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(BBC)   Unlike the example of Somalia, this actually *is* a Libertarian paradise   (news.bbc.co.uk ) divider line
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2010-01-11 03:41:33 PM  
Cool. Move there instead.
 
2010-01-11 03:48:44 PM  
That's great! How soon can all of the Libertarians get there? Do any of them need help packing? Do any of them need a ride to the airport? Just let me know.
 
2010-01-11 03:48:45 PM  
So Libertarians are thieves and counterfeiters who take over existing infrastructure by force?

Sounds about right.
 
wee
2010-01-11 03:56:24 PM  
Sounds like subby doesn't know the difference between libertarian and anarchist.

Nice troll anyway, though.
 
2010-01-11 03:58:37 PM  

wee: Sounds like subby doesn't know the difference between libertarian and anarchist.


My uncle Seamus MacDonald would like to take with you about being a true Scotsman.
 
2010-01-11 04:17:03 PM  

wee: Sounds like subby doesn't know the difference between libertarian and anarchist.

Nice troll anyway, though.


Minarchists never make common cause with the Libertarians. Nope. Nuh-uh. Never happens. No way no no how.
 
2010-01-11 04:21:36 PM  
it's right next to a liberian paradise too
 
wee
2010-01-11 04:30:54 PM  

House of Tards: Minarchists never make common cause with the Libertarians. Nope. Nuh-uh. Never happens. No way no no how.


Calling Ivory Coast a "libertarian paradise" isn't a troll. Nope. Nuh-uh. No way no no how. I mean, seriously, that's pretty blatant. It's as if the subby believes that libertarians want to abolish taxes. Which is, of course, utter nonsense.

Though it's fark, so I probably shouldn't be surprised by ignorance.
 
2010-01-11 04:36:02 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: it's right next to a liberian paradise too


Win.
 
2010-01-11 04:36:49 PM  
Well there's the not paying your utility bills thing. That's probably not very libertarian.
 
2010-01-11 04:37:36 PM  
My name is Andrew Ryan....
 
2010-01-11 04:38:02 PM  
I'm really not sure why people don't like the libertarian ideals. Do you acctually like having money that could be used for your children/loved ones go to a government who will squander it on wars and give it to people who simply can't succeed?

/rockin' the suburbs bish
 
2010-01-11 04:38:49 PM  
The "Somalia is Libertarian" argument has run its course. Ludwig von Mothman's 1997 dissertation on the superior sex life of libertarians has long disproven your claims.
 
2010-01-11 04:39:05 PM  
FTA:
"Things are a lot cheaper than in the south - we see that people from the south often come here to stock up, above all the military who come for all their electronics - mobile phones, DVDs, televisions, everything," he says.

No way, imported goods are cheaper without tariffs and taxes?
I bet all of these things are being manufactured in Bouake, too. That's why everything you buy has the words "Made in the Ivory Coast" on it.
 
2010-01-11 04:39:08 PM  
Wow, a bunch of people working for free to keep the state running, so others can sell pirate goods and make use of infrastructure paid for by taxes.

Some paradise.
 
2010-01-11 04:41:22 PM  

RHMolBio: Do you acctually like having money that could be used for your children/loved ones go to a government who will squander it on wars and give it to people who simply can't succeed?


Ahh, nothing like typical Libertarian arrogance.
 
2010-01-11 04:41:32 PM  
I don't understand. If they're not paying taxes or even for electricity, how are they getting electricity and who's paying for the roads? Does the government pay for their children to learn to read?

RTA, oh wait. They don't have electricity, no one is maintaining the roads, and they're using unqualified volunteers and donations to teach kids. Got it.
 
2010-01-11 04:41:51 PM  

wee: House of Tards: Minarchists never make common cause with the Libertarians. Nope. Nuh-uh. Never happens. No way no no how.

Calling Ivory Coast a "libertarian paradise" isn't a troll. Nope. Nuh-uh. No way no no how. I mean, seriously, that's pretty blatant. It's as if the subby believes that libertarians want to abolish taxes. Which is, of course, utter nonsense.

Though it's fark, so I probably shouldn't be surprised by ignorance.


When libertarians keep going on about how all taxes are theft, taken by force by a tyrannical government backed by violence, it's hard not to get that impression.
 
2010-01-11 04:42:52 PM  

stpickrell: Well there's the not paying your utility bills thing. That's probably not very libertarian.


I think it's because they have no utilities.
 
2010-01-11 04:43:41 PM  

Pincy: RHMolBio: Do you acctually like having money that could be used for your children/loved ones go to a government who will squander it on wars and give it to people who simply can't succeed?


Ahh, nothing like typical Libertarian arrogance.



What is arrogant about keeping what you've earned? No one is advocating ZERO taxes. The gov't needs to learn how to do more with less.

Why do you favor empowering the gov't over the individual?
 
2010-01-11 04:44:03 PM  

Pincy: RHMolBio: Do you acctually like having money that could be used for your children/loved ones go to a government who will squander it on wars and give it to people who simply can't succeed?

Ahh, nothing like typical Libertarian arrogance.


And naivety. I don't know how libertarian conservatives managed to mark liberals as the naive ones about human nature. Libertarianism completely forgets human nature. It's why Doug Stanhope stopped being a libertarian (at least that's the reason he gave on Marc Maron's podcast). He realized that, as cool as a libertarian society sounds, it would never work. People are not smart or knowledgeable enough, and never really could be in modern times, to make a pure market system work. Marketing works too well.
 
2010-01-11 04:45:17 PM  
And there was Freetown Christiana
And the Mexican Zapatistas

/Yes you can be libertarian and anarchist.
/Pierre-Joseph Proudhon who was the first person to identify as an anarchist on paper, famously declared that "property is theft" and anarchist-communist, Joseph Dejauque, could probably not agree more, as these French anarchists had both used the word "libertarian" as a synonym for "anarchist," in 1858.
/Libertarianism used to be linked with anarchism up until recently, the capital L libertarian is really really different. And there's a thing called socialist libertarianism (anarcho-socialism).
/Today in America, Libertarian usually means you're a Goldwater conservative who's too high and edgy to call yourself a Republican because the party is so farking retarded.
 
2010-01-11 04:45:32 PM  
Ivorian? Does that mean light-skinned?
 
2010-01-11 04:47:25 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Ludwig von Mothman's 1997 dissertation on the superior sex life of libertarians has long disproven your claims.


www.aquateencentral.com
 
2010-01-11 04:47:48 PM  

Cagey B: Cool. Move there instead.


Who would you sell all those pizza slices to?
 
2010-01-11 04:48:33 PM  

Phil Herup: Pincy: RHMolBio: Do you acctually like having money that could be used for your children/loved ones go to a government who will squander it on wars and give it to people who simply can't succeed?


Ahh, nothing like typical Libertarian arrogance.


What is arrogant about keeping what you've earned? No one is advocating ZERO taxes. The gov't needs to learn how to do more with less.

Why do you favor empowering the gov't over the individual?


Overly strong government is bad for business and the individual. Overly weak government is bad for business and the individual. The happy middle is the difficult to find spot where you can maximise the benefits to both. Libertarianism often seems uninterested in the happy place, instead worshipping the concept of "as little government as possible" as a good in its own right.
 
2010-01-11 04:49:06 PM  

lincoln65: I bet all of these things are being manufactured in Bouake, too.


There's a place named Bukkake?

/i'll be in my bunk
 
2010-01-11 04:49:19 PM  
yes but can you hunt a grown man?
 
2010-01-11 04:49:38 PM  

Phil Herup: Pincy: RHMolBio: Do you acctually like having money that could be used for your children/loved ones go to a government who will squander it on wars and give it to people who simply can't succeed?


Ahh, nothing like typical Libertarian arrogance.


What is arrogant about keeping what you've earned? No one is advocating ZERO taxes. The gov't needs to learn how to do more with less.

Why do you favor empowering the gov't over the individual?


The arrogance comes from the fact that Libertarians seem to think that any one who needs some assistance in life has some how brought it upon themselves and thus they don't deserve the assistance in the first place. But of course Libertarians would never need any assistance ever because they are so much superior to all those losers out there who can't make ends meet.
 
2010-01-11 04:51:30 PM  

RemyDuron: And naivety. I don't know how libertarian conservatives managed to mark liberals as the naive ones about human nature. Libertarianism completely forgets human nature. It's why Doug Stanhope stopped being a libertarian (at least that's the reason he gave on Marc Maron's podcast). He realized that, as cool as a libertarian society sounds, it would never work. People are not smart or knowledgeable enough, and never really could be in modern times, to make a pure market system work. Marketing works too well.



I love how you are so arrogant you think you know human nature, and it is a good thing you are smart to tell them how to live. Because they are stupid and you know better.


Talk about naive arrogance.
 
2010-01-11 04:53:23 PM  

RemyDuron: wee: House of Tards: Minarchists never make common cause with the Libertarians. Nope. Nuh-uh. Never happens. No way no no how.

Calling Ivory Coast a "libertarian paradise" isn't a troll. Nope. Nuh-uh. No way no no how. I mean, seriously, that's pretty blatant. It's as if the subby believes that libertarians want to abolish taxes. Which is, of course, utter nonsense.

Though it's fark, so I probably shouldn't be surprised by ignorance.

When libertarians keep going on about how all taxes are theft, taken by force by a tyrannical government backed by violence, it's hard not to get that impression.


Anarchists believe all taxation is theft.

Libertarians and minarchists believe that some taxation, like the state, is justifiable. It's only a question of how much.

I know it's easy to confuse those that believe in a small state (libertarians & minarchists) with those that believe in no state (anarchists)....
 
2010-01-11 04:54:07 PM  

Lando Lincoln: That's great! How soon can all of the Libertarians get there?


They can't even hack it in NH because of the cold, you can bet Africa would be more rugged living.
 
2010-01-11 04:54:17 PM  
Forming a union doesn't sound very libertarian to me.
 
2010-01-11 04:57:07 PM  

WTF Indeed: yes but can you hunt a grown man?


One, you lock the target? Two, you bait the line?
 
2010-01-11 05:00:36 PM  
Lull, whatever.
 
2010-01-11 05:01:35 PM  

l0wk3y: RemyDuron: wee: House of Tards: Minarchists never make common cause with the Libertarians. Nope. Nuh-uh. Never happens. No way no no how.

Calling Ivory Coast a "libertarian paradise" isn't a troll. Nope. Nuh-uh. No way no no how. I mean, seriously, that's pretty blatant. It's as if the subby believes that libertarians want to abolish taxes. Which is, of course, utter nonsense.

Though it's fark, so I probably shouldn't be surprised by ignorance.

When libertarians keep going on about how all taxes are theft, taken by force by a tyrannical government backed by violence, it's hard not to get that impression.

Anarchists believe all taxation is theft.

Libertarians and minarchists believe that some taxation, like the state, is justifiable. It's only a question of how much.

I know it's easy to confuse those that believe in a small state (libertarians & minarchists) with those that believe in no state (anarchists)....


Those are good definitions, but they're hardly universally accepted or applied. I've heard the "taxation is theft" line from many self professed libertarians.
 
2010-01-11 05:02:30 PM  

Cagey B: Cool. Move there instead.


we should try it here.
 
2010-01-11 05:03:58 PM  

RemyDuron:
When libertarians keep going on about how all taxes are theft, taken by force by a tyrannical government backed by violence, it's hard not to get that impression.


that's not the libertarians who are saying that. And if i'm not mistaken, i've corrected you (and several others) on that point a number of times now.
 
2010-01-11 05:04:30 PM  

Weaver95: Cagey B: Cool. Move there instead.

we should try it here.


sell a bunch of bootlegged stuff? people already do.
 
2010-01-11 05:04:55 PM  

WTF Indeed: yes but can you hunt a grown man?


www.thebigcritique.com

Approves
 
2010-01-11 05:06:31 PM  

RemyDuron: Those are good definitions, but they're hardly universally accepted or applied. I've heard the "taxation is theft" line from many self professed libertarians.


I've also heard some environmentalists urge 90% of the population to die off (or be killed off) in order to save the planet from global warming. Does that mean that those nutballs speak for ALL environmentalists? Of course not. Don't make the mistake of assuming that one or two lone nutballs define an entire philosophy.
 
2010-01-11 05:06:57 PM  
palelizard: RTA, oh wait. They don't have electricity, no one is maintaining the roads, and they're using unqualified volunteers and donations to teach kids. Got it.

That's why we need Internet Libertarians to go over and start businesses that will do those things. Galt up!
 
2010-01-11 05:08:11 PM  
A summary of the Libertarian Party 2009 platform, from The New York Times:

Fiscal Policy: Very right-libertarian. The Libertarian Party opposes taxation in pretty much all forms, and deals with the revenue loss by opposing entitlement programs in pretty much all forms. This means that people keep more of what they earn, but it also means that there is no social safety net. And ambitious new proposals--such as universal pre-kindergarten and universal health care--are obviously not compatible with this objective.

Corporations: Eliminate all federal subsidies to private corporations, as well as all antitrust laws.

Public Services: Eliminate the Postal Service. Transfer all government services, from public schools to landfills, to private ownership.

Property Rights: Would restrict public domain to immediate public use, and sell or give away most public property to private owners.

Criminal Justice: Would eliminate all antidrug laws and legalize prostitution. Would end random police roadblocks.

Free Speech: Would abolish the FCC and allow private ownership of broadcast frequencies. Opposes all restriction of free speech, including free speech restricted in the name of national security.

Church and State: Calls for reduced IRS regulation and monitoring of tax-exempt churches.

Second Amendment: Strongly opposes all gun control, as well as regulation of alternative weapon technologies (mace, Tasers, and so forth).

The Draft: Calls for the abolition of the Selective Service System and amnesty for any citizen who has ever resisted the draft.

Reproductive Rights: Pro-choice, but opposes all federal funding of abortion and most federal entitlements for women who choose to carry their pregnancies to term, including the child tax credit. Opposes involuntary or fraudulent sterilization.

LGBT Rights: Opposes "don't ask, don't tell." Believes that marriage is a private contract, and should yield no government benefits regardless of the gender of the partners.

Immigrants' Rights: Argues that borders should be open but surveilled--everyone who does not pose a threat to public health or national security should be allowed to enter the country legally. Would eliminate all federal benefits to undocumented immigrants.

That's a far cry from what's going on in Soroland, subby.
 
2010-01-11 05:08:36 PM  

Aarontology: Forming a union doesn't sound very libertarian to me.


Yeah I dunno...it sounds like a giant hippie commune with guns.
 
2010-01-11 05:09:03 PM  

Phil Herup: Pincy: RHMolBio: Do you acctually like having money that could be used for your children/loved ones go to a government who will squander it on wars and give it to people who simply can't succeed?


Ahh, nothing like typical Libertarian arrogance.


What is arrogant about keeping what you've earned? No one is advocating ZERO taxes. The gov't needs to learn how to do more with less.

Why do you favor empowering the gov't over the individual?


Because too many induhviduals think she is the smartest person in politics-
kwillie.com
 
2010-01-11 05:09:30 PM  

Weaver95: I've also heard some environmentalists urge 90% of the population to die off (or be killed off) in order to save the planet from global warming. Does that mean that those nutballs speak for ALL environmentalists? Of course not. Don't make the mistake of assuming that one or two lone nutballs define an entire philosophy.


I always enjoy when people on good ole Fark.com advocate culling the population substantially. Of course, they want other people to die. Not themselves or their family. Because they're special.
 
2010-01-11 05:09:51 PM  

l0wk3y: I know it's easy to confuse those that believe in a small state (libertarians & minarchists) with those that believe in no state (anarchists)....


Minarchism's ultimate ends are, as we can see, in keeping with the political, social and economic ideals of most libertarians, and as a result minarchism tends to be classified as a libertarian ideology. However, that is not to say that it has found universal support even amongst that particular ideology. Many "hard core" libertarians, for example - believing that any form of taxation is theft - see the fact that a minarchist government must still tax its citizens as an act of coercion, meaning minarchism can never be justified.

An introduction to minarchism (new window)
 
2010-01-11 05:11:05 PM  

badLogic: Because too many induhviduals think she is the smartest person in politics-


You're right. A few people like a retarded politician. So that means we should be taxed at 90%. Makes perfect sense.
 
2010-01-11 05:11:50 PM  

Pincy:
The arrogance comes from the fact that Libertarians seem to think that any one who needs some assistance in life has some how brought it upon themselves and thus they don't deserve the assistance in the first place. But of course Libertarians would never need any assistance ever because they are so much superior to all those losers out there who can't make ends meet.


Libertarians, and Minarchists do not believe that no one should ever get or may need assistance. They believe that the government is an insanely inefficient way to provide that aid. They believe that private groups (i.e. your church, etc) can and do provide that aid far better than government ever will.

The false stereotype that libertarians don't care about their fellow human beings makes about as much sense as Palin talking about Death-Panels.

But hey ignore the facts for good sound-bites. It's what all the trolls do.
 
2010-01-11 05:11:56 PM  

RemyDuron: When libertarians keep going on about how all taxes are theft, taken by force by a tyrannical government backed by violence, it's hard not to get that impression.


This. If you think there should be some taxes, saying taxes are "theft of private property" is a bad way to argue for that.
 
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