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(CNBC)   Health care bill is "holding on by a thread". Cheap woven thread like the insurance companies want you to use instead of good medical quality stitching thread   (cnbc.com) divider line 189
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2010-01-11 01:23:32 PM  
i've said all along that the only people who will be happy with this 'reform' are going to be the insurance companies. the rest of us are gonna get screwed.
 
2010-01-11 01:24:45 PM  
Health care bill is "holding on by a thread". Cheap woven thread like the insurance companies want you to use instead of good medical quality stitching thread, the money to pay for which will drop softly and generously from heaven as manna did from God, as long as you have hope.

fixed+
 
2010-01-11 01:28:41 PM  
Weaver95: i've said all along that the only people who will be happy with this 'reform' are going to be the insurance companies. the rest of us are gonna get screwed.

I don't see it passing as long as Nebraska is getting a free pass. 49 state governors are going to say, "fark that".
 
2010-01-11 01:28:59 PM  
So is today a "health care reform is doomed" day? It gets confusing keeping track.
 
2010-01-11 01:37:17 PM  
Aarontology: So is today a "health care reform is doomed" day? It gets confusing keeping track.

It's been doomed from the start.
 
2010-01-11 01:42:06 PM  
Aarontology: So is today a "health care reform is doomed" day? It gets confusing keeping track.

Here's a rule of thumb: Days ending with a "y" are "health care reform is doomed" days.
 
2010-01-11 01:45:22 PM  
chemical_angel: Aarontology: So is today a "health care reform is doomed" day? It gets confusing keeping track.

It's been doomed from the start.


pretty much, yes.
 
2010-01-11 01:47:08 PM  
chemical_angel: Aarontology: So is today a "health care reform is doomed" day? It gets confusing keeping track.

It's been doomed from the start.


No. We've been doomed. The passage of a feel good bill was guaranteed with the election of Obama. Real reform was never an option.
 
2010-01-11 01:48:12 PM  
I_C_Weener: Real reform was never an option.

I liked how the reform bill betrayed the unions. that alone was worth the price of admission.
 
2010-01-11 01:50:00 PM  
one or two votes could determine the outcome of the heavily-debated bill

This is a repeat from the entire process. It was hanging by a thread when it got out of committee. It was hanging by a thread when it got through the House. It was hanging by a thread when it passed the Senate. But the doomsayers think this time it fails.
 
2010-01-11 01:50:17 PM  
GaryPDX: Weaver95: i've said all along that the only people who will be happy with this 'reform' are going to be the insurance companies. the rest of us are gonna get screwed.

I don't see it passing as long as Nebraska is getting a free pass. 49 state governors are going to say, "fark that".


49 state governors are not Senators.
 
2010-01-11 01:51:08 PM  
feckingmorons: GaryPDX: Weaver95: i've said all along that the only people who will be happy with this 'reform' are going to be the insurance companies. the rest of us are gonna get screwed.

I don't see it passing as long as Nebraska is getting a free pass. 49 state governors are going to say, "fark that".

49 state governors are not Senators.


True...but state governors can make life uncomfortable for a Senator if they wanted to do so.
 
2010-01-11 01:55:49 PM  
HEALTH REFORM IS OBAMA'S WATERLOO

Copenhagen is his Little Big Horn
The "stimulus" is his Vietnam
The economy is his Alamo
And his handling of terrorists is his charge of the Light Brigade
 
2010-01-11 02:00:56 PM  
Il Douchey: HEALTH REFORM IS OBAMA'S WATERLOO

Ooh, more tired historical references. You gonna try to get a some kind of slavery comment in there too? I guess it's hard to do so when there isn't a single famous historical event to use. Maybe you want to try for Harper's Ferry, or the Missouri Compromise next?
 
2010-01-11 02:01:01 PM  
I have a pair of scissors right here and I would love to cut that thread.

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/billco/Fark/scissors-and-thread.jpg
 
2010-01-11 02:02:06 PM  
Preview is your friend.

www.majhost.com
 
2010-01-11 02:26:18 PM  
GAT_00: Ooh, more tired historical references. You gonna try to get a some kind of slavery comment in there too?

Slavery?!?! God, it's always about race with you people, isn't it? Here I am giving fine commentary on Obama's many various failures and you have to bring that up. Well, I for one refuse to engage in this negro dialect. Our president is clean, he's articulate...it's storybook man. So you take your slavery fetish, your grape soda jokes, your affirmative action and your reparations and shove them right up your rascist butt. We are a post-racial, tolerant society now, and we have no need for you and your type.
 
2010-01-11 02:33:07 PM  
Insurance companies prefer staples.
 
2010-01-11 02:37:42 PM  
Il Douchey: HEALTH REFORM IS OBAMA'S WATERLOO

Copenhagen is his Little Big Horn
The "stimulus" is his Vietnam
The economy is his Alamo
And his handling of terrorists is his charge of the Light Brigade


Wrong- its his Katrinagate
 
2010-01-11 02:41:27 PM  
Yeah, this smacks more of Lou Holtz talking up a cupcake on the schedule when he was still head coach at Notre Dame in hopes poll voters would think it was impressive when the Irish inevitably won.
 
2010-01-11 02:42:11 PM  
Il Douchey: And his handling of terrorists is his charge of the Light Brigade

The Light Brigade actually managed to kill a few of their enemies.
 
2010-01-11 02:46:39 PM  
You can thank all of Congress AND Obama for allowing the insurance lobbyists to turn healthcare reform into a joke. With that much money getting spent on bribes (hundreds of millions), there was no way anything was going to change for the better.
 
2010-01-11 02:57:48 PM  
chemical_angel: Aarontology: So is today a "health care reform is doomed" day? It gets confusing keeping track.

It's been doomed from the start.


Yup.

Is health reform necessary? Yes. But this bill is as useless as a eunuch in a whorehouse. Without a public option and without a meaningful way of reducing heal care costs, it's just a 900+ page piece of shiat.
 
2010-01-11 03:35:59 PM  
This bill is bullsh*t. We compromised ourselves into a turd that is nothing but yet another hand out to the insurance companies.

I mostly blame the Democrats for starting out with a spineless bill and removing whatever other bones someone who shouldn't matter decided to pick along the way.

I'd say vote them out, but the alternative is the T-baglicans, and that's just no good at all.
 
2010-01-11 03:41:08 PM  
chemical_angel: Aarontology: So is today a "health care reform is doomed" day? It gets confusing keeping track.

It's been doomed from the start.


Once they shelved "Universal Health Care" yep.

Everyone knows UHC is the best solution. It's just ideologically impure.
 
2010-01-11 03:42:02 PM  
Calmamity: This bill is bullsh*t. We compromised ourselves into a turd that is nothing but yet another hand out to the insurance companies.

I mostly blame the Democrats for starting out with a spineless bill and removing whatever other bones someone who shouldn't matter decided to pick along the way.

I'd say vote them out, but the alternative is the T-baglicans, and that's just no good at all.


I say we should try, just for six years, a law that says that all legislators must be former comedians.
 
2010-01-11 03:42:09 PM  
Calmamity: This bill is bullsh*t. We compromised ourselves into a turd that is nothing but yet another hand out to the insurance companies.

I mostly blame the Democrats for starting out with a spineless bill and removing whatever other bones someone who shouldn't matter decided to pick along the way.

I'd say vote them out, but the alternative is the T-baglicans, and that's just no good at all.


It would be nice to have a liberal party as opposed to a conservative party and a super-conservative wacko idiot party.
 
2010-01-11 03:42:30 PM  
Ya know a lot of us agree this bill is bullshiat. Write your Congressmen.women and Senators. Seriously, Having Nancy Pelosi DICTATE how and what will be voted for is just asinine. All this has done is make me think Nancy Pelosi is evil. Really truelly evil.
 
2010-01-11 03:43:47 PM  
Was the thread made of muslin?
 
2010-01-11 03:44:14 PM  
Health insurance must be made NON-PROFIT in order for any long-term public health plan to work.
 
2010-01-11 03:44:25 PM  
when you say doomed do you mean will be passed eventually
 
2010-01-11 03:44:31 PM  
We can only hope...
 
2010-01-11 03:44:45 PM  
Il Douchey: GAT_00: Ooh, more tired historical references. You gonna try to get a some kind of slavery comment in there too?

Slavery?!?! God, it's always about race with you people,




What do you mean "You People"?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

/anyhow...I hope this farce they call "reform" dies a quick death.
 
2010-01-11 03:47:17 PM  
Weigard: Calmamity: This bill is bullsh*t. We compromised ourselves into a turd that is nothing but yet another hand out to the insurance companies.

I mostly blame the Democrats for starting out with a spineless bill and removing whatever other bones someone who shouldn't matter decided to pick along the way.

I'd say vote them out, but the alternative is the T-baglicans, and that's just no good at all.

I say we should try, just for six years, a law that says that all legislators must be former comedians.


Seconded!
 
2010-01-11 03:48:03 PM  
Hope so, my taxes are bad enough as it is. It is funny how Obama lies repeatedly and people still defend him as the Savior. he said point blank in his campaign health care debate would be open to the public and he would bring in C-SPAN. Well, C-SPAN has tried over and over to be allowed to cover it and the White House says nope. Not only that, they won't even allow normal debate within the government, Democrats only, and behind closed doors.

Costs were never even addressed, how the Hell can anyone, Pub or Tard get behind a bill that does not even combat the symptoms, let alone the cause of the health care problem?

Everyone I know wants health care to be affordable and accessible. Not one single person I know thinks it should be handed out free of charge to the poor and paid for only by the middle and upper class. That is what the bill will do. Remember, the "Cadillac" plan tax will hit middle class people. 95% of those plans are carried by families making less than 250k, 50% of them under 100k. I seem to remember Bam Bam saying he would not increase taxes on that group, odd huh?

And someone mentioned the unions, that makes me giggle. Unions get Democrats elected, why on Earth would they crap on em?
 
2010-01-11 03:48:08 PM  
Desmo: Health insurance must be made NON-PROFIT in order for any long-term public health plan to work.

This. NP doesn't mean money isn't being made, just generally reduces craziness or evilness.

/works at a NP
 
2010-01-11 03:48:20 PM  
Can someone explain the point of the healthcare bill if there isn't a public option?

/not joking
 
2010-01-11 03:48:46 PM  
instead of a thread they should have used a lock of superman's hair
 
2010-01-11 03:48:51 PM  
There are certainly a lot of misconceptions in this thread. I don't know if it's even worth my time to correct them.

In any case, the bill is going to pass, the fervor will die down, and we'll look back in a few years and see it was a good thing to do and get to work on making it better.
 
2010-01-11 03:50:35 PM  
ThusSpokeKayvon: Can someone explain the point of the healthcare bill if there isn't a public option?

/not joking


Buying insurance across statelines and in an open market. I do not want a public option. I want a free market option.
 
2010-01-11 03:51:03 PM  
angry_scientist: Desmo: Health insurance must be made NON-PROFIT in order for any long-term public health plan to work.

This. NP doesn't mean money isn't being made, just generally reduces craziness or evilness.

/works at a NP


It also means there will be no private investment and research would grind to a halt. Remember, much of the development costs of the drugs (and treatments) we are so addicted to are born by the American drug companies and colleges which depend heavily on private money as well.
 
2010-01-11 03:52:15 PM  
ThusSpokeKayvon: Can someone explain the point of the healthcare bill if there isn't a public option?

/not joking


Gotta do it in steps. The public option will arrive at some point, but if you demand all or nothing you run the risk of getting nothing.
 
2010-01-11 03:52:49 PM  
ThusSpokeKayvon: Can someone explain the point of the healthcare bill if there isn't a public option?

/not joking


Hey, an actual question.

The point of the bill is to provide coverage to 31 million people that currently don't have it, while bending the long-term cost curve and ending abusive insurance industry practices. The public option, while a very good thing, would have only covered 4 million, and the bill with the public option still only covered 31 million new people. The months of frenzied debate morphed the public option into this ideological line in the sand. Its removal pissed off a lot of progressives but didn't change much at all about the actual effect of the bill. Those saying it would have are either delusional, ignorant, or intentionally deceptive.
 
2010-01-11 03:53:03 PM  
Racht: There are certainly a lot of misconceptions in this thread. I don't know if it's even worth my time to correct them.

In any case, the bill is going to pass, the fervor will die down, and we'll look back in a few years and see it was a good thing to do and get to work on making it better.


Well, except not a single study by anyone, including the CBO has come to the conclusion it will do much more than raise the deficit to throw some bones to lazy bums. Other than that, ya, it is awesome. I can't wait until the IRS is in charge of enforcing health care compliance, they are such a great bunch of people to do business with, yay!
 
2010-01-11 03:54:31 PM  
Thunderpipes: angry_scientist: Desmo: Health insurance must be made NON-PROFIT in order for any long-term public health plan to work.

This. NP doesn't mean money isn't being made, just generally reduces craziness or evilness.

/works at a NP

It also means there will be no private investment and research would grind to a halt.


No it doesn't, that's absurd.
 
2010-01-11 03:54:34 PM  
basemetal: Insurance companies Lazy ass doctors prefer staples.

Fixed.
 
2010-01-11 03:55:31 PM  
You've died how many times? Good God, just shell out for a strategy guide.
 
2010-01-11 03:55:32 PM  
Desmo: Health insurance must be made NON-PROFIT in order for any long-term public health plan to work.

Non-Profit is just a method of keeping the books. It can be gamed just as easily. I could set up a non-profit, rake in millions and pay myself (admin salary) and all my contractor buddies (expenses) large sums of money. As long as I balance the ledger to zero, I'm a non profit.

Do some learnin, I know it's hard sometimes, but it's good for you.
 
2010-01-11 03:56:05 PM  
Racht: ThusSpokeKayvon: Can someone explain the point of the healthcare bill if there isn't a public option?

/not joking

Hey, an actual question.

The point of the bill is to provide coverage to 31 million people that currently don't have it, while bending the long-term cost curve and ending abusive insurance industry practices. The public option, while a very good thing, would have only covered 4 million, and the bill with the public option still only covered 31 million new people. The months of frenzied debate morphed the public option into this ideological line in the sand. Its removal pissed off a lot of progressives but didn't change much at all about the actual effect of the bill. Those saying it would have are either delusional, ignorant, or intentionally deceptive.


Is providing the same as forcing them to pay?
 
2010-01-11 03:56:56 PM  
Thunderpipes:
Well, except not a single study by anyone, including the CBO has come to the conclusion it will do much more than raise the deficit to throw some bones to lazy bums.


The CBO, as well as every other study, says that this bill will lower the deficit. You're blatantly lying. Oh, and I love your characterization of the tens of millions of people who either can't afford or can't get health insurance as "lazy bums". Why don't they just get off their butts and work harder, right?
 
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