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2010-01-09 11:07:00 AM
And I can't think of a more mainstream adaptation of the genre than that new Star Trek reboot.
 
2010-01-09 12:18:18 PM
Science fiction- like An Inconvenient Truth?
 
2010-01-09 12:27:15 PM
You fools! Next they'll be accepting *gasp* comedy and animation!
 
2010-01-09 12:33:55 PM
Noooooooooooooooooooo! First they came for computers, then they came for video games, now sci-fi? It's getting tough to be a hard-core nerd these days.
 
2010-01-09 12:33:59 PM
Call me when one of them wins something other than 'Technical Direction' or some other BS.
 
2010-01-09 12:37:09 PM
The thing of it is that even "realistic" drama is taking on elements that would have been entirely the realm of science fiction not long ago. Science fiction is becoming more "mainstream" because it seems to actually be reflecting what is going on with our lives now.
 
2010-01-09 12:39:49 PM
So now that Sci-fi is mainstream and lots of people like it, I guess Farkers have to hate it.
 
2010-01-09 12:40:29 PM
Superjew: Noooooooooooooooooooo! First they came for computers, then they came for video games, now sci-fi? It's getting tough to be a hard-core nerd these days.

Not really.

See, everybody loves (for example) Spider-Man and Iron Man.

But ask 'em what's going on in the comics these days. Most of 'em will have no answer. They wouldn't touch a comic book if you paid 'em. All they like are the shallow, shiny big screen interpretations of sci-fi and comics.

It's still possible to be a geek.
 
2010-01-09 12:42:00 PM
You got it backwards. We're recruiting them into geekdom.

If you like sci-fi, you're a geek (subtype: sci-fi geek). If you like video games, you're a geek (subtype: gamer). It is now cool to be a geek.

Look at the sports geeks. Is being able to rattle off countless players' stats all that different from being able to rattle off the abilities of every starfighter in the Star Wars universe?

Yes, I just called jocks "sports geeks." Because that's what they ARE. Obsessive fans of something, to the point of memorizing details most non-fans would regard as purely useless information. On occasion, dressing up as their heroes. Spending a lot of money to continue the hobby. THIS! IS! GEEKDOM!
 
2010-01-09 12:48:17 PM
Good. A lot of the best movies this year were sci-fi.
 
2010-01-09 12:50:46 PM
How much CGI was in "Up in the Air"? None I say.
/Grab some bench Clooney.
 
2010-01-09 12:58:22 PM
FirstNationalBastard: But ask 'em what's going on in the comics these days. Most of 'em will have no answer. They wouldn't touch a comic book if you paid 'em. All they like are the shallow, shiny big screen interpretations of sci-fi and comics.

You'd have to pay me, considering that they're what, $4 each now?

Besides, the last time I touched a comic it was to get screwed by the endings to Civil war and Cable & Deadpool. I'd rather safely wait a year or more to find out what the best stuff is and just read that.
 
2010-01-09 01:05:54 PM
Science Fiction has been a bit stagnant for about 50 years now.

The best Sci Fi movies are being adapted from novels written in the 1950s and 60s.

I look forward to some new ideas in Sci Fi, hopefully that comes with a renewed interest in science.
 
2010-01-09 01:10:40 PM
DamnYankees: Good. A lot of the best movies this year were sci-fi.
 
MIU
2010-01-09 01:19:46 PM
DevideByZer0: Science Fiction has been a bit stagnant for about 50 years now.

The best Sci Fi movies are being adapted from novels written in the 1950s and 60s.

I look forward to some new ideas in Sci Fi, hopefully that comes with a renewed interest in science.


Did you somehow miss District 9 this year?
 
2010-01-09 01:31:02 PM
MIU: DevideByZer0: Science Fiction has been a bit stagnant for about 50 years now.

The best Sci Fi movies are being adapted from novels written in the 1950s and 60s.

I look forward to some new ideas in Sci Fi, hopefully that comes with a renewed interest in science.

Did you somehow miss District 9 this year?


It was better when it was "Alien Nation".
 
2010-01-09 01:33:57 PM
So is this the part where we care about the Oscars until the actual awards ceremony when the movies we want to win lose, when we then say the Oscars don't mean shiat?
 
2010-01-09 01:35:54 PM
DevideByZer0: Science Fiction has been a bit stagnant for about 50 years now.

The best Sci Fi movies are being adapted from novels written in the 1950s and 60s.

I look forward to some new ideas in Sci Fi, hopefully that comes with a renewed interest in science.


WTF? Just because you don't read it, that doesn't mean it isn't there. Cyteen, Ender's Game, The Book of the New Sun, Old Man's War, Doomsday Book and anything by Vernor Vinge bed to disagree with you.
 
2010-01-09 01:40:06 PM
Imagine when Stephanie Meyer decides to move from vampires to something sci-fi.... Her next book will feature an alien who a young awkward girl madly falls in love with.
However that sounds familair....

www.guidetoliteraryagents.com
 
MIU
2010-01-09 01:40:09 PM
SphericalTime: WTF? Just because you don't read it, that doesn't mean it isn't there. Cyteen, Ender's Game, The Book of the New Sun, Old Man's War, Doomsday Book and anything by Vernor Vinge bed to disagree with you.

Agreed - there's lots of great stuff if you know where to look.

A friend of mine reads a ton of sci fi, has a small review site and everything so he gets all sorts of free stuff sent to him to review. I let him slog through it and read the best ones he picks out. Haven't been disappointed much.
 
2010-01-09 01:42:11 PM
MIU: A friend of mine reads a ton of sci fi, has a small review site and everything so he gets all sorts of free stuff sent to him to review. I let him slog through it and read the best ones he picks out. Haven't been disappointed much.

Heh, I do that for my friends. I should start a blog and get free stuff sent to me. I already don't buy much new because I'd wreck my budget that way. Good thing there's some good used bookstores near me.
 
MIU
2010-01-09 01:47:00 PM
SphericalTime: Heh, I do that for my friends. I should start a blog and get free stuff sent to me. I already don't buy much new because I'd wreck my budget that way. Good thing there's some good used bookstores near me.

You should, seriously. You'd be amazed at what you can get with even a small-scale blog. Granted, much of what he does get is complete crap apparently.

I've always relied on references from friends for reading material, it has long been the most reliable way to find new stuff worth reading. Part of the reason I buy books at all, usually ones I've read and greatly enjoyed, is to lend it to other people for the same purpose.

In many ways, a blog (or even a newspaper review, etc) is an extension of that, in that you're assuming a position of trust wrt your tastes.
 
2010-01-09 01:54:45 PM
Sparkimus Prime: MIU: DevideByZer0: Science Fiction has been a bit stagnant for about 50 years now.

The best Sci Fi movies are being adapted from novels written in the 1950s and 60s.

I look forward to some new ideas in Sci Fi, hopefully that comes with a renewed interest in science.

Did you somehow miss District 9 this year?

It was better when it was "Alien Nation".


Wow, In that one reply I can tell you've not only not seen district 9, you haven't seen Alien Nation either.
 
2010-01-09 02:09:37 PM
There was a golden age in Sci Fi that spawned a lot of original ideas and technology. There is a lot of good Sci Fi being written now, but it hasn't gone too much further than what was imagined in the golden age of Sci Fi.

Phillip K. Dick was writing about concepts that 50 years ago would have been considered inconceivable.

District 9 was a great movie, about Apartheid, as played by humans and aliens instead of whites and blacks. There was Sci Fi in it, but it wasn't anything we haven't seen before.

I'm optimistically saying that Sci Fi is due for another period of groundbreaking innovation based on what's been learned in the last 50 years in science.
 
2010-01-09 02:15:35 PM
Star Wars + home video + years of kids watching movies over and over = mainstream scifi.
 
2010-01-09 02:34:04 PM
DevideByZer0: There was a golden age in Sci Fi that spawned a lot of original ideas and technology. There is a lot of good Sci Fi being written now, but it hasn't gone too much further than what was imagined in the golden age of Sci Fi.

Phillip K. Dick was writing about concepts that 50 years ago would have been considered inconceivable.

District 9 was a great movie, about Apartheid, as played by humans and aliens instead of whites and blacks. There was Sci Fi in it, but it wasn't anything we haven't seen before.

I'm optimistically saying that Sci Fi is due for another period of groundbreaking innovation based on what's been learned in the last 50 years in science.


Sci-fi is about putting the human condition to the test in hypothetical situations.. i.e.. what if? District 9 qualifies. So do the space operas.
 
2010-01-09 02:44:33 PM
DevideByZer0: There was a golden age in Sci Fi that spawned a lot of original ideas and technology. There is a lot of good Sci Fi being written now, but it hasn't gone too much further than what was imagined in the golden age of Sci Fi.

Phillip K. Dick was writing about concepts that 50 years ago would have been considered inconceivable.

District 9 was a great movie, about Apartheid, as played by humans and aliens instead of whites and blacks. There was Sci Fi in it, but it wasn't anything we haven't seen before.

I'm optimistically saying that Sci Fi is due for another period of groundbreaking innovation based on what's been learned in the last 50 years in science.


Again, if you think that there isn't groundbreaking science fiction being written right now and for the last ten years that's a fault with you, not with the field.

/Go buy Makers or Snow Crash
//or Kirinyaga or China Mountain Zhang
///or Bellwether or Uglies or City of Pearl
 
2010-01-09 02:47:03 PM
SphericalTime: DevideByZer0: There was a golden age in Sci Fi that spawned a lot of original ideas and technology. There is a lot of good Sci Fi being written now, but it hasn't gone too much further than what was imagined in the golden age of Sci Fi.

Phillip K. Dick was writing about concepts that 50 years ago would have been considered inconceivable.

District 9 was a great movie, about Apartheid, as played by humans and aliens instead of whites and blacks. There was Sci Fi in it, but it wasn't anything we haven't seen before.

I'm optimistically saying that Sci Fi is due for another period of groundbreaking innovation based on what's been learned in the last 50 years in science.

Again, if you think that there isn't groundbreaking science fiction being written right now and for the last ten years that's a fault with you, not with the field.

/Go buy Makers or Snow Crash
//or Kirinyaga or China Mountain Zhang
///or Bellwether or Uglies or City of Pearl


If you count Anime, Ghost int he shell: Stand alone complex (cyberpunk), Dennou Coil (augmented reality) are good choices dealing with interesting issues.
 
MIU
2010-01-09 02:52:33 PM
SphericalTime: /Go buy Makers or Snow Crash

Snow Crash is a great book, but I've long though Diamond Age was far more interesting, and far more 'out there' in terms of the ideas explored.
 
2010-01-09 02:59:01 PM
DevideByZer0: District 9 was a great movie, about Apartheid, as played by humans and aliens instead of whites and blacks. There was Sci Fi in it, but it wasn't anything we haven't seen before.

I love how people cream themselves over liking "District 9," and they don't even realize that it is a blatant ripoff of "Alien Nation."
 
2010-01-09 03:00:57 PM
DevideByZer0:
I'm optimistically saying that Sci Fi is due for another period of groundbreaking innovation based on what's been learned in the last 50 years in science.


Sci-Fi is more than about technology and science.
 
2010-01-09 03:03:02 PM
thornhill: DevideByZer0: District 9 was a great movie, about Apartheid, as played by humans and aliens instead of whites and blacks. There was Sci Fi in it, but it wasn't anything we haven't seen before.

I love how people cream themselves over liking "District 9," and they don't even realize that it is a blatant ripoff of "Alien Nation."


And why should that matter? Do you realize how many stories can be considered 'blatant ripoff' of Shakespeare?
 
2010-01-09 03:05:07 PM
MIU: SphericalTime: /Go buy Makers or Snow Crash

Snow Crash is a great book, but I've long though Diamond Age was far more interesting, and far more 'out there' in terms of the ideas explored.


I suspect I was too young to read Diamond Age when I did. A lot of the more, shall we say, "adult" themes were lost on me. I enjoyed Snow Crash a lot more when I read it last year.

Also, Accelerando by Stross. I can't believe I forgot that in my list. Lots of mindbending technological expansion and foresight in that book, although I still prefer Rainbow's End.
 
2010-01-09 03:13:28 PM
Geeks have ALWAYS been ahead of the curve on these things.
30 years ago if you owned a personal computer, you were a geek. Now if you don't own a computer you're weird.

Video games were originally played by nerds. Now, how many girls do you know that squeal at the thought of playing Wii?

Science fiction, monsters, and vampires have traditionally been for geeks. Know any hot girls that are crazy about Twilight or willingly saw Avatar?

Yep...
 
2010-01-09 03:17:31 PM
I am still waiting for/dreading the day when Hollywood "discovers" Jack Vance; The TV series Deadwood laid the groundwork for acceptance of the oddly stilted language in a drama, which would be the main stumbling block to realizing a Vance film, now all that's needed is a Peter Jackson type to do the "vision-thing".
 
MIU
2010-01-09 03:52:59 PM
SphericalTime: I suspect I was too young to read Diamond Age when I did. A lot of the more, shall we say, "adult" themes were lost on me. I enjoyed Snow Crash a lot more when I read it last year.

I read it when I was 17, been meaning to re-read for a long time. Would probably get more out of it as well.


Also, Accelerando by Stross. I can't believe I forgot that in my list. Lots of mindbending technological expansion and foresight in that book, although I still prefer Rainbow's End.


Haven't heard of either of those, thanks, will look into them.

Have you read "Spin" or the Hyperion series?
 
2010-01-09 04:11:10 PM
moralpanic: thornhill: DevideByZer0: District 9 was a great movie, about Apartheid, as played by humans and aliens instead of whites and blacks. There was Sci Fi in it, but it wasn't anything we haven't seen before.

I love how people cream themselves over liking "District 9," and they don't even realize that it is a blatant ripoff of "Alien Nation."

And why should that matter?


Because people are praising it for being original.
 
2010-01-09 04:55:15 PM
moralpanic: Sci-Fi is more than about technology and science.

Well, I realize that, but when I say the technology has been somewhat stagnant I mean that the technology has been somewhat stagnant.

Not in terms of new Sci Fi being written, but definitely in terms of what is seen in movies or on TV.

That has more to do with Hollywood being lazy than anything else. Hollywood loves nothing more than a formula than is proven to work. Hollywood will stick with that formula indefinitely if it makes money. That doesn't make for daring Sci Fi, it makes for bankable storylines with familiar elements.
 
2010-01-09 05:17:42 PM
I really feel for people who can write dialogue that stands on its own. I wish every movie script was polished in reader's theatre.

/i understand film is a sensory experience but boom-crash-flash-boom-flash-rattle-rattle-boom-flash doesn't cover terrible story lines, thin characters and sharpened dialogue.
 
2010-01-09 05:54:43 PM
MIU: Have you read "Spin" or the Hyperion series?

Yup. I didn't like Axis as much as Spin but Spin was good. There will be another one, Vortex, which hasn't been announced yet but is obviously in the works. Someone once told me that they should call it the "Spin Cycle" which gives me a chuckle whenever they come up.

Love the Hyperion Cantos and the Endymion duo. Dan Simmons was one of my trio of super-favorite writers for years because of them but he's slipped because: 1) Ilium and Olympos were merely okay and 2) he blew me off a few years ago when I asked if he would answer a few written questions over email.

Current favorite authors are Michelle Sagara "West," Steven Brust, and Connie Willis with Vernor Vinge nipping at all of their heels. As a science fiction fan, I'd recommend "To Say Nothing of the Dog" by Willis and "Rainbow's End" by Vinge.
 
2010-01-09 06:11:40 PM
Saborlas:

Yes, I just called jocks "sports geeks." Because that's what they ARE. Obsessive fans of something, to the point of memorizing details most non-fans would regard as purely useless information. On occasion, dressing up as their heroes. Sp


never thought of it as 'cosplay' to wear a jersey, thats funny
 
2010-01-09 06:28:42 PM
thornhill: I love how people cream themselves over liking "District 9," and they don't even realize that it is a blatant ripoff of "Alien Nation."

Alien Nation was a thinly veiled critique on the American politics in the drug culture. the aliens were humanoid and easily assimilated.

District 9 was a satire about war mongers and military arms dealers set in an apartheid like world. the aliens are bugs

have you ever even seen Alien Nation?
 
2010-01-09 06:54:50 PM
"becoming"?

Sci-Fi films and TV, for good or ill, have been popular for decades. Ever heard of Star wars? 2001 a space oddessy? Lost?

These weren't obscure cult hits people...
 
2010-01-09 07:01:08 PM
Bill Frist: "becoming"?

Sci-Fi films and TV, for good or ill, have been popular for decades. Ever heard of Star wars? 2001 a space oddessy? Lost?

These weren't obscure cult hits people...


I felt I cut this a little short so let me flesh it out more:

ET, Jurassic Park, Star Trek: TNG (it is geeky to be a trekkie, but Star Trek was pretty mainstream, at least with TNG), X-Files, The Twilight Zone, Terminator/Terminator 2, etc.

Sci-Fi has been mainstream as long as any farkers have been alive.
 
2010-01-09 08:12:09 PM
Bill Frist:
Sci-Fi has been mainstream as long as any farkers have been alive.

I actually came here to say "Becomming?"

So I completely agree with your primary point, but I AM a farker -- and I was born in 1956 -- SF was definitely not mainstream in the early '70s, much less the early 60's (saw my first SF section of a bookstore in '70 at age 14, it was still possible to read every SF book ever written)

/and GET THE HELL OFF MY LAWN
 
2010-01-09 08:24:11 PM
true, I should have said "most farkers"
 
MIU
2010-01-09 08:52:55 PM
SphericalTime: Yup. I didn't like Axis as much as Spin but Spin was good. There will be another one, Vortex, which hasn't been announced yet but is obviously in the works. Someone once told me that they should call it the "Spin Cycle" which gives me a chuckle whenever they come up.

Love the Hyperion Cantos and the Endymion duo. Dan Simmons was one of my trio of super-favorite writers for years because of them but he's slipped because: 1) Ilium and Olympos were merely okay and 2) he blew me off a few years ago when I asked if he would answer a few written questions over email.

Current favorite authors are Michelle Sagara "West," Steven Brust, and Connie Willis with Vernor Vinge nipping at all of their heels. As a science fiction fan, I'd recommend "To Say Nothing of the Dog" by Willis and "Rainbow's End" by Vinge.


Haven't read Axis yet, but heard it wasn't as good as spin. Will probably read it anyway.

Thanks for the references btw, they've all been noted for future reading.
 
2010-01-09 11:39:53 PM
...

Ok, The Dark Knight didn't get nominated, but Star Trek did? The fark.
 
2010-01-10 12:12:35 AM
MIU: Haven't read Axis yet, but heard it wasn't as good as spin. Will probably read it anyway.

Thanks for the references btw, they've all been noted for future reading.


Too tell you the truth, I've gotten a lot of good movie recommendations from Fark, so cheers. I hope you like something that I've said. :)
 
2010-01-11 03:37:36 AM
SphericalTime: MIU: Have you read "Spin" or the Hyperion series?

Yup. I didn't like Axis as much as Spin but Spin was good. There will be another one, Vortex, which hasn't been announced yet but is obviously in the works. Someone once told me that they should call it the "Spin Cycle" which gives me a chuckle whenever they come up.

Love the Hyperion Cantos and the Endymion duo. Dan Simmons was one of my trio of super-favorite writers for years because of them but he's slipped because: 1) Ilium and Olympos were merely okay and 2) he blew me off a few years ago when I asked if he would answer a few written questions over email.


I picked up Spin at Border's basically blindly, and was really surprised at how good it was. Then I read Axis and was disappointed, because it went nowhere and didn't really expand on the first novel. The first two Hyperion books are great but the Endymion books were pretty meh for me. Speaking of recommendations from fark, I picked up Alastair Reynolds and was kind of disappointed. I just did not like Revelation Space series. Absolution Gap especially, which was just too much like the Endymion books, which I also disliked. However, Century Rain by him was great, and I wish he would make a sequel to that. I'm thinking I'll try Iain M Banks, as I've seen his name bandied about around here.

/Though it's kind of schlocky, I recently really enjoyed "Implied Spaces" by Walter Jon Williams
//Mostly because there's a point where the opposing sides start using entire universes(!) as weapons
 
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