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2010-01-09 02:37:37 AM
Yeah, you know. I don't think qualifying for Welfare is worth spending 1 year in prison.

/Ask me again after I get laid off
 
2010-01-09 02:42:05 AM
Norway actually has a very progressive rehabilitation system. try looking in to it before submitting a fail of your own.
 
2010-01-09 02:43:15 AM
but in norway, you get those things no matter what. subby's point = fail.
 
2010-01-09 02:43:25 AM
$80 a month for three years in prison? na. I'll pass.
 
2010-01-09 02:44:08 AM
It is a well known FACT that Sandals Resort is a Norweigian penal colony!
 
2010-01-09 02:45:49 AM
On the other hand, there are only 3,000 people in prison in the entire country?

/Pussies!
 
2010-01-09 02:46:53 AM
Yeah, who would want to live in that 3rd world, crime-ridden hellhole known as Norway?
 
jtr
2010-01-09 02:49:38 AM
socialists and their free health care... Next thing you know they'll be handing out punishments that fit drug drug crimes accordingly...
 
2010-01-09 02:52:39 AM
DIdn't Frank Abagnale write about this? He enjoyed Scandanavian prison.

/he hated French prison
//thought the world should do that
 
2010-01-09 02:54:09 AM
Damn Norway.
Always making America look bad. Do gooders and helpful communities really put a stick in my craw.
 
2010-01-09 02:55:26 AM
I doubt a year in prison would be all that bad. The prisons here are incredibly nice. Our local prison is in a residential neighborhood-- as close as any building would be to other houses.

Another concept--- a year in prison is quite a long sentence here. I see all sorts of crazy crimes that receive shorter sentences.

As an American expat, it blew my mind how "soft" Norway is on crime. But the idea here is rehabilitation---- not punishment. I know that is a tough concept to swallow for some. Also, the press doesn't even publish names of criminals (when charged OR convicted)-- unless there are very unusual circumstances (ie. ith NOKAS case, etc.).

I largely agree with the article. The laws were initially set up for Norwegians---- not "foreigners" who are from regions where things like honor killings are acceptable. This place wouldn't even know where to start with real criminals. If you call the police, you are lucky if you receive a 24 hour response time.

There is an "old story" around here that a homeowner called the police to report that someone had broken into his house, and was downstairs stealing things. The police apologized for not having any resources available, and asked the man to wait patiently. A few minutes later the man calls the police back to say there was no need to send the police anymore--- that he had shot the intruder. The police immediately sent a SWAT team and helicopters. Not saying it is true, but it makes the point. Criminals have far too many rights.

On the other hand, I have not seen much negative data about repeat offenders, recidivism, etc. Just saying.... it might actually work. Sort of.
 
2010-01-09 02:56:18 AM
Good. That will keep the Eurotrash going there instead of to America. I can't stand the immigrants in America, especially the Irish.
 
2010-01-09 02:58:19 AM
So if you illegally prostitute yourself and get preggers can you double dip?
 
2010-01-09 02:58:47 AM
filter: On the other hand, I have not seen much negative data about repeat offenders, recidivism, etc. Just saying.... it might actually work. Sort of.

How many blacks live in Norway?

/ducks
 
2010-01-09 03:05:29 AM
Eighty dollars a month?

I see the genius.

Give the criminals enough money to retire....

in Uganda.
 
2010-01-09 03:08:35 AM
SeamusFerrell: filter: On the other hand, I have not seen much negative data about repeat offenders, recidivism, etc. Just saying.... it might actually work. Sort of.

How many blacks live in Norway?

/ducks




No one cares about you enough to throw anything.
 
2010-01-09 03:18:15 AM
Bet O.J.'s really kicking himself right now.
 
2010-01-09 03:18:32 AM
SeamusFerrell: Good. That will keep the Eurotrash going there instead of to America. I can't stand the immigrants in America, especially the Irish.

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2010-01-09 03:19:07 AM
Ask me about my pension
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2010-01-09 03:32:29 AM
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I love the ad sidebars on these right-wing "news" sites. If it's true that a picture is worth a thousand words, then every single one of those words is WHARRGARBL.
 
2010-01-09 03:35:34 AM
filter: There is an "old story" around here that a homeowner called the police to report that someone had broken into his house, and was downstairs stealing things. The police apologized for not having any resources available, and asked the man to wait patiently. A few minutes later the man calls the police back to say there was no need to send the police anymore--- that he had shot the intruder. The police immediately sent a SWAT team and helicopters. Not saying it is true, but it makes the point. Criminals have far too many rights.

We have the same story in America. Which just goes to show, it's best not to form your views of criminal justice from silly anecdotes that get passed around until all identifiable information is stripped from them.
 
2010-01-09 03:44:08 AM
"Front Page Mag"? So named because the Front Page is where all the shouty attention seeking goes in real newspapers, whereas the more nuanced analysis takes place on the inside pages.

(Obviously, I'm not talking about US newspapers or the Daily Mail, here).
 
2010-01-09 03:46:43 AM
filter: Not saying it is true, but it makes the point

Yes. Unfortunately, its the relevance of point that does rather depend on whether the story is true or not. Incidentally, I once heard that Obama was a Muslim from Kenya. Not saying its true, but it makes the point: mouth-breathing tea baggers will believe anything -- without any evidence -- if it fits their world view.
 
2010-01-09 03:47:26 AM
I know a guy from Norway who runs a bar in Phuket he's been collecting unemployment for 20+ years in the Land of the Midnight Sun while living in Asia I think their system is broke.
 
2010-01-09 03:52:50 AM
Didn't read the article but since we're talking about Norway I'm just going to blindly bet on the fact that whatever they're doing makes sense.
 
2010-01-09 03:55:22 AM
borg: I know a guy from Norway who runs a bar in Phuket he's been collecting unemployment for 20+ years in the Land of the Midnight Sun while living in Asia I think their system is broke.

I think the period on your keyboard is broken.

And, yes, Scandinavia is an awful place full of terrible wrongs. Everyone please stay away. You'd hate it here.
 
2010-01-09 03:59:59 AM
swahnhennessy: And, yes, Scandinavia is an awful place full of terrible wrongs. Everyone please stay away. You'd hate it here.

The metal drives me in.
 
2010-01-09 04:01:05 AM
tuffsnake: So if you illegally prostitute yourself and get preggers can you double dip?

Prostituting yourself (ie: selling sex)in Norway is fully legal - if you are a good girl/boy and send in the tax papers, pay your income tax and such, it'll even count towards your state provided pension when you hit the retirement age.

On the other hand, buying sex is illegal. Strange piece of law that, but that's how it is.
 
2010-01-09 04:01:30 AM
swahnhennessy: borg: I know a guy from Norway who runs a bar in Phuket he's been collecting unemployment for 20+ years in the Land of the Midnight Sun while living in Asia I think their system is broke.

I think the period on your keyboard is broken.

And, yes, Scandinavia is an awful place full of terrible wrongs. Everyone please stay away. You'd hate it here.


No the period is fine but it's 1:01 am I'm toasted & this isn't English 101.
 
2010-01-09 04:06:11 AM
gwowen: filter: Not saying it is true, but it makes the point

Yes. Unfortunately, its the relevance of point that does rather depend on whether the story is true or not. Incidentally, I once heard that Obama was a Muslim from Kenya. Not saying its true, but it makes the point: mouth-breathing tea baggers will believe anything -- without any evidence -- if it fits their world view.


A friend of mine sent me this:

"I wish to warn you about a new crime ring that is targeting business travelers. This ring is well organized, well funded, has very skilled personnel, and is currently in most major cities and recently very active in New Orleans.

The crime begins when a business traveler goes to a lounge for a drink at the end of the work day.

A person in the bar walks up as they sit alone and offers to buy them a drink. The last thing the traveler remembers until they wake up in a hotel room bath tub, their body submerged to their neck in ice, is sipping that drink. There is a note taped to the wall instructing them not to move and to call 911. A phone is on a small table next to the bathtub for them to call.

The business traveler calls 911 who have become quite familiar with this crime.

The business traveler is instructed by the 911 operator to very slowly and carefully reach behind them and feel if there is a tube protruding from their lower back. The business traveler finds the tube and answers, "Yes." The 911 operator tells them to remain still, having already sent paramedics to help. The operator knows that both of the business traveler's kidneys have been harvested.

This is not a scam or out of a science fiction novel, it is real."

Be careful people, BE CAREFUL!
 
2010-01-09 04:08:49 AM
What about the hot Norwegian chicks you can pick up on any street corner?
 
2010-01-09 04:10:11 AM
William Murderface: Hey, did you know that Norway has the lowest murder rate in the whole world? The lowest in the world?
Nathan Explosion: Wait a minute, you mean that the murder rate in Canada is higher than Norway?
William Murderface: Yah.
Nathan Explosion: Oh my God, that's lame. This place is lame.
 
2010-01-09 04:12:58 AM
Turbo Cojones: On the other hand, there are only 3,000 people in prison in the entire country?

/Pussies!


Yeah,Wiki says Norway's pop is 4,850,440 so that would mean that .06% of the population is in prison. Compared to somewhere around 1% in the US, approx 1700% higher. Thank you 'War On Drugs®'.
 
2010-01-09 04:13:34 AM
Ahh but the price you have to pay is to eat lutefisk at least once with at least 10 witnesses.

Most refuse and leave the country never to return.
 
2010-01-09 04:18:14 AM
Norwegians are happiest people on earth. Even their prisoners are happy. Bastards!
 
2010-01-09 04:19:33 AM
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Norwegian prison cell.

/hot
//from here
///video too (the "eco" prison!)
 
2010-01-09 04:34:15 AM
FlameDuck: Norwegians are happiest people on earth.

Except the ones that marry Tiger Woods...
 
2010-01-09 04:34:54 AM
Um, Norway is kicking our collective ass by every social metric. Maybe we have something to learn from them.

//In the interest of full disclosure
//25% Norwagan

//What's w/ all the creepy right-wing bs all of the time?
 
2010-01-09 04:35:23 AM
Poison Appleseeds: Turbo Cojones: On the other hand, there are only 3,000 people in prison in the entire country?

/Pussies!

Yeah,Wiki says Norway's pop is 4,850,440 so that would mean that .06% of the population is in prison. Compared to somewhere around 1% in the US, approx 1700% higher. Thank you 'War On Drugs®'.


The "war on drugs" is stupid.

However, for comparison sake: The population of Norway is less than the population of the state of Colorado.
 
2010-01-09 04:38:42 AM
Unholy Ferret: Poison Appleseeds: Turbo Cojones: On the other hand, there are only 3,000 people in prison in the entire country?

/Pussies!

Yeah,Wiki says Norway's pop is 4,850,440 so that would mean that .06% of the population is in prison. Compared to somewhere around 1% in the US, approx 1700% higher. Thank you 'War On Drugs®'.

The "war on drugs" is stupid.

However, for comparison sake: The population of Norway is less than the population of the state of Colorado.


Which is why I compared the rates per capita.
.06% of Norway population
1%of US population
 
2010-01-09 04:39:16 AM
signaljammer: Um, Norway is kicking our collective ass by every social metric. Maybe we have something to learn from them.

//In the interest of full disclosure
//25% Norwagan

//What's w/ all the creepy right-wing bs all of the time?


They don't subscribe to the robber baron social stratification. They actually listened to Adam Smith when he said the wealthy need to tend to their position in life.
 
2010-01-09 04:42:37 AM
Poison Appleseeds:

... 0.06% of the population ...

Unholy Ferret

However, for comparison sake: The population of Norway is less than the population of the state of Colorado.

Someone doesn't understand percentages.
 
2010-01-09 04:44:26 AM
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Joey, have you ever been to a Norwegian prison...?
 
2010-01-09 04:46:54 AM
Poison Appleseeds: Unholy Ferret: Poison Appleseeds: Turbo Cojones: On the other hand, there are only 3,000 people in prison in the entire country?

/Pussies!

Yeah,Wiki says Norway's pop is 4,850,440 so that would mean that .06% of the population is in prison. Compared to somewhere around 1% in the US, approx 1700% higher. Thank you 'War On Drugs®'.

The "war on drugs" is stupid.

However, for comparison sake: The population of Norway is less than the population of the state of Colorado.

Which is why I compared the rates per capita.
.06% of Norway population
1%of US population


I understand that.

What I mean is that the comparison is still lacking. Norway is tiny. The USA is not.

Per capita doesn't take into account the varying degrees of the cultures within a given country. When your country is the size of a single state, it can be easy for the culture to be groomed a certain way.
When you span a distance that touches two very different oceans, and two radically different neighboring countries, the behavioural patterns of your people are going to be just as radically diverse.

While it is easy to point at numbers and make comparisons, the truth behind the comparisons is a thinly veiled attack to certain parties. (In this case, the USA's lack of a great prison system.)

When you throw in the varying State Constitutions and penalties for infractions. Well... The comparison of prison populations isn't as simple as just the amount of people inside the cells.
 
2010-01-09 04:47:54 AM
gwowen: FlameDuck: Norwegians are happiest people on earth.

Except the ones that marry Tiger Woods...


She's not Norwegian, so the statement holds.
 
2010-01-09 04:52:37 AM
Unholy Ferret: Poison Appleseeds: Unholy Ferret: Poison Appleseeds: Turbo Cojones: On the other hand, there are only 3,000 people in prison in the entire country?

/Pussies!

Yeah,Wiki says Norway's pop is 4,850,440 so that would mean that .06% of the population is in prison. Compared to somewhere around 1% in the US, approx 1700% higher. Thank you 'War On Drugs®'.

The "war on drugs" is stupid.

However, for comparison sake: The population of Norway is less than the population of the state of Colorado.

Which is why I compared the rates per capita.
.06% of Norway population
1%of US population

I understand that.

What I mean is that the comparison is still lacking. Norway is tiny. The USA is not.

Per capita doesn't take into account the varying degrees of the cultures within a given country. When your country is the size of a single state, it can be easy for the culture to be groomed a certain way.
When you span a distance that touches two very different oceans, and two radically different neighboring countries, the behavioural patterns of your people are going to be just as radically diverse.

While it is easy to point at numbers and make comparisons, the truth behind the comparisons is a thinly veiled attack to certain parties. (In this case, the USA's lack of a great prison system.)

When you throw in the varying State Constitutions and penalties for infractions. Well... The comparison of prison populations isn't as simple as just the amount of people inside the cells.


Vaild points. However, do you think those points justify a 1700% difference in incarceration rate?
 
2010-01-09 04:55:07 AM
Unholy Ferret: Poison Appleseeds: Unholy Ferret: Poison Appleseeds: Turbo Cojones: On the other hand, there are only 3,000 people in prison in the entire country?

/Pussies!

Yeah,Wiki says Norway's pop is 4,850,440 so that would mean that .06% of the population is in prison. Compared to somewhere around 1% in the US, approx 1700% higher. Thank you 'War On Drugs®'.

The "war on drugs" is stupid.

However, for comparison sake: The population of Norway is less than the population of the state of Colorado.

Which is why I compared the rates per capita.
.06% of Norway population
1%of US population

I understand that.

What I mean is that the comparison is still lacking. Norway is tiny. The USA is not.

Per capita doesn't take into account the varying degrees of the cultures within a given country. When your country is the size of a single state, it can be easy for the culture to be groomed a certain way.
When you span a distance that touches two very different oceans, and two radically different neighboring countries, the behavioural patterns of your people are going to be just as radically diverse.

While it is easy to point at numbers and make comparisons, the truth behind the comparisons is a thinly veiled attack to certain parties. (In this case, the USA's lack of a great prison system.)

When you throw in the varying State Constitutions and penalties for infractions. Well... The comparison of prison populations isn't as simple as just the amount of people inside the cells.


You don't really understand how capitalising the middle class creates the keynesian ideal. You create a consumer class just like Ford did back in the day. You really don't understand how money makes money more valuable based on population. Do you?
 
2010-01-09 04:57:33 AM
Poison Appleseeds: Vaild points. However, do you think those points justify a 1700% difference in incarceration rate?

Not in the slightest. I don't disagree that the USA's prison system is farked beyond reason.

Just saying that I think it is a little more complicated than what the numbers would show us.
 
2010-01-09 05:06:33 AM
Alien Robot: Norwegian prison cell.

/hot
//from here
///video too (the "eco" prison!)


lol? If that is a prison cell, it is substantially better than a college dorm in the US, offending material aside.
 
2010-01-09 05:08:49 AM
Unholy Ferret: Poison Appleseeds: Turbo Cojones: On the other hand, there are only 3,000 people in prison in the entire country?

/Pussies!

Yeah,Wiki says Norway's pop is 4,850,440 so that would mean that .06% of the population is in prison. Compared to somewhere around 1% in the US, approx 1700% higher. Thank you 'War On Drugs®'.

The "war on drugs" is stupid.

However, for comparison sake: The population of Norway is less than the population of the state of Colorado.


Doesn't change the % rates.
 
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