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2010-01-08 12:10:11 PM  
Rendell is desperate to see those casinos generate additional tax dollars for the state. he's run us into such a large deficit that he needs every penny he can scrape up.

it's odd too, considering how puritanical the rest of the state is when it comes to 'sin' taxes. the liquor control board is essentially a socialist organization designed to maximize profits for the state while patronizing the local churches with the illusion of controlling drinking. But when it came to gambling, the churches got shut out of the discussion. Or rather, any objections they had were largely ignored.
 
2010-01-08 12:24:32 PM  
Do I get to drink for free in PA casinos? Where are the good ones? This could be relevant to my interests, especially if it cut a few hours out of the drive to Atlantic City.
 
2010-01-08 12:28:33 PM  
That scream of anguish you just heard came from Atlantic City.
 
2010-01-08 12:29:37 PM  
Weaver95: he's run us into such a large deficit that he needs every penny he can scrape up.

I wouldn't pin this all on Rendell: both Houses have worked with him exceptionally hard to fark everything up.
 
2010-01-08 12:41:12 PM  
Weaver95: it's odd too, considering how puritanical the rest of the state is when it comes to 'sin' taxes. the liquor control board is essentially a socialist organization

I'd vote Republican if their campaign mantra was "the PALCB is a socialist organization that needs to be destroyed."
 
2010-01-08 12:43:39 PM  
The Icelander: I'd vote Republican if their campaign mantra was "the PALCB is a socialist organization that needs to be destroyed

most of them think that. but support for the lcb is a 100 percent union vote for democrats, plus they get the fundie republicans who don't like booze. so we're stuck with it forever and ever
 
2010-01-08 12:44:03 PM  
Pocket Ninja: Do I get to drink for free in PA casinos?

No.

You have to go to the special "liquor casino" if you want hard alcohol or wine, or one of the independent "beer distributor casinos" if you want beer. But the selection will be poor and it will cost twice what you'd pay in Maryland.
 
2010-01-08 12:45:14 PM  
Pocket Ninja: Do I get to drink for free in PA casinos? Where are the good ones? This could be relevant to my interests, especially if it cut a few hours out of the drive to Atlantic City

yep, free drinks for players. the biggest is philadelphia park, on route 1 just north of philly. it's the one in the article. the owner is already itching to install tables
 
2010-01-08 12:47:55 PM  
The article in the Atlantic City Press noted that "PAs casinos will not be able to offer the wide range of dining and entertainment options that a resort city like ours boasts."

I guess that's true, until the science-types figure out a way to artificially manufacture the odor of brine and dead prostitute.
 
2010-01-08 12:50:47 PM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves: The article in the Atlantic City Press noted that "PAs casinos will not be able to offer the wide range of dining and entertainment options that a resort city like ours boasts."

I guess that's true, until the science-types figure out a way to artificially manufacture the odor of brine and dead prostitute.


My wife and I went to AC once. I went up to a slot machine, promptly lost $20 and then said "what now?"

The only thing I really enjoyed was the Ripley's Believe-It-Or-Not Museum. And my wife won $50 so we ate at the buffet but the sight of a morbidly obese octogenarian loading up on roast beef with a plate rested on her gunt made me lose my appetite.
 
2010-01-08 12:57:06 PM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves: The article in the Atlantic City Press noted that "PAs casinos will not be able to offer the wide range of dining and entertainment options pawn shops, boarded-up shops, and homely streetwalkers that a resort city like ours boasts."

fixed
 
2010-01-08 12:59:52 PM  
The Icelander: You have to go to the special "liquor casino" if you want hard alcohol or wine, or one of the independent "beer distributor casinos" if you want beer. But the selection will be poor and it will cost twice what you'd pay in Maryland.

*snicker*
 
2010-01-08 01:14:18 PM  
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Weaver95: he's run us into such a large deficit that he needs every penny he can scrape up.

I wouldn't pin this all on Rendell: both Houses have worked with him exceptionally hard to fark everything up.


Pretty much this. Our state government is a farking disaster. We have 253 state legislators. 253. WTF? Is that really necessary? Like, 100 dudes couldn't work it out? And, apparently, we managed to find the 253 most useless bastards in the state.
 
2010-01-08 01:15:43 PM  
Doctor Funkenstein: And, apparently, we managed to find the 253 most useless bastards in the state.

We have a preponderance of useless bastards.
 
2010-01-08 01:17:27 PM  
The Icelander: We have a preponderance of useless bastards.

yeah. where would they go without the legislature? i suspect 253 communities would have a new town drunk
 
2010-01-08 01:20:11 PM  
Bah, I was hoping for some kind of beer pong or flip cup casinos.
 
2010-01-08 01:27:38 PM  
albo: yeah. where would they go without the legislature? i suspect 253 communities would have a new town drunk

Nah, they're barely qualified for that. Think: village idiot.
 
2010-01-08 01:34:18 PM  
swingerhead: Bah, I was hoping for some kind of beer pong or flip cup casinos.

O'shea's! Oh yeah.
 
2010-01-08 01:34:24 PM  
Well finally a reason to go to the Bethlehem Casino.
 
2010-01-08 01:34:33 PM  
The sit down Galaga is fun.
 
2010-01-08 01:34:51 PM  

Pennsylvania adds table games to its casinos


Chair games and couch games soon to follow.
 
2010-01-08 01:36:36 PM  
Pocket Ninja: Do I get to drink for free in PA casinos?


Doubtful...especially with their shiatty liquor laws.

Hell, even my local Indian casino (Tulalip) doesn't hand out free drinks. The first time I went there, I asked the cocktail waitress for a Coors Light. When she came back, I handed her a dollar tip.

"Um....that will be $3," she said.

D'oh!
 
2010-01-08 01:39:00 PM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves: That scream of anguish you just heard came from Atlantic City.

How is today different?
 
2010-01-08 01:39:23 PM  
Weaver95: Rendell is desperate to see those casinos generate additional tax dollars for the state. he's run us into such a large deficit that he needs every penny he can scrape up.

it's odd too, considering how puritanical the rest of the state is when it comes to 'sin' taxes. the liquor control board is essentially a socialist organization designed to maximize profits for the state while patronizing the local churches with the illusion of controlling drinking. But when it came to gambling, the churches got shut out of the discussion. Or rather, any objections they had were largely ignored.


It can't be a socialist organization, socialists are against sin taxes. Everyone gets back equally, remember.

You fail, like always.
 
2010-01-08 01:39:39 PM  
Nice. Pennsylvania Hold-Em!
 
2010-01-08 01:40:31 PM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves: The article in the Atlantic City Press noted that "PAs casinos will not be able to offer the wide range of dining and entertainment options that a resort city like ours boasts."

I guess that's true, until the science-types figure out a way to artificially manufacture the odor of brine and dead prostitute.


No need for artificial dad hookers. If you build it they will come. PA will be reeking of drakar noir, cheap stale cigarettes, and dead hookers in no time.
 
2010-01-08 01:41:23 PM  
notq: It can't be a socialist organization, socialists are against sin taxes. Everyone gets back equally, remember.

You fail, like always.



WTF?! Are you for real?
 
2010-01-08 01:42:02 PM  
albo: The Icelander: I'd vote Republican if their campaign mantra was "the PALCB is a socialist organization that needs to be destroyed

most of them think that. but support for the lcb is a 100 percent union vote for democrats, plus they get the fundie republicans who don't like booze. so we're stuck with it forever and ever


Unions? Like... which ones? I doubt that union workers would be very keen on making it harder to drink, and I don't exactly get how they can be seen to be benefiting from a state owned liquor operation that requires you to drive to three stores to get a weekends worth of drinking ready.

No... PA's politicians like the PALCB because it makes a shiatload of money and all proceeds go directly to the PA General Fund.

But I suppose you're welcome to have a *unions are bad* wank off, if that's what you're into.
 
2010-01-08 01:42:05 PM  
I'm fine with adding table games, but what pisses me off is that they're doing it as a band-aid for a $250m budget deficit. They should address why there's a deficit to begin with.
 
2010-01-08 01:42:58 PM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves: That scream of anguish you just heard came from Atlantic City.

And Wheeling, WV
 
2010-01-08 01:43:11 PM  
Don't forget soroties are considered whore houses under PA's puritan laws.
 
2010-01-08 01:44:41 PM  
The Icelander: Mr. Coffee Nerves: The article in the Atlantic City Press noted that "PAs casinos will not be able to offer the wide range of dining and entertainment options that a resort city like ours boasts."

I guess that's true, until the science-types figure out a way to artificially manufacture the odor of brine and dead prostitute.

My wife and I went to AC once. I went up to a slot machine, promptly lost $20 and then said "what now?"

The only thing I really enjoyed was the Ripley's Believe-It-Or-Not Museum. And my wife won $50 so we ate at the buffet but the sight of a morbidly obese octogenarian loading up on roast beef with a plate rested on her gunt made me lose my appetite.


Lots of shopping in AC, an IMAX theatre, a couple of decent comedy clubs, and in the summer there's always the beach. Waaaaay more than PA casinos. I've been to Mt. Airy Casino and it's just awful. My friends & I were there on a Saturday afternoon a few months ago and we were the youngest people there. We were playing the penny slots and just cracking ourselves up when we got shushed by the wrinkle monsters surrounding us. Somebody actually shushed us because we were having fun at a casino.

And it's out in the boondocks with only the buffet & 2 restaurants to choose from inside. Nothing else to do in the area.
 
2010-01-08 01:44:56 PM  
TheMephis: I'm fine with adding table games, but what pisses me off is that they're doing it as a band-aid for a $250m budget deficit. They should address why there's a deficit to begin with.


And you know they'll just blow through that money and need to raise taxes on something else.

My state (WA) recently increased liquor taxes as a "band-aid" for dealing with our deficit.
 
2010-01-08 01:45:33 PM  
Finally! I'm 35 minutes from the new Harrah's in Chester. Let's turn PA into Nevada east.
 
2010-01-08 01:45:40 PM  
BeesNuts: Unions? Like... which ones? I doubt that union workers would be very keen on making it harder to drink, and I don't exactly get how they can be seen to be benefiting from a state owned liquor operation that requires you to drive to three stores to get a weekends worth of drinking ready

liquor store clerks and managers unions. they are massively powerful in harrisburg, and love the state store system.
 
2010-01-08 01:46:40 PM  
I have a shedload of friends from PA who now live in Texas.

They all say that PA is a beautiful, wonderful place and their photo albums prove it.

They also say that the gov't and jobs situation is so farked up they will never go back except to visit.

/so I believe what you PA farkers are saying.
//I'd also love to go visit
 
2010-01-08 01:46:41 PM  
Doctor Funkenstein:

Pretty much this. Our state government is a farking disaster. We have 253 state legislators. 253. WTF? Is that really necessary? Like, 100 dudes couldn't work it out? And, apparently, we managed to find the 253 most useless bastards in the state.


New Hampshire guffaws. "In 1942, a constitutional amendment limited the size of the House to 400 but not less [sic] than 375 members. As a result, the New Hampshire House is the largest state legislative body in the United States" - From NH.gov. That number does not include state senators.
 
2010-01-08 01:47:13 PM  
BeesNuts: But I suppose you're welcome to have a *unions are bad* wank off, if that's what you're into.

nice. do some research before you snark
 
2010-01-08 01:47:35 PM  
You can thank Ohio for the table games. The slot parlors in Erie and Pittsboig would have taken a hit once the full service casino in Cleveland opened, reversing the flow of dollars over the border.
 
2010-01-08 01:48:22 PM  
thank god I graduated from Lehigh in '07 before that casino went up in bethlehem. thank. god.
 
2010-01-08 01:49:43 PM  
The Icelander: Pocket Ninja: Do I get to drink for free in PA casinos?

No.

You have to go to the special "liquor casino" if you want hard alcohol or wine, or one of the independent "beer distributor casinos" if you want beer. But the selection will be poor and it will cost twice what you'd pay in Maryland.


It's funny because it's true....
 
2010-01-08 01:51:26 PM  
I guess that visiting the in-laws will be slightly less painful. Does anyone know that best casino closest to Lancaster?
 
2010-01-08 01:51:49 PM  
Did any other PA farkers see something about wine vending machines in supermarkets?
 
2010-01-08 01:51:50 PM  
callmeox: You can thank Ohio for the table games. The slot parlors in Erie and Pittsboig would have taken a hit once the full service casino in Cleveland opened, reversing the flow of dollars over the border.

More like WV. PA basically created a gambling arms race once they passed the slots bill, thereby creating reactionary efforts in MD, OH, and WV. WV responded by adding table gambling so it was just a matter of time before PA did as well.
 
2010-01-08 01:52:40 PM  
devildog123: Does anyone know that best casino closest to Lancaster?

shoot over to penn national at grantville, dauphin county, off i-81. hollywood casino. you can bet the ponies as well.
 
2010-01-08 01:53:22 PM  
Farkin A: Did any other PA farkers see something about wine vending machines in supermarkets?

No, I have not. I remember some asinine thing about selling alcohol in supermarkets if they had a bar attached or something about 2 years ago. That ever get implemented?
 
2010-01-08 01:53:44 PM  
devildog123: I guess that visiting the in-laws will be slightly less painful. Does anyone know that best casino closest to Lancaster?

Amish Jakey's Shoo-Fly Pie Emporium and Gambling Hall
 
2010-01-08 01:53:58 PM  
Farkin A: Did any other PA farkers see something about wine vending machines in supermarkets?

yep. only in PA: of course the LCB thinks it's easier to have their own robots sell wine than actual grocery stores
 
2010-01-08 01:54:58 PM  
BunkyBrewman: devildog123: I guess that visiting the in-laws will be slightly less painful. Does anyone know that best casino closest to Lancaster?

Amish Jakey's Shoo-Fly Pie Emporium and Gambling Hall


Plus, the slot machines are powered by coal.
 
2010-01-08 01:55:03 PM  
TheMephis: No, I have not. I remember some asinine thing about selling alcohol in supermarkets if they had a bar attached or something about 2 years ago. That ever get implemented?

it's if they have a restaurant or food court inside. yep. some wegman's and groceries in the southeast can now sell six packs
 
2010-01-08 01:55:15 PM  
TheMephis: I'm fine with adding table games, but what pisses me off is that they're doing it as a band-aid for a $250m budget deficit. They should address why there's a deficit to begin with.

Seriously, our state budget needs some work.

Also, Harrah's in Chester is 2 mins away from my school and Philadelphia Park is maybe 10 mins from the office... this could get interesting.
 
2010-01-08 01:55:57 PM  
DiamondDave: Mr. Coffee Nerves: That scream of anguish you just heard came from Atlantic City.

And Wheeling, WV


And Mountaineer, WV
 
2010-01-08 01:56:07 PM  
TheMephis: Farkin A: Did any other PA farkers see something about wine vending machines in supermarkets?

No, I have not. I remember some asinine thing about selling alcohol in supermarkets if they had a bar attached or something about 2 years ago. That ever get implemented?


Yes, in some cases and depending on who you know in the PLCB. (and I think you had to have a sit-down foodservice part under the guise of being a restaurant)

The not selling wine in supermarkets rule is bullshiat imho. Our commonwealth is so farking backwards sometimes it's embarrassing.
 
2010-01-08 01:56:42 PM  
albo: BeesNuts: But I suppose you're welcome to have a *unions are bad* wank off, if that's what you're into.

nice. do some research before you snark


I'd bet money in one of these new casinos that when I read
"...privatization never happened in Pennsylvania and won't happen anytime soon. That's because even with all the red tape, alcohol sales return nearly $500 million annually to the state treasury. It's also because the clerks' union, which is dead set against privatization, is a powerful force."

That the 500 million bucks is a more "powerful force" than 3,600 part/full-time clerks and managers and 400 state headquarters employees.

Unless they are all capable of giving 4 times the average salary of one of these guys (30k/year), I fail to understand how they could be considered significant compared to the absolute shiatload of money the LCB feeds the system.

But yeah. Maybe some more research is in order before I spout my mouth off at folks who would blame global warming on The Unions if they believed in it in the first place.
 
2010-01-08 01:58:35 PM  
TheMephis

Not that I've seen. There is a SuperFresh on Rt 322 that has a spirits store pretty much attached to it but that's the closest thing I've seen. There was a poster at a Sheetz in Lancaster that was about a web petition to sell it in convenience stores that i signed but nothing will come out of that.
 
2010-01-08 01:59:40 PM  
The_Sponge: Pocket Ninja: Do I get to drink for free in PA casinos?


Doubtful...especially with their shiatty liquor laws.

Hell, even my local Indian casino (Tulalip) doesn't hand out free drinks. The first time I went there, I asked the cocktail waitress for a Coors Light. When she came back, I handed her a dollar tip.

"Um....that will be $3," she said.

D'oh!


I got in trouble in a situation like this once. I went to the Indian Casino already bombed from drinking all day. When the waitress tried to charge me for a Jack and coke, I told her "you Injuns shouldn't be charging so much for your firewater." They finally kicked me out when I accused the dealer of stealing all of my wampum.
 
2010-01-08 02:00:47 PM  
BeesNuts: That the 500 million bucks is a more "powerful force" than 3,600 part/full-time clerks and managers and 400 state headquarters employees.

the past two republican governors tried to get the system privatized, and they were stopped by votes in the legislature--the unions won't let it happen.

if you're looking at finances, you fail to consider the substantial chunk of money that will come from selling the liquor stores and LCB assets, plus the tax revenue from 600 plus new privately-owned liquor stores. and the sales tax and 18 percent flood tax aren't going to disappear, either.
 
2010-01-08 02:01:25 PM  
Farkin A: TheMephis

Not that I've seen. There is a SuperFresh on Rt 322 that has a spirits store pretty much attached to it but that's the closest thing I've seen. There was a poster at a Sheetz in Lancaster that was about a web petition to sell it in convenience stores that i signed but nothing will come out of that.


If the Sheetz added enough seating and got the right licenses they could possibly sell six packs of beer and some of those tiny heineken kegs. If you are in PA and see a really crappy looking building selling crappy sounding food, stop in. The back 2/3rds of the place is probably full of six packs, and the front 3rd probably has a 10x10 kitchen and a 30x20 dining area.
 
2010-01-08 02:02:18 PM  
Casinos are depressing. That is all.
 
2010-01-08 02:02:38 PM  
albo

I heard Wegmans was trying to get around the law but I'm about 40 minutes away from one it's been a while since I've been in there.
 
2010-01-08 02:04:06 PM  
PA Government:

Legalize table games to reduce our ginormous deficit? Sure! People will wonder why we held off for so long anyway. We're still not going to let just anyone sell liquor though, so we're still a wholesome Commonwealth!

Make gas companies pay a severance tax on Marcellus Shale drilling to reduce our ginormous deficit? No way! All the gas companies will run away and take away all the jobs and revenue even though there's a crapload of shale here, the tax barely makes a dent on them, and all the other states tax them already!

I've come to the conclusion that there's something in the air in Harrisburg that causes PA Legislators to become idiots as soon as they set foot in the city.

/Moved to WV and loves it
//Still works in PA
 
2010-01-08 02:04:13 PM  
Farkin A: but I'm about 40 minutes away from one it's been a while since I've been in there.

you gotta go check it out, at least to buy a fresh loaf of cheese bread
 
2010-01-08 02:05:14 PM  
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2010-01-08 02:06:02 PM  
Blessed Lunatic:
I've come to the conclusion that there's something in the air in Harrisburg that causes PA Legislators to become idiots as soon as they set foot in the city.


it's always interesting watching the lobbyists go to work in the morning.
 
2010-01-08 02:06:31 PM  
Awesome news. The electronic blackjack tables were cool but this is even better. Now I wish I was still in my old apartment, I could spit on Phila. Park from there. Time to lose all this pesky money!
 
2010-01-08 02:07:14 PM  
albo: it's if they have a restaurant or food court inside. yep. some wegman's and groceries in the southeast can now sell six packs

In Phoenixville, our Wegmans sells singles and 6 packs. The Acme that's been here for years has had a liquor store inside for as long as I can remember. It's got a separate cash register and you can't pay for groceries there, but that used to be the most convenient deal around.
 
2010-01-08 02:07:40 PM  
brigid_fitch: The Icelander: Mr. Coffee Nerves: The article in the Atlantic City Press noted that "PAs casinos will not be able to offer the wide range of dining and entertainment options that a resort city like ours boasts."

I guess that's true, until the science-types figure out a way to artificially manufacture the odor of brine and dead prostitute.

My wife and I went to AC once. I went up to a slot machine, promptly lost $20 and then said "what now?"

The only thing I really enjoyed was the Ripley's Believe-It-Or-Not Museum. And my wife won $50 so we ate at the buffet but the sight of a morbidly obese octogenarian loading up on roast beef with a plate rested on her gunt made me lose my appetite.

Lots of shopping in AC, an IMAX theatre, a couple of decent comedy clubs, and in the summer there's always the beach. Waaaaay more than PA casinos. I've been to Mt. Airy Casino and it's just awful. My friends & I were there on a Saturday afternoon a few months ago and we were the youngest people there. We were playing the penny slots and just cracking ourselves up when we got shushed by the wrinkle monsters surrounding us. Somebody actually shushed us because we were having fun at a casino.

And it's out in the boondocks with only the buffet & 2 restaurants to choose from inside. Nothing else to do in the area.


If you're talking about Mt Airy resort in the Poconos then you were 5 miles from a ski resort/indoor water park, 4 miles from the crossings outlets, and surrounded by a bunch of lakes. I think you may have just needed to buy a map.
 
2010-01-08 02:09:32 PM  
Craps? That's awesome. We have the Indian casinos in Phoenix but no craps tables.
 
2010-01-08 02:10:06 PM  
ChuckC: I got in trouble in a situation like this once. I went to the Indian Casino already bombed from drinking all day. When the waitress tried to charge me for a Jack and coke, I told her "you Injuns shouldn't be charging so much for your firewater." They finally kicked me out when I accused the dealer of stealing all of my wampum.


I feel like calling shenanigans on that. Really?

Some time ago I was playing poker at the Tulalip Casino. Even though our dealer's name tag said "Tony", it took all my power not to call him Chief. (He looked like Will Sampson from "On Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.)

Then a 6'4" trannie that looked like Joe Walsh wearing a blonde wig sat next to me, but that's a story for another time.
 
2010-01-08 02:10:31 PM  
BeesNuts: albo: BeesNuts: But I suppose you're welcome to have a *unions are bad* wank off, if that's what you're into.

nice. do some research before you snark

I'd bet money in one of these new casinos that when I read
"...privatization never happened in Pennsylvania and won't happen anytime soon. That's because even with all the red tape, alcohol sales return nearly $500 million annually to the state treasury. It's also because the clerks' union, which is dead set against privatization, is a powerful force."

That the 500 million bucks is a more "powerful force" than 3,600 part/full-time clerks and managers and 400 state headquarters employees.

Unless they are all capable of giving 4 times the average salary of one of these guys (30k/year), I fail to understand how they could be considered significant compared to the absolute shiatload of money the LCB feeds the system.

But yeah. Maybe some more research is in order before I spout my mouth off at folks who would blame global warming on The Unions if they believed in it in the first place.


The chance of privatization will never be realized now. From what I understand, the previous director (or might be current) was hired to do just that. Along the way, he turned the system around and now it makes more money than ever.

The thing that truly sucks is that the PLCB is the largest purchaser of wines in the world. What the hell do we see? Inflated prices that can't compete with our neighboring states for the most part.
 
2010-01-08 02:11:27 PM  
albo: BeesNuts: That the 500 million bucks is a more "powerful force" than 3,600 part/full-time clerks and managers and 400 state headquarters employees.

the past two republican governors tried to get the system privatized, and they were stopped by votes in the legislature--the unions won't let it happen.

if you're looking at finances, you fail to consider the substantial chunk of money that will come from selling the liquor stores and LCB assets, plus the tax revenue from 600 plus new privately-owned liquor stores. and the sales tax and 18 percent flood tax aren't going to disappear, either.


No matter how much I shop in MD... "temporary" bullshiat tax...

I don't know, man. 500 million/year is pretty nice. And can be completely relied upon. That makes the budget (which our legislature refuses to pass anyway) easier to deal with. Selling 600 stores would likely generate more than 500 million but it would be a one time deal. Also, the plcb is the second largest purchaser of liquor in the world, which leads to some mighty fine deals for the state which can then not at all get passed on to the citizens who don't live withing 10 miles of a border in this big ass place.

On top of the 23% taxes that are levied upon our drinking habits, the state is currently raking in a metric ton of real profit from all of its stores.

$1.8 billion in sales in fiscal year 2008-09, generating more than $494.5 million in sales tax, liquor tax and profits for the commonwealth's General Fund, Patrick "P.J." Stapleton III, chairman of the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board, said today.

23% of 1.8 billion would generate 100 million dollars less or so.*

I'm not saying unions have NO effect on politics in PA. Of course they do. I just think it's silly to play that up and ignore the HUGE amount of essentially free money that is added to the states coffers every year they decide to continue running this shiat.

*dirty mental math, feel free to check all this out.
 
2010-01-08 02:12:40 PM  
hazeleyedwolff: In Phoenixville, our Wegmans sells singles and 6 packs. The Acme that's been here for years has had a liquor store inside for as long as I can remember. It's got a separate cash register and you can't pay for groceries there, but that used to be the most convenient deal around.

They've got a really nice selection too, a lot of good micro-brew stuff they don't have at the distributors. You do have to use the separate registers still. I took beer over to the regular registers and they got all nasty with me that I didn't see some sign. (I like the store, but they're staff are just rude.)
 
2010-01-08 02:16:51 PM  
Gig103
.. but no craps tables.


Use the toilet, sheesh.
 
2010-01-08 02:17:45 PM  
The best part of the table games passage (for me) was this crotchety old lawmaker screaming about how gambling makes Baby Jeebus cry AND will result in the end of the free world when everyone who loses their paychecks immediately turns to abuse of drugs, alcohol, spouse & genital.

Then, on his website he brags about bringing home more lottery dollars for senior citizen services.
 
2010-01-08 02:18:27 PM  
The Icelander: morbidly obese octogenarian

Must not have been that morbid if she was in her 80s.
 
2010-01-08 02:19:44 PM  
BunkyBrewman: BeesNuts: albo: BeesNuts: But I suppose you're welcome to have a *unions are bad* wank off, if that's what you're into.

nice. do some research before you snark

I'd bet money in one of these new casinos that when I read
"...privatization never happened in Pennsylvania and won't happen anytime soon. That's because even with all the red tape, alcohol sales return nearly $500 million annually to the state treasury. It's also because the clerks' union, which is dead set against privatization, is a powerful force."

That the 500 million bucks is a more "powerful force" than 3,600 part/full-time clerks and managers and 400 state headquarters employees.

Unless they are all capable of giving 4 times the average salary of one of these guys (30k/year), I fail to understand how they could be considered significant compared to the absolute shiatload of money the LCB feeds the system.

But yeah. Maybe some more research is in order before I spout my mouth off at folks who would blame global warming on The Unions if they believed in it in the first place.

The chance of privatization will never be realized now. From what I understand, the previous director (or might be current) was hired to do just that. Along the way, he turned the system around and now it makes more money than ever.

The thing that truly sucks is that the PLCB is the largest purchaser of wines in the world. What the hell do we see? Inflated prices that can't compete with our neighboring states for the most part.


Why should they? What are you going to do if you don't live within a half hour of MD, WV, DE, or NJ? Or live in Philly and don't have a car? Naw... there's no impetus at all to compete. They can lose whatever percentage of folks want to drive a little way to have a better selection at a better price. Most people are just going to go pick up a box or two of franzia and a case or two of yeungling/budweiser every single week of their lives at the store right down the street.
 
2010-01-08 02:20:48 PM  
hazeleyedwolff: albo: it's if they have a restaurant or food court inside. yep. some wegman's and groceries in the southeast can now sell six packs

In Phoenixville, our Wegmans sells singles and 6 packs. The Acme that's been here for years has had a liquor store inside for as long as I can remember. It's got a separate cash register and you can't pay for groceries there, but that used to be the most convenient deal around.


yup - the Collegeville Wegmans actually has a pretty decent selection of beers to choose from and at great prices. at least the best prices i can find for six packs. in havertown six packs are like $12+ and you have to go to a crappy pizza place with a crappy selection.

One of the Super Sheetz in central PA (Altoona?)started selling six packs but then they had to stop. they're trying to get it back up and running. if that happens, i'm sure Wawa willl be following suit. weee.
 
2010-01-08 02:21:35 PM  
BunkyBrewman: From what I understand, the previous director (or might be current) was hired to do just that. Along the way, he turned the system around and now it makes more money than ever.

yeah, jonathan newman. a republican, and he made the system much more consumer friendly. now we'll never get rid of it, because PA residents think they're getting something better than they had. it's like the beatings were cut in half--you feel awesome, even though you're still getting beaten.
 
2010-01-08 02:27:20 PM  

BeesNuts


Most people are just going to go pick up a box or two of franzia and a case or two of yeungling/budweiser every single week of their lives at the store right down the street.


That sounds... depressing.
 
2010-01-08 02:28:52 PM  
Rendell got his wish. He pushed for slots under the guise of "property tax relief", which never materialized in numbers anywhere near what he was claiming. Then he figured what the hell, in for a penny and all that and went whole hog.

Now Pennsylvania is going full retard on gambling, something unthinkable as recently as 5 years ago. And just as slots didn't come through, this won't come through either. But hey, now you can blow your entire wad, and you don't have to go a few hours away to do it! What a great idea. Of course, everybody knew that this was coming, everybody knew that once the pols got their taste of slots money they wouldn't stop there. But they swore that they would stop at slots and everybody believed them.

Fark Fast Eddie. Why couldn't the Republicans have run anybody, ANYBODY other than Lynn Swann? I cannot wait until The Fat Fark from Philly is history.
 
2010-01-08 02:32:20 PM  
Yea, this will put Erie, PA on the map. Let's use gambling revenue to buy more road salt.
 
2010-01-08 02:33:49 PM  
Englebert Slaptyback: BeesNuts

Most people are just going to go pick up a box or two of franzia and a case or two of yeungling/budweiser every single week of their lives at the store right down the street.


That sounds... depressing.


It's depressing until you find out that all state stores have stopped carrying all items imported by _________ and you won't be seeing any of their products any longer. Then the fact that other people have shiatty taste stops being depressing and becomes god damned infuriating.
 
2010-01-08 02:35:26 PM  
jagarr: thank god I graduated from Lehigh in '07 before that casino went up in bethlehem. thank. god

Dude, you never walked through SteelTown, I'm sure. I'm sure you stayed in the safe areas of Bethlehem.
 
2010-01-08 02:39:06 PM  
StarshipPooper: Don't forget soroties are considered whore houses under PA's puritan laws.

I can't argue against it.
 
2010-01-08 02:42:32 PM  

BeesNuts


It's depressing until you find out that all state stores have stopped carrying all items imported by _________ and you won't be seeing any of their products any longer. Then the fact that other people have shiatty taste stops being depressing and becomes god damned infuriating.


I imagine it would. The "depressing" bit came from the description of people stuck in a horrible rut of box wine and cheap domestic beer, living their tiny lives on the same street in the same dead town where they were born. Ugh.
 
2010-01-08 02:42:57 PM  
Who wants to bet (HA!) that the lowest table minimums will be $10? And probably $25 for baccarat.

This will not stop me from going to Vegas. I mean, I'm an hour and a half drive away from a casino, and I enjoy shooting craps, but not at $10 a hand.

/Sorry Fast Eddie.
 
2010-01-08 02:44:18 PM  
DiamondDave: StarshipPooper: Don't forget soroties are considered whore houses under PA's puritan laws.

I can't argue against it.


No one's arguing that, the problem is that they are illegal.
 
2010-01-08 02:45:26 PM  
Thoreau Like A Girl: hazeleyedwolff: albo: it's if they have a restaurant or food court inside. yep. some wegman's and groceries in the southeast can now sell six packs

In Phoenixville, our Wegmans sells singles and 6 packs. The Acme that's been here for years has had a liquor store inside for as long as I can remember. It's got a separate cash register and you can't pay for groceries there, but that used to be the most convenient deal around.

yup - the Collegeville Wegmans actually has a pretty decent selection of beers to choose from and at great prices. at least the best prices i can find for six packs. in havertown six packs are like $12+ and you have to go to a crappy pizza place with a crappy selection.

One of the Super Sheetz in central PA (Altoona?)started selling six packs but then they had to stop. they're trying to get it back up and running. if that happens, i'm sure Wawa willl be following suit. weee.


Wow! 12 bucks for a six pack?!? I hope that is some really good beer. I can get a 12 pack of Shiner for that much (or a case of Lone Star for a buck more, not that I drink that stuff) here in TX. And we are the Reddest of the Red states..
 
2010-01-08 02:45:59 PM  
spacechicken170am: DiamondDave: StarshipPooper: Don't forget soroties are considered whore houses under PA's puritan laws.

I can't argue against it.

No one's arguing that, the problem is that they are illegal.


wait - the puritan laws or the whorehouses?
 
2010-01-08 02:49:37 PM  

Thoreau Like A Girl


One of the Super Sheetz in central PA (Altoona?)started selling six packs but then they had to stop. they're trying to get it back up and running. if that happens, i'm sure Wawa willl be following suit. weee.


"Sorry boss, I can't come to work today - I've got the Super Sheetz and my Wawa is inflamed."



Dunno where that came from...
 
2010-01-08 02:50:05 PM  
spacechicken170am: DiamondDave: StarshipPooper: Don't forget soroties are considered whore houses under PA's puritan laws.

I can't argue against it.

No one's arguing that, the problem is that they are illegal.


Sororities are not. But it is a very common myth, I heard it back when I was an undergrad far away from PA, and it was BS then as it is now. Link
 
2010-01-08 02:56:19 PM  
Sweet. I was very disapoointed when I went to river's casino last year in pittsburgh and found out gaming tables were illegal in PA.

Now i might go back!
 
2010-01-08 02:59:52 PM  
TheMephis: Farkin A: Did any other PA farkers see something about wine vending machines in supermarkets?

No, I have not. I remember some asinine thing about selling alcohol in supermarkets if they had a bar attached or something about 2 years ago. That ever get implemented?


There's a Mr. Z's in Turnersville that sells alcohol. It's down the street from The Crossings outlet mall. There may be others, but I know that one for certain.

/Not in PA, but I play paintball near Turnersville twice a year
//I'm in NJ, where only a handful of grocery stores can carry alcohol, and then only beer & wine.
///And by handful, I mean less than a dozen. Srsly.
 
2010-01-08 03:04:56 PM  
spacechicken170am: And it's out in the boondocks with only the buffet & 2 restaurants to choose from inside. Nothing else to do in the area.

If you're talking about Mt Airy resort in the Poconos then you were 5 miles from a ski resort/indoor water park, 4 miles from the crossings outlets, and surrounded by a bunch of lakes. I think you may have just needed to buy a map.


No, I knew the stuff around there since I was already at Split Rock to play paintball. The point is, in AC, there's plenty to do right there without having to drive for miles. You can spend an entire day in the Tropicana, for instance, and not gamble. They have LOTS of shopping, an IMAX, a comedy club, 3 night clubs, 8 restaurants, and the beach is right there.

Mt. Airy had zero things to do within walking distance and certainly nothing of note in the casino itself.
 
2010-01-08 03:06:48 PM  
brigid_fitch: TheMephis: Farkin A: Did any other PA farkers see something about wine vending machines in supermarkets?

No, I have not. I remember some asinine thing about selling alcohol in supermarkets if they had a bar attached or something about 2 years ago. That ever get implemented?

There's a Mr. Z's in Turnersville that sells alcohol. It's down the street from The Crossings outlet mall. There may be others, but I know that one for certain.

/Not in PA, but I play paintball near Turnersville twice a year
//I'm in NJ, where only a handful of grocery stores can carry alcohol, and then only beer & wine.
///And by handful, I mean less than a dozen. Srsly.


That's 'Tannersville'. There's another in Mt. Pocono. Also, gambling is a much better idea than building a functional economy.
 
2010-01-08 03:08:26 PM  
tbyte: spacechicken170am: DiamondDave: StarshipPooper: Don't forget soroties are considered whore houses under PA's puritan laws.

I can't argue against it.

No one's arguing that, the problem is that they are illegal.

Sororities are not. But it is a very common myth, I heard it back when I was an undergrad far away from PA, and it was BS then as it is now. Link


I know, I actually lived in a sorority house for a while. It's not nearly as fun as you would think when you're dating one of them. In my town we used to have a greek row and half the houses up there were sorority houses. The place was then sold and turned into low income housing. The issue is the residential zoning laws. This is the root of the myth. It's basically to keep the damned kids out of the family nieghborhoods. The odd thing is that they let familys move into the student neighborhoods. I love to hear them complain about students drinking in front of their children when they move on to what is known as the local bourbon street.
 
2010-01-08 03:09:43 PM  
Twonk: Who wants to bet (HA!) that the lowest table minimums will be $10? And probably $25 for baccarat.

This will not stop me from going to Vegas. I mean, I'm an hour and a half drive away from a casino, and I enjoy shooting craps, but not at $10 a hand.

/Sorry Fast Eddie.


Not while AC has $5 tables. And I was just at Tropicana there 2 weeks ago playing $5 craps on a Saturday afternoon.
 
2010-01-08 03:11:20 PM  
Douchebag Warehouse: That's 'Tannersville'.

Ooops, thanks. Now if I could remember to stop calling it "Scrotum" instead of Scotrun...
 
2010-01-08 03:17:22 PM  
Lt. Cheese Weasel: Casinos are depressing. That is all.

Agree 100%. Thats why I spend my day testing casino table games and staying away from casinos.
 
2010-01-08 03:26:08 PM  
brigid_fitch: Douchebag Warehouse: That's 'Tannersville'.

Ooops, thanks. Now if I could remember to stop calling it "Scrotum" instead of Scotrun...


Dyslexia I wrestled have with as well.
 
2010-01-08 03:33:29 PM  
brigid_fitch: Not while AC has $5 tables. And I was just at Tropicana there 2 weeks ago playing $5 craps on a Saturday afternoon.

*makes mental note*

Who else in AC has $5 craps? I had thought that was a thing of the past.

/once played $2 craps in Mesquite, NV
 
2010-01-08 03:35:13 PM  
brigid_fitch: They have LOTS of shopping, an IMAX, a comedy club, 3 night clubs, 8 restaurants, and the beach is right there.

Just make sure you've had all your shots.

\And shower afterwards
\\With bleach.
 
2010-01-08 03:37:12 PM  
Thoreau Like A Girl: One of the Super Sheetz in central PA (Altoona?)started selling six packs but then they had to stop. they're trying to get it back up and running. if that happens, i'm sure Wawa willl be following suit. weee.

Sheetz is starting a campaign called "Free My Beer (^)" to lobby for expanded beer sales in PA.
 
2010-01-08 03:37:40 PM  
jimpoz: brigid_fitch: Not while AC has $5 tables. And I was just at Tropicana there 2 weeks ago playing $5 craps on a Saturday afternoon.

*makes mental note*

Who else in AC has $5 craps? I had thought that was a thing of the past.

/once played $2 craps in Mesquite, NV


Showboat still has a few $5 craps tables, but it's like trying to fit one last wafer-thin mint into one's gullet after a shift at the buffet.
 
2010-01-08 03:46:57 PM  
The_Sponge: Pocket Ninja: Do I get to drink for free in PA casinos?


Doubtful...especially with their shiatty liquor laws.

Hell, even my local Indian casino (Tulalip) doesn't hand out free drinks. The first time I went there, I asked the cocktail waitress for a Coors Light. When she came back, I handed her a dollar tip.

"Um....that will be $3," she said.

D'oh!


I wouldn't drink a Coors Light if it was free. If you're thirsty have some water. If you want to drink, drink something worth the effort.

I always found it odd that here in WA we have tons of casinos but AFAIK you have to pay for your drinks, but in Vegas they give it away (they make you wait for it if you're playing penny slots, of course, but if you really want to you can get a free drink).
 
2010-01-08 03:59:02 PM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves: jimpoz: brigid_fitch: Not while AC has $5 tables. And I was just at Tropicana there 2 weeks ago playing $5 craps on a Saturday afternoon.

*makes mental note*

Who else in AC has $5 craps? I had thought that was a thing of the past.

/once played $2 craps in Mesquite, NV

Showboat still has a few $5 craps tables, but it's like trying to fit one last wafer-thin mint into one's gullet after a shift at the buffet.


Trop had at least three $5 tables the Saturday I was there and there were a couple of spots open at all of them. I've also seen $5 craps AND Blackjack at Bally's Wild Wild West on a Sunday afternoon. I vaguely remember $5 craps at Borgata, but that would have been a weekday.
 
2010-01-08 04:01:27 PM  
brigid_fitch: and the beach is right there.

That word you are using...
 
2010-01-08 04:16:39 PM  
Well, I knew it was only a matter of time before the Chief Mobster in Charge conned, lied, threatened, and blackmailed this bill through our state's legislature. I guess now he can retire in piece since his mobster associates got their casinos like he promised.
 
2010-01-08 04:21:25 PM  
I live about 30 minutes from Mt Airy and 10 minutes from the Mohegan Sun.

In some respects, Mohegan is better because there is a Ruth's Chris' Steak House, a Wolfgang Puck fast food place, numerous bars, shops, live entertainment and also has a horse track. It's also near a Wegmann's that sells beer.
OTOH, it's near Wilkes-Barre which offers nothing.

Mt Airy is in the middle of the Poconos. There's not much to do at the casino (besides gamble). However, it's within 5 minutes of good skiing, paintball, waterparks, outlet malls, and decent restaurants.

The only thing that really pisses me off is that Rendell promised property tax relief based upon the revenue generated. Hah. We got nothing.
 
2010-01-08 04:21:47 PM  
samwise098: Well, I knew it was only a matter of time before the Chief Mobster in Charge conned, lied, threatened, and blackmailed this bill through our state's legislature. I guess now he can retire in piece since his mobster associates got their casinos like he promised.

At least he hasn't "leased" the Turnpike for cash. Yet.
 
2010-01-08 04:22:51 PM  
brigid_fitch: Twonk: Who wants to bet (HA!) that the lowest table minimums will be $10? And probably $25 for baccarat.

This will not stop me from going to Vegas. I mean, I'm an hour and a half drive away from a casino, and I enjoy shooting craps, but not at $10 a hand.

/Sorry Fast Eddie.

Not while AC has $5 tables. And I was just at Tropicana there 2 weeks ago playing $5 craps on a Saturday afternoon.


Still, half the joy of the Vegas vacation is the vacation aspect. Craps is an important part of it, as well as video poker and a little roulette, but part of the joy is escaping PA for a little while:

- In Vegas, I can drink at a bar at any hour of the day or night.
- In Vegas, I can eat a steak dinner at any hour of the day or night.
- In Vegas, I can walk outside with an open container of booze, provided I'm not acting like a jackass.
- Vegas has much better people-watching opportunities.
- In'n'Out Burger.
- The Gun Store.
- Hell, the Liberace Museum. :)
- The Pinball Hall of Fame.

Don't get me wrong, I love Pittsburgh (lived there for 5 years), but if I lived there I still wouldn't gamble there. And I'm not driving to Hershey just to gamble and drive home broke.
 
2010-01-08 05:01:48 PM  
FWIW PA liquor employees belong to the meat packers union, seriously.
 
2010-01-08 05:05:52 PM  
As someone who gets screwed by the Meadow's casino everytime I go back to Pittsburgh for the holidays on the penny machines (not that risky of a gambler), I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

But I must say, finally. I mean they already have virtual blackjack and virtual roulette now, since technically they're slot machines. So I don't see the added harm of adding table games to it.
 
2010-01-08 05:22:12 PM  
FredaDeStilleto:
The only thing that really pisses me off is that Rendell promised property tax relief based upon the revenue generated. Hah. We got nothing.


Not defending Fast Eddie (soooo glad he's gonna be gone), but if you got nothing, it's either because your taxing school district didn't participate, or you didn't file the correct paperwork...

Link (new window)

My RE taxes took a nice little drop because of this, though many districts did not participate either because of a failed referendum, or they felt too limited by some of the participation constraints (if memory serves, they had to agree to not increase taxes for some period of time after opting in).
 
2010-01-08 05:31:11 PM  
astouffer: FWIW PA liquor employees belong to the meat packers union, seriously.

Huh? Clerks may be UFCW (United Food and Commercial Workers International Union), but LCB employees belong to a whole range of bargaining units, including AFSCME.
 
2010-01-08 06:12:27 PM  
But what'll happen to the poor virtual dealer hotties?

img42.imageshack.us
 
2010-01-08 10:10:44 PM  
why the fark i gotta buy beer at a friggin "beer store"?

you guys are as bad as jersey

Oh wait,,sorryy.
 
2010-01-08 11:50:13 PM  
Englebert Slaptyback: Thoreau Like A Girl

One of the Super Sheetz in central PA (Altoona?)started selling six packs but then they had to stop. they're trying to get it back up and running. if that happens, i'm sure Wawa willl be following suit. weee.


"Sorry boss, I can't come to work today - I've got the Super Sheetz and my Wawa is inflamed."



Dunno where that came from...


For some reason that got me giggling.

/Yes giggling
//If Mr.T does it, so can I
 
2010-01-09 12:11:57 AM  
When I turned 21, my folks took me to the Showboat Casino in Atlantic City, NJ. (I'm from Philly) - my dad said "Happy Birthday, Son" and handed me a 100 dollar bill. He said "go gamble and get lucky"... so i pocketed the money, got a burger at planet hollywood and went home with $90 in my pocket.
(Gambling is a suckers bet)
 
2010-01-09 01:40:16 PM  
brigid_fitch: TheMephis: Farkin A: Did any other PA farkers see something about wine vending machines in supermarkets?

No, I have not. I remember some asinine thing about selling alcohol in supermarkets if they had a bar attached or something about 2 years ago. That ever get implemented?

There's a Mr. Z's in Turnersville that sells alcohol. It's down the street from The Crossings outlet mall. There may be others, but I know that one for certain.

/Not in PA, but I play paintball near Turnersville twice a year
//I'm in NJ, where only a handful of grocery stores can carry alcohol, and then only beer & wine.
///And by handful, I mean less than a dozen. Srsly.


WHen I lived in Morristown in the 80s, there was an Acme that sold hard liquor. The place was ancient and small by super standards. I had the impression that their license was grandfathered from many years ago from the way they had it set up.
 
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