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2010-01-06 03:12:03 PM  
Maybe edumacated parents are more likely to assume that their poorly-functioning kids have a problem that can be fixed (especially with all that extra money the edumacated are supposed to make), but "regular" folks just assume that Junior is a little slow and needs to be treated like an imbecile. Junior assumes this is as it should be, and he then makes more stupid kids, then they make even more stupid kids, and then Mike Judge makes Idiocracy 2: Electrolytic Boogaloo.
 
2010-01-06 03:12:25 PM  

vossiewulf: I think you'd find those clusters of diagnosed autism would move in lockstep with the change in office location of a few psychiatrists/doctors.


And overly-generous HMOs.
 
2010-01-06 03:12:54 PM  
Smeggy Smurf

I think you have a point about kids needing to eat more dirt.

/my kids will be very suprised at whats for "dinner" tonight
 
2010-01-06 03:13:28 PM  

EviLincoln: Autism linked to career driven parents who let daycare and TV raise their kids? No. Way.


i192.photobucket.com

My "Black Dog" would like to have a word with you about my boarding daycare and detached parents during my youth.
 
2010-01-06 03:14:28 PM  

basemetal: EviLincoln: Autism linked to career driven parents who let daycare and TV raise their kids?

No. Way.

Or put off having kids until all they have are those dusty old eggs. spazzy old sperm


FTFY

Autism is more strongly linked to the age of the father than age that of the mother. Women just need to mate with young men.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5768623
 
2010-01-06 03:14:42 PM  
With all this denial about the reality of autism in this thread I can come to only one conclusion. Michael Savage has at least a dozen alts.
 
2010-01-06 03:15:17 PM  
btw Steven Novella = badass. The Skeptics guide to the universe podcast is better than your favorite podcast
 
2010-01-06 03:15:46 PM  

AlgaeRancher: Caused by hand sanitizers and antibiotic soap


wonder if thats the same stuff that caused the epidemic of asthma a few years ago. jeesus the clinic kept giving us these machines and inhaler crap. none of them had asthma. they basically said 'its a preventative diagnosis'. IOW they get paid more, the more of these little machines they give away. absurd.
 
2010-01-06 03:16:03 PM  

KatjaMouse: I believe that my mother was in denial about my aspergers.


Accoring to Mrs. Anomaly's therapist, this sort of thing happens a lot amongst pros and the lay public alike. The therapist sees kids going undiagnosed until 10 or later, when the signs are all there from 2 or so. The parents deny there's anything wrong other than the kid might be "a little slow", until it gets too late to help the kid learn to talk, etc.
 
2010-01-06 03:16:07 PM  
I like the good old days when we just called them RETARDS.

www.zap2it.com
 
2010-01-06 03:16:12 PM  
This is caused due to women who wait until after 35 to have kids.


Selfish mothers....
 
2010-01-06 03:16:30 PM  
Aren't these people the nerds, geeks and spazzes of their generation(s)?
 
2010-01-06 03:17:48 PM  
I get the creeping feeling that people with the genetic baggage that leads to autism are choosing to mate more often with other folks with the same issues. When PhDs mate with other PhDs, this leads to lots of smart kids, sure, but it also leads to a bunch of nutballs. The modern world that allow folks to move from city to city at will broadens

And as mentioned above, all the dusty eggs (and sperms! older dads have been linked to higher rates of gorked offspring)
 
2010-01-06 03:17:50 PM  

Alphakronik: This is caused due to women men who wait until after 35 to have kids.


Selfish mothers. fathers...


FTFY
 
2010-01-06 03:19:07 PM  
It is amazing to me how little some of you seem to know about this, and yet comment about it. I have a nephew who is autistic, and I have a neighbor who says that her kid has adhd. I can tell you first hand that it is not even close in terms of their behavior. I think all the newer diagnosises have more to do with the fact that they used to just label all kids with disabilities as "retarded". How many of those people would actually be considered autistic these days?
 
2010-01-06 03:19:07 PM  

EviLincoln: Autism linked to career driven parents who let daycare and TV raise their kids?

No. Way.


Linked to parents who have the money and education to get their kids a diagnosis.

It has been increasing since autism has been separated from the MR spectrum - less stigma, more free services.

/Socioeconomic Class - do you has some?
 
2010-01-06 03:19:31 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: KatjaMouse: I believe that my mother was in denial about my aspergers.

Accoring to Mrs. Anomaly's therapist, this sort of thing happens a lot amongst pros and the lay public alike. The therapist sees kids going undiagnosed until 10 or later, when the signs are all there from 2 or so. The parents deny there's anything wrong other than the kid might be "a little slow", until it gets too late to help the kid learn to talk, etc.


She's a speech pathologist too so she noticed that I was slow to pick up on speech and language. How I made up sounds to mean things rather than use words or I would mumble and try communicating w/ my hands. At first she thought I was deaf because of this but then she chalked it up to being slow linguistically but that I was all around fine. After she worked w/ me to talk she assumed everything was going to be fine I guess.
 
2010-01-06 03:19:45 PM  

Jakevol2: With all this denial about the reality of autism



It's real. It's just not as common as some people seem to think it is. Much like ADD, which is real, but not the plague it is made out to be...
 
2010-01-06 03:20:06 PM  

andyofne: What we really needs is for more people to educate themselves a little better instead of blaming 'bad parenting' for the problems some of these kids have.

No one takes their kid to their pediatrician and gets a diagnosis of 'autism-lite'. It may take 4 or 5 specialists and countless hours of tests and evaluations before a diagnosis can be provided.


This. Nonbelievers should volunteer with autistic people.

Follow the link below to read a letter to the editor I found this morning on the subject of autism.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100106/OPINION02/30​1069994/- 1 /OPINION
 
2010-01-06 03:20:20 PM  
Came for the moral outrage of the parents/self-diagnosed Asperger's patients who know one autistic kid who is kinda bad and therefore anyone who says they're autistic must be and how dare you, how dare you, sir.

Leaving mildly disappointed.
 
2010-01-06 03:20:25 PM  

jmaster306: FTFA:
It doesn't necessarily mean that higher education causes autism. It gets you the diagnosis more frequently.

Diagnosed more =/= Occurs more


Thanks Jmaster. What you said needed to be put out there, as the headline is misleading.
 
2010-01-06 03:20:29 PM  
I used to wonder if Asperger's was real, or just an excuse to assign a syndrome to people who are a bit awkward.

Then I got laid off from my job and went back to school at a technical college taking courses in Photoshop, Illustrator, HTML, etc. There are some individuals who are more than just awkward, they have extreme difficulty communicating, and just don't seem to "get it" when it comes to certain social graces like not burping out loud constantly, etc.

I'm sure there are plenty of kids who are diagnosed as autistic to some degree after the lazy parents finally find someone to justify their bad parenting, but I'm not convinced from personal experience that Asperger's really is more than just being "a little awkward".
 
2010-01-06 03:22:46 PM  

fatassbastard: I'm sure there are plenty of kids who are diagnosed as autistic to some degree after the lazy parents finally find someone to justify their bad parenting, but I'm not convinced from personal experience that Asperger's really is more than just being "a little awkward".


Perhaps awkwardness has a common cause? It (being awkward) certainly has negative effects on the lives of the awkward.
 
2010-01-06 03:24:35 PM  

burka: basemetal: EviLincoln: Autism linked to career driven parents who let daycare and TV raise their kids?

No. Way.

Or put off having kids until all they have are those dusty old eggs. spazzy old sperm

FTFY

Autism is more strongly linked to the age of the father than age that of the mother. Women just need to mate with young men.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5768623


I wont argue with that.
 
2010-01-06 03:25:06 PM  

fatassbastard: I used to wonder if Asperger's was real, or just an excuse to assign a syndrome to people who are a bit awkward.

Then I got laid off from my job and went back to school at a technical college taking courses in Photoshop, Illustrator, HTML, etc. There are some individuals who are more than just awkward, they have extreme difficulty communicating, and just don't seem to "get it" when it comes to certain social graces like not burping out loud constantly, etc.

I'm sure there are plenty of kids who are diagnosed as autistic to some degree after the lazy parents finally find someone to justify their bad parenting, but I'm not convinced from personal experience that Asperger's really is more than just being "a little awkward".


As bizarre as it sounds even a toddler w/ exceptional organizational skills can be deemed as autistic because it's an outward symptom of something happening in the brain. Little kids brains aren't supposed to be that organized yet and can mean there's a mess waiting to come out later.

/Another anecdote, my great aunts would tell me how they would leave their sewing boxes out when I would visit because they knew I would organize them neatly
//I was 3-4 years old when I was living near these women
 
2010-01-06 03:25:19 PM  
Off topic, but are the "Progressives" on the warpath? There's some ad over to the top right, about telling Lieberman its "payback time" with a drawing that looks like its right from Der Sturmer.
 
2010-01-06 03:28:04 PM  

KatjaMouse: Gaseous Anomaly: KatjaMouse: I believe that my mother was in denial about my aspergers.
-.-.-
Accoring to Mrs. Anomaly's therapist, this sort of thing happens a lot amongst pros and the lay public alike. The therapist sees kids going undiagnosed until 10 or later, when the signs are all there from 2 or so. The parents deny there's anything wrong other than the kid might be "a little slow", until it gets too late to help the kid learn to talk, etc.
-.-.--.
She's a speech pathologist too so she noticed that I was slow to pick up on speech and language. How I made up sounds to mean things rather than use words or I would mumble and try communicating w/ my hands. At first she thought I was deaf because of this but then she chalked it up to being slow linguistically but that I was all around fine. After she worked w/ me to talk she assumed everything was going to be fine I guess.


Maybe since your mom was a pro dealing with kids with really severe problems, you looked pretty normal in comparison to the kids that couldn't even ditch the diapers. In relation to a full-on helmet wearing drooler, you seemed like a shining star-so she didn't worry much about it.
 
2010-01-06 03:30:02 PM  

TheGreatGildersleeve: Off topic, but are the "Progressives" on the warpath? There's some ad over to the top right, about telling Lieberman its "payback time" with a drawing that looks like its right from Der Sturmer.


The extreme partisan Democrats probably do feel it's "payback time" in a number of ways after the way the Republicans behaved during Dubya's two terms. I can understand how they feel, but I wish our elected officials would knock this farking shiat off and work together to solve some of the very real problems our country faces instead of just trying to block what the other party is proposing, as the Republicans are doing now and the Democrats did under Bush.
 
2010-01-06 03:32:01 PM  

Bonzo_1116: She's a speech pathologist too so she noticed that I was slow to pick up on speech and language. How I made up sounds to mean things rather than use words or I would mumble and try communicating w/ my hands. At first she thought I was deaf because of this but then she chalked it up to being slow linguistically but that I was all around fine. After she worked w/ me to talk she assumed everything was going to be fine I guess.

Maybe since your mom was a pro dealing with kids with really severe problems, you looked pretty normal in comparison to the kids that couldn't even ditch the diapers. In relation to a full-on helmet wearing drooler, you seemed like a shining star-so she didn't worry much about it.


Nope, she dealt w/ everyone ranging from derpers to the average kid with the unfortunate problem of being born w/ a cleft palette.
 
2010-01-06 03:32:03 PM  
Maybe autism is related to the mother drinking soy lattes?
 
2010-01-06 03:32:44 PM  

rev. dave: Maybe autism is related to the mother drinking soy lattes?


I'm more inclined to believe that than the vaccination theory.
 
2010-01-06 03:32:51 PM  

ggecko: I like the good old days when we just called them RETARDS.


Kind of like the good old days where we called people who heard voices in their heads, talked to people who weren't there and believed in invisible fantasy worlds what THEY were: "Mentally ill."

Now, I guess we're supposed to call them "religious."
 
2010-01-06 03:36:21 PM  

fatassbastard: and the Democrats did under Bush.



You might want to find another example. Very little of what Bush did should have been supported by either party...
 
2010-01-06 03:36:53 PM  

sesame: Something to consider...

Autism rates across the world (where it's tracked) has not increased as it has in the US:

http://www.tameri.com/csw/autism/Autism_Cases_by_Age.png


The United States is the ONLY country that allows Genetically Modified foods to be consumed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Genengcrops.gif

Now granted, correlation doesn't infer causation, however, this isn't even being studied. Me things it should.


Agreed.

www.fashion-res.com
 
2010-01-06 03:39:01 PM  

Autism is caused by exposure to Jenny McCarthy.



There, I said it.
 
2010-01-06 03:39:08 PM  

Shostie: oldebayer: If there are so many autistic kids, how come we don't have more good shows like St. Elsewhere?

They don't need to, since there is a conjecture that 90% of all TV occurs in Tommy Westphall's mind. (new window)


Nice link. It is refreshing to know there are other people with even more time to waste than me.
 
2010-01-06 03:40:05 PM  

MaxxLarge: ggecko: I like the good old days when we just called them RETARDS.

Kind of like the good old days where we called people who heard voices in their heads, talked to people who weren't there and believed in invisible fantasy worlds what THEY were: "Mentally ill."

Now, I guess we're supposed to call them "religious."


Now I remember why you are on my favorites list.
 
2010-01-06 03:41:44 PM  

basemetal:

Or put off having kids until all they have are those dusty old eggs.


It's long been known that the older the mother gets, the greater incident of many genetic diseases. Well educated and affluent individuals tend to have children when they are in a stable position to do so - usually later in life.

Wonder if there will be a eugenics issue when all the educated people are not only in the minority ala Idiocracy, but are often the least healthy individuals too.

/ asthma trends up
// allergies up (esp. deadly ones)
/// Maybe kids today ARE wusses, not just acting like ones ...
 
2010-01-06 03:43:28 PM  

ph0rk: EviLincoln: Autism linked to career driven parents who let daycare and TV raise their kids?

No. Way.

Linked to parents who have the money and education to get their kids a diagnosis.

It has been increasing since autism has been separated from the MR spectrum - less stigma, more free services.

/Socioeconomic Class - do you has some?


For some families an autism diagnosis is easier to face than an ED diagnosis. AND there is more money for the schools to treat the ED kids with money meant for students with autism.

You would find clusters where we live too as we live near the specialists providing care for our kids.

This is what we have received paid for by the taxpayer: Early Intervention programs for 0-3 after which the cost of OT, PT, Speech is taken over by the school district. (If the school districts are urban and well-funded as our school district is.)

Where did this idea that families with handicapped children get rich from handouts? Most families I know in this situation have been economically ruined by co-pays and/or insurance companies refusing payment for autism therapies after age 5. Autism mandates that have passed in states like IL don't apply to self-funded insurance policies. In many cases one parent has to give up employment to care for the child.

There is no monetary benefit to parenting a handicapped child. Don't let that be your get rich quick scheme.
 
2010-01-06 03:44:52 PM  
Looks like a recessive gene. High functioning mildly autistic math-nerd types have a greater chance of having low function highly autistic babies compared to normies.
 
2010-01-06 03:45:17 PM  

Bonzo_1116: KatjaMouse: Gaseous Anomaly: KatjaMouse: I believe that my mother was in denial about my aspergers.
-.-.-
Accoring to Mrs. Anomaly's therapist, this sort of thing happens a lot amongst pros and the lay public alike. The therapist sees kids going undiagnosed until 10 or later, when the signs are all there from 2 or so. The parents deny there's anything wrong other than the kid might be "a little slow", until it gets too late to help the kid learn to talk, etc.
-.-.--.
She's a speech pathologist too so she noticed that I was slow to pick up on speech and language. How I made up sounds to mean things rather than use words or I would mumble and try communicating w/ my hands. At first she thought I was deaf because of this but then she chalked it up to being slow linguistically but that I was all around fine. After she worked w/ me to talk she assumed everything was going to be fine I guess.

Maybe since your mom was a pro dealing with kids with really severe problems, you looked pretty normal in comparison to the kids that couldn't even ditch the diapers. In relation to a full-on helmet wearing drooler, you seemed like a shining star-so she didn't worry much about it.


This.
 
2010-01-06 03:45:26 PM  

KatjaMouse: I couldn't understand sarcasm until I was an adult


Maybe you're just Canadian
 
2010-01-06 03:45:51 PM  

KatjaMouse: Bonzo_1116: She's a speech pathologist too so she noticed that I was slow to pick up on speech and language. How I made up sounds to mean things rather than use words or I would mumble and try communicating w/ my hands. At first she thought I was deaf because of this but then she chalked it up to being slow linguistically but that I was all around fine. After she worked w/ me to talk she assumed everything was going to be fine I guess.

Maybe since your mom was a pro dealing with kids with really severe problems, you looked pretty normal in comparison to the kids that couldn't even ditch the diapers. In relation to a full-on helmet wearing drooler, you seemed like a shining star-so she didn't worry much about it.

Nope, she dealt w/ everyone ranging from derpers to the average kid with the unfortunate problem of being born w/ a cleft palette.


That's what I mean, she saw derpers every day(among all the other kids). Most people don't see derpers every day, and I'd imagine doing so colors your worldview quite a bit. I'm just saying it's likely that her range of what's "functional enough to get by ok" is a bit broader than the average parent.

You're obviously functional enough to post stuff here, and to have gotten yourself some help once you got out the house, so maybe your mom wasn't too off-base with her assessment. She probably could have been more helpful, but *that's* not anything new.
 
2010-01-06 03:47:37 PM  

Dreadskull: Looks like a recessive gene. High functioning mildly autistic math-nerd types have a greater chance of having low function highly autistic babies compared to normies.


That describes my family.
 
2010-01-06 03:49:52 PM  

MemeSlave: sesame: Something to consider...

Autism rates across the world (where it's tracked) has not increased as it has in the US:

http://www.tameri.com/csw/autism/Autism_Cases_by_Age.png


The United States is the ONLY country that allows Genetically Modified foods to be consumed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Genengcrops.gif

Now granted, correlation doesn't infer causation, however, this isn't even being studied. Me things it should.

Agreed.


i63.photobucket.com
 
2010-01-06 03:50:50 PM  
Hey, this is an Autism thread, where's the hot pics of Jenny McCarthy?
 
2010-01-06 03:53:01 PM  
Not technically autism but I do have Aspergers. I can tell you that about 95% of my "symptoms" I can track back to how I was raised. Yes, it was TV=babysitter (or full time existance other than school for me)+Ritalin-discipline that were chief causes. Does that count as a real syndrome? Tough call. Is it the same as real autism? No.
 
2010-01-06 03:53:31 PM  

Madame Ovary: ph0rk: EviLincoln: Autism linked to career driven parents who let daycare and TV raise their kids?

No. Way.

Linked to parents who have the money and education to get their kids a diagnosis.

It has been increasing since autism has been separated from the MR spectrum - less stigma, more free services.

/Socioeconomic Class - do you has some?

For some families an autism diagnosis is easier to face than an ED diagnosis. AND there is more money for the schools to treat the ED kids with money meant for students with autism.


I'd expect erectile dysfunction would be a hard thing for a child to handle.


You would find clusters where we live too as we live near the specialists providing care for our kids.

This is what we have received paid for by the taxpayer: Early Intervention programs for 0-3 after which the cost of OT, PT, Speech is taken over by the school district. (If the school districts are urban and well-funded as our school district is.)

Where did this idea that families with handicapped children get rich from handouts? Most families I know in this situation have been economically ruined by co-pays and/or insurance companies refusing payment for autism therapies after age 5. Autism mandates that have passed in states like IL don't apply to self-funded insurance policies. In many cases one parent has to give up employment to care for the child.

There is no monetary benefit to parenting a handicapped child. Don't let that be your get rich quick scheme.



Rich? No. Little jimmy gets a slight edge on his testing by getting an extra 15 minutes? Maybe.

Someone from the research group in TFA gave a talk about this stuff in a pre-publication state, "access to services" was one of the potential incentives for parents to get their kids a diagnosis - the assumption being that it is better to be autistic and diagnosed than autistic and -not- diagnoses. Whether the clusters are also full of non-autistics with a diagnosis or other non-cluster groups aren't getting diagnoses for their kids, it is hard to say.
 
2010-01-06 03:56:03 PM  
Had an interesting discussion with my daughters pediatrician and his opinion was that the autism rates are up due to parents having kids later. I think he was basing this on his practice.

/wish we could find a new pediatrician here as good as he was.
 
2010-01-06 04:02:14 PM  
WTF? A fark thread about autism and not one pic of jenny mccarthy?

For shame....
 
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