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2003-04-05 03:24:52 PM
I'm not sure whether I'm supposed to say "I'd hit it" or argue about computer platforms.
 
2003-04-05 03:27:05 PM
it's going to take a hell of a lot more than that.
 
2003-04-05 04:10:07 PM
The sad thing is, I saw most of those before they got "mac-ized" - the editing does not impress me. I am not impressed. Nope...
 
2003-04-05 04:14:48 PM
Esme, enjoy your DOS-based machine. I'll enjoy my UNIX-based Mac.
 
2003-04-05 04:28:36 PM
My drives are no longer floppy.
 
2003-04-05 04:31:13 PM
bah! farked already
 
2003-04-05 04:31:17 PM
site's farked.
 
2003-04-05 04:32:36 PM
How can this already be farked?

JEBUS!!

oh well, sour grapes..
 
2003-04-05 04:33:10 PM
Bravo.
 
2003-04-05 04:33:35 PM
where are the boobies
 
2003-04-05 04:34:10 PM
They're in my pants Riffraffxl. Just reach in.
 
2003-04-05 04:34:18 PM
Those Apple lightweights can't stand up to a farking! GEAH, don't go knocking computer platforms... I've crashed OS9 a boatload of times, I love the BSOD!! It was actually a smart move for Apple to realize they need more of an edge and really go UNIX... hope it works for them, M$ needs real competition (please?).
 
2003-04-05 04:34:47 PM
10 comments and it's already farked. FARK!
 
2003-04-05 04:34:57 PM
Must be running on a mac too. :P
 
2003-04-05 04:35:13 PM
And a good reason not to switch. (no boobies in link, sorry I know thats a sin in boobies comments)
 
2003-04-05 04:37:29 PM
Insert "chicks dig linux" joke here. I'm too lazy to dig up the pictures.
 
2003-04-05 04:37:37 PM
Make that the SBOD... ol'rue!
 
2003-04-05 04:37:54 PM
Untill more than 8 people use Macs, and I can play games less that 2 years old, and apple clones out the hardware, and stops attracting the 12 - 90 year old AOL crowd, then yea maybe i'll switch.
 
2003-04-05 04:40:03 PM
I have to use a mac for some stuff at work. It's got a mouse that is a complete circle, which is a real pain in the ass.
 
2003-04-05 04:40:12 PM
Am I the only one who felt the underlying message in the "Switch" ads was "if your to dumb to operate a real computer buy a Mac instead?"

they all centered around how the person couldnt figure out a PC but could use a MAC
 
2003-04-05 04:40:17 PM
Lokus, I think it's time to ask dad for that father-son chat.
 
2003-04-05 04:41:48 PM

Riffraffxl
Lokus, I think it's time to ask dad for that father-son chat./i>


Good One!

 
2003-04-05 04:41:53 PM
Obiquatro: Strong Bad of Death?
 
2003-04-05 04:42:48 PM
Oh well, back to HTML for Dummies...I'm only on chapter 5.
 
2003-04-05 04:44:01 PM
I wish! It would be so much more entertaining! Trogdor could come out and light your Photoshop project aflame... BURNINATE!
 
2003-04-05 04:45:51 PM
site's dead. probably running mac os.
 
2003-04-05 04:48:56 PM
Farkity Fark Farked...

Two Bits.
 
2003-04-05 04:50:42 PM
The site is down...how appropriate



Mac...Think Unstable
 
2003-04-05 04:56:20 PM
Anyone else seen this Apple Switch parody? (NSFW language)

"I be gettin' stupid wit my Mac..."
 
2003-04-05 04:56:39 PM
I have been a fore runner of pc but lately this computer has had me rethink the issue. I guess it is really a stable operationg system that I want. anybody got a good site on switching to linux. I have though about it but dont want to have to buy only linux compatible stuff then I would be in the same boat as apple people.

it is a shame that the pc is so popular becuase I like macs for the clean operations. of course this is from using a mac plus and the macs at school (which are very few)

the mac is a good system but I have to go with the majority as that is what the apps and hardware is being used for. I made that mistake with amiga along time ago, and before that atari st. doesnt matter if they were better, the machine has to be the majority.

still I route for the underdog here. pcs are always trying to be macs. just apple is always one step ahead.
 
2003-04-05 04:57:26 PM
play on a PC, work on a Mac... enjoy boobies on both
 
2003-04-05 04:59:51 PM
I always felt like i was thinking a lot slower when i used a mac, i was happy with much slower mouse scroll speeds...i set up my fps games to keyboard controls and was perfectly happy navigating a huge labyrinth of file folders to activate programs and files.....

ok, i have waited long enough for the boobies to load, on to the pc world again......

bye
 
2003-04-05 05:03:48 PM
farked
 
2003-04-05 05:05:41 PM
hehe here are a few more:
Apple switch
Switch ad 2
Switch ad 3

Unfarkable baby!
 
2003-04-05 05:07:15 PM
Exactly Bashturn. Me too.
Built my PC for gaming, everything else I do on my Macs.
OS X rocks btw.
 
2003-04-05 05:08:18 PM
HomestarJunior, you sound like the kind of a guy who thinks a lightswitch should require instruction to use.
 
2003-04-05 05:12:21 PM
If you're looking for some good pr0n shiat and good propaganda material, go here:

http://www.linuxforlesbians.org/
 
2003-04-05 05:13:11 PM
 
2003-04-05 05:17:09 PM
I wonder which one the girls love more.. Apple, or the money they got paid for endorsing Apple. Hmm.. tough question.
 
2003-04-05 05:24:38 PM
...My first accepted link to Fark, and it got farked. *whipes away a tear*
 
2003-04-05 05:25:55 PM
farked already...damn you all!

/getting over it already
 
2003-04-05 05:27:00 PM
OS X is an outstanding operating system, both in terms of ease-of-use and technical achievement. It's more stable than WinXP for sure, and allows you to pull up a terminal window and directly interact with the shell. That gets props in my book.

And when people say things like "Well it seems like the commercials are targeted for people who can't learn to use a PC", it's pretty much because they are. Apple's target market isn't sophisticated computer geeks (a small demographic), it's people who have some computer literacy to totally lost (a much larger demographic). People don't want to learn an OS or open up their computer and poke around, they want to net surf, check email or write a letter, easily. Same as driving a car.. They want to get to places, not learn how the engine works, etc.

Any OS X users out there - have you done much with the command prompt shell? What type of programming can you do with it.. Similar to KShell perhaps?
 
2003-04-05 05:29:35 PM
This, my worthy constituents, would appear to be somewhat Farked.
 
2003-04-05 05:29:55 PM
Tourney3p0, they weren't paid by Apple. They're Photoshopped desktop wallpapers of naked chicks hugging/standing/lying on Apple computers.
 
2003-04-05 05:34:25 PM
People don't want to learn an OS or open up their computer and poke around, they want to net surf, check email or write a letter, easily. Same as driving a car.. They want to get to places, not learn how the engine works, etc.

Which is exactly why people will continue to use Windows instead of Linux. Turn it on, click the internet explorer button, and off you go.
 
2003-04-05 05:38:43 PM
Also, there are many advantages that Windows machines have over Macs. First of all, I can build my own computer with spare stuff I have lying around the house. I can put that old Pentium 233 to work once again. Or, I can swap in that spiffy new video card I've been saving up for, and improve my performance. You just can't open up the box and do that stuff with a Mac. Also, while Windows allows people to use things easily, it also provides for plenty of tweaking, for the advanced users who don't want to switch to Linux. Plus, Windows has a bazillion more games than Macs, which right there will get plenty more people to buy it.
 
2003-04-05 05:45:38 PM
At work, we have to use macs. They all run OS 9 and I swear, that is the most unstable OS ever. I run win 2k, Red Hat 8, and Mandrake 9, and any of those are leaps and bounds better than any mac OS.
Macs: twice the cost, half the computing power.
 
2003-04-05 05:45:57 PM
Tawnee Stone is unfarkable. http://www.lightspeedgalleries.com/fg/ts/018/index.php?r=stile (nsfw)
 
2003-04-05 05:46:04 PM
[URL=http://www.cloud10.tv/cloud10_switch.wmv]Cloud 10 did a spoof[/URL] awhile ago, still like it.

I love Don Ron's face in this one!!!

:)

While on the topic of funny clips anyone watch Terry Tate Office Quarter Back? Why is it the off season?
 
2003-04-05 05:46:50 PM
Here's a new Natural Law to add to the books.

The more processes, applications and hardware a computer has running - the less stable it is. End of argument.

Buying a Mac and biatching about a lack of software is like sleeping on railroad tracks and being surprised when you wake up in three pieces.
 
2003-04-05 05:46:56 PM
http://www.cloud10.tv/cloud10_switch.wmv

again
 
2003-04-05 05:48:51 PM
GEAH:

Windows NT (3-4-2000-XP) are NOT built on DOS.

Nice Apple had to "steal" UNIX in order to get a symmetrc multitasking system they themselves could never come up with. And what is the percentage of said Mac users now using OS-X, much less using it WITHOUT having to revert to classic mode? (XP can emulate everything from MSDOS to WinME)

Meanwhile, I'll enjoy my PC, which does everything yours does, and thousands of times more, cheaper, faster, and with components and upgrades I choose.
 
2003-04-05 05:49:50 PM
Any OS X users out there

me
 
2003-04-05 05:50:10 PM
HomestarJunior:

You misspelled "your're."
 
2003-04-05 05:50:51 PM
B0rg9: Hey,dude! And of course my fave,
AniMollerSwitchad
 
2003-04-05 05:56:50 PM
Mac, PC -- it doesn't matter: Marquette is about to play Kansas. That's what important right now.

...and getting another beer.
 
2003-04-05 05:58:44 PM
Have those switch ads ever convinced *anyone* of changing?
What kind of retarded demographic are they targetting with these clips?
 
2003-04-05 06:01:22 PM
Have those switch ads ever convinced *anyone* of changing?
What kind of retarded demographic are they targetting with these clips?


Yes. The non 'computer people' demographic.
 
2003-04-05 06:01:36 PM
Legopowa, they're designed for people who see a computer as a tool rather than a hobby.
 
2003-04-05 06:03:20 PM
I haven't used Classic or OS9 on my TiBook in about a year now, Peterthx
 
2003-04-05 06:06:12 PM
Mac hardware and OS X rules, baby!!!
 
2003-04-05 06:07:11 PM
link is farked
 
2003-04-05 06:08:10 PM
GEAH

I'll enjoy my UNIX based PC running RedHat, has a floppy, with a mouse that has two buttons and a scrollwheel.

:)
 
2003-04-05 06:08:41 PM
Why to stick with Winders
SFW?
 
2003-04-05 06:11:31 PM
I'll enjoy my UNIX based PC running RedHat, has a floppy, with a mouse that has two buttons and a scrollwheel.

I enjoy my UNIX based Mac running OS X, sans floppy since it's useless junk, with a mouse that has two buttons and a scroll wheel.
 
2003-04-05 06:13:24 PM
GEAH Ok, I use Linux on my desktop, but my laptop is Windows. Is it DOS based? No.
So if you don'T know what the fark you're talking about, just shut up.
 
2003-04-05 06:14:44 PM
After 16 months, I had my first kernel panic yesterday. Porn looks so much better on a Mac. Fap Differentâ„¢.
 
2003-04-05 06:14:59 PM
Gepeto NICE! :-)
 
2003-04-05 06:15:18 PM
sans floppy since it's useless junk

That's true. Is the feeling of being ripped off after buying a Mac directly proportional to the feeling of stupidity after burning a CD with a 12 kb file on it since your iBox is sans floppy?
 
2003-04-05 06:16:28 PM
Peterthx:
I find it laughable that a Microsoft zealot such as yourself points fingers at others regarding "stolen" code. How exactly did Gates get DOS? Was it not Microsoft that was sued at one point for using scandisk and defrag without paying Norton for them? Also, Windows machines would have no internet connectivity were it not for BSD's tcp/ip stack. Apple bought NeXT, and OS X is currently driven by folks like Jordan Hubbard, co-founder of the FreeBSD project.

Personally, I use OS X exclusively on my Mac. I have no need to boot classic because all the tools I need, be they multimedia, e-mail and web, or unix, are all bundled in X. Let's see you run perl or python natively on your Windoze machine. How about a native ssh client on Windoze?

Oh, if you'd like to call me an Apple zealot, I should mention I run OS X, Win2k, Solaris 9, and FreeBSD at home, Solaris, Win2k, Irix and Linux at work, and have run PC Dos, Win 3.x, 9x, NT4, and Apple OSs going back to the Apple IIe.

In my 15+ years of computer use, I've never found an OS that was more reliable or more stable than OS X. And you'd be hard-pressed to find a company more reknown for remote exploits and vulnerabilities than Microsoft.
 
2003-04-05 06:16:58 PM
Tourney3p0 Uh... do you use computers that aren't on a network? I don't know, but for files under 500 megs, I usually don't bother burning a CD, and for 12kb files, why would I want to fark around with a floppy?
My desktop has no floppy
My laptop has no floppy
Actually, my laptop almost never has an optical drive.
 
2003-04-05 06:17:10 PM
At work someone brought in a Microsoft USB mouse and hooked it up the their iMac workstation (yep, that's not a typo) instead of the round POS. The right-click and scroll wheel both function, at least with the windows and browsers.
 
2003-04-05 06:18:46 PM
I love that "steal" comment by Peterthx.
He obviously hasn't a clue and seems to be unaware that the core of OS X (Darwin) is open sourced.
Apple has and is doing more for the open source community than Microsoft ever will.

Obtw, I haven't used Classic in forever. We recently upgraded out Pro Tools systems to HD hardware and OS X at work, so now I'm completely out of OS 9. YAY!

You PC-centric peeps better beware of the PPC970 chip coming this summer. Muhuhwhwuwhwuwhwa!
 
2003-04-05 06:18:48 PM
All I have to say about macs are:

 
2003-04-05 06:19:37 PM
My desktop runs XP Pro.
My server runs Solaris.
My backup box runs FreeBSD.
My workstation runs Slackware
By God I want a Mac though. I'm sure I'll find a use for it.
However:

My penis runs on boobies. Please remain on topic, and post more boobies. For that is the true reason of a *boobies* thread.
 
2003-04-05 06:19:46 PM
Gepeto:

Nope, I personally don't use computers that aren't on the network. But the Mac's target audience is people who know nothing about computers, and just want to turn it on and check their email. People like my mom.

Would you like to teach my mom to set up and properly use a network?
 
2003-04-05 06:20:57 PM
Tourney3p0
Isn't file sharing easy on a mac?
Like plug the cat5 and bam it gets an IP with APIPA and has a default shared folder?

well if it doesn't...it should..
 
2003-04-05 06:22:03 PM
My god people, you dissapoint me again. No "My PC ate my homework *beep* *beep*" Ellen?

I suppose I have to to a GIS for "ellen mac" now...hmmm...

 
2003-04-05 06:22:05 PM
Re: Floppies: Bleh. USB keychain memory stick/iPod/e-mail user and loving it. I haven't needed a floppy in years.
 
2003-04-05 06:23:13 PM
Yeah that's true, I use a friggin USB key too. easier than floppy
 
2003-04-05 06:23:29 PM
Gepeto:

It certainly should. And even if it does, try teaching Ellen Feiss how to use it. See how well people like her understand networking theory.

Just in case it's a little over their head, that floppy drive is sure nice to have.
 
2003-04-05 06:25:01 PM
Glad you were able to go out and buy that USB keychain, Sherkhan. After paying thousands too much for a Mac, what's another 50 bucks or so? I bet it'd be nice if Apple started bundling a way to transfer files.
 
2003-04-05 06:25:34 PM
Anyways, I don't care, I just like Flamewars.
 
2003-04-05 06:26:10 PM
A USB key came free with my Thinkpad though.
 
2003-04-05 06:26:10 PM
Wow, Shank, that is one stupid-assed link you posted. Ironic that they have pictures of the HALO marine in their site banner, being that that game was originally supposed to be released for OS X and Windows back in 2001 by a formerly respectable company that at one time released games for the Mac EXCLUSIVELY.

Now here we are 2 years later and the PORT for those platforms isn't even out yet. "It'll be out soon, it'll be out soon, we're the same company doing things the same way, we still respect our customers, blah blah blah..." yeah right, Bungie. The only people who still believe you are dumbasses. Stupid Microsoft.

Then again, I don't play a lot of games any more nowadays. I suppose I can thank Bungie's greed for weaning me of that habit.


I always felt like i was thinking a lot slower when i used a mac, i was happy with much slower mouse scroll speeds (what??)... i set up my fps games to keyboard controls (well, this has nothing to do with anything) and was perfectly happy navigating a huge labyrinth of file folders to activate programs and files.....

You know, your argument doesn't really work when you compare Macs from 3+ years ago to PCs of today. Hey, maybe you were just slow when it comes to thinking to begin with, eh?


And all you "Site's dead, must be running on a Mac" dipsticks, what the hell? Are you saying you ACTUALLY THINK something like IIS on a Windows server, for example, is more stable than something like Apache or some other, you know, GOOD server software running off a system with a Unix core? Pull your head out of your ass and take a deep breath of reality, please.

Macs haven't been unstable (at least, no more so than the current incarnation of Windows) since OS 9, people.


And the point of the Switch ads, I believe, is not to say "Only stupid people who can't figure out computers use Macs." It's that a computer should be easy to use and intuitive for ANYONE, that it should "just work." What's wrong with that? Why should something be harder to do than it has to be? What does one gain from taking the more difficult of two paths? I'm not gonna argue that it is or is not necessarily TRUE of Macs, of course (your opinion on this may differ from mine or someone else's, after all), but that's what the point of the campaign was.


I don't know if this is a flame or what, but please note that I did not once trumpet something like "Macs are great, they have no flaws, and anyone who uses a PC is stupid," because that's no more true than a lot of the same blah that's already been exhibited in this thread from the other side of the argument.

This is really just a criticism of some moronic views that dumb people continue to hold, despite being blatantly false, a few specific dimwitted individuals, and Bungie, those bastards. But, a lot of people will probably take this as a generalized attack against PC-users in general instead, even though that wasn't the intent, so I'll just preemptively call each and every person who does an "idiot" ahead of time so I don't have to do it later.


Cue the "Arguing on the Internet is like being in the Special Olympics" picture...
 
2003-04-05 06:27:26 PM
 
2003-04-05 06:27:38 PM
Would you like to teach my mom to set up and properly use a network?

Maybe not your mom, but I have done just that before. It's not hard. A few check marks in Sharing and Network and that's it.
 
2003-04-05 06:28:22 PM
At home I run an iMac flat panel with OS X. I love this thing. I rarely boot classic (except to run Finale workbook edition cause I'm too cheap to buy a full version even though I'm a music major). At work, I'm "the Mac technician." I run a G4 tower there. I hate the circular mouse, but whatever. I also have to do hardware and software diagnosis on our windows xp machines. I also work with Mandrake, Red Hat and Slackware Linux.

Out of all of these, I love the Mac(s) for my personal computing needs. However, I'm very impressed with Mandrake and Slackware. Windows bites. Causes too many headaches.

Any Farkers use Yellow Dog Linux on your Apples?
 
2003-04-05 06:28:45 PM
Ouroborus:

How much did you charge to teach that to someone? Not everyone has a personal technician at hand.
 
2003-04-05 06:29:41 PM
04-05-03 04:40:12 PM HomestarJunior
Am I the only one who felt the underlying message in the "Switch" ads was "if your to dumb to operate a real computer buy a Mac instead?"


Hmm, I thought this was the message back in 1985 with the gui and no back end to a command-line. I also remember the same reason being used by Linux users toward Windows users. Ah, well. You'll never see me touch a Mac. Now, if they'll port more games to Linux, then maybe I can yank out all the borg electronics stuck in me.
 
2003-04-05 06:31:50 PM
Robotninja, the game wasn't spectacular and who the hell cares about *one* game anyway? Blaming a corporation like Microsoft of being greedy is just stupid, all companies including Apple and Bungie are out there to make money. You here on Earth dude?

And what is so complicated about PC's? That their mouse's have two buttons?
 
2003-04-05 06:32:52 PM
QUICK1, I disagree with you on your "cant upgrade macs" thoughts. I can go and buy a video card and drop it in my g4.. as wall as any HD or Ram that I want. I can upgrade the processor if I want. Granted, you cant just pop out the processor that comes with the machine and put a new on in its place.. but I think Apple will get to that at one point. Dont tell me you cant upgrade a mac. You might then say "well you cant upgrade the iMacs or the eMacs".. well yea.. you cant really. But thats what you get for such an amazing machine in both engineering and asthetics. The iMac is like nothing out there and in order for it to be that, you have to leave some options out like massive upgrading. I remember when the Cube came out and people biatched and moaned about not being able to upgrade anything in it except the ram. I have heard of people dropping dual processor upgrade cards, more ram, and new vid cards in those and they love em.
 
2003-04-05 06:33:13 PM
How much did you charge to teach that to someone? Not everyone has a personal technician at hand.

I didn't charge anything. I did it when I used to do phone support at Apple.
 
2003-04-05 06:33:22 PM
I don't think I've ever met anyone who threw their hands up in disgust and said "Windows XP is too difficult to use!" And if I did meet such a person, they probably wouldn't be capable of stimulating conversation anyway.
 
2003-04-05 06:34:34 PM
And by the way people.. that site is not farked already. It is just increadibly slow. I have been to that site before and it is almost unusable because its so slow. I dont know what they are running for a server but they must have nothing for bandwidth. Maybe the site is being run off of a ISDN line? Pretty sad. Nice pics though.
 
2003-04-05 06:35:08 PM
I bet it'd be nice if Apple started bundling a way to transfer files.

It's called the "Internet," jackass, and everyone can use it.

Using a floppy for anything today would be like continuing to use the Pony Express to have a conversation with someone in another state 5 years after the telephone became widely available.
 
2003-04-05 06:35:24 PM
Granted, you cant just pop out the processor that comes with the machine and put a new on in its place.. but I think Apple will get to that at one point.

TwitchOSX, are you not familiar with companies like Powerlogix and GigaDesigns(?), et al?
 
2003-04-05 06:37:00 PM
Robotninja:

I think you mean that it's called the "intranet". I shudder to think that I'd have to send my files out to some external location, go to another computer, and then download them once again from somewhere outside my network.

I think you're incorrect (and you're the jackass), but if not then Apple needs to reexamine its priorities.
 
2003-04-05 06:37:50 PM

While I pledge allegiance to no particular platform, what I find unpleasant about Apple is the raging
pompousness of many Mac owners. It's as if the sun rises and sets with Apple. I've actually had people tell me I
was retarded for trying to do basic web design on a Windows machine. I know I'm no design genius but I find
that a pc can do pretty much everything I'm looking for. Come on y'all, get off that high horse,
Also there seems to be a lot of misinformation surrounding the fabricated bulletproof properties of Macs. I've
had people tell me that Macs cannot become infected with viruses and will never crash. Speaking as someone who has seen Macs crash I can attest to the fact that they are NOT granite-solid, and it's easier and much cheaper for the average computer user to recover their Windows based OS.


I'm no fan of Bill Gates and I'm well aware that MS compromises some security for user friendliness, but I've had
a lot of luck with MS OSs.

 
2003-04-05 06:39:13 PM
If I got my current Graphite iMac 600/256 for just under a grand, how did I spend thousands too much?

I'll not debate relative merits of OS's mainly because Windows users are at a marked disadvantage and Linux is, by its very nature, a UNIX wannabe.

I will dispel myths and FUD.
 
2003-04-05 06:40:14 PM
Uh, WTF happened to my spacing? I guess I should go get a Mac.
 
2003-04-05 06:40:45 PM
Ouroborus, of course... they make G3 and G4 upgrade CARDS. You cannot replace the processor that comes with a mac. You can however, install an upgrade CARD with a new processor on it which will override the processor built into the motherboard.
 
2003-04-05 06:41:56 PM
OS X is also, by its very nature, a Unix wannabe.
 
2003-04-05 06:44:40 PM
Close Tourney3p0. It. Is. Unix.

RagingLeonard: :-)
 
2003-04-05 06:45:55 PM
I upgrade memory and hard disk storage on the Macs at work every so often when I need to. Those are probably the two most common upgrades people do. I've pulled cheap SDRAM from PC's and thrown it in the Macs without a problem. The latest generation of Macs use IDE drives so that's less of a hit on the wallet than back in the SCSI days.

I still hate those silly old generation iMacs my boss seems to collect off of ebay. I don't like having to literally unplug the thing when it locks up. Nope, holding the start button to reset sometimes doesn't even work.
 
2003-04-05 06:47:00 PM
RagingLeonard "Speaking as someone who has seen Macs crash I can attest to the fact that they are NOT granite-solid, and it's easier and much cheaper for the average computer user to recover their Windows based OS."

HA!.. its easier and much cheaper for the average computer user to recover their windows based os?!? Dont even try that. For years until what.. WinXP.. you couldnt even boot your computer from your CD! From what I know, you still cant boot from a ZIP drive.. which I had to do one time on my mac to save it. But then you assume that its easier and cheaper to recover a windows machine? Ever heard .. "Time is Money"? The last place I worked, we had a couple PC fark-ups and it took the system admins hours upon hours to re-install Win2k and get around all the hardware issues and shiat like that. If it were a mac and the system took a dump, I would put in the system restore CD..(not flooppy) and boot from the CD.. and run the restore app. Then wait 20 minutes and I'm back on my way. 20 minutes, not 4 hours. You tell me thats more difficult and more expensive? I think not.
 
2003-04-05 06:47:35 PM
SherKhan:

If you think OS X is Unix, you must know nothing about Unix.
 
2003-04-05 06:47:37 PM
Universal Computer Truths:


Linux / Unix = King of Web Hosting and Development.

Macintosh = King of Graphics and Video Editing.

Windows = King of Universality and Marketing.


All three have their ups, if you dont want to do heavy Graphics or Video work, don't buy a Mac. If you dont want to deal with an OS that is insanely easy to exploit and reprogram, dont buy an IBM. If you dont want to use an obscure operating system that you need a Guru friend to figure out, dont install Linux on anything.

Quit you're whining about which is better, they're all good, although in my opinion (as a Linux and Macintosh user) microsoft made a mistake doing away with their command prompt being a big part of their operating system. I love that X finaly has one, and use a Konsole more than I use the GUI on my RH box.

Each of us needs different things from a computer, so quit your whining about the others and just use yours!


-Nicoli

(PS: Any Linux Geeks out there who want to war over Distros, I fully support that practice! RedHat forever!)
 
2003-04-05 06:52:33 PM
SherKhan:

OS X is based on NeXTStep, which Apple likes to tell its users is based on FreeBSD. Technically they're right, but it's still not Unix.

"But Tourney3p0, you're a goddamn liar! I need to know your proof!"

Well Johnny, NeXTStep runs on top of Mach, which uses a BSD filesystem and the standard BSD shells. Most of the system calls from Unix were missing however, and it was not POSIX compliant. Later on however, NeXTStep started tossing in more "ported" code. It was hacked in and not from a true Unix, and only meets 1 API out of 3 to be considered Unix. But to its credit, OS X is more of a Unix than Mach. Good job, Apple.
 
2003-04-05 06:54:30 PM
You people haven't done it yet, so:


 
2003-04-05 06:54:53 PM
Just for fun and because I don't really care what anyone uses besides myself, here's a funny story from slashdot:

http://ohlssonvox.8k.com/fdd_raid.htm
 
2003-04-05 06:56:22 PM
Robotninja, the game wasn't spectacular and who the hell cares about *one* game anyway? Blaming a corporation like Microsoft of being greedy is just stupid, all companies including Apple and Bungie are out there to make money. You here on Earth dude?

Yeah yeah, I know I know... the point there was that something that SHOULD have been and was going to be available for many was instead made only available for a select few. I know it makes business sense, and the point of a business is to make money. But... 2 years later, man! Surely you can see the irony I was talking about (in relation to Shank's post basically being about gaming), right?

And FYI, as I understand, one of the reasons it didn't live up to the hype when it did come out was that they had to cut corners, both technologically and creatively (especially creatively), to get it to work on the X-box when Microsoft wanted it to ship.

And what is so complicated about PC's? That their mouse's have two buttons?

My mouse has two buttons and a scroll wheel too. What of it?

Course, I didn't at any time say "PCs have (n degrees) of complication." (I'll assume that we're talking about Windows here) Yeah, they are a hell of a lot easier to use today than they've ever been. This is true of both systems now. If you ask me, XP is simplified in many of the wrong places and ways ("dumbed down" is a better word... it's less like a streamlined tool and more like an annoying nanny), but that's just my opinion.

I don't think Windows is as complicated as it used to be, and I don't think the gulf that seperates it in ease-of-use terms from Mac OS is as wide as it once was. I think a Mac is still easier to use and more intuitive (again, my opinion), though, and even if the degree of difference is very small, there's still no reason why I or someone else who feels the same way should use something that's more complicated and/or less intuitive (this being a bigger issue than overall difficulty of use, IMO).

BUT, I'm not a gamer, which is an important thing to keep in mind when it comes to my opinion.


I don't think I've ever met anyone who threw their hands up in disgust and said "Windows XP is too difficult to use!" And if I did meet such a person, they probably wouldn't be capable of stimulating conversation anyway.

Gah, did I SAY Windows XP was "too difficult to use?"

My response to Sunwalk works for you too, except from reading your other posts in the thread, it should probably include more insults. Add them in where appropriate.
 
2003-04-05 06:57:11 PM
What about the boobies people!!! I dont care if your running red-dog-slack-jawed-mandrake-Xp-2002...If it doesnt have a pretty face and some nipples underneath, then its irrelevant. Bring on the BOOBIES!!
 
2003-04-05 06:57:20 PM
"you must know nothing about Unix"

And you would be correct sir! :-)

Gotta go baby-sit some bratwursts.

Chow....
 
2003-04-05 06:59:41 PM
Thank you, BloodyL.
 
2003-04-05 07:01:16 PM
What a giant bunch of nerds we all are. We turn a delightful b0obeez link into a OS flamewar.
I surrender.
Have fun.
 
2003-04-05 07:01:19 PM
[i]Linux is, by its very nature, a UNIX wannabe.[/i]

You're telling me that a free, fully featured text and graphical OS, along with customization out the ass without the whole "arcane" nature to it is inferior to the old bloated OS that Unix is today?
 
2003-04-05 07:02:50 PM
You PC-centric peeps better beware of the PPC970 chip coming this summer. Muhuhwhwuwhwuwhwa!

Look at the cost of the high-end G4s now on sale, and tell me: how much do you think the computers using that will cost?
 
2003-04-05 07:03:04 PM
Well Johnny, NeXTStep runs on top of Mach, which uses a BSD filesystem and the standard BSD shells. Most of the system calls from Unix were missing however, and it was not POSIX compliant. Later on however, NeXTStep started tossing in more "ported" code. It was hacked in and not from a true Unix, and only meets 1 API out of 3 to be considered Unix. But to its credit, OS X is more of a Unix than Mach. Good job, Apple.

Say, maybe I spoke too soon about you. Backing up at least some of what you say with facts. Good show (no sarcasm intended).

However, "based on" isn't the same thing as "is.

But hey, both Mach and X are still more Unix than Windows is, correct? ;-)
 
2003-04-05 07:05:43 PM
I transfer files from my PowerBook to my WinTel desktop by using my iDisk. No problem. By the way, my OS X machine has never crashed. I can't say the same for XP. Also, with XP I've had to deal with driver problems for almost every single peripheral device I have, even though the manufacturers claim that Windows 2000 drivers will work. For the most part they don't.
 
2003-04-05 07:10:09 PM
think you mean that it's called the "intranet". I shudder to think that I'd have to send my files out to some external location, go to another computer, and then download them once again from somewhere outside my network.

*raises hands*

Hey, you got me, I did indeed mean "intra-" rather than "inter-." Originally I'd just typed something like "network," but then I changed it for some reason. Mistake on my part.

Like I said, I see now that you make some good points about some things, so I apologize for the "jackass" remark.
 
2003-04-05 07:16:51 PM
I'm the resident computer guru for most of my friends and relatives who don't really know what they're doing when it comes to computers. I started in 1981 on a Commodore Vic-20, learned my way around the Apple ][e,moved to a C-128, then an Amiga. They respected my vast knowledge and I liked being thought of as a guy who knew computers.

Well, I won't touch their Windows boxes any more. I hate it because it makes me feel that I can't 'figure Windows out', but in reality, I could, I just don't care to. The last time I dealt with it, it took 18 hours to install Windows 98. fark that. I don't need to waste my time bothering with that when I could be using a machine that works.

I'd rather do work on my computer than work on my computer.
 
2003-04-05 07:21:44 PM
CigaretteSmokingMan:
AND how many peripherals are we talking about exactly?

You sound like you don't know what you're doing.
 
2003-04-05 07:22:44 PM
 
2003-04-05 07:26:03 PM
 
2003-04-05 07:26:42 PM
Courtesy Linux for Lesbians, of course.
 
2003-04-05 07:26:45 PM
But... 2 years later, man! Surely you can see the irony I was talking about (in relation to Shank's post basically being about gaming), right?

The video showed that no good games come out on Macs. You refute this by referring to a good game that didn't come out on the Mac. Good job and welcome to the Internet.
 
2003-04-05 07:29:09 PM
 
2003-04-05 07:29:54 PM
for shame..... not one NSFW link in this entire boobies post....

please turn in your fark account and key chain when you leave
 
2003-04-05 07:30:49 PM
Speaking for myself (which I usually do), I have gotten my MCSE twice now (for NT 4.0 and 2000), I've been a loyal PC user for years, and defended Microsoft against my Linux running cousin who seems to think that anyone who doesn't bow down before Linux has some sort of mental retardation.

I will further say that I actually like XP as an OS. However, after the numerous security updates that have wreaked havoc on my personal machine (and forced us to go to Red Hat Servers at work after our 2000 Servers were abused on a regular basis), I've actually just ordered a new Powerbook this week.

I've had a little time to sit down and play with OS X 10.2, and frankly it is the coolest thing I've ever seen. The ability to open up a terminal and go to town is stellar, and really, I'm able to run MS Office X, which is the only program I was concerned about porting over. Now granted I am not a gamer, but I think personally that for the things I do, the Mac is going to be a vast improvement over my PC.

That said, It sucks that UPS doesn't deliver Saturday, and that I have to wait til' Monday to get my sweet new machine.
 
2003-04-05 07:32:33 PM
I meant to add, on the Office X thing that even if I couldn't afford Microsoft's bloated program running on OS X there is always 'Open Office' f0 free. So really, Open source wins out.
 
2003-04-05 07:32:51 PM
Farked.
 
2003-04-05 07:33:56 PM
here is one from a wired story a while back...

 
2003-04-05 07:39:45 PM
Teh womenz will sex my case!



I'd honestly like to see a woman with bubble lights running up her... legs, boobies, other places.
 
2003-04-05 07:42:49 PM
I'd COMMAND-OPTION-SHIFT hit it!
 
2003-04-05 07:43:50 PM
and another...

 
2003-04-05 07:50:08 PM
Robot elders, execute function control shift kill
 
2003-04-05 07:50:40 PM
Wow, that G4 girl! Who doesn't like her BIOS?
 
2003-04-05 07:51:20 PM
You can bring the analogy of computing platforms to motorcycles. MAC users are like Honda or Yamaha owners. They like to get from point a to b quickly and in style.

PC users are like Harley owners. They like the to tinker with 'en to get the best performance. They may run kinda funky (potato-potato) but that's part of the attraction!
 
2003-04-05 07:51:25 PM
I use a mac and i personally think if playing games all the time is a proiority you should buy a console and especially now that they connect for internet play. The only advantage i see in a pc is Kazaa and i got that running on my mac via virtual pc. i also think floppies are useless and even dell now realizes this and is giving away the usb keys with systems. if you have a file smaller than a MB you should just e-mail(or im) it since even my crappy college e-mail will do that.
 
2003-04-05 07:51:26 PM
Everyone grows out of games eventually, not that I have any trouble finding good games for my Apple anyway.

There could be 10 million titles and it would really make no difference as there are only a few really good games worth buying anyway. Games work better on a Mac anyway, meaning a regular Mac vs. a regular PC.
 
2003-04-05 07:53:58 PM
Day Old Dutchie

that comparison would work if Harley's were mass produced and dirt cheap. Harley's are the cream of the crop, yes, good for tinkering, but when you buy one you don't have to go through the process of upgrading everything. When you buy a Harely you pretty much get what you are looking for and pay a little more, like Apple computers.
 
2003-04-05 07:55:39 PM
It's funny to hear all these anti-Mac arguments. I haven't read one thing on this page that is actually true and not just some "it's different so I don't like it" garbage. If Bill Gates shiat in your mouth you'd gobble it up.
 
2003-04-05 07:57:17 PM
I'm gonna shove my firewire cable in your pci slot!

 
2003-04-05 07:58:17 PM
Iollow:

I take it you're one of the masses who believe OS X is Unix, just like brother Steve tells you.. right? Either that or you didn't read my post. After all, you haven't read anything that is true.
 
2003-04-05 07:59:33 PM
Heh. "Mac can't be beat". That's true, so long as you choose to ignore the little things like price, availability, software selection, etc.
 
2003-04-05 08:02:06 PM
 
2003-04-05 08:09:04 PM
TwitchOSX


You CAN swap out CPUs. I upgraded my G3 from a 266 to a 333 by swapping CPUs and changing a jumper for the higher speed.
 
2003-04-05 08:09:45 PM


Here's the only bug I've seen on a Mac. The PC bugs were larger and uglier.

Window's 95 logo was created with "Freehand" on a Mac as were Intel's Flying Pentium Ads. As were Gateway and Dell's print advertising... and Window's advertising were all designed on a Mac as were INTEL's IBM office buildings in Canada. Windows Sources and Computer Shopper magazine, Basic Visual and even NEXT magazine were all done on Macs. Windows have been trying to emulate macs for quite some time now... It's amusing to see the general public bicker over which one is the "best" platoform and operating system. Endgame: You're comparing a shiny slick sports car with a boring beige Ford that nobody supplies parts for any more. (The PC is the Ford). Sure, everybody finds it cheaper to run and operate PCs but that's usually because everyone on PC has less money to space and likes to rip off software and swap it with their friends. PC's are great for simple tasking and for 3D rendering. Mac's are superior for 2D art and general use. The ONLY gripe I could have with Macs is that there is no software included that allows one to defrag their drives. You need to buy that from a third party such as Nortons. PCs are generously priced these days but I can run "Virtual PC" on a Mac should I need to. Anyone with a mac can always spend a few extra bucks to get a PC to use on the side but why bother? A PC needs to be told exactly what to do with a file and what kind of file it is... a Mac can usually figure it out all by itself. I rarely see viruses for the Macs... they are immune to all the Outlook Express versions too. Can you believe they still make Beige PCs? What's up with that? If you want a computer for everydays use or to render 3D on, buy a PC. If you want one with the same abilities but a little more ease of use and a more attractive interface and design, shell out a couple more bucks and buy a Mac. It's really no big deal... they both surf porn although due to the Gamma on a Mac, porn will always look better on a Mac.


Six Engineers and a Train (Apple Joke)
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Three Apple engineers and three Microsoft employees are traveling by train to a conference. At the station, the three Microsoft employees each buy tickets and watch as the three Apple engineers buy only a single ticket.

"How are three people going to travel on only one
ticket?' asks a Microsoft employee. "Watch and you'll
see," answers the Apple engineer.

They all board the train. The Microsoft employees take their respective seats but all three Apple engineers cram into a restroom and close the door behind them.

Shortly after the train has departed, the conductor
comes around collecting tickets. He knocks on the
restroom door and says, "ticket, please." The door
opens just a crack and a single arm emerges with a ticket in hand. The conductor takes it and moves on.

The Microsoft employees saw this and agreed it was
quite a clever idea.

So after the conference, the Microsoft employees
decide to copy the Apple engineers on the return trip
and save some money (being clever with money, and
all that). When they get to the station, they buy a single
ticket for the return trip. To their astonishment, the Apple
engineers don't buy a ticket at all.

"How are you going to travel without a ticket says one perplexed Microsoft employee.

"Watch and you'll see," answers an Apple engineer.

When they board the train the three Microsoft
employees cram into a restroom and the three Apple
engineers cram into another one nearby. The train
departs. Shortly afterward, one of the Apple engineers
leaves his restroom and walks over to the restroom
where the Microsoft employees are hiding.

The Apple engineer knocks on the door, "ticket, please."

__________________________________________
 
2003-04-05 08:12:05 PM
What class of software is unavailable for the Mac? DTP? Video? Games? Music? Scientific apps? What can any other machine do that a Mac can't?
 
2003-04-05 08:12:14 PM
Tourney3p0:

Software selection is a vague term. True, wintel has more software, but who cares when it is little piddly apps and other useless/badly written crap. I'll make an exception for a few games. Analogy: I have more oranges but half are rotten. The software argument is kinda weak.

Availability. I don't have a problem finding a mac to buy.

The price is greater. However, I'm willing to pay more for something which depreciates slower.
 
2003-04-05 08:14:58 PM
What's it running?


As you can see, it's not a Mac and it's not Windows. It is Apache (most stable web server software that has ever existed), and it is running on a Linux box (freakin' unbelievably stable).


The host is a company in Switzerland, and that's where the problem probably lies.


I use Mac OS X, on my 1Ghz TiBook, and i'm practically the envy of the rest of my TechSupport group (who all use Dells with 2K/XP). Mac OS 9 was great, as long as it didn't crash. But Mac OS X is unbelievable! My uptime (not counting restarts for installations) is easily months.


Oh, I've got a PC with XP, but why bother? I only need one PC app (Remedy for our help desk ticketing system), and I use Remote Desktop from my Mac so i don't even have to touch the PC. But if I was really peeved at the PC I'd just use the web interface.


As for games? Bah. That's what I've got a PS2 for. ;-) More and more games are coming out for consoles first, and then personal computers.


Now, can we get back to the Farkin' B00BIES!!!!


Geeze... OS flame wars, who needs 'em... :-p
 
2003-04-05 08:15:15 PM
Farked. Probably running Windows IIS that caught a virus - SAWS (Sudden Acute Windows Syndrome).

Don't know where some of you are getting your misinformation, but processors are not installed in Mac motherboards. They're ZIFs (zero insertion force) and can be easily removed and replaced with faster CPUs. MACs don't become obsolete in a couple of years like PCs do

If you think that Windows XP is so great, I hope you realise that not only are you sharing everything on your computer with Microsoft, which has always been the case with Windows, but now also with the government.
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/3/11/124732/806
 
2003-04-05 08:18:03 PM
Billy_D_Goat:

"I'll make an exception for a few games."
Exactly. Update your analogy.
"PC: I have a thousand oranges but a few are rotten.
Apple: Would you like to see my orange?"

As for availability.. I meant availability in the public.

How do you figure it depreciates more slowly?
 
2003-04-05 08:19:56 PM
Tourney, do you have any Mac experience at all?
 
2003-04-05 08:25:13 PM
SherKhan:

Yep, I sure do. The iMac is the most worthless piece of "advanced machinery" I've ever used. I've also used a G4 dual gigahertz that we were testing for use in a digital video lab. I don't know if it was the video card or the monitor (probably the LCD) but DVD's were blotchy and the text would stick around for half a second after it left the screen.

When I called Tara, our Apple rep, she told me this was normal for the LCD and if I wanted video editing quality machines, I'd have to add an extra 500 for a monitor upgrade to a 19 inch CRT. This raised the price to $4500 for hardware and software. So instead of spending $90,000 on Apples, we spent $28,800 on Dells and the teacher couldn't be happier. This also had the added benefit of giving us an extra $60,000 to spend on other things. We allocated 5 grand of that for future upgrades to make sure it lasts the next 10 years.
 
2003-04-05 08:26:39 PM
Tourney3p0:

Games are not the only software which exists.
Apple has more than one app which runs on the platform.
I still fail to see the availability argument. If you want a Mac look in the phone book or the internet and you are bound to find a few places to buy one.
Macs have slower depreciation when one examines the average replacement time. wintel-2yrs. mac-3yrs. I still use my 25mhz quadra as a web server...works like a charm and it is 10yrs old.
 
2003-04-05 08:28:33 PM
While we're on that subject by the way, I'm sure you know there are no eject buttons on those DVD writer combo drives they ship. Clicking the eject button in iMovie (or was it iTunes?) and some other media program I've forgotten the name of did absolutely nothing. The only program I could find to open it was Final Cut Pro. An eject button sure would have been awesome.
 
2003-04-05 08:30:16 PM
Look on the keyboard.
 
2003-04-05 08:32:15 PM
Billy_D_Goat:

"I still fail to see the availability argument. If you want a Mac look in the phone book or the internet and you are bound to find a few places to buy one."

Where do you get your average replacement time, by the way? Apple's pride and joy is the education market, and anyone in education knows there's no budget to replace computers every 2 years. The national mandate right now is that it has to be on a 5 year roll out plan (According to the upcoming No Child Left Behind plan, or whatever it's called).

And I fail to see how your quadra matters. If someone were so inclined, they could set up Personal Web Server on an old 486 running Windows 95. It couldn't take a lot of abuse, but neither could your Quadra.
 
2003-04-05 08:33:06 PM
The keyboard had no eject button, volume buttons, etc. It was a standard black keyboard.
 
2003-04-05 08:34:24 PM
As for availability.. when I said public, I meant finding them out in the wild, in use.
 
2003-04-05 08:35:24 PM
Interesting. I've heard that LCDs suck for video and that is a significant price difference.. As far as that "worthless" comment goes, I'll have to disagree. I do plenty on mine, from editing video (consumer level of course) to standard rip/mix/burn to downloading and burning .exes for friends with dial-up and just today I was playing a little Warcraft III. As I posted earlier, I just had my first kernel panic after 16 months. Check re-sale prices on used Macs to see the depreciation factor.
 
2003-04-05 08:41:04 PM
I'm looking at my keyboard and over the number pad there is:
lower volume
raise volume
mute
eject
 
2003-04-05 08:43:16 PM
I wonder how long it will take M$ to make a cheaper, nastier version of iLife and .Mac.

Yes, I have to pay $100 anually for .Mac but considering what it comes with it is well worth it.
 
2003-04-05 08:43:46 PM
Tourney3p0: I know you're going to think this sounds dumb, but the way you eject discs is by dragging their icon into the Trash.

BTW, if anyone can help me with this -- everytime I put a CD into the G4 I edit with at work it automatically starts playing. I have to open iTunes to get to a "Stop" button. Is there a setting or extension to disable for preventing this?
 
2003-04-05 08:46:27 PM
B0rg9: In OS X System preferences/CDs DVDs/ poke around.
 
2003-04-05 08:46:48 PM
Worst. thread. Evar.

JOHNDX
, can you get some dirt up in this joint?
 
2003-04-05 08:47:50 PM
B0rg9: Yes, go to System Preferences/CDs DVDs/ and where it says "When I insert an Audio CD:" set it to Ignore (in the drop down menu).
 
2003-04-05 08:48:27 PM
In OS 9 (if I remember correctly, it's been a while) it's in a control panel. Disable autoplay.
 
2003-04-05 08:48:34 PM
Er, make that "When I insert a Music CD".
 
2003-04-05 08:49:03 PM
Tourney3p0

Yes, as SherKhan said check the resale value on macs. Ebay is a nice place to start. As for using a third party keyboard, there are many utilities available to turn say the f12 key (if you are in os x) into the eject key.

Availability as you have described it-I still don't see how this makes a wintel machine "better."
 
2003-04-05 08:50:04 PM
By the way, my bratwurst were delicious. Sauerkraut and mustard, yummmm.
 
2003-04-05 08:55:53 PM
Thanks Wubbya and SherKhan. It's OS 9.1 that I'm running.

Sher, were they Johnsonville brats? Those are the only kind I get anymore.
 
2003-04-05 08:59:00 PM
 
2003-04-05 08:59:37 PM
Brett Larson: TechTV's Flaming Mac Guru
 
2003-04-05 09:05:27 PM
Microsoft's Sweating PC Guru

 
2003-04-05 09:06:04 PM
More reasons?

That would suggest that there were reasons in the first place.
 
2003-04-05 09:07:08 PM
BOrg9 -
Go to the iTunes Preferences (not System Preferences), and in the General tab, set it to Show Songs on insertion of a CD. Sounds like it's set to Begin Playing on insertion of a CD instead.
 
2003-04-05 09:09:41 PM
I hope you realise that not only are you sharing everything on your computer with Microsoft, which has always been the case with Windows, but now also with the government.

Normal users don't give two healthy shiats.
 
2003-04-05 09:10:23 PM
A Johnsonville brat for Memphomaniac! Good call.

Well, I've got a twelve pack that ain't gonna drink itself. Bon noir.
 
2003-04-05 09:16:51 PM
I can't believe how many idiots thought OSX only supported mice with one button.
 
2003-04-05 09:23:48 PM
Cool, thanks Memphomaniac. 99.9% of the time I'm putting audio CDs in the drive it's because I'm importing audio in another program and not because I need to listen to it with the iTunes player.

Oh, and this thread's gone on entirely too long without a boobies link (nsfw). Yea, I know it's just a links page but they're decent links and there's little to no pop-ups.
 
2003-04-05 09:24:36 PM
I clicked on this thread looking for chicks, and all I found was a nerdy flamewar.

farking nerds...
 
2003-04-05 09:28:13 PM
Cool B0rg9! I liked Kitana and Gauge best. Yum!

*hears beer calling*

Yes Dear, I'll be right there...
 
2003-04-05 09:30:59 PM
Tourney3p0

You will lose more money than you saved in lower productivity and downtime.
 
2003-04-05 09:32:56 PM
TOO.MANY.FANBOYS

really people, c'mon!

I use the PC for gaming, Mac for everything else, and dont say im stupid for getting a Mac cuz its pricy because i bought it for $350.

PERSON 1: I HAVE BETTER STUFF
PERSON 2: NO, I HAVE BETTER STUFF!
PERSON 1: NO, YOUR STUFF SUCKS!
PERSON 2: SCREW YOU, YOUR STUFF SUCKS MORE!
PERSON 1: YOU SUCK
PERSON 2: SCREW YOU!
PERSON 1: MY DICK IS BIGGER THAN YOURS!
PERSON 2: NO, MY DICK IS BIGGER THAN YOURS!
etc.
 
2003-04-05 10:13:37 PM
If I buy a Mac, people will come and steal all my shirts?
 
2003-04-05 10:21:40 PM
 
kez
2003-04-05 10:24:32 PM
very nice
 
2003-04-05 10:27:19 PM
I had to use OS 9 during high school. The only PCs we had were pentium II 400 mHz. I've heard good things about X, but haven't tried it yet. The problems i've always had with macs were few, but still annoying.

1. That little round mouse. The hand uses a twisting motion when you're browsing with your arm stable. A round mouse rotates with your hand, whereas an elongated mouse gets brought around in an arc and actually moves the cursor.

2. The one button thing. Click and hold, yeah, but i'd rather just have another button to bring up a menu than wait a whole second, especially when menus need to come up a lot. This one isn't a biggy, since it can be fixed easily, like the other mouse problem, but I farkin hate it.

3. Crashes. Blah blah stability, whatever. XP and OS 9 crash like 30 year old helicopters. But at least XP tells me details, like gibberish and the file involved. The I have a clue what's happening. OS 9 and previous, and maybe even X since I haven't used it, are frustrating as all hell. "Woops, some sort of error has occured." No shiat, genius! With XP sometimes I can put it off and hide the window while I finish some of the shiat I'm doing, like if IE crashes my computer while I'm typing a paper. Mac is just boom and restart. No options, you can only restart the computer, or click on that button which sometimes does nothing. Crash, "Woops, etc. (OK)." Click on ok, the button highlights for a second, and that's it. Thank you, I'll take my bullshiat with a lump of sugar if you please.

4. Keyboard sound control. You're listening to something, the computer freezes for a sec, and the sound stutters. It's happened to everyone; it blows. This one is actually not platform specific, I just farking hate it. When your computer's frozen, how the fark do you turn down the sound with the computer? It's not like laptops (both) or Macs have detatchable speakers you can just unplug.

Having used both platforms from scratch (no prior experience, or teaching), I've found Windows is just more intuitive. By just searching around for shiat I want to adjust, like display-wise or something, I've found a big issue. Windows puts it's shiat where you can get it if you look, and is labelled appropriately. Macs, from my experience, put it in the most arbitrary places. I had to search for 10 minutes to try and find how to switch the background on a mac once. I felt pretty stupid afterwards, but the "display" portion of the mac's stuff had brightness and contrast in it, and I think that was about it. Like someone said, Macs have good video/graphics power, but I've just never been able to make it do what I want.

And aside, you know it's really funny when people call Windows "Windoze" like it's some sort of effective insult. Just go take a nap, Groucho, all that expenditure of wit must've left you exhausted.
 
2003-04-05 10:33:34 PM
 
2003-04-05 10:35:52 PM
"And aside, you know it's really funny when people call Windows "Windoze" like it's some sort of effective insult."

I'm just glad we made it this far without seeing "Micro$oft".
 
2003-04-05 10:38:17 PM
Sputnik456:4. Keyboard sound control. You're listening to something, the computer freezes for a sec, and the sound stutters. It's happened to everyone; it blows. This one is actually not platform specific, I just farking hate it. When your computer's frozen, how the fark do you turn down the sound with the computer? It's not like laptops (both) or Macs have detatchable speakers you can just unplug.

Actually, my Mac has detachable speakers. And even if you have a Mac that doesn't, a PowerMate can act as a Volume wheel. Or you could buy other speakers that have volume wheels. It's easy, really.
 
2003-04-05 10:58:39 PM
DBeniston

ya really

Sputnik456

i can eliminate #1 & #2 easily tho: 1) gotta agree with ya on that one, the little round mouse sux, but you can always buy a cheap standard one, or you can do what i have, a Microsoft (can ya believe it?!?) mouse i took off of a dead pc of mine.

2) see #1

3) Ive never had a problem with any mac that had been built since 1998 and used at least mac os 9. If a program crashed, then it crashed, returning you to the desktop. Same could be said for Windows pc's, everybody has had unstability problems until maybe NT 4 or XP came out, but really.

Otherwise, Mac OS X is a charm and ive never had any problems with it since day 1, same with XP (tho i did crash it once, somehow).

So...who gives 2 flying shiats?
 
2003-04-05 11:01:44 PM
Zaphod42:

How do you figure money will be lost because of "lower productivity and downtime"? First of all, all these people are on salary. If something goes down, the technician gets up out of his chair and goes from making money sitting around to making money doing something useful. Whether the school's computers are all down or all working flawlessly, the technicians get paid all the same.

As for lower productivity.. it's a SCHOOL LAB. This isn't Taiwan. The children don't have to spend their days making money for the govermnet (yet). There's not one shiny red cent of profit or loss, even if we bought Commodore 64's.

But, for the sake of argument, even the teacher (who has used Macs for the last 20 years) agreed that the $1400 Dell with a single P4 was twice the machine as the $4500 Mac with dual gigahertz. Truthfully I was afraid she'd be afraid of dropping Final Cut Pro cold turkey and going to Premiere, but she didn't mind at all once she saw how much better the machine performed in general.
 
2003-04-05 11:13:35 PM
I wish to offer only this: I'm keeping an eye out in case of a future laptop purchase. Now granted, those Centrino systems are pretty scorching (though I'd much rather see nVidia do a Mobile nForce with the same features), but they're also the high end of the laptop market. I need cheap.

I also need video editing capability. I can get a barebones iBook for $1000 (though I'd personally go a couple hundred extra for a CD burner), or I can get a cheap HP for a little more. But I get Firewire built in on the iBook, and have to go buy a card for the HP (not to mention Linux distro and trying to get Kino or Cinelerra running -- no way in hell I'm running Windows on my hardware).

No, not conclusive. But competitive.
 
2003-04-05 11:13:47 PM
<b> 04-05-03 06:39:13 PM SherKhan
If I got my current Graphite iMac 600/256 for just under a grand, how did I spend thousands too much?</B>

Haha. The fact you don't know why that statement is funny speaks volumes.
 
2003-04-05 11:15:07 PM
Dual 1.42GHz PowerPC is only $2699.00, you can substitute the other components for more affordable ones.
 
2003-04-05 11:21:32 PM
unless you have them already.
 
2003-04-05 11:27:07 PM
Rants about MAC vs. PC in 3...2....1. Oh Wait what the hell?
 
2003-04-05 11:50:37 PM
Tourney3p0

Someone (the teacher) who switches from final cut pro to premiere does not serve as a good example. This individual obviously has very low post production needs. Hands down, FCP is a better app. The one thing premiere might have is faster rendering of effects. That's it. Maybe if your teacher had been switching to Avid on a PC I could give the story a little credit.
 
2003-04-05 11:57:11 PM
Macs are more expensive, but you only buy them once.

My G4 is over two years old. It still smokes. I've never had a single crash in OSX. It runs for months at a time, even when I fire up Virtual PC.

My optical mouse has a wheel and 8 buttons. If you want to hack me, you have to be able to touch it.

I don't use the Mac for games. For the cost of a high-end video card I bought an XBox and a PS2.

Zealot? Perhaps. I've had nothing but positive experiences in 10+ years of using Apples for work and pleasure. I've used PCs longer, though. I don't want to deal with them on my own time. Parts are parts, though- and building a killer box doesn't take much know-how or money. But Windows sucks. Either way, regardless of your OS you WILL have to work harder and do more to get anything to run on a PC than you will with a Mac.

In my experience, most sneering anti-Mac folks are either geeks that think a machine needs conbstant hands-on tinkering to be viable or that there needs to be a healthy warez scene to make it worthwhile (not that Mac software is hard to "come by.") Or they are gamers.

I'd never buy a Mac for gaming. But I use it for everything else.
 
2003-04-06 12:40:40 AM
Fark all y'all!

PC= Piece of Crap!
 
2003-04-06 12:42:27 AM
"Macs are more expensive, but you only buy them once."

Kind of like peeing on an electric fence. The smart ones never do it again.
 
2003-04-06 12:42:44 AM
The only reason I reboot my macs at all is because of the software updates that Apple provides (free, most of the time) that increase speed or generally offer things that make my life better. Other than that, I wouldn't have restarted any of them in the past 9 months... and one is running multiple websites with relatively high traffic volumes. X rocks. Easily the best OS for a present-day computer.

Since installing XP on three different machines at our office, I've done nothing but troubleshoot problems with drivers, seemingly daily update "patches" from Microsoft, and virus removal for the stuff the "patch" didn't fix. All while my macs sit there and smile at them.

Good for you Windows guys (and girls) for having so many pieces of software to pick from. Too bad that 99.44% of it's crap that won't do what you want no matter what. Sure I have less mac software to choose from. But what I buy works. Pretty much every time. Right out of the box.

Wanna play a game? Get a PS2 or GameCube. Or an XBox for that matter, if you feel you must give ol' Bill a buck or two. That's fine. That's what they're for. They're also around $200 or less. And the TV you already own is the monitor. Why would you want to build a computer with parts costing $1000+ to do the same thing, then add a monitor? Lemme know. I'm curious.

And for the rest of the folks that want to join this arguement (or any of the other billion or so PC/Mac arguements on the web, turn down your iPod when you type. It'll help you concentrate.
 
2003-04-06 12:47:09 AM
Because I farking like my goddamn Battlefield 1942 mods?
 
2003-04-06 12:52:07 AM
Wanna play a game? Get a PS2 or GameCube. Or an XBox for that matter, if you feel you must give ol' Bill a buck or two. That's fine. That's what they're for. They're also around $200 or less. And the TV you already own is the monitor. Why would you want to build a computer with parts costing $1000+ to do the same thing, then add a monitor? Lemme know. I'm curious.

Because the vast majority of people don't build a computer just for gaming. That's what's so stupid about Mac users. Their response to all of Apple's shortcomings is "Yeah, but all I have to do is go buy ". With a PC, you don't HAVE to go out and buy . It's already there. And just because your Apple costs "$1000+" doesn't mean a PC does. You can build a very capable PC for well under a grand. Or if you're not technically inclined, you can buy a great machine for a shade under a grand.

We don't HAVE to go out and buy floppy drives, or USB memory cards, or consoles. It's all there, ready for use. If we want a USB reader or a PS2, well then more power to us. We can certainly afford them with the money saved in not buying a Mac.

How much is Virtual PC going for these days? I'm certainly glad acquiring a copy of Virtual Mac will NEVER be on my list of things to do. How the hell do people get so brainwashed that they think that paying much more money and going through much more effort just to achieve the same result is such a great idea? I guess that's "Thinking differently".
 
2003-04-06 12:52:56 AM
For Tourney3p0

"

Please let go of my joystick!
 
2003-04-06 12:53:28 AM
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ISDN It Still Does NothingÂ

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COBOL Completely Obsolete Business Oriented LanguageÂ

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LISP Lots of Infuriating & Silly Parenthesis MIPS Meaningless Indication of Processor SpeedÂ

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GIRO Garbage In Rubbish OutÂ

MICROSOFT Most Intelligent Customers Realize Our Software Only Fools Teenagers
 
2003-04-06 12:54:11 AM
But if it doesn't really work in the first place, how is it ready to use?
 
2003-04-06 12:55:09 AM
Chesty:

Please prove that it doesn't work in the first place. Not just a "But back in 1994 it took me 8 hours to install Win3x ROFLLOLLOL~!!" Seriously. Can you not use Windows? Millions of people do it just fine daily with no problem at all.
 
2003-04-06 12:55:53 AM
let me try that again:

 
2003-04-06 12:56:18 AM
"Let me try that again". Perhaps the most often spoken phrase among Mac users?
 
2003-04-06 01:03:19 AM
Or the famous demo of windows 98 plug and play ;-) At least we try and refrain from doing it in public!
 
2003-04-06 01:03:34 AM
I'm not the one with the problems. I'm the guy they call to fix the problems.

Funny thing is, most of the time the errors are between the keyboard and the chair. Which is the reason that I'd rather have all macs in an office than PC's. If 95% of users are novices regardless of how long they've been using computers, then why not keep the confusion level low? I'm not against Windows or Microsoft or Linux or any other system, just I've found that Macs can do the same quantity of work with the same (or usually in my case) better quality, at half the work for me. To me that's worth an extra few bucks.

Gotta run - got a kid with a nosebleed...
 
2003-04-06 01:09:22 AM
Ok - he's plugged...

One more question, then I'll read your responses and go to bed.
Why do PC users knock macs? If we only have 5% of the computer market, and as many authors, historians, and others have said for years, is a "dying regime" for publishers, then why bother? Why is this such an issue? Why not just go about your business "knowing" that you're computer is superior, and leave us to our macs to be ignorant by ourselves?

I mean no disrespect to anyone, so please don't flame me, just answer. I'd really like some legitimate responses on this...
 
2003-04-06 01:11:11 AM
Oh I'm sorry! Did I just windows all over your screen?

 
2003-04-06 01:11:28 AM
"Funny thing is, most of the time the errors are between the keyboard and the chair. Which is the reason that I'd rather have all macs in an office than PC's. If 95% of users are novices regardless of how long they've been using computers, then why not keep the confusion level low?"

If the problem is with the operator, then it's a non-issue. A computer is a tool for most people. Just like a circular saw, a bench grinder, a back hoe, etc. Would you let an employee work on any of these with little to no knowledge of them? I'd certainly hope not.

If an employee whose job requires them to use computers doesn't know how to use a computer, he or she probably shouldn't get the job.
 
2003-04-06 01:13:13 AM
Billy:

No, you didn't. You IE3'd all over the screen, which can be run in Wine and a host of other emulator products without Windows.
 
2003-04-06 01:16:33 AM
If an employee whose job requires them to use computers doesn't know how to use a computer, he or she probably shouldn't get the job.

I didn't hire them, I just get the "pleasure" of dealing with them. And this isn't an isolated thing. Every company I've worked for in the last 8 years has been literally brimming with computer-ignorant people. They use them every day to do a repetitive task, but stray one eyota from the norm, and all hell breaks loose. Most people want things to happen magically, which doesn't work on PCs or Macs. So the platform has nothing to do with it.

In my perfect world, everyone I hired would have better than just a working knowledge of a PC OR a Mac. I don't care which. Just work. Dammit.
 
2003-04-06 01:16:35 AM
Billy:

Because there's something highly ironic about all of it. Mac users talk about how inefficient PC's are in regard to performance (though there's no evidence in years to suggest this), but at the same time pay more money for less features to get the same thing done.
 
2003-04-06 01:17:10 AM
That was to you Chesty, not Billy. Sorry.
 
2003-04-06 01:22:02 AM
I think this sums up where this thread is heading...
 
2003-04-06 01:23:01 AM
Let me guess.. "Let me try that again".
 
2003-04-06 01:23:31 AM
Gotcha tourney -
But that's my point exactly. Why does it matter to you? Is my using a mac bothersome, or in some way hindering the PC using world? You don't accidentally pick up Mac versioned software for your PC at Best Buy. My ADB cables aren't usually mistaken for PC serial cables. My point is, if I'm only "hindering" my own user experience (which I don't think I am, BTW), why does it seem to hork off so many other people?

And one comment to Micah476, the round mouse WAS a stupid idea. God help you if you're in a dark room.
 
2003-04-06 01:25:04 AM
exactly! though i think it is more due to the time of the hour and the individual typing than the computer...
 
2003-04-06 01:27:04 AM
 
2003-04-06 01:28:41 AM
Chesty:

Because it's annoying as hell. People like efficiency. People hate Macs for the same reason people hate SUV's. For much less (time, money, effort, whatever) you could accomplish the same thing.
 
2003-04-06 01:29:30 AM
You mean Apple is still in business?
 
2003-04-06 01:29:58 AM
Billy:

Nice Windows 98 screen there. What OS was Mac using back in 98? OS 8? Ah yes.. the pride of Apple. OS 8.
 
2003-04-06 01:33:33 AM
Mac = <3
Windows = teh cry. ;_;
 
2003-04-06 01:34:03 AM
Tourney:

Smile, Steve Jobs loves you too!



WWSJD?
 
2003-04-06 03:03:42 AM
I kind of find this link usless. let's face it. anybody who fights over which computer operating system is better, will only see the girls on his screen and never in real life.

I use a pc becuase it is there. I use a PC becuase I built it and every one before it (really apple needs to let clones come in if they want to win) I use a PC because it is the most compatible with everything. you say "I own a computer" people assume you own a PC. you have to tell people you own a Mac and most of the time you will get funny looks.

honestly though. a PC running OS X or anthing more stable then win98 se ( I have win xp pro but can never get it to run as smoothly a win98 does now.. Guess the clean install is not just a recommendation) plus I really do think 512 megs of ram should be enough for any damn system. "give me a break, bill gates. trim the fat on that biatch, she eats too much"

I host of other things. like I have to fix a problem that was not there the night before. what the hell is that all about. suddenly a .dll makes a break for it and disappears. this isn't SingSing

I like my PC but I want a OS that wont give troubles

let the flames rise
 
2003-04-06 03:08:02 AM
the picture was in reference to tourney's comment about mac os 8. oh well. win some, lose some.
 
2003-04-06 03:08:43 AM
I said it once and I will say it again.
 
2003-04-06 03:11:08 AM
I'd give a fark...FOR A DOLLAR!!!!
 
2003-04-06 03:20:48 AM
AARG!! Who F$@KING CARES! PORN! Its about PORN! Where are the PORN LINKS!!! DAMNIT! France sucks.
 
2003-04-06 03:22:13 AM
"Kind of like peeing on an electric fence. The smart ones never do it again."

IMG I love that one, I almost choked on some pop from that one
 
2003-04-06 03:40:10 AM
I don't know about you guys, but if a boobies link gets farked, I come to the thread for help.

I am having a hard time masturbating to the thread.
 
vid
2003-04-06 05:16:14 AM
This is way late in the thread to mention it, and unrelated to most of this discussion (other than that iMac ports picture) but it is always worth pointing out every time it comes up:

Anybody who uses the made-up written word "ghey" is so very gay.

That is all.
 
2003-04-06 05:21:16 AM
Amiga rules the planet forever.
 
2003-04-06 09:26:19 AM
I'll bet this thread has the highest virgin quotient of the day.
 
2003-04-06 09:38:35 AM
I'm with Compton.
however, it's sad that the AMIGA USERS were the ones that basicially killed the Amiga. it was anything i could have wanted.
 
2003-04-06 10:28:11 AM
You people are far to obsessed and defensive about your products, it's a machine idiots.
 
2003-04-06 11:05:58 AM
The ignorance displayed in this thread surpasses even the worst religious and political discussions on Fark. I'm impressed!
 
2003-04-06 11:56:38 AM
Never had 'too' much problems with Macs. They look pretty and "AI'ish". They probabaly cry for their mommies too. Macs also have a tendency to not have programs and games that I am use to, like any of them.

Um.. oh and another thing. What is with that Mac mouse? Looks like a cow hoof. Everytime I move it around with its one click, I extect it to moo. It's like one of those go-kart gas petals at an amusment part. Two speeds: Go fast or stop fast. Ironic that the software is something I never had problems - with it's Fisher-Price ease of use. I think it is the hardware that I have a few issues with. Macs seem to be generally paranoid about having straight edges on any of their hardware, from their speakers to their many many accessaries. Perhaps if Macs had a straight edge, they fear they might be sued for a Mac user cutting themselves. :)

It's all in jest. I just grew up with PC's and like knowing that I can go inside one of them and them not being sealed up like it's a leftover from Rosewell. :)
 
2003-04-06 12:07:27 PM
How does my stylish ProMouse look like a hoof?
 
2003-04-06 12:31:26 PM
I like having a choice.

Both platforms are good and both platforms have their problems, but nobody's being forced to use one typical machine.

Unix, linux, blahblahblah, I don't understand that stuff, but I respect it for allowing people to have even more choices.
 
2003-04-06 01:43:03 PM
Dual 1.42GHz PowerPC is only $2699.00, you can substitute the other components for more affordable ones.

My P4 2.4 Windows XP machine cost me a little over 600 USD, of course I built it, and I used parts from my previous machine to run it.
 
2003-04-06 01:58:21 PM
Penny wise and pound foolish.
 
2003-04-06 02:30:25 PM
"Kind of like peeing on an electric fence. The smart ones never do it again."

IMG I love that one, I almost choked on some pop from that one


Yeah, it's funny because it's just a smartass comment that doesn't address the issue. Over the lifespans of my Macs, all I have done to modify them is to add more RAM and add'l harddrives. Not upgradeable? I have 512 MB of RAM and 2 harddrives with plenty of room to add more of both.

Pay attention long enough and you will notice that most anti-Mac people have either never used them, used obsolete ones, or just think market share=quality.

You might also notice that the most ardent of Apple's fans become so because they have actually used PCs. I wouldn't love my Macs nearly as much if I hadn't spent so much time in PC land.
 
2003-04-06 03:55:54 PM
Tourney3p0: No, people hate SUVs because they pollute the environment and waste natural resources. People who buy Macs do so because they recognize the value of a well-designed OS. If you can't appreciate that, then just don't buy a Mac. Happy?
 
2003-04-06 08:16:17 PM
Wataru:

"Waste natural resources". Exactly.
Like when you drive an SUV 20 miles and use a gallon and half of gas, versus driving a Civic and using half a gallon.

Or to simplify it for you, like paying 2 grand for a Mac versus paying 750 for a PC. Is it really that hard to check your email in Windows?
 
2003-04-06 09:11:24 PM
a $750 PC that will be obsolete in 2 years.
 
2003-04-06 09:35:47 PM
Obsolete in what respect? I'm sitting on a 700 mhz laptop right now that I've had for 4 years.. there's not a thing it won't do. At work I'm using a 350 mhz AMD machine that's using parts that are about 6 years old. I just bought them last year for about $100 altogether.

I don't understand why Mac cultists honestly believe computers become obsolete after 2 years. Is it because of a quota? "After 5 useful programs come out, your computer becomes obsolete." Is that why Macs last for 15 years?
 
2003-04-06 09:50:22 PM
I guess so, it will take M$ at least 15 years to get to where OSX is, can't wait for Panther to come out.
 
2003-04-06 09:58:33 PM
My friend, a long time Mac user, bought a PC laptop to use for games and C++ (which can be done under os x but you need codewarrior or other stuff) and is about $1000 into paying off its $1600 price tag. He was very happy with it for the first month he owned it. That was all before he tried actually using it. It very quickly became aware to him that there were several huge flaws in his system. First, his screen will inexplicably not function on every other restart! Second, due to some incompatibility with XP and his video card all of his UT engine based games function at improper rates. He will move like lightning for 3 seconds and then be stuck for 6. (Over and Over) Third, XP doesn't appear to ship with microsoft office!! Those penny pinching biatches! he has to use notepad for all his word proccessing. And last but not least, BestBuy, where he bought the piece of junk, will not take it back! They blame his problems on a lack of virus protection software and offer him no solution other than purchasing a $60 copy of norton! He goes on the net about 10 mins in a month, as he uses his mac for email/web/p2p, and they still say that's all the time it would take for him to recieve lethal viruses. He, who was previously a quiet mac user, now cries out in pain when people around him suggest buying a new wintel box, and with good reason.
 
2003-04-06 11:41:19 PM
I thought there were boobies here. I don't care about "2 mac or not 2 mac".
 
2003-04-06 11:54:59 PM
"I guess so, it will take M$ at least 15 years to get to where OSX is"

And where is that? On top of a (very poor) Unix clone? That's how Linux with XFree86 is right now.. and has been for years and years. That runs on Intel architecture, by the way.

Skelator:

Your friend is an idiot. Why?
1) He paid 1600 for something, ANYTHING, without researching it. If he's doing games, he shouldn't have bought an HP laptop with a Trident 4 meg shared video memory card. Hell, he shouldn't have bought a laptop period for games. A 600 dollar desktop would have suited him much better.

2) Second, a "screen refusing to function" isn't because of Intel, Microsoft, or any other software. It's because of faulty internal electronics. Chances are, Apple monitors share some of the same parts as the LCD he's using.

3) Third, they're telling him his monitor won't function because he got a virus? You're either lying, or your friend needs to be removed from the gene pool for believing them.
 
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