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2003-04-05 10:30:57 AM
"The press makes it out that we getting ambushed and are at a standstill. Get the word out that it is b------- cause we are killing these a------- by the hundreds, and they are no match for us at all. Be proud of us and we are all safe"

OMG......
 
2003-04-05 10:31:58 AM
I am mostly in the rear and that's where I wanna be when I get back, if ya know what I mean.

*nudge nudge wink wink*

/going to Hell
 
2003-04-05 10:49:28 AM
Wow, WorldNetDaily. A news outlet that's more biased than Fox. Hooray!
 
2003-04-05 10:51:28 AM
Anybody else having problems with Fark being farked today? :(
 
2003-04-05 10:52:48 AM
No Marine I've ever known would smoke Marlboro Lights.
 
2003-04-05 11:00:29 AM
Get the truth out...we are killing them by the thousands...and we are killing and killing and killing and killing and well sweety you get the idea...we just keep killing.
 
2003-04-05 11:04:13 AM
Wydok: Yep, something's not right -- again.
 
2003-04-05 11:04:15 AM
Wydok, it's been that way all morning long. I blame the squirrels.
 
2003-04-05 11:28:04 AM
I hope no other countries see some of these letters.
 
2003-04-05 11:31:46 AM
"I hope no other countries see some of these letters."

I hope countries like Syria, Iran and N. Korea read these letter. Oh, and France too.

Can you imagine the nerve of these soldiers? Killing the enemy! What the fark are they thinking?
 
2003-04-05 11:42:45 AM
This just *has* to be the crappiest piece of propaganda I've ever read -- does anybody believe this shiat?
 
2003-04-05 11:43:30 AM
What ever happened to sympathy, or reluctance. I'd think it'd be hard to kill a person. Being boastful of kills just seems wrong to me.
 
2003-04-05 11:46:21 AM
But then again, the Army attracts a certain type of people.
 
2003-04-05 11:49:14 AM
SuperCool: On the battlefield, sympathy gets you killed. You have to put yourself in the right mindset for battle, and that doesn't allow for much humanity.
 
2003-04-05 11:51:35 AM
500,000 soldiers served in the first gulf war. 148 Died. Thats less than the mortality rate back home in the US at the same time period.. in other words it was safer to join the war, than to stay at home...wonder if the situation is the same in this war.
 
2003-04-05 11:52:31 AM
"What ever happened to sympathy, or reluctance. I'd think it'd be hard to kill a person. Being boastful of kills just seems wrong to me."

The military would fall apart if soldiers cried and felt guilty every single time they killed someone. So they do the opposite: they have an immense pride of doing their job so they can continue on. Psychological thing.
 
2003-04-05 11:58:24 AM
if you're interested in a interesting read on the psychological effects of killing and whatnot, pick up a copy of "On Killing" by David Grossman. It examines how troops think they'd react, how they do react, how training influences those reactions and so forth. I don't buy into some of his reasoning, but overall it's an interesting read if you're interested.

/back to your regularly scheduled debate.
 
2003-04-05 11:59:32 AM
/me looks up synonyms for 'interesting' to make his post work better

bah...it's early
 
2003-04-05 12:12:40 PM
Online PDF Sample of On Killing

I haven't read the book, though. Just found that on Google.
 
2003-04-05 12:29:48 PM
I could make some cute political statement here, but I just hope that guy makes it home to his little wife and makes his home in...like he wants to.
 
2003-04-05 12:37:20 PM
"I blame the squirrels"

naw, it's them fvcking P1Gz! I tell ya. What sucks is MIKE & Drew are in Seattle.....hope HPZ & Jeff can get things back up.

SuperCool "I hope no other countries see some of these letters."

"Saddam and his s--- heads are really bad people and the civilians get killed if they don't help. We've had people raise white flags and pretend to surrender then open up on us. They use women and children as human shields. It's horrible what these people have had to endure over the last 20 years. But we are here and we are going to take care business and we are smashing through resistance every step of they way"

I do.

 
2003-04-05 12:39:04 PM
equivalent from an iraqi soldier (if they had e-mail on the front lines, which I'd be farkin' surprised if they did)

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Hey my little piece of baklava,
These american infidels are a bunch of a_____ we are killing them all the time. The godless invaders are discovering that they are no match for the faithful to Allah.
Don't believe the news reports. These americans claim that they are killing each other, rather than admit that we are killing them. Soon we will have killed them all and they will stop invading our country.

I can't wait to come home and smell your burkha...

- M.
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I reckon that the iraqi and the american would probably have a lot in common if they just sat down and had a chat over a non-alchoholic beer and a cigar...

War. Uh huh. Uh Huh. What is it good for?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
 
2003-04-05 12:39:47 PM
when someone out there is shooting to kill you, killing them isn't as hard as you think.

It's you or them, what's it gonna be ?
 
2003-04-05 12:41:45 PM

you're right Black_Dog,

 
2003-04-05 12:46:33 PM
[b]Vegasj:[/b]

And what about all the things that have been solved without violence, through negotiation?

the disarmament of south africa? the end of apartheid in same?

Ghandi's peaceful protests for human rights in India?

Martin Luther King?

who's to claim after the event that it had to be that way?

C'mon brothers, c'mon sisters, just give peace a chance!
 
2003-04-05 12:48:53 PM
Agreed, VegasJ, except that war hasn't ended communism. War contained communism in Korea, and the threat of war contained it in the USSR and Eastern Europe. Social-economic reality is what brought down Russian communism and will bring down China's eventually. Dunno about North Korea and Vietnam though, they're just farked up.
 
2003-04-05 12:55:38 PM
SuperCool
What ever happened to sympathy, or reluctance. I'd think it'd be hard to kill a person. Being boastful of kills just seems wrong to me.

Heres how I got over it:

When I was at home or in peace time I'm just plain old Mike. When it came time to do my job, I mentally became "Super Mike"
That way I would not feel guilty when it was all over since it was actually "Super mike" doing the killing and not "Mike."
 
2003-04-05 12:57:34 PM
VegasJ, I hope you posted that pic as a joke. War has also propogated worthless religion at the expense of millions of lives. War consistently results in deaths of millions of innocents. From Ghenghis Khan to the Crusades, when you look back on many wars you will see big problems. To use your simplistic little catch-phrase is wrong.

And this soldier seems like a good close-minded fella, but it goes to show how well the military can train(brainwash). If Iraqi soldiers are ass holes for followign orders then this soldier must also be an ass hole.
 
OBB
2003-04-05 01:02:29 PM
FMITGA - You DO realize that if it hadn't have been for wars i.e. people defending themselves from Persians, or Moors, or Mongols, or whatever, then you probably wouldn't be typing on a computer right now, and you'd be speaking Arabic in some feudal fiefdom. There's always going to be warlike people out there who are just waiting to pick a fight. It's the job of the rest of humanity to deal with these bellicose bastards in a quick, efficient manner.
 
2003-04-05 01:08:15 PM
I gotta tell you, the people who scream propaganda at every turn sound exactly like those who scream conspiracty at every term. Y'all get those tinfoil hats on tight!
 
2003-04-05 01:10:03 PM
OBB

how can you associate people defending themselves as justification for war?!?

you are basically saying that if someone invades someone else, it's only a war if the invadees choose to defend themselves, thus the war is their responsibility.

holy shades of bart and lisa swinging their fists and kicking their legs and claiming its the other persons fault if they get in the way!

the war comes from the invader... arguing that war is necessary because it's necessary for people to defend themselves completely ignores the fact that the defenders did not initiate the war.

war would not be necessary if nations did not feel the need to invade each other. there is no way we'd be living in some arabic fuedal fiefdom if the "Persions, Moors or Mongols or whatever" hadn't started the wars you are referring in the first place, just as we aren't because the defenders were (in some cases) able to repulse them.

what ever happened to causality?
 
OBB
2003-04-05 01:12:45 PM
I think people that scream propaganda are so cynical that they can't handle the fact that some GOOD news comes out of war... they're probably the same jerks who figure smashing windows at McDonalds and marching the wrong way up busy streets is the best way to prevent wars in the future.
 
2003-04-05 01:13:01 PM
I agree OBB, but you also support my latter argument about the soldier. There are always two sides two a fight. We have come out on top for the last 200 years, so we feel that somehow we are the war-wielding peace-makers. As for speaking Arabic, they created our number system, and strongly influence our language, As to not being on a computer, look what the Egyptians did in their prime, and look what Alexander did to end that. Science will always make progress and war will many times be detrimental to that progress in the loss of live and technology. And before you say it, I realize that war and the military also result in new technologoies.
 
2003-04-05 01:13:46 PM
Black_Dog, you've got the pedal to the metal...but your brain is in neutral.
 
2003-04-05 01:19:42 PM
GEAH

LOL!


there's something very stationary about being progressive in a backwards world...

my brain's not in neutral, we're just driving down different roads.
 
2003-04-05 01:20:13 PM
Flame on chumps, in the end the people will rule Baghdad, NOT saddam (non-capitalization intended) or his regime.
 
2003-04-05 01:20:23 PM
FMITGA: I know what war did. It won your freedom you ungreatfull fvck.
 
OBB
2003-04-05 01:22:16 PM
Black_Dog:

"how can you associate people defending themselves as justification for war?!?"

Very easily. People have a right to defend themselves, and furthermore they have a right to march into the capital of the country that attacked them and string up the leader. Example: Britain in World War 2

"you are basically saying that if someone invades someone else, it's only a war if the invadees choose to defend themselves, thus the war is their responsibility"

Though I never put it the way you did, it's still true. If I march into your country, and you don't fight back at all, it's not much of a war, is it? Who initiated it doesn't matter in this case - we're talking about war as a conceptual event, rather than individual historical acts of war.

"war would not be necessary if nations did not feel the need to invade each other. there is no way we'd be living in some arabic fuedal fiefdom if the "Persions, Moors or Mongols or whatever" hadn't started the wars you are referring in the first place, just as we aren't because the defenders were (in some cases) able to repulse them."

My point was that there are ALWAYS going to be bellicose nations or groups out there. Of course war wouldn't be necessary if they weren't around, but here in a place I like to call reality, they are. *shrug*
 
2003-04-05 01:22:56 PM
Vegasj

Just remember that history is written by the victors.
 
2003-04-05 01:25:52 PM
SuperCoo
What ever happened to sympathy, or reluctance. I'd think it'd be hard to kill a person. Being boastful of kills just seems wrong to me


I think the sympathy disappeared after they faked surrender, used civilan as shields, and shot anyone who tried to escape.
 
OBB
2003-04-05 01:26:03 PM
FMITGA - The Arabs may have influenced our number system, and invented Algebra and everything, but tell me: since the Renaissance, which would better describe the Middle East: Progressive, science-driven developers OR regressive Feudal lords, tribalism, and Theocracy?
 
2003-04-05 01:27:08 PM
War is a tool like any other. Sometimes it is the right tool, sometimes it isn't. It should always be used responsibly, but always keep it in your toolbox in case you need to use it.
 
2003-04-05 01:28:03 PM
This probably is a bunch of bullshiat propaganda, but it's a pretty elaborate piece of shiat!
 
2003-04-05 01:33:53 PM
Frot, my friend is a marine and he smokes 'em, and so do i!
 
2003-04-05 01:34:04 PM
For claiming to be a progressive in a backwards world, Black_Dog sure talks a lot about what the Arabs did thousands of years ago.
 
2003-04-05 01:34:25 PM
OBB:

OK, I agree that people have a right to defend themselves.

But I can't possibly agree that the burden of responsibility for a conflict lies with the victim.

If you march into my country, and I don't fight back, and in the process you kill a whole heap of my compatriots, it's still war. a la China's actions in Tibet. it wasn't much of a war (ie, the invadees were subjugated rather quickly) but it's still a war.

And I guess when you say there are ALWAYS going to be agreessive/bellicose nations, then you are probably correct.
After all, it's human nature to want what you don't have, and in the vast majority of cases in history, wars have been faught to gain things/territory (there are lots of other reasons of course...)

But what peace activists are arguing for isn't that we should sit back and let aggressive nations have their way, but that we should foster an international environment in which the bellicose nations that you claim will allways be there, simply stop being so bellicose.

Og the caveman hits someone on the head with his club because of instinct(human nature). Part of having intelligence is overriding your instincts, when you recognise longer-term negative consequences of those instincts.

you claim war is necessary because of something that will ALWAYS be there... aggressiveness

why don't we try and work out a way to get rid of it, rather than simply accepting it?

Idealistic, I know, but that's what progress is...

your comments are like newton saying "we'll NEVER understand why things fall, so lets not bother trying to work it out."
 
2003-04-05 01:34:41 PM
true, true OBB. I'll give you the win. Islam is a pretty bad religion, as are most that are taken to the orthodox extreme levels. Enjoy your weekend. I'm off to Vancouver.
 
2003-04-05 01:35:23 PM
GEAH

Umm... that was FMITGA...
 
2003-04-05 01:37:23 PM
 
2003-04-05 01:37:37 PM
Oooooh, a sweet sweet flame war to wake up on a Saturday morning! Think I'll stay out of this one, though....

Whether this war is right or wrong, I hope our boys get home safe, that's all.

We now return to your regularly scheduled flame war.
 
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