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(Salt Lake Tribune)   Utah is glowing with anticipation of getting everyone's radioactive waste   (sltrib.com) divider line 117
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2010-01-04 12:51:37 PM  
Or as it is otherwise known, radiation shielding.
 
2010-01-04 01:11:12 PM  
WelldeadLink: Or as it is otherwise known, radiation shielding.

I think we found a use for our welfare population....
 
2010-01-04 01:42:13 PM  
Wired's article on Liquid Flouride Thorium Reactors was quite interesting. Still not completely green, but it looks a lot safer and cleaner than traditional nuclear reactors. And there's plenty of thorium.
 
2010-01-04 02:43:46 PM  
images.fanpop.com

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that not only is taking in undue radiation is probably against the Word of Wisdom but also that Mr. Smith would probably not approve of a radioactive glowing new Zion. That's not what he had in mind.

Just saying.
 
2010-01-04 02:59:46 PM  
WelldeadLink: Or as it is otherwise known, radiation shielding.

Basically. The stuff is less radioactive than natural uranium. It's so dangerous we have used it for pigments in dinner plates and paints.

The only way you are going to get hurt with DU is if someone drops some on your head. It's less dangerous than lead.

Can't wait for someone who thinks it causes birth defects to come into the thread. (Hint: That was a Saddam propaganda bit. It's the metric ass-load of chemical weapons he used that causes that.)
 
2010-01-04 04:03:10 PM  
Hopefully, it'll be stored in open containers at the State Capitol.
 
2010-01-04 04:04:40 PM  
I'll only be %3 radiation though, so no biggie
 
2010-01-04 04:04:46 PM  
Somacandra: I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that not only is taking in undue radiation is probably against the Word of Wisdom but also that Mr. Smith would probably not approve of a radioactive glowing new Zion. That's not what he had in mind.

Just saying.


Actually, I found some magical uranium plates that have secret messages from God on them that only I can translate using a magic box, and they say "Utah should welcome nuclear waste with open arms".

No you can't see the plates. They say I'm the only one allowed to translate them.
 
2010-01-04 04:07:23 PM  
Guysmiley: Somacandra: I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that not only is taking in undue radiation is probably against the Word of Wisdom but also that Mr. Smith would probably not approve of a radioactive glowing new Zion. That's not what he had in mind.

Just saying.

Actually, I found some magical uranium plates that have secret messages from God on them that only I can translate using a magic box, and they say "Utah should welcome nuclear waste with open arms".

No you can't see the plates. They say I'm the only one allowed to translate them.


Are you starting a religion? Cus it sounds like you're starting a religion.

Can I join?
 
2010-01-04 04:08:09 PM  
Not even close to "everyone's," it's just from one place, and there's some disagreement as to whether or not the site is actually safe to accept it.

So in other words, this is another round in the same game we always play with radioactive waste--hot potato.
 
2010-01-04 04:08:37 PM  
The New Mormon outfit.
i777.photobucket.com
 
2010-01-04 04:09:37 PM  
Someone mentioned reactor tech that was mothballed that could run off of DU and some other things in a recent thread. If that tech is ever developed, Utah could come out ahead in the long run.

Deep beneath the salt flats is probably as good a place to store it as any.
 
2010-01-04 04:09:51 PM  
With inspiration from a superman movie, I propose we send it all to the sun. I am willing to bet it would be cheaper than storing it.
 
2010-01-04 04:10:24 PM  
GurneyHalleck: Liquid Flouride Thorium Reactors...looks a lot safer and cleaner


They even put flouride in ice cream. Children's ice cream.
 
2010-01-04 04:10:27 PM  
That's the last thing we need. Radioactive Utahans(?).
 
2010-01-04 04:11:09 PM  
Luckily their magic underwear will protect them from the radiation
 
2010-01-04 04:13:58 PM  
Yes indeed.
farm2.static.flickr.com
/everybody could stand a hundred chest X-rays a year
 
2010-01-04 04:14:07 PM  
blogs.sfweekly.com

Blinky unavailable for comment.

/Hot like nuclear waste!
 
2010-01-04 04:15:15 PM  
The Combine...er, I mean, Energy Solutions is buying up this state, one acre and basketball arena at a time. I have feeling City 17 was really Salt Lake City.
 
2010-01-04 04:15:58 PM  
Somacandra: I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that not only is taking in undue radiation is probably against the Word of Wisdom

Gallifrey has it lucky. When their citizens get too much radiation, they either concentrate it into their big toe and kick it out, or just use it to regenerate into a new body ten years younger.
 
2010-01-04 04:16:36 PM  
w00rm: The New Mormon outfit.

Not too far from the originals

www.lds-mormon.com

/hey you got masonic tradition in my christianity
//hey you got christianity in my masonic tradition
 
2010-01-04 04:16:36 PM  
If they send all the depleted uranium to Utah, what will they use to jacket the bullets fired in Iraq?
 
2010-01-04 04:17:35 PM  
Speaking as a committed Democrat, our lovely Senate Majority Leader has been working for years to keep this out of his state. Now it's next door. Hope they get lost on the way and hit a casino.
 
2010-01-04 04:17:38 PM  
w00rm: The New Mormon outfit.

Now you know the secret about the magical underwear: it's lead-lined.
 
2010-01-04 04:18:06 PM  
Crosshair: The stuff is less radioactive than natural uranium. It's so dangerous we have used it for pigments in dinner plates and paints.

IIRC it's about 40% as radioactive as natural uranium - less, but still the same order of magnitude. As for the historical uses, let's just say that some of the early vendors of radioactive products didn't think their cunning plans all the way through.
 
2010-01-04 04:19:16 PM  
blazemongr: w00rm: The New Mormon outfit.

Now you know the secret about the magical underwear: it's lead-lined.


At least now Superman can't take a sneak peak.
 
2010-01-04 04:20:22 PM  
Sweet! It won't be shipped to Nevada!

Thanks, Utah. You're Saints now in my book.

Let's listen to Something Good and have a celebration dance!
 
2010-01-04 04:20:32 PM  
turbopro: With inspiration from a superman movie, I propose we send it all to the sun. I am willing to bet it would be cheaper than storing it.

Let's see... hey, rocket scientists, how much would it cost to send three trainloads of the heaviest naturally-occurring element on Earth out of Earth's gravity well for good?
 
2010-01-04 04:20:49 PM  
Disposing of nuclear waste? That's not sound environmental policy. We should just let it sit there and be scared about it. That is green.
 
2010-01-04 04:23:03 PM  
Claude Ballse: Thanks, Utah. You're Saints now in my book.

They're Jazz, actually.

/but give them time
 
2010-01-04 04:24:28 PM  
I think this is great. Now the Mormons can glow when they go door to door.
 
2010-01-04 04:25:00 PM  
So it's going to improve things in Utah then.
 
2010-01-04 04:26:54 PM  
eddyatwork: I think this is great. Now the Mormons can glow when they go door to door.

That ought to make telling them apart form the Jehovah's Witlesses much easier.
 
2010-01-04 04:29:39 PM  
www.project-112shad-fdn.com

www.project-112shad-fdn.com
 
2010-01-04 04:29:40 PM  
i7.photobucket.com

Yet another reason to visit Utah!
 
2010-01-04 04:30:52 PM  
But under the governor's oral agreement with the Department of Energy, state regulators have until mid-February to develop science-based conditions for burying the Savannah River cleanup waste at the EnergySolutions Inc. disposal site in Tooele County.

As opposed to what? Faith-based conditions?

And what happened to Yucca Mountain? That place out by the Nevada Test Site. Why make a new "unfit for habitation" site when they've already got one? I thought the point of storing waste at Yucca Mountain was to take advantage of the waste processing facility and skills available at the NTS just down the road.
 
2010-01-04 04:32:13 PM  
Is this site in Skull Valley? I hope so. It's about damn time the Gosutes got a farking break.

/should have let them have the casino Mr. Levitt
 
2010-01-04 04:38:01 PM  
Reid spent years excoriating the Bush administration over the nuclear waste plans, and crowed months ago that Obama had agreed not to store waste there. I guess not so much.
 
2010-01-04 04:39:51 PM  
They may be worried now...

i15.photobucket.com

...but they won't be worried long.
 
2010-01-04 04:41:18 PM  
TinfoilBerka: Someone mentioned reactor tech that was mothballed that could run off of DU and some other things in a recent thread. If that tech is ever developed, Utah could come out ahead in the long run.

Deep beneath the salt flats is probably as good a place to store it as any.


Great, so when the radioactivity warms up the surrounding salt fluids the containers will literally float around in their own nasty brine. any other brilliant ideas?
 
2010-01-04 04:42:23 PM  
Should've just let the gays marry.
 
2010-01-04 04:42:36 PM  
Exxxxcellent!

Link (new window)
 
2010-01-04 04:46:43 PM  
llSmithll: Great, so when the radioactivity warms up the surrounding salt fluids the containers will literally float around in their own nasty brine

Fortunately that wouldn't happen.
 
2010-01-04 04:46:45 PM  
MBooda
They're Jazz, actually.

/but give them time


I might just give a pass if the reference is really that obscure. But is clicking links really that hard?

Perhaps the "Head-on-esque" type intro will help drive the point home. Link (new window)


jtown
And what happened to Yucca Mountain? That place out by the Nevada Test Site. Why make a new "unfit for habitation" site when they've already got one? I thought the point of storing waste at Yucca Mountain was to take advantage of the waste processing facility and skills available at the NTS just down the road.

The point of Yucca Mountain wasn't to take advantage of anything other than it's extremely remote location. The problem was two-fold:
1. Las Vegas population now negates the existence of a High Level radioactive waste storage facility. NSTB & DHS concerns aside, the political power of Southern Nevada helped push to get the project scuttled. When Yucca Mountain was first proposed in the early 1980's, the Las Vegas Valley as a whole had less than a couple hundred thousand residents. Whereas now it's over 2 million here. North vs. South, it got pushed onto us in the same manner where better sites in even the Appalachian Mountains where there is hard granite underground that would be better candidates than Yucca were all ruled out: The money and constituents were there.

2. Yucca mountain is an extremely remote location. So it's believed that even after our society collapsed, it would remain hidden. They even had designed hybrid blue-leaved yucca plants and joshua trees to plant around it, as well as universal petroglyphs in case all modern languages were dead in order to warn future civilizations to stay out. But as time and geography changes, it is a concern that one day future societies might settle around Yucca Mountain to build cities.

Now that doesn't sound all that bad until you realize that even our toughest non-biodegradable plastics will not outlast the internal wastes' toxic radioactive levels. And while Yucca Mountain is remote, it sits on of both a fault line, as well as a large aquifer that stretches wide and far, and could pollute untold amounts of land once the caskets crack. Plus while we can map things out right now, who knows how geology can change and create larger aquifers and spread the waste even farther?
 
2010-01-04 04:46:56 PM  
GurneyHalleck: Wired's article on Liquid Flouride Thorium Reactors was quite interesting. Still not completely green, but it looks a lot safer and cleaner than traditional nuclear reactors. And there's plenty of thorium.

Not necessarily quite as simple as the article implies, but still a promising avenue...Even modern variations of "traditional" reactor designs are pretty good and safe...ideally.

But do you want a nuclear reactor built by the cheapest contractor? We had some "hickups" due to construction screwups (luckily encountered during the construction phase rather than after activation) for our latest nuclear power plant.

Rather than having the government be responsible for approving whether it's ok to build another nuclear power plant, it should be responsible for strictly monitoring the quality of construction of such plants.

Although nuclear power is just an intermediate measure, it's one of the less-bad ones...if done properly.
 
2010-01-04 04:49:29 PM  
llSmithll: any other brilliant ideas?

How about using it to paint watch dials?

www.damninteresting.net
 
2010-01-04 04:51:04 PM  
"This is the place". I think bring them young said that.
 
2010-01-04 04:53:10 PM  
Hey, canyoneer. Remember also the huge spike in birth defects & mental retardation in births, as well as developmental disabilities and cancer in children and adults after radioactive fallout contaminated the Utah Milk Shed and pregnant woman wound up being given radioactive milk, as did schoolchildren with their school meals.

Which is why I have very mixed feelings about this:

www.armscontrolwonk.com

We won the war and helped keep peace. But at a huge cost to Americans...
 
2010-01-04 04:53:23 PM  
Lindsey Lohan, Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears are moving to Utah?
 
2010-01-04 04:54:42 PM  
tweekster: llSmithll: Great, so when the radioactivity warms up the surrounding salt fluids the containers will literally float around in their own nasty brine

Fortunately that wouldn't happen.


Because we really really REALLY hope it won't, right?

/It's that third "really" that's magical, I swear!
 
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