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(London Times)   Panic room saved artist Kurt Westergaard from Islamist assassin. That and abandoning his grandaughter in the house with an Islamic Assassin   (timesonline.co.uk) divider line 344
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2010-01-03 07:57:15 PM
Tingle007: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Tingle007: Let's not forget who the real villain is. Let's all blame the victim shall we?

The dude was chickenshiat.

if he ran for the kid he'd be dead and then the muslim would kill both kids and him, he WAS able to save his younger niece.

You can't save everyone all the time. It would have been suicide to try and rush past the axe wielding psycho who would have then killed the two little witnesses when he was done with you.


I can't help but think that in the 20 seconds he probably had, he didn't have time to think of these possible outcomes...whatever - he was a coward, plain and simple.
 
2010-01-03 07:57:34 PM
mark12A: Yes we know that Arabs have something in their DNA that makes them unable to function in modern society. We also know that when people become Muslin, they get some sort of shot that gives them teh crazy.

Pretty much, yeah.


OK, so you're saying there's no hope of living in peace with these inferior people? I say, we need a final solution to the Muslin problem once and for all!
 
2010-01-03 07:57:35 PM
Yeah, he's a big farking coward, and no doubt.

On the other hand, he did it his way and it worked. It's tough to argue with those results.
 
2010-01-03 07:57:50 PM
BigSnatch: My guess is like this - attacker comes in the room and is between Westergaard and his granddaughter, who might not have even been in the same room at the time. Westergaard realizes that if he goes to get the child, his 75 year old ass will get killed along with the girl. Since the guy was bloodthirsty Westergaard knew he could keep the assailant occupied long enough for the police to arrive.

That was my take on it too. It's likely they weren't in the same room at the time. The assailant wanted him. As long as he could keep him occupied, the little girl was safe. That's not irresponsible, that's "next best thing."
 
2010-01-03 07:58:12 PM
rogue_L_chick: Tingle007: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Tingle007: Let's not forget who the real villain is. Let's all blame the victim shall we?

The dude was chickenshiat.

if he ran for the kid he'd be dead and then the muslim would kill both kids and him, he WAS able to save his younger niece.

You can't save everyone all the time. It would have been suicide to try and rush past the axe wielding psycho who would have then killed the two little witnesses when he was done with you.

I can't help but think that in the 20 seconds he probably had, he didn't have time to think of these possible outcomes...whatever - he was a coward, plain and simple.


Hey, on what basis are you asserting the guy had 20 seconds?
 
2010-01-03 07:58:36 PM
stpickrell: Benevolent Misanthrope: atomic-age: I am a bit surprised that the parents allowed him to babysit their child, given that business about him and his wife having to move about to safe houses.

THIS. No way would I allow him to babysit my kids. Hell - I'd be very, very careful about letting him visit, even.

Now that'; it's been proven that: 1. - being near him can be hazardous to one's health, and 2. - he'd rather hide imself than risk his life to save his grandkid; I think I'd just refuse to let the kids be alone with his hidin'-in-the-bathroom-don't-give-a-shiat-if-the-kid-gets-chopped-mehhhh-she'll- b e-okay-as-long-as-*I*-don't-get-hurt ass.

Irresponsible fugger.

Wait, so you ditch your family as soon as they become inconvenient?


No, I would require those who have put my children in danger to be supervised if they want to visit them. Even if they're family.
 
2010-01-03 07:59:45 PM
i'm sorry when was the last time you tried to tackle an axe wielding psycho less then half your age as a rickety old fat man?

never? then STFU! It's not like he had a gun to shoot the psycho with.
 
2010-01-03 07:59:47 PM
jaytkay: Now all the McMansion douchebags will feel vindicated building "panic rooms" into their houses because TV news says dark-skinned attackers lurk outside at all times.

Was it this assh***s skin color, or his fanatical beliefs, that caused him to attack a cartoonist with an axe?

The world may never know.
 
2010-01-03 08:00:06 PM
Benevolent Misanthrope: stpickrell: Benevolent Misanthrope: atomic-age: I am a bit surprised that the parents allowed him to babysit their child, given that business about him and his wife having to move about to safe houses.

THIS. No way would I allow him to babysit my kids. Hell - I'd be very, very careful about letting him visit, even.

Now that'; it's been proven that: 1. - being near him can be hazardous to one's health, and 2. - he'd rather hide imself than risk his life to save his grandkid; I think I'd just refuse to let the kids be alone with his hidin'-in-the-bathroom-don't-give-a-shiat-if-the-kid-gets-chopped-mehhhh-she'll- b e-okay-as-long-as-*I*-don't-get-hurt ass.

Irresponsible fugger.

Wait, so you ditch your family as soon as they become inconvenient?

No, I would require those who have put my children in danger to be supervised if they want to visit them. Even if they're family.


OK, sorry. I thought you were talking about letting your kid stay over to begin with. Now that a threat is proven and that his ability to protect both himself and your kid against the threat has been established, either I'd insist on a secure suite like I was describing or supervision.
 
2010-01-03 08:00:36 PM
He sounds a lot more reasonable and intelligent than the average poster in this thread that doesn't even have a clue about the layout of the house.
 
2010-01-03 08:00:40 PM
atomic-age: I am a bit surprised that the parents allowed him to babysit their child, given that business about him and his wife having to move about to safe houses.

Congratulations, you've made the only valid point so far that isn't blind speculation.
 
2010-01-03 08:00:56 PM
Tingle007: You can't save everyone all the time. It would have been suicide to try and rush past the axe wielding psycho who would have then killed the two little witnesses when he was done with you.

I'm trying to formulate a response that doesn't come off as an Internet Tough Guy bloviating. I have a two-year-old niece that lives with me. I'm 48. I'd give my life for her. I'm not a bad or tough man. But I'd fight a man with an axe to protect her. I'd do it because I couldn't live with the alternative. And I have no respect for anyone who'd sacrifice kin for their own preservation. That's the best I can do. I understand if you're not satisfied with my answer. Hell, I'm not satisfied with it either.
 
2010-01-03 08:00:58 PM
Wow, what a cock. I think the only way this story could get worse, between the shiathead with an ax and the pussy grandfather, is if the granddaughter turned out to be Satan or something.

But seriously, what a cock. You're in your seventies, asshole. You've a) had a long life and b) are supposed to risk life and limb for your offspring.

Just, wow. What a cock. A crazy Muslim and a pussy Dane, and bammo... cockfight!
 
2010-01-03 08:01:01 PM
i108.photobucket.com

Jodi Foster would have saved the girl
 
2010-01-03 08:01:20 PM
What's sad is that this man cannot legally own a gun for self-defense, or the defense of his family. Why? Because Denmark is a socialist nanny-state.

God bless America.

(fark you libs who want us to turn into Denmark).
 
2010-01-03 08:02:26 PM
stpickrell: mark12A: Yes we know that Arabs have something in their DNA that makes them unable to function in modern society. We also know that when people become Muslin, they get some sort of shot that gives them teh crazy.

Pretty much, yeah.

OK, so you're saying there's no hope of living in peace with these inferior people? I say, we need a final solution to the Muslin problem once and for all!



Just buy a new piece of muslin, it's not that expensive.
 
2010-01-03 08:02:26 PM
Decent people don't do the calculus of risk to decide whether it makes sense to try to defend small children that are in their care.

When you have a kid has their safety entrusted to you, they come first. Period. It is your job to do whatever it takes to protect them, up to and including sacrificing your own life. Don't like it? Don't accept the responsibility for taking care of a child.
 
2010-01-03 08:02:28 PM
What's with alla the hate?

Maybe she was being a real biatch or something. We simply don't know.
 
2010-01-03 08:02:37 PM
Obama
 
2010-01-03 08:02:59 PM
I wonder how many people in this thread would dive into their panic room if they barely had time, or instead bravely engage in a duel with the berserk axe-wielding somalian trying to kill you.
 
2010-01-03 08:03:07 PM
epoc_tnac: atomic-age: I am a bit surprised that the parents allowed him to babysit their child, given that business about him and his wife having to move about to safe houses.

Congratulations, you've made the only valid point so far that isn't blind speculation.


Yup, whenever my family has a death bounty on their heads, I usually try to keep in touch with them via phone...
 
2010-01-03 08:03:55 PM
I haven't seen a headline since 2001 that had any form of the word "islam" followed by something positive after it... can we please go Hitler on these people sometime soon?
 
2010-01-03 08:03:56 PM
Tingle007: i'm sorry when was the last time you tried to tackle an axe wielding psycho less then half your age as a rickety old fat man?

You know, most people will risk their lives to protect their children and grandchildren. The older you get, and the longer you've had, the more reasonable it becomes, the less it seems like a trade-off and the more it seems like a good trade.

At 75, I expect the guy to unquestioningly be willing to lay down his life for his children and grandchildren.
 
2010-01-03 08:03:58 PM
I choose no sides.

He's an asshole for drawing cartoons to enrage the religiously insane (yes "religiously insane" is redundant).

The religiously insane are assholes.

A just God would kill them all in a painful manner.
 
2010-01-03 08:04:43 PM
UNAUTHORIZED FINGER
In most of these situations, you have perhaps a few seconds to decide what to do. Even cops and soldiers who train to respond in these situations

My thinking is: I hope I'd do differently, but I don't know if I would. Given that most of us are speculating entirely, we can't really make a definitive judgment. At least, not without fear of looking like an ass.
 
2010-01-03 08:04:50 PM
I'm trying not to expect an old Danish cartoonist to be Solid Snake here, but yeah, that's really shiatty. How could you look your son or daughter in the face and give them, "oh yeah, I knew they'd be OK while I fled to my panic room, the crazy screaming islamist dude with an axe was good with kids, I could tell".
 
2010-01-03 08:06:19 PM
evoke: What's sad is that this man cannot legally own a gun for self-defense, or the defense of his family. Why? Because Denmark is a socialist nanny-state.

God bless America.

(fark you libs who want us to turn into Denmark).


Strangely enough that's probably the same reason that the attacker had an axe and not a gun. What this story really needs is a good old heroic shootout! That way the guy that deliberately angered the entire muslim world could have died a hero, along with his granddaughter and the attacker.

Now that's a happy ending, right guys?
 
2010-01-03 08:07:16 PM
chu2dogg: I wonder how many people in this thread would dive into their panic room if they barely had time, or instead bravely engage in a duel with the berserk axe-wielding somalian trying to kill you.

Depends on if I had a five year old depending on me for her safekeeping.

Yeah, I'd take the axe, you idiot.

/internet tough girl
 
2010-01-03 08:07:38 PM
The girl's 5 years old. Lucky bastard.
 
2010-01-03 08:08:01 PM
RockChalkH1N1: I haven't seen a headline since 2001 that had any form of the word "islam" followed by something positive after it... can we please go Hitler on these people sometime soon?

notsureifserious.jpg
 
F42
2010-01-03 08:08:33 PM
jaytkay: I choose no sides.

Hmmm, drawing a cartoon, or attacking people with an axe.

Yeah... those things are equal...
 
2010-01-03 08:09:27 PM
That's horrible
 
2010-01-03 08:10:01 PM
stpickrell: If the watching of the kid was a regular thing, why not have the fortified room be a guest room?

The guy could have at least tried to save his grandkid. Sheesh.


THIS. at least the guy could have arranged for the child to be between his sleeping spot and the panic room. he knows he's under mortal threat, he knows he's babysitting his own granddaughter. he knows he has a panic room and a panic button. he ditched her.

just the kind of coward who would describe his own rather obviously insulting cartoons as "intended to contribute to debate".
 
2010-01-03 08:10:09 PM
stpickrell: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER
In most of these situations, you have perhaps a few seconds to decide what to do. Even cops and soldiers who train to respond in these situations

My thinking is: I hope I'd do differently, but I don't know if I would. Given that most of us are speculating entirely, we can't really make a definitive judgment. At least, not without fear of looking like an ass.


Fear of looking like an ass due the walking vaginas amongst us. "Oh, you'd never do that, because I'd never do that. I'd just lay down and die!" Seriously, a guy bursts into my home with halitosis and it's even odds whether or not I'm sending him to the morgue, let alone with him brandishing an axe.
 
2010-01-03 08:10:09 PM
epoc_tnac: evoke: What's sad is that this man cannot legally own a gun for self-defense, or the defense of his family. Why? Because Denmark is a socialist nanny-state.

God bless America.

(fark you libs who want us to turn into Denmark).

Strangely enough that's probably the same reason that the attacker had an axe and not a gun. What this story really needs is a good old heroic shootout! That way the guy that deliberately angered the entire muslim world could have died a hero, along with his granddaughter and the attacker.

Now that's a happy ending, right guys?


You don't think the terrorist could've acquired an illegal firearm if he wanted to? Gimme a break.
 
2010-01-03 08:10:32 PM
Islamic terrorist vs. 5-year-old Danish girl.

5 year-old Danish girl wins.

LOL, Islamic terrorists!
 
2010-01-03 08:11:14 PM
F42: Hmmm, drawing a cartoon, or attacking people with an axe.

Yeah... those things are equal...


To be fair, he also abandoned his defenseless relations to an axe-wielding psycho. He basically went from sheltered agitator to giant cockface in one fell swoop with that one.

Somali Axe guy still just a psycho, though. No change on that front.
 
2010-01-03 08:11:18 PM
The grand-daughter was probably blond. Darkies love de blondes.

When Somalia is reduced to a smoking irradiated crater and every Somali infesting the western countries is rounded up and dumped at sea the world will be a far better place.
 
2010-01-03 08:11:24 PM
If it was a lion, throwing the girl in the way would have helped.
 
2010-01-03 08:11:35 PM
F42: jaytkay: I choose no sides.

Hmmm, drawing a cartoon designed to piss off one of the largest religions in the world which is known for it's violent campaigns against blasphemers, or attacking people with an axe.

Yeah... those things are equal...


They're not equal, but FTFY anyway.
 
2010-01-03 08:11:40 PM
swahnhennessy: How can you "not have time" to protect your freaking granddaughter? This guy is damn lucky no harm came to her as a result of his cowardice.

Yeah, a whole lot of this.

jaytkay: McMansion douchebags will feel vindicated building "panic rooms"

What the hell is wrong with having a panic room? If you can't built a moat around your house and have snipers on the turrets, a panic room isn't a bad idea.

Clearly by your use of the term "McMansion douchebags" you hate the rich, and therefore are a liberal. Why do liberals hate the idea of protecting oneself from criminals?
 
2010-01-03 08:12:12 PM
F42: jaytkay: I choose no sides.

Hmmm, drawing a cartoon, or attacking people with an axe.

Yeah... those things are equal...


Cartoonist is a troll. Reap, sow, etc...
 
2010-01-03 08:12:20 PM
JonnyBGoode
That was my take on it too. It's likely they weren't in the same room at the time.


Since it said that she was in the living room, the madman was trying to get at the old guy in the locked bathroom and I have yet to see a house where the living room is connected to the bathroom, I'm pretty sure she wasn't in the same room.

=> Guy into the bathroom, girl out the front door, everybody survives.
 
2010-01-03 08:12:35 PM
savages... religion of peace indeed
 
2010-01-03 08:12:39 PM
Yes, well, my hypothetical conjecture based on limited actual information is far superior to your obvious misreading of the facts.


/I know, I know, welcome to fark -- or the internet, for that matter.
 
2010-01-03 08:12:46 PM
evoke: You don't think the terrorist could've acquired an illegal firearm if he wanted to? Gimme a break.

Okay, so you're saying he didn't really want to kill the guy?
 
2010-01-03 08:12:54 PM
stuhayes2010: He knew the Islamic terrorist would not harm his granddaughter? Really? How?

You just know these things.
 
2010-01-03 08:12:56 PM
stpickrell: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER
In most of these situations, you have perhaps a few seconds to decide what to do. Even cops and soldiers who train to respond in these situations

My thinking is: I hope I'd do differently, but I don't know if I would. Given that most of us are speculating entirely, we can't really make a definitive judgment. At least, not without fear of looking like an ass.


This is true. In my case, I HAVE been trained by the military, so perhaps I look at this situation from a skewed perspective. Maybe this guy knew he was no match for his maniac attacker. However, I still think that you have to take the risk. In my mind there's no other alternative, so you just have to do it and do it hard. I'm just happy that he and the child are all right.
 
2010-01-03 08:13:14 PM
Suede head: The grand-daughter was probably blond. Darkies love de blondes.

When Somalia is reduced to a smoking irradiated crater and every Somali infesting the western countries is rounded up and dumped at sea the world will be a far better place.


Just suede? C'mon, you know you want to take it all the way down to the skin.
 
2010-01-03 08:13:29 PM
epoc_tnac: Strangely enough that's probably the same reason that the attacker had an axe and not a gun.

An old guy with nothing (or even and old guy with an axe) has much shiattier odds against a psycho with an axe than an old guy with a gun against a psycho with a gun.

It worked out okay in this case, but I prefer a society in which people can have the tools that make disparities of age and strength less important.
 
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