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(London Times)   Panic room saved artist Kurt Westergaard from Islamist assassin. That and abandoning his grandaughter in the house with an Islamic Assassin   (timesonline.co.uk) divider line 344
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2010-01-03 08:13:45 PM  
gorgor: If it was a lion, throwing the girl in the way would have helped.

Like this?

i108.photobucket.com
 
2010-01-03 08:15:18 PM  
Occam's Nailfile: What the hell is wrong with having a panic room?

How many people require a "panic room". In the US. How many people are important enough to attract "terrorists". Real numbers. How many?
 
2010-01-03 08:15:38 PM  
mark12A: Yes we know that Arabs have something in their DNA that makes them unable to function in modern society. We also know that when people become Muslin, they get some sort of shot that gives them teh crazy.

Not all of them, I hope.
 
2010-01-03 08:15:41 PM  
stpickrell: Yes we know that Arabs have something in their DNA that makes them unable to function in modern society. We also know that when people become Muslin, they get some sort of shot that gives them teh crazy.

You exaggerate, but there's a core of truth.

Arabs are less able to function in modern society than European-descended whites. This is at least partly genetic -- yes, it turns out that genes affect things other than skin color.

Similarly, religion affects behavior. Since not all religions are the same, they don't all have the same effect on behavior. Islam in particular has a tendency to push its adherents towards the behavior we call "axe crazy".
 
2010-01-03 08:16:13 PM  
jaytkay: Cartoonist is a troll. Reap, sow, etc...

Yeah, I don't think that's quite a proportional response. I definitely think the guy was stupid for trying to shake up the tree the way he did, I don't think that justifies killing him though. If he was 30 years younger, it may have warranted a fist fight. At 70 or 71, he was a doddering old man trying to prove a point in the most incendiary way he could.

I can't imagine any world where that warrants some sort of extra-judicial people-sanctioned death sentence.
 
2010-01-03 08:16:28 PM  
jaytkay: I choose no sides.

He's an asshole for drawing cartoons to enrage the religiously insane (yes "religiously insane" is redundant).

The religiously insane are assholes.

A just God would kill them all in a painful manner.


It's funny how people think that "not taking sides" is such a high virtue that it lends weight to the dumbest of propositions, like the idea that drawing a cartoon is equivalent to murder.
 
2010-01-03 08:16:28 PM  
jaytkay: Occam's Nailfile: What the hell is wrong with having a panic room?

How many people require a "panic room". In the US. How many people are important enough to attract "terrorists". Real numbers. How many?



In the US?

300 million.
 
2010-01-03 08:17:53 PM  
Mietsko: Like this?

Where the hell is that from?
 
2010-01-03 08:17:59 PM  
Did the maniac even know the girl was there?
 
2010-01-03 08:18:14 PM  
evoke: You don't think the terrorist could've acquired an illegal firearm if he wanted to? Gimme a break.

As persuasive an argument as "gimme a break" usually is, this time it doesn't quite go the distance. Since the guy needed a gun and didn't have one, yeah, I'm going to speculate that it wasn't easy for him to get his grimy paws on one.
 
2010-01-03 08:18:19 PM  
lhclubs: jaytkay: Occam's Nailfile: What the hell is wrong with having a panic room?
How many people require a "panic room". In the US. How many people are important enough to attract "terrorists". Real numbers. How many
In the US?
300 million.


Everyone in the US requires a fortified room to hide from intruders? Explain, please.
 
2010-01-03 08:18:24 PM  
In his defense, he is a cartoonist.
 
2010-01-03 08:18:36 PM  
Zagloba: Mietsko: Like this?

Where the hell is that from?


Eastnews?

/ just guessing
 
2010-01-03 08:18:51 PM  
Mietsko: gorgor: If it was a lion, throwing the girl in the way would have helped.

Like this?


Mietsko: gorgor: If it was a lion, throwing the girl in the way would have helped.

Like this?


That'll work.
http://tinyurl.com/yapqx6m
(copy and paste)
 
2010-01-03 08:18:55 PM  
He sure is lucky the Police wouldn't allow him to have a gun.

Just imagine, if that poor misguided Moslem had broken into his house and he had shot the poor man, for no more reason than he was trying to kill him for his political opinions? Can you imagine how bad he would have felt?

What a pity we can't all live in such a civilized society, where people lead by moral example.

\\\ throws up all over the floor.
 
2010-01-03 08:18:56 PM  
It's Me Bender: Arabs are less able to function in modern society than European-descended whites. This is at least partly genetic -- yes, it turns out that genes affect things other than skin color.

Similarly, religion affects behavior. Since not all religions are the same, they don't all have the same effect on behavior. Islam in particular has a tendency to push its adherents towards the behavior we call "axe crazy".


Please explain to me, Mr Scientist dude, how Arab genes make one less able to function in modern society.
 
2010-01-03 08:19:26 PM  
epoc_tnac: RockChalkH1N1: I haven't seen a headline since 2001 that had any form of the word "islam" followed by something positive after it... can we please go Hitler on these people sometime soon?

notsureifserious.jpg


completelyserious.jpg
 
2010-01-03 08:19:31 PM  
stpickrell: mark12A: Yes we know that Arabs have something in their DNA that makes them unable to function in modern society. We also know that when people become Muslin, they get some sort of shot that gives them teh crazy.

Pretty much, yeah.

OK, so you're saying there's no hope of living in peace with these inferior people? I say, we need a final solution to the Muslin problem once and for all!



fanatic muslims no there is no hope for them. moderates sure!
but then again the trillion $ question is if you can hypothetically kill all the fanatics, many of those moderates will become fanatics as well afterward that's why there is really no real solution to this lil thing all of us have gotten into.

The only real way to solve this issue is to go back in time about 75 ys and never ever set foot or invest in the middle east for oil. They will still be living their momadic lives tending to their agrarian society and be non the wiser to the "western" world.
 
2010-01-03 08:19:40 PM  
epoc_tnac: evoke: You don't think the terrorist could've acquired an illegal firearm if he wanted to? Gimme a break.

Okay, so you're saying he didn't really want to kill the guy?


I'm saying it probably wasn't thought out 100%. The terrorist probably wasn't the smartest guy (no shiat). He could've acquired a firearm if he wanted to. There are tons of illegal guns in Denmark.

Millions of muslims want Kurt Westergaard dead. He should have the right to use a gun to defend himself. The Danish socialist nanny-state is denying him that right, and that's farked up.
 
2010-01-03 08:19:55 PM  
Captain Darling: It's funny how people think that "not taking sides" is such a high virtue that it lends weight to the dumbest of propositions, like the idea that drawing a cartoon is equivalent to murder.

Well, there are instances where it's not beyond the pale to say propaganda bits are equally culpable in the murder or genocide they cause, but not much else.

I can't imagine a normal set of fighting words that would provoke murder -- unless what the person was saying was a credible threat against my life.

But still, the old man is a farking cock.
 
2010-01-03 08:21:23 PM  
lhclubs: Zagloba: Mietsko: Like this?

Where the hell is that from?

Eastnews?

/ just guessing


Kinda

http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=19281
 
2010-01-03 08:22:06 PM  
RockChalkH1N1: epoc_tnac: RockChalkH1N1: I haven't seen a headline since 2001 that had any form of the word "islam" followed by something positive after it... can we please go Hitler on these people sometime soon?

notsureifserious.jpg

completelyserious.jpg


So you're saying you like the ideology of Hitler? You just think he chose the wrong race?

Hey everyone, I hope you're all proud of RockChalkH1N1!
 
2010-01-03 08:22:12 PM  
Perhaps for all the cartoonist knew at the time, the assassin had ALREADY killed the granddaughter.

Isn't that the plot of like every horror movie ever...the characters are someplace safe, but then they go out and look for the missing person...who is already dead...and they wind up getting killed?
 
2010-01-03 08:22:42 PM  
evoke: You don't think the terrorist could've acquired an illegal firearm if he wanted to? Gimme a break.

Judging from the quality of the Al-Qaeda B team's work thus far... no. And to illustrate my point; the attacker did not have a gun. So just that we're clear, your argument is the terrorist did not want to bring a gun?

If he had access to a gun, he would have brought it.

/still crazy.
 
2010-01-03 08:23:02 PM  
SuperNinjaToad: fanatic muslims no there is no hope for them. moderates sure!
but then again the trillion $ question is if you can hypothetically kill all the fanatics, many of those moderates will become fanatics as well afterward that's why there is really no real solution to this lil thing all of us have gotten into.


You have to get the moderates to deal with the extremists, without becoming extremists themselves. Good luck. Only time is going to do that.

SuperNinjaToad: The only real way to solve this issue is to go back in time about 75 ys and never ever set foot or invest in the middle east for oil. They will still be living their momadic lives tending to their agrarian society and be non the wiser to the "western" world.

What pretty much did it was breaking up the Ottoman Empire after WWI. They then made up a bunch of countries, gave away tracts of land to people who'd never lived there, then started toppling the elected governments 40 years later. Thanks, Britain.
 
2010-01-03 08:23:46 PM  
jaytkay: Everyone in the US requires a fortified room to hide from intruders? Explain, please.

I'd like a fortified room to hide from tornadoes. The ability to hide from intruders is an added benefit. Plus, it would make a more secure platform to store high value items.
 
2010-01-03 08:24:49 PM  
RockChalkH1N1: epoc_tnac: RockChalkH1N1: I haven't seen a headline since 2001 that had any form of the word "islam" followed by something positive after it... can we please go Hitler on these people sometime soon?

notsureifserious.jpg

completelyserious.jpg


Oh and I guess the extermination of other inferior races, like ALL OF THEM that aren't germanic goes along with your great idea too, just like Hitler would have wanted? I'm sure some of your fellow farkers will support you, RockChalkH1N1.
 
2010-01-03 08:28:07 PM  
Captain Darling: It's funny how people think that "not taking sides" is such a high virtue that it lends weight to the dumbest of propositions, like the idea that drawing a cartoon is equivalent to murder.

They asshole deliberately published a cartoon he knew would inflame violent assholes.

If he was working to end slavery in Dubai, I would call him a hero.
For abolishing theocracy in Saudi Arabia, I would give him a Nobel Peace prize.
Establishing democracy in Iran - that's a Presidential Medal of Freedom

He's a troll.
 
2010-01-03 08:28:15 PM  
jaytkay: I choose no sides.

He's an asshole for drawing cartoons to enrage the religiously insane (yes "religiously insane" is redundant).

The religiously insane are assholes.

A just God would kill them all in a painful manner.


Wait- he's an asshole for drawing a cartoon depicting murderous assholes as murderous assholes.

Yet you are calling them murderous assholes.

By your definitions, you seem to be an asshole.

Sounds about right, actually.
 
2010-01-03 08:29:20 PM  
lhclubs: jaytkay: Occam's Nailfile: What the hell is wrong with having a panic room?

How many people require a "panic room". In the US. How many people are important enough to attract "terrorists". Real numbers. How many?


In the US?

300 million.


I'd rather just be a less attractive target for terrorists. You know, by not being a target for terrorists, whatever that might entail.
 
2010-01-03 08:29:38 PM  
I bet grandpa won't be babysitting any more.
 
2010-01-03 08:29:44 PM  
Molavian: jaytkay: Everyone in the US requires a fortified room to hide from intruders? Explain, please.

I'd like a fortified room to hide from tornadoes. The ability to hide from intruders is an added benefit. Plus, it would make a more secure platform to store high value items.


Good. Build it.

It's not like you often emerge from the basement anyway.
 
2010-01-03 08:29:56 PM  
jaytkay: He's a troll.

You're a raging idiot.
 
2010-01-03 08:30:00 PM  
nijika: Judging from the quality of the Al-Qaeda B team's work thus far... no. And to illustrate my point; the attacker did not have a gun. So just that we're clear, your argument is the terrorist did not want to bring a gun?

So, what exactly is this Al Qaeda thing anyway? If this guy is linked to Al Qaeda, how come he didn't have a gun or a bomb or, I dunno, ANYTHING except a frickin axe?

Does anyone find it a tiny bit odd that all of these lone nutjobs are linked to Al Qaeda even when they prove to be lone nutjobs? I wonder what training camp this guy went to. The 'fail to use an axe even to kill a 5 year old girl' camp?

Jeez, Al Qaeda is really a threat, one guy set off a firecracker in his pants and another one didn't get anywhere with an axe. OMG EVERYBODY PANIC! And give us a big fat dose of airport security and enhanced police powers to go with it.
 
2010-01-03 08:30:48 PM  
epoc_tnac: Oh and I guess the extermination of other inferior races, like ALL OF THEM that aren't germanic goes along with your great idea too, just like Hitler would have wanted? I'm sure some of your fellow farkers will support you, RockChalkH1N1.

The past couple of days have had their fair share of people calling for Muslim genocide, and the usual cabal of psychopaths that brings along with it. Earlier I had some guy stalking me based on a Fark argument. That takes a special breed of psychopath, digging through old threads on other message boards he found through Google for hours cause he's enraged at you. I decided to drop his name into Google for some turnabout and in about two seconds I found a post of his saying some sports player (I think) was an oompa-loompa that stank like curry.

Yeah, like I said -- special brand of psycho.
 
2010-01-03 08:32:11 PM  
epoc_tnac: Please explain to me, Mr Scientist dude, how Arab genes make one less able to function in modern society.

Arabs are less intelligent than non-arab whites. The difference is (at least mostly) genetic. Lower intelligence tends to make one less able to function in modern society.

No, I can't point to which specific spots on the human genome affect intelligence. I don't need to (though research in this area is proceeding very quickly, and it will surely be known within our lifetimes, if not this decade). The evidence for racial differences in intelligence is overwhelming; if you believe otherwise you're basically a Creationist.
 
2010-01-03 08:32:57 PM  
How come we never have any photoshop Mohammed contests?
 
2010-01-03 08:33:02 PM  
www.worldbulletin.net

Glad to know that Brit chick is OK
 
2010-01-03 08:33:13 PM  
nijika:
Judging from the quality of the Al-Qaeda B team's work thus far... no. And to illustrate my point; the attacker did not have a gun. So just that we're clear, your argument is the terrorist did not want to bring a gun?

If he had access to a gun, he would have brought it.

/still crazy.


We don't know how well planned this whole thing was. It probably wasn't that well planned. There is a logical reason why he didn't have a gun, and it isn't because it's impossible to acquire illegal firearms in Denmark.

The choice of weapon isn't always logical, the attacker won't always choose the most efficient weapon in any given situation, which is why there's so much violence involving knifes and axes in the world.

The point is that people who are threatened like Kurt Westergaard should have the means to defend themselves against crazy people like this guy. In Denmark people in situations like this are denied the right to defend himself efficiently, and that's farked up.

What if he hadn't made it to the safe-room, or the axe wielding lunatic would've killed his granddaughter?

With a gun he could've fought back efficiently since it doesn't require anything but pulling the trigger, which anyone of any age can do.

We in the U.S. are privileged because our government allows us to use guns to defend ourselves.
 
2010-01-03 08:33:38 PM  
How dare this old man living peacefully in his own home with his 5 year old grandchild survive an attack by a good right just muslim! He has again insulted islam by not leading the attacker to the bedroom in which the child slept so both the non-believer and his pig dog offspring could die in a flurry of axe blows! He insults us by surviving! It is all his fault!


You people are absolute scum. Freedom of speech dies because cowardly sheits like you blame the victim, who did nothing more then draw a cartoon, for surviving an attack by an unreasonable, fanatical, plague like foe.
 
2010-01-03 08:33:39 PM  
FuturePastNow: I bet grandpa won't be babysitting any more.

Not THAT'S the Fark I remember.

Why can't we all just get along?
 
2010-01-03 08:34:18 PM  
I don't know about a need, but it can't hurt your home value I'd imagine. That said, if you really want to avoid terrorism and you have the good fortune to not be targeted personally as was Mr. Westergaard here, population density is probably your best weapon.
 
2010-01-03 08:34:22 PM  
It's Me Bender: epoc_tnac: Please explain to me, Mr Scientist dude, how Arab genes make one less able to function in modern society.

Arabs are less intelligent than non-arab whites. The difference is (at least mostly) genetic. Lower intelligence tends to make one less able to function in modern society.

No, I can't point to which specific spots on the human genome affect intelligence. I don't need to (though research in this area is proceeding very quickly, and it will surely be known within our lifetimes, if not this decade). The evidence for racial differences in intelligence is overwhelming; if you believe otherwise you're basically a Creationist.


Well, I called Jay above an asshole, but I thank you for giving perspective of what a true asshole is like.

It's not genetics. It is a radical belief system that is taught.
 
2010-01-03 08:34:54 PM  
keithrogan: How come we never have any photoshop Mohammed contests?

I would participate.
 
2010-01-03 08:35:53 PM  
jaytkay: Molavian: jaytkay: Everyone in the US requires a fortified room to hide from intruders? Explain, please.

I'd like a fortified room to hide from tornadoes. The ability to hide from intruders is an added benefit. Plus, it would make a more secure platform to store high value items.

Good. Build it.

It's not like you often emerge from the basement anyway.


When I build my new house I'll have one put in. Of course, I can do that since I'm not a penniless hippie. Go hug a tree to soothe the burning jealousy of your betters that you've developed.
 
2010-01-03 08:36:12 PM  
blah.blah.blah...enhanced police powers to go with it.

A gun is too complicated to use for these guys. Pretty much limited to axe, bomb, and large knife. It's due to the genetic lacking mentioned above.
 
2010-01-03 08:36:44 PM  
evoke:

We in the U.S. are privileged fortunate because our government allows us occasionally and begrudgingly recognizes our natural right to use guns to defend ourselves.

FTFY.
 
2010-01-03 08:37:17 PM  
Someone should let Muslim matrimonial dot com know I'm not going to stick my dick in crazy, let alone click on it.
 
2010-01-03 08:37:18 PM  
ZenGuru: Glad to know that Brit chick is OK

Oh, jebus where is that pic from, I will be on you like a muslim cartoon-hater if you don't tell me.
 
2010-01-03 08:37:39 PM  
Dr. Mojo PhD: The past couple of days have had their fair share of people calling for Muslim genocide, and the usual cabal of psychopaths that brings along with it. Earlier I had some guy stalking me based on a Fark argument. That takes a special breed of psychopath, digging through old threads on other message boards he found through Google for hours cause he's enraged at you. I decided to drop his name into Google for some turnabout and in about two seconds I found a post of his saying some sports player (I think) was an oompa-loompa that stank like curry.

Yeah, like I said -- special brand of psycho.


It seems strange to call them a special brand of psycho when they seem to be so farking common. Racism has always existed and the behaviour of a few very high profile muslims creates a sense of justification around it all. It only takes a few assholes to start a fight, and it only takes a couple of thousand jerks to start a race war. The fact that a race war is exactly what these people want flies over the heads of simpletons like quantum physics at a NASCAR meet.
 
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