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2010-01-03 08:14:36 PM
Mae Brussell rides again.
 
2010-01-03 08:15:07 PM
Dr.Zom: GCD: Wow, sounds oddly familiar

There are people in power who would be very happy to see Muslims in America become like Jews in Germany in the 30s.


It's just a distraction. The best way to hold and increase power is to rally the governed against an external threat. Real, perceived or contrived, it doesn't matter.

Keeps their minds pointed in the right direction.

The War on Terror has been an excellent threat. Hell, you can justify almost anything with a bit of a show to fire up the emotions and rally support.

Genius.
 
2010-01-03 08:15:28 PM
liverleef: GCD: The plans included committing acts of terrorism in U.S. cities, killing innocent people and U.S. soldiers, blowing up a U.S. ship, assassinating Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees, and hijacking planes.

Wow, sounds oddly familiar (9/11, Fort Hood, etc.), even though they apparently "rejected" the idea back then.

As a non-US citizen (thank FARK), it's certainly interesting to read just how far the government will go to in attempts to "justify" themselves and their actions...and to be quite honest, with stuff like this out there, what's to say that 9/11 wasn't an inside job? It's pretty obvious from this that they've plotted similar events before.

No, they havent. 9/11 was pretty much unprecedented. I'm not sure if you're trolling or just retarded but I'm gonna go with retarded.


He said "plotted". Operation Northwoods "plotted" to blow up a plane full of college students so they could blame it on the Cubans.

They didn't do it, but they certainly plotted it. It's not a big leap to crashing planes into buildings to blame it on Muslims.
 
2010-01-03 08:16:07 PM
For pete's sake, I find absolutely all of this conspiracy theory discord to be completely silly
No one controls the world, trust me, you are not being controlled. There is no evil plot
Open up your eyes and become illuminated for once; there is no need for childish little stories
Right now, there are people starving in Fernando Poo and you waste time worrying about nonsense
Don't let your crazy, insane dreams get the best of you
 
2010-01-03 08:16:24 PM
Subby left out the bonus "New World Order" entry. That has not turned out to be true (or necessarily false though I think it's a load of shiat), and more than that, it seems the strongest evidence Alex Jones and his audience have that the New World Order exists is lack of evidence that it doesn't exist. It's like believing in Santa because your parents never proved that he's not real.
 
2010-01-03 08:18:16 PM
Jenessa: I left my boyfriend of a year when I found him taking apart grasshoppers because he thought the gov't had sent them to his house to spy on him. I'd rather be alone then covered in crazy.

But did he then offer them up to you and say "Reassemble Jenessa. Jenessa, reassemble."
 
2010-01-03 08:18:43 PM
Plate of Crazy: Subby left out the bonus "New World Order" entry.

FTFA: 22. The New World Order

Literacy is your friend.
 
2010-01-03 08:19:54 PM
samardzic77: I'm no conspiracy theorist, but it does seem odd to me that NORAD was running drills on the morning of 9/11 which dealt with multiple hijackings in the northeast culminating in some kind of "attack". The drills were set to begin at 8:45, one minute before first impact.

Global Guardian is done every year, and it isn't only done on Sept. 11. It spans a pretty big amount of time. Additionally, the people at NORAD have stated that the Vigilant Guardian portion did not hinder their operations. They stated that if anything it actually assisted them because all they had to do was say "switch to real world" and everyone was already in place to deal with it.

If there were some practical application to Vigilant Guardian and the execution of the attacks maybe I would be more impressed, but there isn't. So really it appears to me to be coincidental. To me saying that NORAD was running an exercise dealing with an airplane hijacking (a likely event in today's world) is like saying that the NYFD was training for a fire in a high rise building. Well, that's sort of their job, stands to reason that they would train for it. It's not an extreme stretch that it would coincide with an actual emergency.
 
2010-01-03 08:20:42 PM
What about the Vince Foster murder?
 
2010-01-03 08:21:12 PM
3rdLostPassword: Plate of Crazy: Subby left out the bonus "New World Order" entry.

FTFA: 22. The New World Order

Literacy is your friend.


I said SUBBY, not TFA. Reading comprehension is your friend.
 
2010-01-03 08:21:54 PM
As I read that article, I began to suspect that the author is an idiot. When I got to his historical examples of "conspiracies", that suspicion was confirmed.
And when I got to the actual conclusions this individual drew from his random musings, the suspicion was crushingly reinforced.
 
2010-01-03 08:22:19 PM
too bad about the crazy in TFA because most of those are true and very important. For example the "Strategy of Tension" in Italy in the 1970s, government terrorism blamed on Communists, which kept the Social Democrats and the Communists from getting together.

And everyone who looks down on African Americans, the FBI and CIA did this to them.
 
2010-01-03 08:22:22 PM
3rdLostPassword: Plate of Crazy: Subby left out the bonus "New World Order" entry.

FTFA: 22. The New World Order

Literacy is your friend.


I believe that's what we call a rotsky.
 
2010-01-03 08:22:46 PM
ultraholland: This is all a conspiracy by the Reynolds foil company

/and the Jews
//they have to be involved
\they have to


Of course, what's a conspiracy without Jews?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2010-01-03 08:23:16 PM
Nobody pointed out that not all of those conspiracies are proven? Just widely accepted as true or mostly true?

samardzic77: I'm no conspiracy theorist, but it does seem odd to me that NORAD was running drills on the morning of 9/11 which dealt with multiple hijackings in the northeast culminating in some kind of "attack". The drills were set to begin at 8:45, one minute before first impact.

Not quite.
http://www.911myths.com/html/operation_vigilant_guardian.html
 
2010-01-03 08:23:25 PM
gorgor: Mietsko: gorgor: Mietsko: 31 flavors?

APPROVES
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(copy and paste, NSFW)

How did you know about my favorite kind of ice cream? Have you been reading my diary again?

It's made from real dairy.
http://tinyurl.com/y9nh9s3
(copy and paste, NSFW)


Thanks, now I'm going to get a boner when I make my breakfast tomorrow.
 
2010-01-03 08:24:26 PM
Except for the ones of those that are obviously tin-hat territory, I'm not sure any of the rest are "conspiracies" in the classical sense of the word.

After all things like MK-ULTRA, COINTELPRO, the CIA/crack connections, the Tuskegee syphilis experiments, Tonkin Gulf...all that was exposed and acknowledged (if grudgingly and reluctantly) quite some time ago. It's hard to call them "conspiracies" anymore.

And no matter how hard anyone tries, there's just no hard evidence that the Bilderbergers, the Trilateral Commission AND the Illuminati can all be running the world at the same time, since their agendas would seem to conflict.
 
2010-01-03 08:24:58 PM
RanDomino: too bad about the crazy in TFA because most of those are true and very important. For example the "Strategy of Tension" in Italy in the 1970s, government terrorism blamed on Communists, which kept the Social Democrats and the Communists from getting together.

To be fair, both sides did it. The communists were especially successful-
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/27/world/europe/27germany.html
 
2010-01-03 08:25:07 PM
Architectronica: Yukon Callmeal: During the study the men were given false and sometimes dangerous treatments

You mean, they were, in a medical trial, sometimes given placebos or medicines that turned out to not be good?

Isn't that what is normal for ANY clinical trial?

The scandal there was that it was nearly exclusively on blacks, not that placebos and/or risky medicines were used.

The entire group was left untreated to observe the progress of the disease.


Which happens in any clinical trial where placebos are given.

Again, the bad part was that this was nearly exclusively done on what was perceived as an inferior and expendable minority-- but making it sound like it is awful when, in medical testing, people get no treatment or treatments that prove to be ineffective or worse is disingenuous at best.
 
2010-01-03 08:26:01 PM
liverleef: GCD: The plans included committing acts of terrorism in U.S. cities, killing innocent people and U.S. soldiers, blowing up a U.S. ship, assassinating Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees, and hijacking planes.

Wow, sounds oddly familiar (9/11, Fort Hood, etc.), even though they apparently "rejected" the idea back then.

As a non-US citizen (thank FARK), it's certainly interesting to read just how far the government will go to in attempts to "justify" themselves and their actions...and to be quite honest, with stuff like this out there, what's to say that 9/11 wasn't an inside job? It's pretty obvious from this that they've plotted similar events before.

No, they havent. 9/11 was pretty much unprecedented. I'm not sure if you're trolling or just retarded but I'm gonna go with retarded.


Birds of a feather...
 
2010-01-03 08:27:09 PM
jso2897: As I read that article, I began to suspect that the author is an idiot. When I got to his historical examples of "conspiracies", that suspicion was confirmed.
And when I got to the actual conclusions this individual drew from his random musings, the suspicion was crushingly reinforced.


Agreed. I would've preferred a link to some of the documents TFA claimed as declassified for proof over youtube videos from an obviously biased source.
 
2010-01-03 08:28:17 PM
Plate of Crazy: I said SUBBY, not TFA.

I'm sure everyone's got their pet conspiracy which they'd have liked to see in the headline.

But whatever. Mea culpa.
 
2010-01-03 08:28:27 PM
ZipSplat: samardzic77: I'm no conspiracy theorist, but it does seem odd to me that NORAD was running drills on the morning of 9/11 which dealt with multiple hijackings in the northeast culminating in some kind of "attack". The drills were set to begin at 8:45, one minute before first impact.

Global Guardian is done every year, and it isn't only done on Sept. 11. It spans a pretty big amount of time. Additionally, the people at NORAD have stated that the Vigilant Guardian portion did not hinder their operations. They stated that if anything it actually assisted them because all they had to do was say "switch to real world" and everyone was already in place to deal with it.

If there were some practical application to Vigilant Guardian and the execution of the attacks maybe I would be more impressed, but there isn't. So really it appears to me to be coincidental. To me saying that NORAD was running an exercise dealing with an airplane hijacking (a likely event in today's world) is like saying that the NYFD was training for a fire in a high rise building. Well, that's sort of their job, stands to reason that they would train for it. It's not an extreme stretch that it would coincide with an actual emergency.


But didn't Condi Rice say that we never could have conceived of such an attack, using hijacked airliners as missiles, something to that effect? And yet, Vigilant Guardian was meant to thwart an attack by hijacked airliners?

/Just sayin...
 
2010-01-03 08:28:53 PM
Hiro Nakamura: Thanks, now I'm going to get a boner when I make my breakfast tomorrow.

Careful with the sausages.
 
2010-01-03 08:29:47 PM
jso2897: As I read that article, I began to suspect that the author is an idiot. When I got to his historical examples of "conspiracies", that suspicion was confirmed.
And when I got to the actual conclusions this individual drew from his random musings, the suspicion was crushingly reinforced.


The word choice and egregious grammar & spelling errors didn't help the author's legitimacy either. It makes one wonder how much other license the author took.
 
2010-01-03 08:30:23 PM
Yukon Callmeal: During the study the men were given false and sometimes dangerous treatments

You mean, they were, in a medical trial, sometimes given placebos or medicines that turned out to not be good?

Isn't that what is normal for ANY clinical trial?

The scandal there was that it was nearly exclusively on blacks, not that placebos and/or risky medicines were used.


Well, yeah, that was the main concern, but the big issue was that the trial continued AFTER penicillin was found and known to be effective on syphilis. They knew they had a good, valid treatment that would have cured them, but they instead gave the men placebos-- not to test effectiveness in comparison, but to see the progression of the disease in general. They were never offered the opportunity to leave the study and when they tried, they were lied to. What's more, no effort was made to make sure they knew not to, you know, have unprotected sex, resulting in many of them infecting their wives and by extension, their children with the congenital form.
 
2010-01-03 08:31:43 PM

Sweet, a decent article gets the greenlight. And a plug for Mike Ruppert. Nice.

14. CIA Drug Running in LA: Pulitzer Prize Award winning journalist Gary Webb exposed this alongside LAPD Narcotics Officer turned whislteblower and author Michael Ruppert (new window)
 
2010-01-03 08:32:33 PM
Yukon Callmeal: Which happens in any clinical trial where placebos are given.

I can't help but think you don't really understand what the Tuskegee 'Study' actually entailed if that's your reaction.

You can get more details on the horrifying nature of this via: Bad Blood: The Tuskegee Syphilis Study (new window)
 
2010-01-03 08:33:10 PM
Yukon Callmeal: Architectronica: Yukon Callmeal: During the study the men were given false and sometimes dangerous treatments

You mean, they were, in a medical trial, sometimes given placebos or medicines that turned out to not be good?

Isn't that what is normal for ANY clinical trial?

The scandal there was that it was nearly exclusively on blacks, not that placebos and/or risky medicines were used.

The entire group was left untreated to observe the progress of the disease.

Which happens in any clinical trial where placebos are given.

Again, the bad part was that this was nearly exclusively done on what was perceived as an inferior and expendable minority-- but making it sound like it is awful when, in medical testing, people get no treatment or treatments that prove to be ineffective or worse is disingenuous at best.


No. They already knew the outcome after hundreds of years of watching. They already had a proven cure. This was sick at best. The sole reason for this experiment was to clinically monitor the progress in a scientific manner. It was the height of unethical treatment, particularly as they were told they were being treated. They continued to be infected and infected their family members. Your apologist tone is nearly as revolting.
 
2010-01-03 08:35:38 PM
Yukon Callmeal: During the study the men were given false and sometimes dangerous treatments

You mean, they were, in a medical trial, sometimes given placebos or medicines that turned out to not be good?

Isn't that what is normal for ANY clinical trial?

The scandal there was that it was nearly exclusively on blacks, not that placebos and/or risky medicines were used.


No, the scandal was that they did not inform the subjects that they were taking part in a study, but rather implied that they were getting the very treatment they were denied.
 
2010-01-03 08:36:46 PM
3rdLostPassword: Yukon Callmeal: Which happens in any clinical trial where placebos are given.

I can't help but think you don't really understand what the Tuskegee 'Study' actually entailed if that's your reaction.

You can get more details on the horrifying nature of this via: Bad Blood: The Tuskegee Syphilis Study (new window)


Do I think it was terrible that the world had bad medical practices before good medical practices were established? No.

Do I think it was terrible that blacks were used as guinea pigs? Yes.

As for if I get the scale, YMMV.
 
2010-01-03 08:38:22 PM
PresentCompanyExcluded: Sweet, a decent article gets the greenlight. And a plug for Mike Ruppert. Nice.

14. CIA Drug Running in LA: Pulitzer Prize Award winning journalist Gary Webb exposed this alongside LAPD Narcotics Officer turned whislteblower and author Michael Ruppert (new window)


Whats up mike?
 
2010-01-03 08:38:32 PM
trancemission: I hope this one's true, because I for one think a one-world government is a terrific idea.

Really?
Which current government would you model this OWG after? Canada/USA/Saudi/China/Somalia/Lichtenstein?

Something else, maybe?
 
2010-01-03 08:38:42 PM
They forgot the Pig-man.
 
2010-01-03 08:38:43 PM
Yukon Callmeal: Do I think it was terrible that the world had bad medical practices before good medical practices were established?

Um... so you don't actually know anything about the study. Thank you for confirming that.
 
2010-01-03 08:38:58 PM
The only one that causes any real concern is #19. Apparently the Church of Scientology has commandos. On crack. 5000 of them. 5000.
 
2010-01-03 08:39:21 PM
3rdLostPassword: Plate of Crazy: I said SUBBY, not TFA.

I'm sure everyone's got their pet conspiracy which they'd have liked to see in the headline.

But whatever. Mea culpa.


That wasn't even the point, either, but whatever. Apology or whatever accepted.
 
2010-01-03 08:39:34 PM
Jekyll Island is pretty well documented.

Chech what happened there.

Next, check how many wars happened before Dec. 23, 1913, and how many happened after.

Then google "Creature From Jekyll Island" by D. Edward Griffin.

\\\ mandatory reading for the educated person.
 
2010-01-03 08:40:56 PM
3rdLostPassword: Yukon Callmeal: Do I think it was terrible that the world had bad medical practices before good medical practices were established?

Um... so you don't actually know anything about the study. Thank you for confirming that.


No, I know about the study and what happened.

I see the scandal there as mostly a racial one. How do you see it?
 
2010-01-03 08:41:37 PM
More of "Pig-Man" :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG81Bvyzi6w
 
2010-01-03 08:42:27 PM
Yukon Callmeal: 3rdLostPassword: Yukon Callmeal: Which happens in any clinical trial where placebos are given.

I can't help but think you don't really understand what the Tuskegee 'Study' actually entailed if that's your reaction.

You can get more details on the horrifying nature of this via: Bad Blood: The Tuskegee Syphilis Study (new window)

Do I think it was terrible that the world had bad medical practices before good medical practices were established? No.

Do I think it was terrible that blacks were used as guinea pigs? Yes.

As for if I get the scale, YMMV.


The study ended in 1972. They already had good medical practices well into the study. They knew full well the study was unethical. Indeed, they knew so much that they purposefully and carefully concealed the study, and the SAME DAY the study was revealed to the public, they immediately ended it. What's more, the lack of safe-sex education alone was known to be highly unethical because they knew full well it could result in more infections.

I would argue that many early, unethical studies are valid because at the time they were not considered unethical and they have to be viewed in the standard of the time, BUT the standard of the time for this study was very close to what it is today and the study leaders knew full well they were clearly violating it.
 
2010-01-03 08:42:40 PM
Gyrfalcon: Except for the ones of those that are obviously tin-hat territory, I'm not sure any of the rest are "conspiracies" in the classical sense of the word.

After all things like MK-ULTRA, COINTELPRO, the CIA/crack connections, the Tuskegee syphilis experiments, Tonkin Gulf...all that was exposed and acknowledged (if grudgingly and reluctantly) quite some time ago. It's hard to call them "conspiracies" anymore.

And no matter how hard anyone tries, there's just no hard evidence that the Bilderbergers, the Trilateral Commission AND the Illuminati can all be running the world at the same time, since their agendas would seem to conflict.


Which is never how they are presented. Those groups are always presented as a hierarchical structure, the CFR/Chantam House/Common Purpose/et cetera on the bottom as the foot soldiers, Trilateral Commission as Middles management with Bilderberg on top with the Illuminati being the top of Bilderberg and possibly even a level higher that doesn't actually meet in person at all, but uses these conferences to facilitate communication.

There are several cases of confirmed overlapping memeberships in the various groups.

I love 9/11 Truth deniers the most though. Confirmed presence of nano-thermite in the debris, perfectly explaining how the three skyscrapers fell into their own footprints at free fall speed, and all covered under the same insurance policy which netted four billion dollars in court versus the billions it would have cost to renovate the complex, including ironically, asbestos removal.

And then along comes Northwoods proving that such a thing had been contemplated at least once, in something like thirteen different variations, including several that used passenger jets.
 
2010-01-03 08:43:12 PM
The Tinfoil Hats... they do nothing*.

*actually, they do the opposite of what you would want them to do. What you really need is a lead hat.
 
2010-01-03 08:45:33 PM
#32:

i73.photobucket.com

/Actually wanted Reagan (Iran-Contra), but couldn't find one on GIS.
 
2010-01-03 08:46:11 PM
MaudlinMutantMollusk: Fano: Not conspiracies, subby. Conspiracy. Singular. A cabal of people going all the way back to ancient Egypt have been planning the world.

THIS was PLANNED????

/good grief... the world is run by retards


Now you are beginning to see.
 
2010-01-03 08:46:25 PM
samardzic77: But didn't Condi Rice say that we never could have conceived of such an attack, using hijacked airliners as missiles, something to that effect? And yet, Vigilant Guardian was meant to thwart an attack by hijacked airliners?

/Just sayin...


VG wasn't meant to thwart an attack by hijacked airliners, it was about a scenario where airliners were attacked with a disaster requiring an emergency response at the end. That's a pretty broad umbrella, and is still compatible with Condoleeza Rice's claim that they couldn't have imagined this kind of an attack.

Additionally, you're letting your thought process get bogged down with this irrational Truther non-sense. What Condoleeza Rice said constitutes an anecdotal sound byte and has nothing to do with the actual data surrounding an attack. Anecdotes are highly reliant on their context and the intent of the speaker in order to convey accurate information, and as such they are very equivocal and aren't reliable for scientific investigation. Condoleeza Rice's comment not only doesn't conflict with Guardian, but if you don't abuse the comment by removing it from its context it's clear that what she was intending to say is that the U.S. government didn't take such issues seriously enough to make them a matter of transportation policy any more than the U.S. does wargames for a Russian attack on Alaska but we don't actively maintain cold war defensive positions as though we think it's a serious possibility.

Truthers anomaly hunt for the tiniest shred of an equivocal sound-byte like that because it is much easier to work with that than to have to argue against the evidence for the "official story" or produce actual evidence of their case. George Bush also said once that the terrorists planned the planes' impacts because they wanted the "explosives to go off at a specific location." To an intelligent person we know he obviously meant "explosions", but Truthers pass that clip around as "George Bush admits there was a bomb in the WTC"
 
2010-01-03 08:47:11 PM
Jarhead_h: Gyrfalcon: Except for the ones of those that are obviously tin-hat territory, I'm not sure any of the rest are "conspiracies" in the classical sense of the word.

After all things like MK-ULTRA, COINTELPRO, the CIA/crack connections, the Tuskegee syphilis experiments, Tonkin Gulf...all that was exposed and acknowledged (if grudgingly and reluctantly) quite some time ago. It's hard to call them "conspiracies" anymore.

And no matter how hard anyone tries, there's just no hard evidence that the Bilderbergers, the Trilateral Commission AND the Illuminati can all be running the world at the same time, since their agendas would seem to conflict.

Which is never how they are presented. Those groups are always presented as a hierarchical structure, the CFR/Chantam House/Common Purpose/et cetera on the bottom as the foot soldiers, Trilateral Commission as Middles management with Bilderberg on top with the Illuminati being the top of Bilderberg and possibly even a level higher that doesn't actually meet in person at all, but uses these conferences to facilitate communication.

There are several cases of confirmed overlapping memeberships in the various groups.

I love 9/11 Truth deniers the most though. Confirmed presence of nano-thermite in the debris, perfectly explaining how the three skyscrapers fell into their own footprints at free fall speed, and all covered under the same insurance policy which netted four billion dollars in court versus the billions it would have cost to renovate the complex, including ironically, asbestos removal.

And then along comes Northwoods proving that such a thing had been contemplated at least once, in something like thirteen different variations, including several that used passenger jets.


We'll just have to wait 50 years to see who was right. It seems most of these things take that long to finally uncover the truth behind them.
 
2010-01-03 08:49:05 PM
Basiorana: The study ended in 1972. They already had good medical practices well into the study. They knew full well the study was unethical. Indeed, they knew so much that they purposefully and carefully concealed the study, and the SAME DAY the study was revealed to the public, they immediately ended it. What's more, the lack of safe-sex education alone was known to be highly unethical because they knew full well it could result in more infections.

I would argue that many early, unethical studies are valid because at the time they were not considered unethical and they have to be viewed in the standard of the time, BUT the standard of the time for this study was very close to what it is today and the study leaders knew full well they were clearly violating it.


All of which is true, and none of which (as far as I can tell) invalidates any of my points. May I ask of which part of what I have said above you are arguing?

There were 366 men, of which a portion of which were allowed to die rather than giving them a treatment that had been developed. What was the motivation? They claimed it was to watch the progression of the disease. I believe their claim. I just don't think they would have acted the same if they had viewed their subjects as men of equal stature, and that they would likely have if they were not black men. Nor do I think they would have acted the same if the medical ethics of today were as well entrenched when they started their study, or when the study had reached a point where there was a treatment available.

Please, tell me what I am missing here?
 
2010-01-03 08:51:16 PM
"and that they would likely have"

I realized, after posting, that this fragment is not clear.

They would likely have viewed their men of equal stature if they were white, is what I meant.
 
2010-01-03 08:51:38 PM
justafarkingchef: I'm really more comfortable with the Bilderbergers controlling things; rather than, say, politicians

We appreciate the vote of confidence!
 
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