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(The Raw Story)   Fox News pundit: Tiger Woods can stick his putter in any hole he wants, so long as he converts to Christianity   (rawstory.com) divider line 273
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2010-01-03 12:39:10 PM
absolution: facilitating immorality for two thousand years!
 
2010-01-03 12:40:11 PM
FlashHarry: absolution: facilitating immorality for two thousand years!

Oh longer than that sir, way longer.
 
2010-01-03 12:43:34 PM
Raharu: FlashHarry: absolution: facilitating immorality for two thousand years!

Oh longer than that sir, way longer.


i always thought absolution was a christian concept. is it present in the torah as well? regardless, it's pretty conveeeenient.
 
2010-01-03 12:52:31 PM
And Christians are always barking at me, an atheist, that I choose not to believe in god so I don't have to be accountable for my actions?
 
2010-01-03 12:53:29 PM
it took two people to write eight farking sentences?
 
2010-01-03 12:58:17 PM
Fox can be a pretty myopic "news" network, eh. One religion fits all.
 
2010-01-03 01:01:15 PM
My religion is better than your religion because it is.

/Fox News: we whaargarbl; you decide.
 
2010-01-03 01:26:58 PM
As a Buddhist, the idea of Buddhism NOT having elements of redemption and forgiveness shows a bit of how little Mr. Hume knows about the Middle Path.

The thing is, Buddhism is not about a deity bestowing these upon you, but rather, your own efforts and actions. Buddhism is about taking responsibility for your actions ultimately. Your own Enlightenment is up to you. Not bestowed by anyone else, but the direct result of your own effort.

Ultimately Buddhism is about actions. Yours, and how they radiate out to others. I suspect that Tiger has a much keener sense of how karma--at its roots translated to "action"--radiates, both good and ill results. Not good karma, not bad karma, but causality at its heart.

To sum it up, Sir:

lh3.ggpht.com
 
2010-01-03 01:32:21 PM
Vodka Zombie: And Christians are always barking at me, an atheist, that I choose not to believe in god so I don't have to be accountable for my actions?

I don't tell Christians that I'm atheist generally, because I really don't want to hear it.
 
2010-01-03 01:52:03 PM
hubiestubert: As a Buddhist, the idea of Buddhism NOT having elements of redemption and forgiveness shows a bit of how little Mr. Hume knows about the Middle Path.

The thing is, Buddhism is not about a deity bestowing these upon you, but rather, your own efforts and actions. Buddhism is about taking responsibility for your actions ultimately. Your own Enlightenment is up to you. Not bestowed by anyone else, but the direct result of your own effort.

Ultimately Buddhism is about actions. Yours, and how they radiate out to others. I suspect that Tiger has a much keener sense of how karma--at its roots translated to "action"--radiates, both good and ill results. Not good karma, not bad karma, but causality at its heart.

To sum it up, Sir:


So, personal responsibility and bootstrapiness?
 
2010-01-03 01:56:32 PM
Gotta love the cultural sensitivity and knowledge. Buddhism isn't about forgiveness? What the...?
 
2010-01-03 02:02:16 PM
propasaurus: So, personal responsibility and bootstrapiness?

Actually, at the heart of things, that is a message that you can take from the Middle Path.

Of course, you also have to sort of examine the consequences of your actions, and proper action means proper mind, and proper intention as well. It is a faith that requires a bit of introspection and examination of your own capacity for self deception.
 
2010-01-03 02:05:13 PM
Oh for fark's sake. Tiger has "fark YOU!" money. Enough to tell everyone around him to go pound the ever loving shiat out of whatever sand they can find. He can go back to bed with a clear head. I have a billion dollars? My little Swedish model wife has a dozen carrots in her ass and thanks me every day.

He's being a clown.
 
2010-01-03 02:05:25 PM
Well, in Brit Hume's defense, "Brit Hume" is a pretty good name.

Or at least it used to be, before it got to be so widely associated with him. He totally ruined it for all the other Brit Humes out there.
 
2010-01-03 02:06:01 PM
Ah, yes, Christianity: "If you join us after making an utter mess of your life and committing unnumerable sins, everything you've ever done wrong in your life magically goes away, and no one is allowed to criticize you for it ever again!" See, e.g., George W. Bush.
 
2010-01-03 02:18:48 PM
When will these simple, superstitious people realize that there is a right and a wrong answer. All religion/faith in a higher power is wrong, mountains of falsifiable, predictable, and testable scientific evidence is right.
 
2010-01-03 02:21:36 PM
hubiestubert: As a Buddhist, the idea of Buddhism NOT having elements of redemption and forgiveness shows a bit of how little Mr. Hume knows about the Middle Path.

This.

Though I have to admit running into some Christian missionaries who insisted that everyone who wasn't Christian (their flavor, of course) was going to hell, including all the good non-Christian people of the entire country they were in, didn't do much to make me think Christianity was all that.
 
2010-01-03 02:23:20 PM
swaniefrmreddeer: When will these simple, superstitious people realize that there is a right and a wrong answer. All religion/faith in a higher power is wrong, mountains of falsifiable, predictable, and testable scientific evidence is right.

Assuming you're being serious, that's part of the problem even if you DO want to believe in religion. They all scream equally loudly, they all scream that they have the truth, while they are all mutually contradictory.

Meanwhile none of 'em have any external validation, so the wise choice is just to stay out of it.

Or put more succinctly, I'm willing to believe there's one objective truth, I'm just not willing to believe that any of them have a clue what it is.
 
2010-01-03 02:24:45 PM
Buddhism, btw, is a much better ethical system than Christianity IMO because it doesnt make its arguments based on supernatural authority. It argues based on the reality we perceive and the admittedly subjective sense of improving our quality of life.
 
2010-01-03 02:30:04 PM
itazurakko:Assuming you're being serious, that's part of the problem even if you DO want to believe in religion. They all scream equally loudly, they all scream that they have the truth, while they are all mutually contradictory.

Meanwhile none of 'em have any external validation, so the wise choice is just to stay out of it.

Or put more succinctly, I'm willing to believe there's one objective truth, I'm just not willing to believe that any of them have a clue what it is.


I don't think that staying out of it will ever change the poisoning effect that they have on society. Maybe if the rationalists tell them calmly and flatly that they are wrong long enough maybe it will eventually sink in.
 
2010-01-03 02:35:33 PM
Maybe if the rationalists tell them calmly and flatly that they are wrong long enough maybe it will eventually sink in.

If the rationalists were talking to other rationalists, then maybe, but only a small percentage of the population is made up of strong rationalists. For better or worse, rationalism is not common among humans.

Most strongly religious people, for better or worse, are rationalizers, not rationalists. You can't convince them of something they don't want to believe just by being persistently rational about it. If anything, you'll only strengthen their conviction that you're wrong.
 
2010-01-03 02:39:50 PM
Dear Christians:

This is part of why I mercilessly mock your religion.

Sincerely,
The Icelander
 
2010-01-03 02:45:22 PM
swaniefrmreddeer: When will these simple, superstitious people realize that there is a right and a wrong answer. All religion/faith in a higher power is wrong, mountains of falsifiable, predictable, and testable scientific evidence is right.

This actually doesn't help.

Science ISN'T a be all or end all. Religion ISN'T a be all or end all. The trouble lies in demanding that everyone tow a particular line in their thought process.

If anything, the idea that science and spirituality are mutually exclusive is distractionary and bogs things down. It's much like the gun control debate. Gun control is ultimately not about guns, but about safety and crime. Instead of focusing on the tools, we should be breaking the problems down to causes and ameliorating those roots, as opposed to running down blind alleys in symptoms of larger problems.

Any tool can be a weapon, if you hold it right. Be that blind adherence to a philosophy or dogma, or blind adherence to a single mode of thought.
 
2010-01-03 02:46:27 PM
Well maybe if reason doesn't work we could use the bible as our weapon. If rationalists point out at every opportunity that the bible is not only full of contradictions but down right evil then it could force them to question their faith.

1 Samuel 15:2-3 (New International Version)
This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [a] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "
Or Jesus speaking about slaves,
Luke 12:47,48
"That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows.But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked."
Or my favorite,
Numbers 15:32-36
While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp." 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD commanded Moses.

Na they are way to brainwashed.
 
2010-01-03 02:47:21 PM
swaniefrmreddeer: Well maybe if reason doesn't work we could use the bible as our weapon.

Make sure to use the hardcover version...
 
2010-01-03 02:48:03 PM
If I convert to the Aztec religion, can I cut out Brit Hume's beating heart?
 
2010-01-03 02:49:43 PM
hubiestubert: swaniefrmreddeer: When will these simple, superstitious people realize that there is a right and a wrong answer. All religion/faith in a higher power is wrong, mountains of falsifiable, predictable, and testable scientific evidence is right.

This actually doesn't help.

Science ISN'T a be all or end all. Religion ISN'T a be all or end all. The trouble lies in demanding that everyone tow a particular line in their thought process.

If anything, the idea that science and spirituality are mutually exclusive is distractionary and bogs things down. It's much like the gun control debate. Gun control is ultimately not about guns, but about safety and crime. Instead of focusing on the tools, we should be breaking the problems down to causes and ameliorating those roots, as opposed to running down blind alleys in symptoms of larger problems.

Any tool can be a weapon, if you hold it right. Be that blind adherence to a philosophy or dogma, or blind adherence to a single mode of thought.


What would we have left to fight about if every one "toed" the same line and lived their life based on reason and respect instead of fear and ignorance.
 
2010-01-03 02:51:59 PM
What the fark would Brit Hume know about Buddhism? And why not Judaism? They have a whole Day of Atonement, you jackass.
 
2010-01-03 03:01:04 PM
Diogenes: If I convert to the Aztec religion, can I cut out Brit Hume's beating heart?

i47.tinypic.com

Its not like Aztecs have all the fun.
 
2010-01-03 03:07:53 PM
swaniefrmreddeer: hubiestubert: swaniefrmreddeer: When will these simple, superstitious people realize that there is a right and a wrong answer. All religion/faith in a higher power is wrong, mountains of falsifiable, predictable, and testable scientific evidence is right.

This actually doesn't help.

Science ISN'T a be all or end all. Religion ISN'T a be all or end all. The trouble lies in demanding that everyone tow a particular line in their thought process.

If anything, the idea that science and spirituality are mutually exclusive is distractionary and bogs things down. It's much like the gun control debate. Gun control is ultimately not about guns, but about safety and crime. Instead of focusing on the tools, we should be breaking the problems down to causes and ameliorating those roots, as opposed to running down blind alleys in symptoms of larger problems.

Any tool can be a weapon, if you hold it right. Be that blind adherence to a philosophy or dogma, or blind adherence to a single mode of thought.

What would we have left to fight about if every one "toed" the same line and lived their life based on reason and respect instead of fear and ignorance.


That is in the assumption that every faith is based on fear and ignorance. And that reason and respect are mutually exclusive to faiths.

This is why things get bogged down when you make blind assumptions. By using that wide brush, as opposed to talking about specific examples, it runs arguments down into discussions that are counterproductive.

Speak to the specifics--Catholic bishops concealing incidents of pederasty in their priesthood, hiding of large amounts of cash by the Nichiren or the Protestant Mega-Churches, questionable business tactics employed by Scientologist leadership--likewise, address the ethical abuses by folks who have trust across the board, and you will do more to advance the discussion. Call asshats, asshats, certainly. But rather than generalist calls of superiority, addressing specifics will do far more and with greater efficacy than rants on "religion" just the same as folks who decry "science" as a community.

Specificity is key, and that comes down to actions by individuals. Holding individuals to account for their actions is far more useful than a generalized flurry of finger pointing.
 
2010-01-03 03:36:22 PM
Tiger should totally switch to Cafeteria Christianity, or "Protestantism/American Catholicism" as it is more commonly referred. That way he can continue bag some serious hot ass and still go to Heaven! You just have to select the three commandments you're willing to adhere to (DISCLAIMER: must select at least six if you're not famous) and shazam, you're in.

Also, don't worry about having to read and live by the rest of that "Bible" thing, it's more of a kids' book about morality. Except the part about hating gays, we're dead serious about that part. Unless you're one of our priests.
 
2010-01-03 04:11:38 PM
Or, he can stay a Buddhist and keep getting all that New Age hippie tail.

Tough call.
 
2010-01-03 04:29:26 PM
www.lolwut.com

Would have RTFA but I had a feeling I'd just end up posting this afterwards anyway.
 
2010-01-03 04:29:39 PM
I'll just leave this here:

rlv.zcache.com
 
2010-01-03 04:29:48 PM
Of course, him turning to biblethumping has to happen. It'll just make him more pathetic as the rest of the world has one more reason to laugh at us.
 
2010-01-03 04:31:21 PM
Spiffy?
 
2010-01-03 04:31:48 PM
/facepalm
 
2010-01-03 04:33:18 PM
whut?
http://tinyurl.com/yhzvr9j
(copy and paste, NSFW)
 
2010-01-03 04:34:39 PM
Thank you, gorgor.
 
2010-01-03 04:34:45 PM
itazurakko: hubiestubert: As a Buddhist, the idea of Buddhism NOT having elements of redemption and forgiveness shows a bit of how little Mr. Hume knows about the Middle Path.

This.

Though I have to admit running into some Christian missionaries who insisted that everyone who wasn't Christian (their flavor, of course) was going to hell, including all the good non-Christian people of the entire country they were in, didn't do much to make me think Christianity was all that.


Most religions have people like that though. I'm a Christian(or a Christian Deist to be more specific) and I don't think anyone is going to hell for being a Muslim or a Buddhist. The thing about most mainstream religions is that they all preach essentially the same basic principle: Do unto others as you would like done unto you. Do good, be good, and no one should really give a damn what religion you are. Missionaries(and everyone else) saying shiat like that are blinded by the establishment and don't pay attention to the actual messages.
 
2010-01-03 04:38:20 PM
bhcompy: Most religions have people like that though. I'm a Christian(or a Christian Deist to be more specific) and I don't think anyone is going to hell for being a Muslim or a Buddhist. The thing about most mainstream religions is that they all preach essentially the same basic principle: Do unto others as you would like done unto you. Do good, be good, and no one should really give a damn what religion you are. Missionaries(and everyone else) saying shiat like that are blinded by the establishment and don't pay attention to the actual messages.

I'm interested how you interpret John 14:6 (^).
 
2010-01-03 04:39:05 PM
Brit Hume, Christians and FOX. Who should I hate on here? Gimme a moment, 'kay?
 
2010-01-03 04:40:19 PM
gorgor: whut?
http://tinyurl.com/yhzvr9j
(copy and paste, NSFW)


I've always wondered what possessed you to start down this mad road.

Regardless, thank you for the fear you induce in me.
 
2010-01-03 04:40:55 PM
According to some Christians, aborted infants go to Hell. (No baptism: no salvation.) That's forgiveness like Grandma used to make.
 
2010-01-03 04:44:14 PM
Fox News pundit: Tiger Woods can stick his putter in any (male ass)hole he wants, so long as he converts to Christianity.
It's the Christian thing to do...
 
2010-01-03 04:44:53 PM
yakmans_dad: According to some Christians, aborted infants go to Hell. (No baptism: no salvation.) That's forgiveness like Grandma used to make.

Couldn't you baptize aborted infants with a douche bag filled with holy water?
 
2010-01-03 04:45:26 PM
"God created man in His image and then man returned the favor." - George Bernard Shaw
 
2010-01-03 04:45:35 PM
Amazing how distorted Britt's comments were mischarecterized. I saw his comments this morning and they bear no resemblance to the article.
 
2010-01-03 04:45:46 PM
Oh the Hume-inanity
 
2010-01-03 04:45:53 PM
yakmans_dad: According to some Christians, aborted infants go to Hell. (No baptism: no salvation.) That's forgiveness like Grandma used to make.

I'm not trying to be combative, but that's the first time I've ever heard that, and I live at the fringe of Cracker Florida. Is that a Catholic thing, ala "The Doom" from Angela's Ashes, or does it extend to other denominations as well?
 
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