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(Some Guy)   The bad news is your dog goes missing. The good news is it's found by the SPCA. The asinine news? The SPCA adopts it out to another family less than 72 hours later while not returning your phone calls   (thechronicleherald.ca ) divider line
    More: Asinine, Samantha Mccullough, good news, not found, legal recourse, family courts, spca, Christmas season, enjoyment  
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2010-01-03 06:38:29 PM  

Icarus3: I was on the family's side, until I got to the part where these shiatheads hadn't even neutered the dog they claim to have loved so much. If you don't neuter your dog (and you aren't a professional breeder), then you're too irresponsible and/or immature to have one.


you are a douchebag.

if my dog stays in the house and yard, and never gets out to mingle with other dogs what does neutering get me?

and as far as your angry tirade and psychobable about projection. this is just the sort of puritanical nonsense that makes me vote in local elections. just to make sure that douchebags dont get on the city council and start burning books.
 
2010-01-03 06:46:42 PM  

jst3p: Tali: This happened to me with a kitten - I had no way to go get her as I was in the hospital, but I called the SPCA every day. When they found her, they assured me that because I was staying in contact and they KNEW she had a home, she'd be there when I was released.

I got out of the hospital four days later, went to the SPCA before I ever even went home, and they had adopted her out less than an hour after talking to me on the phone and telling me they would hold her until I could drive over from the damn hospital. They "couldn't", by which I mean didn't give a damn and REFUSED to, do anything about it. I wound up going home, on the tail end of a bout of pneumonia, and bawled my eyes out for a week before ending up BACK in the hospital. I believe to this day that the stress and grief of the whole experience had a lot to do with the relapse.

Really? I will never "get" animal people.


Please don't ever breed.
 
2010-01-03 06:49:26 PM  

jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.

You are the "some" I mentioned previously.

Pets are property, children are people. If I hit your pet with my car and I am a nice person I stop, apologise, and head home. Hit a kid and try that and you will quickly learn the difference.

A pet is a living, breathing thing. You killed something LIVING. I don't care if I'm one of those people that consider my cats my children. I give them plenty of love and affection. I spend my hard earned money on them, just as a parent would on an actual child.

That is wonderful, but that still does not make them equivalent to a child. I know you think it does and nothing I say will convince you but they really aren't the same.


Do you have any dogs or cats?

They're usually better behaved than most children are.
 
2010-01-03 06:54:40 PM  

corn-bread: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.


Um....really?

You honestly, and with no trolling, equate human children to dogs and cats?


Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.
 
2010-01-03 07:01:58 PM  

cookiefleck: And happy 13th birthday to my dog:

AWWWW! HAPPY BIRTHDAY, HAPPY birthday to your BEAUTIFUL dog!


Oh and if anyone tries to do that to my dog, I'll slice their neck!


JK
back off
There goes my weekend plans.
 
2010-01-03 07:05:53 PM  

goliad: Icarus3: I was on the family's side, until I got to the part where these shiatheads hadn't even neutered the dog they claim to have loved so much. If you don't neuter your dog (and you aren't a professional breeder), then you're too irresponsible and/or immature to have one.

you are a douchebag.

if my dog stays in the house and yard, and never gets out to mingle with other dogs what does neutering get me?

and as far as your angry tirade and psychobable about projection. this is just the sort of puritanical nonsense that makes me vote in local elections. just to make sure that douchebags dont get on the city council and start burning books.


Pot, meet kettle.
Neutering you would save the world from your lackluster genetic input.
Neutering your dog would make him happier. You keep him from other dogs, not even giving him the chance to answer nature's call that's raging through his brain thanks to the hormones provided by his junk. All he can think of is EAT. SEX. SLEEP. SEX SEX SEX (much like a typical farker) Testicular cancer is another bonus you get when you leave the testicles where they are. When a male is left intact, and a female goes into heat, that male will do all he can to get to her. But that won't be a problem for you, will it? You keep your Buddy chained in the yard, don't cha?
/you farker, are the douchebag.
 
2010-01-03 07:15:37 PM  

OurLadyofSorrow: corn-bread: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.


Um....really?

You honestly, and with no trolling, equate human children to dogs and cats?

Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.


You sound so cheerful and optimistic.
Something tells me your handle is appropriate.
 
2010-01-03 07:44:13 PM  
My father's evil neighbors once let my childhood dog, who was 15 years old at the time, out of the yard. They removed his collar so we would not find him. They had had some problems with my father at the time; and the fence was not something he could have climbed on his own (6ft+ cinderblock with a still-locked gate). This was on a Sunday afternoon.

I called every shelter in the area - the city pound, the county pounds, the private shelters in every county around my father's house. No luck. I did the same thing Monday at lunch. The local SPCA said they had a dog fitting my description and I left work right away and went to see. It was him. I had no problems with getting him back.

/since we're all sharing stories.
 
2010-01-03 07:51:40 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.


I have six kids; five at home, and a dog and a cat. If there's a fire, and the dog and cat are lost because I saved the people I gave birth to? Well, I gave them a longer and nicer life than they would have had out in the wild.

Dog has a chip, cat never goes Out of Doors, which apparently looks like hell to her, as she freaks whenever we open the door. Still. I did not give birth to them, they don't speak, and basically ignore me unless they're hungry, need to pee, or need their litter box cleaned. So.
 
2010-01-03 08:02:51 PM  

domari: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.

You are the "some" I mentioned previously.

Pets are property, children are people. If I hit your pet with my car and I am a nice person I stop, apologise, and head home. Hit a kid and try that and you will quickly learn the difference.

A pet is a living, breathing thing. You killed something LIVING. I don't care if I'm one of those people that consider my cats my children. I give them plenty of love and affection. I spend my hard earned money on them, just as a parent would on an actual child.

That is wonderful, but that still does not make them equivalent to a child. I know you think it does and nothing I say will convince you but they really aren't the same.

Do you have any dogs or cats?

They're usually better behaved than most children are.


That may be true, that does not make being a pet owner the same as being a parent.
 
2010-01-03 08:03:18 PM  

gwowen: TFA: The local SPCA has no record of emails or voice messages from the family, Ms. Williams said.So make that "claims that the SPCA did not return phonecalls". Dog's original "owner" (no collar, no licence) is a dick. No sympathy. In Britain, failure collar your dog with owner's information can lead to a pretty stiff fine.


Except we have someone earlier in the thread saying that he volunteered at a shelter that never even read the messages.

squirrelflavoredyogurt: W00t sensationalism. Lets all hate the SPCA cause subby can't be bothered to RTFA.

FTA...

"They held the dog for 72 hours, after which it was taken to a local veterinarian, given its needles, neutered and adopted by another family - all before Christmas."

"By the time Ms. Mccullough made contact with the SPCA in Antigonish on Dec. 29, the dog was in a new home."


The dog was held for 72 hours before it was neutered and adopted which happened BEFORE Christmas. The owners contacted the SPCA on Dec 29. A full 4 days after Christmas.

So 4 days plus 72 hours, plus however long it took to neuter and fill out paperwork is somehow LESS than 72 hours?

Asinine tag is for the subtard.


The owners *SUCCESSFULLY* contacted them on Dec 29. That doesn't mean there weren't unsuccessful attempts before then.
 
2010-01-03 08:06:07 PM  

sparkeyjames: jst3p: Tali: This happened to me with a kitten - I had no way to go get her as I was in the hospital, but I called the SPCA every day. When they found her, they assured me that because I was staying in contact and they KNEW she had a home, she'd be there when I was released.

I got out of the hospital four days later, went to the SPCA before I ever even went home, and they had adopted her out less than an hour after talking to me on the phone and telling me they would hold her until I could drive over from the damn hospital. They "couldn't", by which I mean didn't give a damn and REFUSED to, do anything about it. I wound up going home, on the tail end of a bout of pneumonia, and bawled my eyes out for a week before ending up BACK in the hospital. I believe to this day that the stress and grief of the whole experience had a lot to do with the relapse.

Really? I will never "get" animal people.

Please don't ever breed.


Too late. But what about my not understanding bawling for a week at the loss of a pet makes me an unfit father? I wasn't making fun of her, just stating that I can't imagine feeling that way about a cat.


I am, by all accounts (including the opinion of my ex-wife) a pretty damn good father, although I am constantly working to improve that.


So go go fark yourself and have a nice day.
 
2010-01-03 08:17:12 PM  

jst3p: sparkeyjames: jst3p: Tali: This happened to me with a kitten - I had no way to go get her as I was in the hospital, but I called the SPCA every day. When they found her, they assured me that because I was staying in contact and they KNEW she had a home, she'd be there when I was released.

I got out of the hospital four days later, went to the SPCA before I ever even went home, and they had adopted her out less than an hour after talking to me on the phone and telling me they would hold her until I could drive over from the damn hospital. They "couldn't", by which I mean didn't give a damn and REFUSED to, do anything about it. I wound up going home, on the tail end of a bout of pneumonia, and bawled my eyes out for a week before ending up BACK in the hospital. I believe to this day that the stress and grief of the whole experience had a lot to do with the relapse.

Really? I will never "get" animal people.

Please don't ever breed.

Too late. But what about my not understanding bawling for a week at the loss of a pet makes me an unfit father? I wasn't making fun of her, just stating that I can't imagine feeling that way about a cat.


I am, by all accounts (including the opinion of my ex-wife) a pretty damn good father, although I am constantly working to improve that.


So go go fark yourself and have a nice day.

When my dog died I bawled for two days straight then was depressed on and off for a while. I still cry for my dog every once and a while because I loved my dog. It's simple as that. You love your children, I loved my dog. Just because you don't understand doesn't mean it's less important. What if you lost your child? I don't have kids so I don't really get the bonds parents for with their offspring. I wouldn't make fun of your grief but I also wouldn't get it. I'd personally would probably would want you to get away from me in your grief but that's because I don't do empathy well with others and I'd feel uncomfortable. In the end the loss of a child and dog is pretty much the same: meaningless and inconsequential in the overall picture except for those involved personally with the deceased being.
 
2010-01-03 08:20:03 PM  

lilistonic: AbbeySomeone: Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.

I have six kids; five at home, and a dog and a cat. If there's a fire, and the dog and cat are lost because I saved the people I gave birth to? Well, I gave them a longer and nicer life than they would have had out in the wild.

Dog has a chip, cat never goes Out of Doors, which apparently looks like hell to her, as she freaks whenever we open the door. Still. I did not give birth to them, they don't speak, and basically ignore me unless they're hungry, need to pee, or need their litter box cleaned. So.


Well thats your pets. My cats like to spend as much time with me as possible. And when I leave, they cry and wait for me to come home. Same as a kid would do if you left it with a babysitter. Sure kids are great for some people, but I think cats are way better than child. But then again, I hate kids, but if I had one, I would love my own.
 
2010-01-03 08:24:13 PM  

AbbeySomeone: OurLadyofSorrow: corn-bread: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.


Um....really?

You honestly, and with no trolling, equate human children to dogs and cats?

Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.

You sound so cheerful and optimistic.
Something tells me your handle is appropriate.


Actually I am a cheerful and optimistic person. Handle is a name of a song. Thanks for playing.
 
2010-01-03 08:28:07 PM  

Maggie_Luna: jst3p: sparkeyjames: jst3p: Tali: This happened to me with a kitten - I had no way to go get her as I was in the hospital, but I called the SPCA every day. When they found her, they assured me that because I was staying in contact and they KNEW she had a home, she'd be there when I was released.

I got out of the hospital four days later, went to the SPCA before I ever even went home, and they had adopted her out less than an hour after talking to me on the phone and telling me they would hold her until I could drive over from the damn hospital. They "couldn't", by which I mean didn't give a damn and REFUSED to, do anything about it. I wound up going home, on the tail end of a bout of pneumonia, and bawled my eyes out for a week before ending up BACK in the hospital. I believe to this day that the stress and grief of the whole experience had a lot to do with the relapse.

Really? I will never "get" animal people.

Please don't ever breed.

Too late. But what about my not understanding bawling for a week at the loss of a pet makes me an unfit father? I wasn't making fun of her, just stating that I can't imagine feeling that way about a cat.


I am, by all accounts (including the opinion of my ex-wife) a pretty damn good father, although I am constantly working to improve that.


So go go fark yourself and have a nice day.
When my dog died I bawled for two days straight then was depressed on and off for a while. I still cry for my dog every once and a while because I loved my dog. It's simple as that. You love your children, I loved my dog. Just because you don't understand doesn't mean it's less important. What if you lost your child? I don't have kids so I don't really get the bonds parents for with their offspring. I wouldn't make fun of your grief but I also wouldn't get it. I'd personally would probably would want you to get away from me in your grief but that's because I don't do empathy well with others and I'd feel uncomfortable. In the end the loss of a child and dog is pretty much the same: meaningless and inconsequential in the overall picture except for those involved personally with the deceased being.


Thanks for sharing, this was closer to what I was looking for when I made that comment. I would like to point out that I didn't say the grief was less important, nor did I make fun of anyone.
 
2010-01-03 08:28:23 PM  
jst3p:
That may be true, that does not make being a pet owner the same as being a parent.


Maybe not to you, but to the majority of others who have animals they love and care for in their homes, it does. I know people with dogs and cats who treat them much better than most people treat their kids.
 
2010-01-03 08:31:50 PM  

jst3p: sparkeyjames: jst3p: Tali: This happened to me with a kitten - I had no way to go get her as I was in the hospital, but I called the SPCA every day. When they found her, they assured me that because I was staying in contact and they KNEW she had a home, she'd be there when I was released.

I got out of the hospital four days later, went to the SPCA before I ever even went home, and they had adopted her out less than an hour after talking to me on the phone and telling me they would hold her until I could drive over from the damn hospital. They "couldn't", by which I mean didn't give a damn and REFUSED to, do anything about it. I wound up going home, on the tail end of a bout of pneumonia, and bawled my eyes out for a week before ending up BACK in the hospital. I believe to this day that the stress and grief of the whole experience had a lot to do with the relapse.

Really? I will never "get" animal people.

Please don't ever breed.

Too late. But what about my not understanding bawling for a week at the loss of a pet makes me an unfit father? I wasn't making fun of her, just stating that I can't imagine feeling that way about a cat.


I am, by all accounts (including the opinion of my ex-wife) a pretty damn good father, although I am constantly working to improve that.


So go go fark yourself and have a nice day.


I suppose you'd have to have a heart to understand.
 
2010-01-03 08:40:24 PM  

domari: jst3p:
That may be true, that does not make being a pet owner the same as being a parent.

Maybe not to you, but to the majority of others who have animals they love and care for in their homes, it does. I know people with dogs and cats who treat them much better than most people treat their kids.



This is not subjective, it is a point of fact. Being a pet owner is not the same as being a parent. There are numerous examples in both our legal system and in our societal norms that demonstrate this to be true.
 
2010-01-03 08:50:02 PM  

jst3p: domari: jst3p:
That may be true, that does not make being a pet owner the same as being a parent.

Maybe not to you, but to the majority of others who have animals they love and care for in their homes, it does. I know people with dogs and cats who treat them much better than most people treat their kids.


This is not subjective, it is a point of fact. Being a pet owner is not the same as being a parent. There are numerous examples in both our legal system and in our societal norms that demonstrate this to be true.


The world is fricking messed up.

I do remember having a dog I loved intensely, deeply, my whole family did, and it caused quite a grief period when he died, my estranged parents even argued over who got to tell me. We all remembered him fondly for years.

But he was not a person. I get pet love. I sincerely do. I do not get equating it with person love. That feels like a real human disconnect to me. At the same time, I kind of don't care, other than when people try to tell me that their pets are their kids. No, they are not. Your cat will eat you if you die first. Your dog will just wander around looking for his dinner, and wonder why you're not petting him. The average adult cat has the intellect of a 4 year-old child, but without the communication abilities. With dogs it depends, but some of them don't even make it that far. They're cute and furry, but they are not people.
 
2010-01-03 09:06:56 PM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: W00t sensationalism. Lets all hate the SPCA cause subby can't be bothered to RTFA.

FTA...

"They held the dog for 72 hours, after which it was taken to a local veterinarian, given its needles, neutered and adopted by another family - all before Christmas."

"By the time Ms. Mccullough made contact with the SPCA in Antigonish on Dec. 29, the dog was in a new home."


The dog was held for 72 hours before it was neutered and adopted which happened BEFORE Christmas. The owners contacted the SPCA on Dec 29. A full 4 days after Christmas.

So 4 days plus 72 hours, plus however long it took to neuter and fill out paperwork is somehow LESS than 72 hours?

Asinine tag is for the subtard.


TFA isn't that clear, but I think the original family claimed they phoned and emailed within the 72 hours. Since this shelter had no physical office and does not allow people to post reports of missing pets on their website, it seems there is no other way to make a claim (unless you go all stalker on the shelter and it's administrators like I would). Since the statute specifies holding the dog for 72 hours, it implies that there is a duty to provide a way to claim said dog within that time. If the family can indeed find phone records showing the call was made and record of the email being sent within the time period, and argument can be made that intent of the statute was satisfied and administration had a duty to allow the claim to be made, so that the subsequent transfer of the dog was illegal and should be reversed. If the family cannot obtain phone and email records showing that they made their claim within the 72 hours, then the shelter seems to be in the right.

I sympathized with the shelter first until people pointed out there is no physical shelter or office to visit and yet the shelter administrator makes $160,000 a year. If you set up a system where people cannot physically go to look for their pets, then for that kind of money you can check the answering machine and email every 24 hours and respond in a timely fashion. If the family didn't actually call and email within the 72 hours, then my sympathy reverts to the shelter.

It is possible both the family and the shelter made mistakes, but that doesn't mean that the shelter could not contact the new family on behalf of the old owners. Neither should just throw up their hands and say "shiat happens". The new owners have not had the animal for so long that it could not be exchanged for another rescue (especial if the old owners pay for the related expenses and offer a reward).

This is a pet. While pets are not children, for many pets are part of the family. I don't understand how someone can form an emotional bond with a pet and still see it as a mere piece of property. Of course, people who don't understand emotional bonds with animals or commitment to a pet make no sense to me either.

/Pets don't hit puberty and start shouting that they hate you.
//Pets won't put you in a nursing home when you are old and lonely
///Get your rotten kids off my lawn
 
2010-01-03 09:24:09 PM  

1derful: I am going to burn my local SPCA to the ground. I adopted a dog they said was spayed, but in fact wasn't. Now I'm trying to figure out to do with the litter of puppies I'm going to have on my hands in a couple of months.


It's called a spay/abort. Get your yellow pages out and ask around. It's perfectly safe and better than bringing an assload of puppies into this world when there's already plenty looking for a home.

I'm glad we have a good SPCA (now, we had to throw out a farktard director and his cronies). Dogs are held in the stray section for a couple weeks for owners to come check, then into pre-adoption for assessment and vaccination for a week or two, then into the adoption kennels where they may remain for months until they are adopted. They rest comfortably there, go on walks with volunteers multiple times per day, and get to play in the backyard. Is not so terrible. Oh and we do check chips.
 
2010-01-03 09:31:44 PM  

lilistonic: Your cat will eat you if you die first. Your dog will just wander around looking for his dinner, and wonder why you're not petting him.


Dogs will eat you too Link (new window). Neither cats or dogs are waiting for you to drop dead so they can taste human flesh. If there is no other food, and it is clear you are dead, they will eat what is there to eat. I think cats and dogs have different, non human types of intelligences that do not equate with human children (but my cats are smarter than most 4 year olds, albeit in ways that do not use much language). I wouldn't care if my dead corpse is consumed by my pets (though I hope someone would find me and feed them before it came to that). It doesn't make my pets less important to me now when I am alive.

If I had the choice to save a human or an animal, I'd pick the human. If I had the chance to spend time with my pets or your kids, I'd choose my pets. Apples and oranges.

/People will eat other people if they get hungry enough
//People are just a type of animal with advanced intelligence and opposable thumbs.
 
2010-01-03 09:44:39 PM  
 
2010-01-03 09:47:19 PM  

Staffist: Friskya: And this is why you actually GO to the responsible authority and LOOK for your pet yourself. If you can't be bothered to do that, what the hell are you doing with a pet, anyway? You had 3 farking days!

And license your dog.

And tag your dog.

And chip your dog.

And control your dog.

And happy 13th birthday to my dog:


My friends in elementary school had a dog that broke out of their 6 foot fenced yard, lost its collar (on which was its license and ID) and the chip didn't scan when they tested it. My friends looked everywhere for the dog- called every shelter, signs all around the neighborhood etc etc. 6 months later they see their dog walking down the street with its new family. Luckily for them the family was kind enough to give the dog back.

I will warn you that sometimes the microchip moves so it cant be found and doesn't show up. I know since I watched them give it to my dog, run the test (which worked) but then when they reran it a couple years later it couldn't be found anywhere. And my dog is a dachshund- there isn't a lot of room for the chip to travel. The point is, dogs can break out and get lost no matter how much you try to ensure they don't, so you can be as cocky as you like but it doesn't make you based in reality.
 
2010-01-03 10:01:46 PM  

It's_A_Farking_Secret: 1derful: I adopted a dog they said was spayed, but in fact wasn't. Now I'm trying to figure out to do with the litter of puppies I'm going to have on my hands in a couple of months.

It's called a spay/abort. Get your yellow pages out and ask around. It's perfectly safe and better than bringing an assload of puppies into this world when there's already plenty looking for a home.


When I took in a stray female cat last summer, she was already knocked up. The local humane society was THRILLED that I was willing to let them spay her and abort the kittens.

If the pups haven't been born yet, please, do the right thing and get them aborted. Yes, it's unpleasant, but there are FAR too many dogs already being put to sleep every day in this country, why add more to the pile?
 
2010-01-03 10:02:55 PM  

OurLadyofSorrow: corn-bread: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.


Um....really?

You honestly, and with no trolling, equate human children to dogs and cats?

Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.


I hate to admit it, but I'd do the same if it was a complete stranger's kid vs my cats.
 
2010-01-03 10:12:40 PM  

lilistonic: AbbeySomeone: Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.

I have six kids; five at home, and a dog and a cat. If there's a fire, and the dog and cat are lost because I saved the people I gave birth to? Well, I gave them a longer and nicer life than they would have had out in the wild.

Dog has a chip, cat never goes Out of Doors, which apparently looks like hell to her, as she freaks whenever we open the door. Still. I did not give birth to them, they don't speak, and basically ignore me unless they're hungry, need to pee, or need their litter box cleaned. So.


Why are you quoting me for this bullshiat rant? I have 2 rescue dogs and a child, no cats.
 
2010-01-03 10:18:40 PM  

MaritimeGirl: OurLadyofSorrow: corn-bread: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.


Um....really?

You honestly, and with no trolling, equate human children to dogs and cats?

Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.

I hate to admit it, but I'd do the same if it was a complete stranger's kid vs my cats.


Toxoplasmosis poisoning. Or perhaps even, a toxoplasmotic hijacking.
 
2010-01-03 10:28:00 PM  
It sounds like you guys need some puppy pictures.

Abby, now almost 3 years old and an incredibly talented bird dog:
sites.google.com

Izzie, now almost 2 years old and the sweetest dog you've ever met:
sites.google.com

They are, of course, much bigger now:
sites.google.com
 
2010-01-03 10:32:41 PM  
I have two cats. Both are rescues.

Cat #1 (Solange) is/seems-to-be a purebred applehead Siamese that is very sweet and loving. Cat #2 (Laila) is/was a neighborhood stray that got hit by a car and went through two fences and up a flight of stairs to get to my back door. She's still a little stand-off-ish, but getting better.

Both have been spayed and chipped (Laila had all her surgeries done at once). Solange has a collar - Laila will have one soon. And I will now make it a farking point to have my vet check the chip positions and make sure they work - EVERY time the cats go for a check-up, checking the chip WILL BE part of the inspection.

To those of you who do the right thing by your animals - YOU are the farking heroes. Not PeTA, not HS - the animal's people are the heroes here.
 
2010-01-03 11:00:56 PM  

RoyBatty: MaritimeGirl: OurLadyofSorrow: corn-bread: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.


Um....really?

You honestly, and with no trolling, equate human children to dogs and cats?

Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.

I hate to admit it, but I'd do the same if it was a complete stranger's kid vs my cats.

Toxoplasmosis poisoning. Or perhaps even, a toxoplasmotic hijacking.


I also have three mental lists of my coworkers:
A) Coworkers I'd save with CPR/First Aid training.
B) Coworkers I'd let die, despite my CPR/First Aid training because there's no way in hell I'd touch them with a forty foot pole, let alone my lips.
C) Coworkers I'm not sure I'd save because letting him die would mean I wouldn't have to share my cubicle any more...
 
2010-01-03 11:59:58 PM  

MaritimeGirl: RoyBatty: MaritimeGirl: OurLadyofSorrow: corn-bread: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.


Um....really?

You honestly, and with no trolling, equate human children to dogs and cats?

Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.

I hate to admit it, but I'd do the same if it was a complete stranger's kid vs my cats.

Toxoplasmosis poisoning. Or perhaps even, a toxoplasmotic hijacking.

I also have three mental lists of my coworkers:
A) Coworkers I'd save with CPR/First Aid training.
B) Coworkers I'd let die, despite my CPR/First Aid training because there's no way in hell I'd touch them with a forty foot pole, let alone my lips.
C) Coworkers I'm not sure I'd save because letting him die would mean I wouldn't have to share my cubicle any more...


I like your way of thinking.
 
2010-01-04 12:00:29 AM  

jst3p: domari: jst3p:
That may be true, that does not make being a pet owner the same as being a parent.

Maybe not to you, but to the majority of others who have animals they love and care for in their homes, it does. I know people with dogs and cats who treat them much better than most people treat their kids.


This is not subjective, it is a point of fact. Being a pet owner is not the same as being a parent. There are numerous examples in both our legal system and in our societal norms that demonstrate this to be true.


The laws are changing about this all over the country. Pets aren't automatically considered "property" everywhere anymore. I've already known couples who have been awarded custody, visitation and support of their animals, the same as if they were human children. Dogs and cats are named in wills all the time.

As far as societal norms are concerned, that's based on opinion just like so many other things. Define "normal"? What one person thinks is abnormal is very normal for someone else.
 
2010-01-04 12:08:46 AM  

domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:
That may be true, that does not make being a pet owner the same as being a parent.

Maybe not to you, but to the majority of others who have animals they love and care for in their homes, it does. I know people with dogs and cats who treat them much better than most people treat their kids.


This is not subjective, it is a point of fact. Being a pet owner is not the same as being a parent. There are numerous examples in both our legal system and in our societal norms that demonstrate this to be true.

The laws are changing about this all over the country. Pets aren't automatically considered "property" everywhere anymore. I've already known couples who have been awarded custody, visitation and support of their animals, the same as if they were human children. Dogs and cats are named in wills all the time.


As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.
 
2010-01-04 12:14:12 AM  

domari: The laws are changing about this all over the country. Pets aren't automatically considered "property" everywhere anymore. I've already known couples who have been awarded custody, visitation and support of their animals, the same as if they were human children. Dogs and cats are named in wills all the time.


You mean like property? It isnt uncommon for someone to be awarded physical possession while the other pays the mortgage or upkeep costs.

This does not make them "the same as if they were human children".
 
2010-01-04 12:21:14 AM  
The people who refer to their pets as their kids always seem weird to me. I kind of get it, I've loved every dog I've ever owned, but I'm able to make the distinction between animal and child (of which I have none). But, to each their own. I just think they're socially inept - like Dungeons and Dragons people or furries.
 
2010-01-04 12:52:03 AM  

ace in your face: Staffist: Friskya: you can be as cocky as you like but it doesn't make you based in reality.


Yes it does. I read it in a book.
 
2010-01-04 01:09:05 AM  

jst3p: domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:


As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.


I am not sure leaving the scene of an accident is a good idea. You may not be charged with "manslaughter", but if you hit something or an animal, most state's may want you to stop, assess the damage, leave notes for the owner so you or your insurance can pay, and make sure it is safe to proceed.
 
2010-01-04 01:15:32 AM  

Aunt Crabby: jst3p: domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:


As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.

I am not sure leaving the scene of an accident is a good idea. You may not be charged with "manslaughter", but if you hit something or an animal, most state's may want you to stop, assess the damage, leave notes for the owner so you or your insurance can pay, and make sure it is safe to proceed.



While I understand what you are saying, if I hit and kill your dog there is no "leave a note for the owner so you or your insurance can pay." As I understand it, if I hit your dog it is your fault that it was in the street.

I have hit a dog once. It was a medium sided dog, it tried to cross the rural road in front of me and then changed its mind and ran back. I hit it in the head and in my rear view I saw it spining like a top. I was going about 50 at the time (the speed limit) so I turned around and went back to get it out of the road. The owner was there and the dog was still alive but not at all well. The dog died within minutes and the guy looked like he wanted to hurt me but in the end it wasn't my "fault".

I felt horrible, and it isn't that I lack compassion I just know the legal value of a dog vs a person.
 
2010-01-04 01:15:35 AM  

jst3p: domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:
That may be true, that does not make being a pet owner the same as being a parent.

Maybe not to you, but to the majority of others who have animals they love and care for in their homes, it does. I know people with dogs and cats who treat them much better than most people treat their kids.


This is not subjective, it is a point of fact. Being a pet owner is not the same as being a parent. There are numerous examples in both our legal system and in our societal norms that demonstrate this to be true.

The laws are changing about this all over the country. Pets aren't automatically considered "property" everywhere anymore. I've already known couples who have been awarded custody, visitation and support of their animals, the same as if they were human children. Dogs and cats are named in wills all the time.

As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.


Want to bet???

Maybe where you live you don't have to stop, but here in NY you do. There is a law that states you must stop if you hit a domestic animal and try to locate the owner or notify the police. Not allowed to hit something and keep going. If you hit an animal on purpose, then you can be arrested for abuse.
 
2010-01-04 01:25:59 AM  

domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:
That may be true, that does not make being a pet owner the same as being a parent.

Maybe not to you, but to the majority of others who have animals they love and care for in their homes, it does. I know people with dogs and cats who treat them much better than most people treat their kids.


This is not subjective, it is a point of fact. Being a pet owner is not the same as being a parent. There are numerous examples in both our legal system and in our societal norms that demonstrate this to be true.

The laws are changing about this all over the country. Pets aren't automatically considered "property" everywhere anymore. I've already known couples who have been awarded custody, visitation and support of their animals, the same as if they were human children. Dogs and cats are named in wills all the time.

As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.

Want to bet???

Maybe where you live you don't have to stop, but here in NY you do. There is a law that states you must stop if you hit a domestic animal and try to locate the owner or notify the police. Not allowed to hit something and keep going. If you hit an animal on purpose, then you can be arrested for abuse.


Even if I concede that point it does not make animals "like people". They are, and will remain, property.
 
2010-01-04 01:32:05 AM  

Aunt Crabby: jst3p: domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:


As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.

I am not sure leaving the scene of an accident is a good idea. You may not be charged with "manslaughter", but if you hit something or an animal, most state's may want you to stop, assess the damage, leave notes for the owner so you or your insurance can pay, and make sure it is safe to proceed.


This is part of the NY motor vehicle law which pertains to hitting animals (other than wildlife of course).

§ 601. "Leaving scene of injury to certain animals without reporting.
Any person operating a motor vehicle which shall strike and injure any horse, dog, cat or animal classified as cattle shall stop and endeavor to locate the owner or custodian of such animal or a police, peace or judicial officer of the vicinity, and take any other reasonable and appropriate action so that the animal may have necessary attention, and shall also promptly report the matter to such owner, custodian or
officer (or if no one of such has been located, then to a police officer of some other nearby community), exhibiting his or her license and insurance identification card for such vehicle..."
 
2010-01-04 01:44:48 AM  

jst3p: Aunt Crabby: jst3p: domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:


As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.

I am not sure leaving the scene of an accident is a good idea. You may not be charged with "manslaughter", but if you hit something or an animal, most state's may want you to stop, assess the damage, leave notes for the owner so you or your insurance can pay, and make sure it is safe to proceed.


While I understand what you are saying, if I hit and kill your dog there is no "leave a note for the owner so you or your insurance can pay." As I understand it, if I hit your dog it is your fault that it was in the street.

I have hit a dog once. It was a medium sided dog, it tried to cross the rural road in front of me and then changed its mind and ran back. I hit it in the head and in my rear view I saw it spining like a top. I was going about 50 at the time (the speed limit) so I turned around and went back to get it out of the road. The owner was there and the dog was still alive but not at all well. The dog died within minutes and the guy looked like he wanted to hurt me but in the end it wasn't my "fault".

I felt horrible, and it isn't that I lack compassion I just know the legal value of a dog vs a person.


That's exactly why laws are being challenged and changed. How do you put a dollar amount on a dog? What's it worth to someone like you if you consider it property? Do you think a purebred dog is worth more than a mutt obtained for free from a Walmart parking lot?

Are cats totally worthless to you, or just worth less than dogs are?

Just curious to hear what you consider a dog or cat to be worth to you.

On the other hand, what's the value of a person? Does it depend on their profession or bank account? What's the value of a homeless bum?

(I know someone who hit and killed a homeless guy and his "worth" was a big controversy during the trial.)
 
2010-01-04 01:47:44 AM  

jst3p:

Even if I concede that point it does not make animals "like people". They are, and will remain, property.


The laws can and will be changed. Lots of groups are working on it.
 
2010-01-04 01:50:15 AM  

jst3p: Aunt Crabby: jst3p: domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:


As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.

I am not sure leaving the scene of an accident is a good idea. You may not be charged with "manslaughter", but if you hit something or an animal, most state's may want you to stop, assess the damage, leave notes for the owner so you or your insurance can pay, and make sure it is safe to proceed.


While I understand what you are saying, if I hit and kill your dog there is no "leave a note for the owner so you or your insurance can pay." As I understand it, if I hit your dog it is your fault that it was in the street.

I have hit a dog once. It was a medium sided dog, it tried to cross the rural road in front of me and then changed its mind and ran back. I hit it in the head and in my rear view I saw it spining like a top. I was going about 50 at the time (the speed limit) so I turned around and went back to get it out of the road. The owner was there and the dog was still alive but not at all well. The dog died within minutes and the guy looked like he wanted to hurt me but in the end it wasn't my "fault".

I felt horrible, and it isn't that I lack compassion I just know the legal value of a dog vs a person.


I understand your main point, but you may want to check your local laws. The duty to drive safely for conditions exists just as much as the duty to control a pet. Hitting a dog may be considered an "accident" that needs to be reported even if no people are hurt. I agree it is stretching it a bit to demand that you leave a note on the dead animal, but some state statutes require that you leave a note if you damage property with your car and the owner is not present.

I would think that in most states you at least have a legal duty to stop, assess the damage, and make sure it is safe to drive. You may also be liable for the accident (or partially liable) even if there was a leash law. You still have to drive safely for conditions and keep your eyes on the road. If you hit cows or sheep crossing a country road, don't you think you would owe the farmer for the damage?

I admit that legally the damages for accidentally hurting or killing an animal are far less than for hitting a person. Unless of course that person is homeless. Then you probably pay less than if you hit a cow.Link (new window)

/cultural values vary
//sometimes the law is an ass
 
2010-01-04 02:00:01 AM  

domari: jst3p: Aunt Crabby: jst3p: domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:


As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.

I am not sure leaving the scene of an accident is a good idea. You may not be charged with "manslaughter", but if you hit something or an animal, most state's may want you to stop, assess the damage, leave notes for the owner so you or your insurance can pay, and make sure it is safe to proceed.


While I understand what you are saying, if I hit and kill your dog there is no "leave a note for the owner so you or your insurance can pay." As I understand it, if I hit your dog it is your fault that it was in the street.

I have hit a dog once. It was a medium sided dog, it tried to cross the rural road in front of me and then changed its mind and ran back. I hit it in the head and in my rear view I saw it spining like a top. I was going about 50 at the time (the speed limit) so I turned around and went back to get it out of the road. The owner was there and the dog was still alive but not at all well. The dog died within minutes and the guy looked like he wanted to hurt me but in the end it wasn't my "fault".

I felt horrible, and it isn't that I lack compassion I just know the legal value of a dog vs a person.

That's exactly why laws are being challenged and changed. How do you put a dollar amount on a dog? What's it worth to someone like you if you consider it property? Do you think a purebred dog is worth more than a mutt obtained for free from a Walmart parking lot?


Civil law is pretty clear on this. It is worth the replacement cost of the pet, just like any other piece of property. Take me to court and sue for the "sentimental value" of your dog and you will be treated the same as if you wanted "sentimental value" for the trombone I ran over.

Are cats totally worthless to you, or just worth less than dogs are?

Just curious to hear what you consider a dog or cat to be worth to you.


They aren't worthless, I never said they were. They just don't compare in dollar value with people. They may to the owner, the law makes a clear distinction to the contrary.


On the other hand, what's the value of a person? Does it depend on their profession or bank account? What's the value of a homeless bum?


There is a great deal of case law in wrongful death suits for you to figure this out, and it does vary based on many variables.

(I know someone who hit and killed a homeless guy and his "worth" was a big controversy during the trial.)

Disagreeing with this does not make personal property (pets) more valuable.
 
2010-01-04 02:02:40 AM  

Aunt Crabby: jst3p: Aunt Crabby: jst3p: domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:


As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.

I am not sure leaving the scene of an accident is a good idea. You may not be charged with "manslaughter", but if you hit something or an animal, most state's may want you to stop, assess the damage, leave notes for the owner so you or your insurance can pay, and make sure it is safe to proceed.


While I understand what you are saying, if I hit and kill your dog there is no "leave a note for the owner so you or your insurance can pay." As I understand it, if I hit your dog it is your fault that it was in the street.

I have hit a dog once. It was a medium sided dog, it tried to cross the rural road in front of me and then changed its mind and ran back. I hit it in the head and in my rear view I saw it spining like a top. I was going about 50 at the time (the speed limit) so I turned around and went back to get it out of the road. The owner was there and the dog was still alive but not at all well. The dog died within minutes and the guy looked like he wanted to hurt me but in the end it wasn't my "fault".

I felt horrible, and it isn't that I lack compassion I just know the legal value of a dog vs a person.

I understand your main point, but you may want to check your local laws. The duty to drive safely for conditions exists just as much as the duty to control a pet. Hitting a dog may be considered an "accident" that needs to be reported even if no people are hurt. I agree it is stretching it a bit to demand that you leave a note on the dead animal, but some state statutes require that you leave a note if you damage property with your car and the owner is not present.

I would think that in most states you at least have a legal duty to stop, assess the damage, and make sure it is safe to drive. You may also be liable for the accident (or partially liable) even if there was a leash law. You still have to drive safely for conditions and keep your eyes on the road. If you hit cows or sheep crossing a country road, don't you think you would owe the farmer for the damage?

I admit that legally the damages for accidentally hurting or killing an animal are far less than for hitting a person. Unless of course that person is homeless. Then you probably pay less than if you hit a cow.Link (new window)

/cultural values vary
//sometimes the law is an ass


Wow, that girl must have had a good lawyer.

The guy I know who hit and killed a homeless guy is in jail. His lawyer said since it was just a homeless bum the sentence shouldn't be as harsh.

I guess the homeless people in Cali are worth more than in FL. I wonder if their animals are.
 
2010-01-04 02:11:32 AM  

Aunt Crabby: I would think that in most states you at least have a legal duty to stop, assess the damage, and make sure it is safe to drive. You may also be liable for the accident (or partially liable) even if there was a leash law. You still have to drive safely for conditions and keep your eyes on the road. If you hit cows or sheep crossing a country road, don't you think you would owe the farmer for the damage?


It has been two decades since I took drivers training but I do remember them saying that if a small animal crosses the road you needed to hold your course. The line of thought was braking or swerving would be more dangerous. I have a hard time believing that you would also owe for damages.
 
2010-01-04 02:14:50 AM  
As more cases like these show up in courts, the more laws will be changed.

Pets have "special subjective value" to their owners that courts should consider in deciding custody of the animal, a state appeals court ruled today.
Link (new window)

"We're still working toward having the courts recognizing the true value of companion animals. They're members of the family, not mere property," Sarah Scheele, 58, said from her home in Annapolis, Md., on Wednesday before flying north for the court hearing.

Link (new window)
 
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