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(Some Guy)   The bad news is your dog goes missing. The good news is it's found by the SPCA. The asinine news? The SPCA adopts it out to another family less than 72 hours later while not returning your phone calls   (thechronicleherald.ca) divider line 207
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2010-01-03 02:48:18 PM  
Friskya: please_not_again: Friskya: And this is why you actually GO to the responsible authority and LOOK for your pet yourself. If you can't be bothered to do that, what the hell are you doing with a pet, anyway? You had 3 farking days!

Mietsko: Is there some reason these idiot people did not physically go down to the center to try to see if the dog was there? If your calls are not answered its time to escalate your approach, I do not think these people did what was necessary to find their dog; thus they don't deserve him back.

try not to loose your next dog.

FTFA:

"The Antigonish area doesn't have a shelter to keep the animals. They're all fostered out and I believe we went beyond the test of reasonability in this case," she said.


How do you go down to the shelter if there isn't one?

Somewhere, there is a telephone, presumably in an office. That office is likely to have an address. In the case of a lost pet and the shelter system, it's not enough to call. You have to go see someone in person. There's no reason why the owner couldn't have gone to the office that the phone was in and found out which foster home might have their pet.

Maybe that makes it a bit clearer for you. If not, let me know and I'll see about bolding some more obvious statements for you.


There usually is a telephone but not every place is fortunate enough to have an office or a shelter for a telephone to be picked up in.

I volunteer with a small Humane Society that exists solely from memberships and donations. We don't have any kind of facility except for foster homes. We just have a cell phone that gets passed around (but does get answered).

That being said, there isn't a reason to just get an animal in, clean it up and adopt it out if you think it's owned and may have gotten lost. You can tell if an animal has been cared for or abandoned. If you're just out to adopt them out as quickly as possible w/o trying to find owners or at least making an attempt, you're in the wrong line of work.

/has 3 rescued dogs
//loves them all
///would kill anyone on a whim who'd fark with that
////I like my dogs better than I like some people
 
2010-01-03 02:50:34 PM  
Sad story, but these people weren't taking care of the dog, obviously.

No collar, tag, chip, tatoo...nothing.

Dog wasn't neutered.

If these people had taken care of their dog properly, they'd have gotten it back.
 
2010-01-03 02:51:57 PM  
Sultan Of Herf

I go one better, my cats dont leave the house. Too many people seem to think a cat loose outdoors is something to be tortured or killed, yet a loose dog needs to be cared for.

Mine are all indoor cats as well. I'm worried about an occasional escape so they're tagged. Only two escapes in 20yrs of cat ownership, but that's two too many.

I guy I work with had a neighbor lose one of his dogs to a coyote. He was playing with his dogs and two coyotes grabbed the smaller one (small beagle) and ran off with it.
 
2010-01-03 02:54:28 PM  
RoyBatty: I have to admit this is the part I don't understand:

While Ms. Williams said she has great sympathy for the family, she said the dog's new owners have the right to anonymity and enjoyment of their new pet.
Adopting a dog from the shelter gives one a right to anonymity? And there's no way the shelters can act to get messages between the two parties?
Jeez.


If I found out I'd adopted someone else's pet, I'd fall all over myself to give it back to them. And so would most other animal lovers--they know how people feel about their pets.

Course, there's some people out there, just like there are here, who believe that everything is your fault and you should never get a second chance at anything. I'd love to be that perfect. I guess that they got that inflated opinion of themselves from their dogs.
 
2010-01-03 02:56:33 PM  
Friskya:
You've just said that your GF didn't feel that the cat was worth her time or money to go and verify whether it was at the shelter. That animals life wasn't worth it to her to be inconvenienced with a daily trip to possibly be reunited with it?

Sorry - no sympathy from me.


Colour me shocked. "Welcome to Fark" and all that. She went as often as she could, on the bus, an hours-long round trip. Despite their refusal to let her know if showing up was even potentially worthwhile.

But my point was that not everyone can just hop in the car between lunch and "Guiding Light" and zip over to the animal shelter during business hours to check up on a lost pet. Bureaucracies can utterly fail to take that sort of thing into account.

/GF's cat was gorgeous and friendly, it probably found another home.
 
2010-01-03 03:00:58 PM  
AnyName: Sultan Of Herf

I go one better, my cats dont leave the house. Too many people seem to think a cat loose outdoors is something to be tortured or killed, yet a loose dog needs to be cared for.

Mine are all indoor cats as well. I'm worried about an occasional escape so they're tagged. Only two escapes in 20yrs of cat ownership, but that's two too many.

I guy I work with had a neighbor lose one of his dogs to a coyote. He was playing with his dogs and two coyotes grabbed the smaller one (small beagle) and ran off with it.


Hard to catch them once they get going too.


a1.vox.com
 
2010-01-03 03:02:22 PM  
Salt Lick Steady: Friskya

ANTIGONISH SPCA
Reach us at: (902) 863-2111
Email: antspcakniltsaeca
Fax Number: (902) 863-1228

MAILING ADDRESS
Antigonish SPCA
P.O. Box 1421
Antigonish, Nova Scotia
B2G 2L4

The number is an answering service. There is no physical location.


Google Maps says that they are on Addington Forks and West River road (NS B2G 2K9). If I didn't get a call back in a few hours on a business day, I'd be there. I would also be frantically calling each and every name listed on the site asking why I am not getting a call back. I am very emotional when it comes to my pets.

If the phone calls were made, or there is a record of the email being sent (easy enough to check), then the agency failed in it's duty to return the call or email, even if the owners did not go to the extreme measure I would. I think they should return calls and email. However, there are always way to find people and places if you are motivated.
 
2010-01-03 03:05:29 PM  
It's easy for even a well-cared for pet to get loose. One of my cats managed to make my last moving day sheer hell by vanishing during the move (I lived in a condo with at least 5 doors between me and the outside) and showing up outside the window of the new place 16 hours later. She obviously managed to crawl into something and be carried out to the truck. Thanks for the heart attack, cat. I have them chipped even though they're indoor cats, and the one who sometimes manages to escape has collar and tags too.

A lot of animal shelters seem to have problems that stem from some unholy combination of terrible management, understaffing, and staff/volunteers who hate people. I used to foster for the Toronto Humane Society and was sadly not surprised by the scandal. I would never expect a shelter to return (or even get) calls or emails, though I can understand why people without that experience might think that "hey, they have a phone number and email, perhaps I can reach a person that way." If the family really did call, either the shelter was incompetant in not getting the message, or - just as likely - someone there decided they didn't deserve their dog back.

/hugs cats
 
2010-01-03 03:08:07 PM  
You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.
 
2010-01-03 03:09:21 PM  
OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.
 
2010-01-03 03:13:33 PM  
My dog's collar comes off when we're home too. There are several reasons why. The tags rattle and can be irritating. I have a dog door so he can come and go to the backyard. Although it's unlikely, I don't want him to somehow get his collar caught and have him choke. I do work during the day so he's home alone then. Often, the collar is wet from his stick fetching from the river. I can't guarantee he won't ever get out...but the one time he did, he was huddled on the front porch trying to get back in. He also knows "wait" at the front door. It is possible that a cat or squirrel could be visiting the front porch when I open the door and "wait" would become chase like a lunatic...but I believe it's unlikely. He's microchipped.

Also, he's the best dog ever...I'm sorry I believe in spay and neuter because he could be a breed standard. Really. He's the best.
 
2010-01-03 03:14:41 PM  
Nova Scotia SPCA - Antigonish Branch
RR 4, Harbour Centre
Antigonish, NS B2G 2L2
T) 902-863-2111
F) 902-863-1228

Aunt Crabby: However, there are always way to find people and places if you are motivated.

THIS is the whole damn point! A fax usually has a physical location. And fax numbers are seldom unlisted. Doing a reverse look-up on a fax will almost always get you a physical location you can start at.
 
2010-01-03 03:15:23 PM  
jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.


Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.
 
2010-01-03 03:18:35 PM  
OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.


You are the "some" I mentioned previously.

Pets are property, children are people. If I hit your pet with my car and I am a nice person I stop, apologise, and head home. Hit a kid and try that and you will quickly learn the difference.
 
2010-01-03 03:25:42 PM  
jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.

You are the "some" I mentioned previously.

Pets are property, children are people. If I hit your pet with my car and I am a nice person I stop, apologise, and head home. Hit a kid and try that and you will quickly learn the difference.


A pet is a living, breathing thing. You killed something LIVING. I don't care if I'm one of those people that consider my cats my children. I give them plenty of love and affection. I spend my hard earned money on them, just as a parent would on an actual child.
 
2010-01-03 03:29:18 PM  
OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.

You are the "some" I mentioned previously.

Pets are property, children are people. If I hit your pet with my car and I am a nice person I stop, apologise, and head home. Hit a kid and try that and you will quickly learn the difference.

A pet is a living, breathing thing. You killed something LIVING. I don't care if I'm one of those people that consider my cats my children. I give them plenty of love and affection. I spend my hard earned money on them, just as a parent would on an actual child.


That is wonderful, but that still does not make them equivalent to a child. I know you think it does and nothing I say will convince you but they really aren't the same.
 
2010-01-03 03:29:45 PM  
jjorsett: Alonjar: KiwDaWabbit: I saw a notice of a lost cat the other day. It made me sad because it has barely cracked zero for the past few days and won't for the next week. It froze to death if anything.

/Cool story etc.

Aw.. thats sad, but honestly cats can survive in pretty cold temperatures, they have fur and tend to look for shelter(which a lot of times is a heat source, like your house heating under your deck).

Pretty much if your cat goes missing, one of two things happened: A) Some random person decided to "adopt" the "stray" and took your cat, or B) It got hit by a car.

When I lost my cat, I went with option A.

There are a few other explanations for when cats go missing. One is that it got locked in somebody's garage. An acquaintance lost his cat and went up and down the alley calling it thru garage doors. At one he got an answer. The owner of the place was away on vacation, but fortunately a neighbor had a key so he rescued it.

Another possibility is that the cat is wounded or sick. Cats go hide when they're in distress, so it's important to try to find them. I had a cat that suddenly stopped coming inside except in the middle of the night to eat, then she would disappear again. This went on for a couple of weeks, then she started coming back in. Years later when I had her x-rayed for something, the vet found a bb embedded in her back. It dawned on me then that the disappearing episode was when she had been shot and was hiding in pain. I knew just the little neighborhood shiat who had probably done it too. Fortunately for him he had moved by then.

There's also the chance that some kid nabbed it and took it God knows where. My father was driving home one day and spotted some kid sitting at a bus stop holding my dad's cat, waiting for a bus. My dad took the cat back home, but it might have ended up across town.

When I was a kid, one of our cats disappeared and we couldn't find it. Five years later it showed up again, kind of beat up but otherwise ok. He lived with us for years afterward. Never did find out where he had been for all that time.

All this is why I only have indoor cats now. The world is too dangerous to let them run around outside.



Keeping them inside is also more considerate to your neighbors.
 
2010-01-03 03:40:39 PM  
OurLadyofSorrow
You don't tag children.

You may have noticed, you also don't neuter children then put them up for adoption 72 hours after you find them. This may enlighten you greatly about the value difference between pets and children held by non-insane people.
 
2010-01-03 03:41:17 PM  
Aunt Crabby: Salt Lick Steady: Friskya

ANTIGONISH SPCA
Reach us at: (902) 863-2111
Email: antspcakniltsaeca
Fax Number: (902) 863-1228

MAILING ADDRESS
Antigonish SPCA
P.O. Box 1421
Antigonish, Nova Scotia
B2G 2L4

The number is an answering service. There is no physical location.

Google Maps says that they are on Addington Forks and West River road (NS B2G 2K9). If I didn't get a call back in a few hours on a business day, I'd be there. I would also be frantically calling each and every name listed on the site asking why I am not getting a call back. I am very emotional when it comes to my pets.

If the phone calls were made, or there is a record of the email being sent (easy enough to check), then the agency failed in it's duty to return the call or email, even if the owners did not go to the extreme measure I would. I think they should return calls and email. However, there are always way to find people and places if you are motivated.


I'd hardly consider stopping by the spca pound an *extreme* measure to find a lost pet. I mean, I'd think that'd be part of standard operating procedure.
 
2010-01-03 03:41:29 PM  
gadian: Why not file theft and transportation of stolen property charges against the shelter and adopting family? I'm sure there's a smattering of other animal charges you can pile on there as well. It won't get your dog back, but at least tie them up with lawyers so long they go out of business.

If the dogs had no tags, license, or a chip, how do you legally prove you owned it in the first place?

It's up to the owner to protect their possessions.

Many people love their animals...then you have our neighbors, who let their cat roam freely around the neighborhood with no tags but wearing a bell, knowing we have coyotes around. Their response when asked if they're worried a coyote might get their cat: "Oh, we'll just get another one." I think that's the type of mentality the SPCA is used to dealing with.
 
2010-01-03 03:47:38 PM  
Wrong_Intentions: Well if it's women's beach volleyball, 100+ spectators make sense.

Came for this...left happy
 
2010-01-03 03:54:32 PM  
OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.



Um....really?

You honestly, and with no trolling, equate human children to dogs and cats?
 
2010-01-03 03:56:49 PM  
I lost my dog in the Houston area, and visited 5 local shelters every other day to see if he showed up. Oh, and I drove from Austin for these visits. Story: Doggie ran away scared from July 4th fireworks when I left him at my family's home in Houston for vacation.

I was a bad owner and didn't put tags on him, so the search was especially difficult. Luckily I found him! I know these shelters are overwhelmed with animals and inquiries. So there was no way, I would just phone in. I made it a point to check every dog that looked like mine from shelter websites, even if the website had conflicting details (e.g., the dog wasn't neutered). Yea, I'm sure these workers love animals, but they don't have a personal pull to find the owners.

For whatever reason, we let our dogs escape, so it's up to us to put in the time and effort to find them. And make sure it doesn't happen again.
 
2010-01-03 03:57:28 PM  
jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow:
A pet is a living, breathing thing. You killed something LIVING. I don't care if I'm one of those people that consider my cats my children. I give them plenty of love and affection. I spend my hard earned money on them, just as a parent would on an actual child.

That is wonderful, but that still does not make them equivalent to a child. I know you think it does and nothing I say will convince you but they really aren't the same.



And treating an adult cat like a child does a disservice to the cat.
 
2010-01-03 03:59:00 PM  
I'm not excusing the shelter for not calling the people back, and I'm not excusing the family for losing the dog in the first place, but it's extremely difficult to run an animal shelter and it's extremely difficult to guarantee that your pet will never ever get lost, with 100% certainty.

Sh_t happens.

Again, not an excuse, just saying. There's no need to get all butt-hurt about everything.


/ of course, this is fark
// the shelter of misplaced internet butt-hurt
 
2010-01-03 04:00:49 PM  
Animals are not people.

People are not animals.


/ well, some are
// i'm lookin' at you
 
2010-01-03 04:04:36 PM  
BWC: Aunt Crabby:I would suggest that the old owner should contact the new owner to nicely assert legal rights to the animal and offer a "reward" for the trouble. Whoever doesn't keep this dog should adopt a new one. It's sad, but at least this dog is wanted, and there are many dogs who need homes.

FTA: While Ms. Williams said she has great sympathy for the family, she said the dog's new owners have the right to anonymity and enjoyment of their new pet.

Contact them how?


Frankly, if I got a dog at a shelter that still had a loving owner, Id want to give it back and get one without. That would also get two dogs out of the shelter rather than one.
 
2010-01-03 04:06:16 PM  
"By law, we're only required to hold the dog for 72 hours."

no requirement on answering phone calls though. Or checking emails or checking their voicemail.

FTA: But the family "looked everywhere for him," she said. "We called the radio station and then we emailed and telephoned the SPCA but didn't get any response." The local SPCA has no record of emails or voice messages from the family, Ms. Williams said.

//yeah right.

//get an id tag for your pets folks
 
2010-01-03 04:07:04 PM  
I was on the family's side, until I got to the part where these shiatheads hadn't even neutered the dog they claim to have loved so much. If you don't neuter your dog (and you aren't a professional breeder), then you're too irresponsible and/or immature to have one. The arguments against neutering add up to "I'm a neurotic moron who's so obsessed with my OWN testicles that I can't tell the difference between mine and my dog's. I would be miserable without mine, and I believe that the entire world revolves around my testicles, so I refuse to acknowledge that a dog can be both healthier and happier without his." Alternatively, it can mean "I'm a selfish, thoughtless a**hole who plans on breeding puppies in my back yard, and claim that this is an act of life-giving love despite the fact that most of the puppies will end up homeless, abused or neglected, or dead after I put a 'free to a good home' ad in the local newspaper." Hopefully the dog's new family will love him without projecting their own insecurities onto him.
 
2010-01-03 04:08:21 PM  
W00t sensationalism. Lets all hate the SPCA cause subby can't be bothered to RTFA.

FTA...

"They held the dog for 72 hours, after which it was taken to a local veterinarian, given its needles, neutered and adopted by another family - all before Christmas."

"By the time Ms. Mccullough made contact with the SPCA in Antigonish on Dec. 29, the dog was in a new home."


The dog was held for 72 hours before it was neutered and adopted which happened BEFORE Christmas. The owners contacted the SPCA on Dec 29. A full 4 days after Christmas.

So 4 days plus 72 hours, plus however long it took to neuter and fill out paperwork is somehow LESS than 72 hours?

Asinine tag is for the subtard.
 
Ral
2010-01-03 04:08:21 PM  
If someone can prove that they are the owner of a pet, they should certainly have recourse to sue the shelter for theft -- pets are property.

I know for sure if my friend had somehow lost his 2 cats (both are tagged and chipped) and a shelter adopted them out without even trying to identify the owner, he'd sue them into oblivion and then sue them some more.
 
2010-01-03 04:10:15 PM  
TicklemeKneeKey: I lost my dog in the Houston area, and visited 5 local shelters every other day to see if he showed up. Oh, and I drove from Austin for these visits. Story: Doggie ran away scared from July 4th fireworks when I left him at my family's home in Houston for vacation.

I was a bad owner and didn't put tags on him, so the search was especially difficult. Luckily I found him! I know these shelters are overwhelmed with animals and inquiries. So there was no way, I would just phone in. I made it a point to check every dog that looked like mine from shelter websites, even if the website had conflicting details (e.g., the dog wasn't neutered). Yea, I'm sure these workers love animals, but they don't have a personal pull to find the owners.

For whatever reason, we let our dogs escape, so it's up to us to put in the time and effort to find them. And make sure it doesn't happen again.


AND, you've just earned yourself a month of TotalFark.
 
2010-01-03 04:12:11 PM  
We found a lost Basset while we were visting relatives week. Took her to the local veterinarian and he scanned her microchip. Her name was Ethel and she was about 400 miles from home (lost when her family came to town to visit). They were so happy to be reunited with her.

Collars can get lost. Microchip your pet
 
2010-01-03 04:14:35 PM  
KiwDaWabbit: I saw a notice of a lost cat the other day. It made me sad because it has barely cracked zero for the past few days and won't for the next week. It froze to death if anything.

/Cool story etc.


Came home last night and it was 23 degrees. The cat from downstairs was huddled on the mat waiting for it's owner to come home.
 
2010-01-03 04:16:18 PM  
Friskya: TicklemeKneeKey: I lost my dog in the Houston area, and visited 5 local shelters every other day to see if he showed up. Oh, and I drove from Austin for these visits. Story: Doggie ran away scared from July 4th fireworks when I left him at my family's home in Houston for vacation.

I was a bad owner and didn't put tags on him, so the search was especially difficult. Luckily I found him! I know these shelters are overwhelmed with animals and inquiries. So there was no way, I would just phone in. I made it a point to check every dog that looked like mine from shelter websites, even if the website had conflicting details (e.g., the dog wasn't neutered). Yea, I'm sure these workers love animals, but they don't have a personal pull to find the owners.

For whatever reason, we let our dogs escape, so it's up to us to put in the time and effort to find them. And make sure it doesn't happen again.

AND, you've just earned yourself a month of TotalFark.


Thanks! Now I can waste more time on here :)
 
2010-01-03 04:21:33 PM  
TicklemeKneeKey: Friskya: TicklemeKneeKey: I lost my dog in the Houston area, and visited 5 local shelters every other day to see if he showed up. Oh, and I drove from Austin for these visits. Story: Doggie ran away scared from July 4th fireworks when I left him at my family's home in Houston for vacation.

I was a bad owner and didn't put tags on him, so the search was especially difficult. Luckily I found him! I know these shelters are overwhelmed with animals and inquiries. So there was no way, I would just phone in. I made it a point to check every dog that looked like mine from shelter websites, even if the website had conflicting details (e.g., the dog wasn't neutered). Yea, I'm sure these workers love animals, but they don't have a personal pull to find the owners.

For whatever reason, we let our dogs escape, so it's up to us to put in the time and effort to find them. And make sure it doesn't happen again.

AND, you've just earned yourself a month of TotalFark.

Thanks! Now I can waste waist more time on here :)


/sorry, pet peeve
 
2010-01-03 04:27:32 PM  
Friskya: THIS is the whole damn point! A fax usually has a physical location. And fax numbers are seldom unlisted. Doing a reverse look-up on a fax will almost always get you a physical location you can start at.

My company has a fax number provided by the phone company. Anything faxed to it gets emailed to us as a PDF. No physical fax machine involved, and a reverse lookup on the fax number will not get the company's address.
 
2010-01-03 04:29:38 PM  
jst3p: TicklemeKneeKey: Friskya: TicklemeKneeKey: I lost my dog in the Houston area, and visited 5 local shelters every other day to see if he showed up. Oh, and I drove from Austin for these visits. Story: Doggie ran away scared from July 4th fireworks when I left him at my family's home in Houston for vacation.

I was a bad owner and didn't put tags on him, so the search was especially difficult. Luckily I found him! I know these shelters are overwhelmed with animals and inquiries. So there was no way, I would just phone in. I made it a point to check every dog that looked like mine from shelter websites, even if the website had conflicting details (e.g., the dog wasn't neutered). Yea, I'm sure these workers love animals, but they don't have a personal pull to find the owners.

For whatever reason, we let our dogs escape, so it's up to us to put in the time and effort to find them. And make sure it doesn't happen again.

AND, you've just earned yourself a month of TotalFark.

Thanks! Now I can waste waist more time on here :)

/sorry, pet peeve


I know I can't stand it when the proper homophone is used, either.
 
2010-01-03 04:37:14 PM  
SpaceButler: Friskya: THIS is the whole damn point! A fax usually has a physical location. And fax numbers are seldom unlisted. Doing a reverse look-up on a fax will almost always get you a physical location you can start at.

My company has a fax number provided by the phone company. Anything faxed to it gets emailed to us as a PDF. No physical fax machine involved, and a reverse lookup on the fax number will not get the company's address.


Hence my qualifiers, "usually" and "almost". The days of the physical fax are limited, I think.
 
2010-01-03 04:43:00 PM  
Friskya: SpaceButler: Friskya: THIS is the whole damn point! A fax usually has a physical location. And fax numbers are seldom unlisted. Doing a reverse look-up on a fax will almost always get you a physical location you can start at.

My company has a fax number provided by the phone company. Anything faxed to it gets emailed to us as a PDF. No physical fax machine involved, and a reverse lookup on the fax number will not get the company's address.

Hence my qualifiers, "usually" and "almost". The days of the physical fax are limited, I think.


An odd thing to claim as "the whole damn point", then.
 
2010-01-03 05:23:41 PM  
Staffist: And license your dog.

And tag your dog.

And chip your dog.

And control your dog.


And neuter/spay your dog, which they apparently hadn't done. No telling about the "needles", since they might have done that, might not. Some people think feeding and watering and playing with a pet is enough. Then they show up at the vets when the dog's chest is full of heartworms wondering what's wrong.
 
2010-01-03 05:38:49 PM  
The neighborhood kids left the gate to our yard open and our two Pugs got out.

After searching for a couple hours we called the SPCA and they said that they had one Pug. We immediately new it was Duncan, a very friendly Pug; our little female, Bay, is very shy.

Went to the shelter and, sure enough, it was Duncan. We paid to get him out of doggy jail and took him home. We put him on a leash and took him to walk around where they found him. We figured Bay would stay in the area trying to see if he came back. It worked and they both came home that day.

Now we put their collars on when we put them in the backyard. We talked to each of the kids that came back to play and reminded them that they needed to close the gate. One of my son's friends said, "why? It's not my house and not my job".
(I heard from other parents that this was a normal respnse when they asked him to help clean up after he played.)

I smiled and said, "well, you're not welcome over here anymore, go home and don't come back until you can follow simple rules".

I expected to get a call from his parents, but it never happened.

My point is, you should call the SPCA within 24 hours
 
2010-01-03 05:50:39 PM  
I actually have a nice cat someone else chipped. The database I checked listed the shelter he came from, but the shelter no longer had the address of the cats previous person.
 
2010-01-03 06:09:18 PM  
Bodine Wilson: I actually have a nice cat someone else chipped. The database I checked listed the shelter he came from, but the shelter no longer had the address of the cats previous person.

Owner.
 
2010-01-03 06:14:38 PM  
S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: uh, and said dog had no contact info on it's collar. I at least have sense enough to make sure my pets have a phone number on the tag on their collar, plus the tag of the town dog registry.

Sour grapes.


But collars can be removed, so it's best to microchip the animals instead of depending on info on a collar.
 
2010-01-03 06:21:25 PM  
Tali: This happened to me with a kitten - I had no way to go get her as I was in the hospital, but I called the SPCA every day. When they found her, they assured me that because I was staying in contact and they KNEW she had a home, she'd be there when I was released.

I got out of the hospital four days later, went to the SPCA before I ever even went home, and they had adopted her out less than an hour after talking to me on the phone and telling me they would hold her until I could drive over from the damn hospital. They "couldn't", by which I mean didn't give a damn and REFUSED to, do anything about it. I wound up going home, on the tail end of a bout of pneumonia, and bawled my eyes out for a week before ending up BACK in the hospital. I believe to this day that the stress and grief of the whole experience had a lot to do with the relapse.

This is why the SPCA will never get a dime of my money or an hour of my volunteer time, and the smaller local rescues/shelters will get all I can feasibly give them.

/if you live in Minnesota and have a ~10 year old calico that you adopted around Thanksgiving, give Lucky the Antigravity Kitten a hug for me...


The laws aren't usually the same for cats as they are for dogs. Most states have some kind of law requiring shelters to hold dogs for a certain amount of days. But not for cats.

Our shelter has to hold dogs bacause the state law saws so. But cats will be euthanized on the spot if the shelter doesn't want to hold them or put them up for adoption.

Our shelter doesn't always call back owners either if they find a dog. One of my neighbors called the shelter as soon as they realized their dog got loose. They put up signs, called animal control officer etc. A couple weeks later they were told it was in the shelter. They're lucky they got it back.
 
2010-01-03 06:21:32 PM  
The local SPCA has no record of emails or voice messages from the family, Ms. Williams said.


//runs to phone,computer, deletes voice and email messages.

///See? nothing there
 
2010-01-03 06:23:30 PM  
jst3p: ...

Thanks! Now I can
waste waist more time on here :)

/sorry, pet peeve


I hope [you're | your] joking.
 
2010-01-03 06:25:59 PM  
If you have a list of animals that are lost and or found by animal control look yourself! DONT JUST CALL

My neighbors dog was missing, he had called animal control reported her missing...I 3 doors down found said dog and called animal control and reported I had found her. Gave description ..they said they didnt get any reports of a missing dog on my block....

Checked website and there was the report.....

idiots....
 
2010-01-03 06:26:46 PM  
cretinbob: FTFA:
But the family "looked everywhere for him," she said. "We called the radio station and then we emailed and telephoned the SPCA but didn't get any response."

Your local SPCA is a franchise,like Mcburgerworld. They vary greatly in the competence of the people who work there and the facilites they have. (the ASPCA anyway, not so sure about the RSPCA)
Same with the Humane Society. This happens more often than you think, even with tagged, tatooed, chipped animals.
This must have been a hella nice dog to only be in the shelter three days.

spent 30 days in the hole. All the other dogs would be jumping around all crazy ass and he just sat there, quiet, saying "I'm good, take me home". Brought him home as a foster and he never went back. He knows we saved and he shows his appreciation daily.
Worst thing I can say about him is that he is too affectionate.


He was at the shelter for three months! His idiot owners had plenty of time to get him if they wanted him, but obviously they couldn't care less. Nobody else wanted him either.

Their loss.
 
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