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(Some Guy)   The bad news is your dog goes missing. The good news is it's found by the SPCA. The asinine news? The SPCA adopts it out to another family less than 72 hours later while not returning your phone calls   (thechronicleherald.ca) divider line 207
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2010-01-03 01:34:55 PM  
TFA: The local SPCA has no record of emails or voice messages from the family, Ms. Williams said.
So make that "claims that the SPCA did not return phonecalls". Dog's original "owner" (no collar, no licence) is a dick. No sympathy. In Britain, failure collar your dog with owner's information can lead to a pretty stiff fine.
 
2010-01-03 01:35:06 PM  
feedle: Aunt Crabby:
I don't think they are doing it on purpose. They are mostly volunteers working on a shoe string budget.

Not always. The shelter I volunteered at was well funded, getting both funds from the city and from private donations. Yes, there was a lack of volunteers (which may have created some of the situations described), but it is worth noting that the shelter administrator made $160k/year, the staff veterinarian over $100k, and other paid positions at the shelter were often more than you'd make elsewhere in the community.

But they depended on volunteers for the majority of the front-line work. People didn't volunteer at the shelter because the environment was depressing.

God forbid the shelter administrator take a $20k/year cut in pay to hire a part-time intern just to answer the "lost pets" desk.


You are correct. I was thinking of why volunteers may tend to look for new homes instead of searching for old owners. A lot depends on the local shelter (even if it is under a bigger organization such as the SPCA). Volunteering at a shelter is depressing as hell.

Seeing a few abused animals can make some people self righteous too. Animal abuse always makes me angry. However, I know animals can get out and be lost even from good homes and I would not try and stop the old owners from claiming a lost pet.

Charities in general tend to spend too much on "administration". They also tend to have too much red tape and not enough sense. I agree that those who run a charity should not make more than an average wage for someone with their education who works in that area (some places have higher cost of living than others so I can't put a dollar limit on it).

/All you can do is research the good ones
// I still donate (but only to those I personally chose)
 
2010-01-03 01:37:07 PM  
I have to admit this is the part I don't understand:

While Ms. Williams said she has great sympathy for the family, she said the dog's new owners have the right to anonymity and enjoyment of their new pet.

Adopting a dog from the shelter gives one a right to anonymity? And there's no way the shelters can act to get messages between the two parties?

Jeez.
 
2010-01-03 01:38:38 PM  
bombsaway814: Count me in with the "you should have tagged and/or micro-chipped your dog" crowd...

Fark that.

That's a slippery slope that I won't go down.
Next thing you know, we'll be micro-chipping people.

static.seekingalpha.com
 
2010-01-03 01:39:19 PM  
RoyBatty: I have to admit this is the part I don't understand:

While Ms. Williams said she has great sympathy for the family, she said the dog's new owners have the right to anonymity and enjoyment of their new pet.

Adopting a dog from the shelter gives one a right to anonymity? And there's no way the shelters can act to get messages between the two parties?

Jeez.


Translation: "Fark you asshole, next time put a tag on your dog"
 
2010-01-03 01:41:12 PM  
Please put a friggin tag on your animals. As someone who constantly picks up strays, if you don't tag them it's going to be a bit tough finding you.

I love the ITGs who are going to kill people for picking up a stray animal and finding it a home. "How dare they care more about my animal than I do!! I'll kill 'em!!"
 
2010-01-03 01:41:34 PM  
Aw.. thats sad, but honestly cats can survive in pretty cold temperatures

I've seen outdoor cats live comfortably at around 10 degrees F.

They have to be acclimated so they grow the fur in Autumn, but after that they have no problem with cold.

/look out in the spring. POOF cat hair everywhere.
 
2010-01-03 01:41:49 PM  
FTFA:
But the family "looked everywhere for him," she said. "We called the radio station and then we emailed and telephoned the SPCA but didn't get any response."

Your local SPCA is a franchise,like Mcburgerworld. They vary greatly in the competence of the people who work there and the facilites they have. (the ASPCA anyway, not so sure about the RSPCA)
Same with the Humane Society. This happens more often than you think, even with tagged, tatooed, chipped animals.
This must have been a hella nice dog to only be in the shelter three days.


farm4.static.flickr.com

spent 30 days in the hole. All the other dogs would be jumping around all crazy ass and he just sat there, quiet, saying "I'm good, take me home". Brought him home as a foster and he never went back. He knows we saved and he shows his appreciation daily.
Worst thing I can say about him is that he is too affectionate.
 
2010-01-03 01:42:46 PM  
The good news is that the dog was adopted.

:D

/loves me my rescue dog
 
2010-01-03 01:42:47 PM  
jst3p: RoyBatty: I have to admit this is the part I don't understand:

While Ms. Williams said she has great sympathy for the family, she said the dog's new owners have the right to anonymity and enjoyment of their new pet.

Adopting a dog from the shelter gives one a right to anonymity? And there's no way the shelters can act to get messages between the two parties?

Jeez.

Translation: "Fark you asshole, next time put a tag on your dog"


Adoption could also be a euphemism for put down.
 
2010-01-03 01:42:59 PM  
Does this news come with a free frogurt?

/To the book depository!
 
2010-01-03 01:43:20 PM  
DNRTA/ORSH but...

1) This sucks for the family
2) SPCA is full of idiots
3) Subby? Where is this 'missing' place the dog went to?
I can't find it on Google Maps(tm)...
 
2010-01-03 01:43:29 PM  
I had my car stolen after parking it in a bad area, with the doors open, the keys in the ignition and the engine running. For some reason, the police don't seem very sympathetic. Boo hoo.
 
2010-01-03 01:43:46 PM  
Mietsko: Duelist: Mietsko: Is there some reason these idiot people did not physically go down to the center to try to see if the dog was there? If your calls are not answered its time to escalate your approach, I do not think these people did what was necessary to find their dog; thus they don't deserve him back.

try not to loose your next dog.

FTA, the area has no shelter. All the animals are fostered out. There was no place for the family to go. The only way to find where the dog might be would be to contact the SPCA and find out where a dog matching that description was fostered. No return call, so they couldn't.

Animal laws are weird that way. It is a living creature and its ownership can be removed from you in 72 hours, even with due diligence?

If my car is stolen and they find it 6 months later, it is still my car.

While registration and licensing is nice, it doesn't prove love of an animal. Most of that crap is just creative taxation anyway. I have a chipped animal myself, but the chip just spits out a number, not information. So if it isn't looked up in the right database, (of which there are MANY) it doesn't do much good.

So how did the family who adopted the dog, see and adopt the dog? somehow there is a way to locate this animal. I see your point however.


I think it said they were the one who found it. But I'd say they had friends on the inside anyways. NPOs don't usually work that fast, unless it is for a friend or a grant.
 
2010-01-03 01:54:36 PM  
jjorsett: All this is why I only have indoor cats now. The world is too dangerous to let them run around outside.


Having had two cats killed by predators, I can understand that sentiment but to me it would be like eating tofu because you found out you're allergic to steak. What I like about cats doesn't apply to the indoor variety so I'm just not keeping any more cats as long as I live in this predator-prone area.
 
2010-01-03 01:55:03 PM  
please_not_again: Friskya: And this is why you actually GO to the responsible authority and LOOK for your pet yourself. If you can't be bothered to do that, what the hell are you doing with a pet, anyway? You had 3 farking days!

Mietsko: Is there some reason these idiot people did not physically go down to the center to try to see if the dog was there? If your calls are not answered its time to escalate your approach, I do not think these people did what was necessary to find their dog; thus they don't deserve him back.

try not to loose your next dog.

FTFA:

"The Antigonish area doesn't have a shelter to keep the animals. They're all fostered out and I believe we went beyond the test of reasonability in this case," she said.


How do you go down to the shelter if there isn't one?


Somewhere, there is a telephone, presumably in an office. That office is likely to have an address. In the case of a lost pet and the shelter system, it's not enough to call. You have to go see someone in person. There's no reason why the owner couldn't have gone to the office that the phone was in and found out which foster home might have their pet.

Maybe that makes it a bit clearer for you. If not, let me know and I'll see about bolding some more obvious statements for you.
 
2010-01-03 01:55:18 PM  
Dogs get very attached to their owners. It is cruel to force the dog to grieve the loss of its previous owner. For all we know it could be very sad and perhaps even be suffering from separation anxiety. Yet these bastards claim they exist for the "Prevention of Cruelty to Animals". My ass.

I realize the owners should have had a collar & tag on the dog, but having their dog essentially confiscated from them should not be their punishment. This is farking bullshiat, and I hope we find a followup story about the dog being returned.
 
2010-01-03 01:55:44 PM  
My friend lost his dog, and went searching for it on his bicycle, in an ever expanding radius around his house.

He'd stop in the middle of the block and whistle for the dog, do it again on the corners, and everywhere he could, listening for the dog to bark back.

He did this for about a month.

/never did find the dog. But I thought it was a smart idea.
 
2010-01-03 01:58:32 PM  
BWC: Aunt Crabby:I would suggest that the old owner should contact the new owner to nicely assert legal rights to the animal and offer a "reward" for the trouble. Whoever doesn't keep this dog should adopt a new one. It's sad, but at least this dog is wanted, and there are many dogs who need homes.

FTA: While Ms. Williams said she has great sympathy for the family, she said the dog's new owners have the right to anonymity and enjoyment of their new pet.

Contact them how?


You are correct. There are still options. I'd try to subpoena the information if I could construct a way to claim my 72 hours were tolled by the phone call and email, or that the way the statute currently reads constitutes unlawful government taking of my property without due process (I'd have to do some research to come up with a legal theory), but it would be costly and take a lot of time and effort. If it bothered me enough, I may sue the administrator and teh local shelter for mismanagement and negligence because the failure to respond foreseeable cost me my property and recklessly inflicted emotional distress. A lot would depend on how I read the situation and whether or not I thought the practice was an ongoing problem that would need a legal action to encourage a change in the system.

It may be more practical to call the press and offer a reward if the new family volunteers to come forward and return the dog. It all depends. I might give up and adopt a new dog too.

/Given my emotional attachment to my pets, I might get all law suit-y
//and bribe-y
 
2010-01-03 01:59:26 PM  
Dog wasn't neutered, and was loose for here and there... doesn't sound like it was much of a priority for the family. Lucky dog to get away.
 
2010-01-03 01:59:55 PM  
thumbnails.hulu.com

You got a pet. You got a responsibility. If your dog gets lost you don't look for an hour then call it quits. You get your ass out there and you find that farking dog.
 
2010-01-03 02:00:03 PM  
Friskya: please_not_again: Friskya: And this is why you actually GO to the responsible authority and LOOK for your pet yourself. If you can't be bothered to do that, what the hell are you doing with a pet, anyway? You had 3 farking days!

Mietsko: Is there some reason these idiot people did not physically go down to the center to try to see if the dog was there? If your calls are not answered its time to escalate your approach, I do not think these people did what was necessary to find their dog; thus they don't deserve him back.

try not to loose your next dog.

FTFA:

"The Antigonish area doesn't have a shelter to keep the animals. They're all fostered out and I believe we went beyond the test of reasonability in this case," she said.


How do you go down to the shelter if there isn't one?

Somewhere, there is a telephone, presumably in an office. That office is likely to have an address. In the case of a lost pet and the shelter system, it's not enough to call. You have to go see someone in person. There's no reason why the owner couldn't have gone to the office that the phone was in and found out which foster home might have their pet.

Maybe that makes it a bit clearer for you. If not, let me know and I'll see about bolding some more obvious statements for you.


I think you're going to feel really stupid in a few posts.
 
2010-01-03 02:03:11 PM  
"I spoke with the RCMP on this and they feel the same. It's a difficult lesson to learn. People have to license and tag their dogs."

aaaaaaannnnd, done. License and tag your dog and, guess what, idiots, they'll call YOU.
 
2010-01-03 02:03:27 PM  
uh, and said dog had no contact info on it's collar. I at least have sense enough to make sure my pets have a phone number on the tag on their collar, plus the tag of the town dog registry.

Sour grapes.
 
2010-01-03 02:07:33 PM  
Ficoce: I think you're going to feel really stupid in a few posts.

Won't be the first time. Won't be the last. If someone can convince me that I'm being too harsh on the original owners for not taking all possible steps to find their dog, I'll happily admit that I'm an idiot.

/done it before
//don't doubt I'll have to do it again in the future
 
2010-01-03 02:09:04 PM  
AnyName: Philip J. Fry:
If you loved your dog...

Great, now I've got that damn Futurama episode in my head. Starting to cry as I type this....


That dog would have waited.

/and waited
//and waited
///and waited
 
2010-01-03 02:11:18 PM  
One time I was walking back to my apartment from a job interview when right in front of me a 6 month old Beagle bounded from the bushes and ran into a very busy street. I dropped my portfolio, coxed the little guy away from the medium while the light was red to oncoming traffic and ended up walking awkwardly w/ my work and a heavy puppy in arm. He was collared but the ring was bent and warped telling me that if he was tagged it fell off. Since this was right by a campus I believe that he was probably tied in a backyard and pulled at the tether hard enough to break the ring and ran off. Also, since this was a busy urban setting as well, there were a lot of dangers to be had.

I got about 3 blocks until I ran into another student and learned he lived in the area. I feel bad about not doing the follow through on my own but I had to walk about another mile carrying this dog since I didn't have a tether to leash him. I gave him to the student w/ the understanding that he was going to hold onto it until he could track down the owners. I walked through that neighborhood a lot and never saw fliers and didn't see any notice on Craigslist. I really hope that that little dog has been alright since then.
 
2010-01-03 02:13:17 PM  
KiwDaWabbit: I saw a notice of a lost cat the other day. It made me sad because it has barely cracked zero for the past few days and won't for the next week. It froze to death if anything.

/Cool story etc.


You'd be surprised. My mom gets families of cats living in her backyard all the time. Living in western Chicagoland, this means winter temperatures below zero at times. If any don't survive the winter, they're the exceptions. Granted, the kittens summer kittens, and are several months old by then (newborns probably wouldn't survive as well).


Alonjar: Pretty much if your cat goes missing, one of two things happened: A) Some random person decided to "adopt" the "stray" and took your cat, or B) It got hit by a car.

When I lost my cat, I went with option A.


My girlfriend went with option C: her degen cousin sold it for a couple hits of meth.

/ Or there's option B1: eaten by the local wildlife
 
2010-01-03 02:15:04 PM  
equusdc: "I spoke with the RCMP on this and they feel the same. It's a difficult lesson to learn. People have to license and tag their dogs."

aaaaaaannnnd, done. License and tag your dog and, guess what, idiots, they'll call YOU.



Fail. People are very cruelly selfish when it comes to pets. If someone finds the animal and falls in love with it, they'll discard the tags, carry it into the car, and drive it to its new home.

A long time ago, my then-stepdad used to yell at me for playing with his German Shepherd puppy in the side yard, where it could potentially be seen by people driving by. He wanted him to be either in the house or in the backyard at all times. Now I know why.

/even if "cruelly" isn't a word, you know what I mean
 
2010-01-03 02:20:36 PM  
Dog thread, please?

Cassie, shown here in a very stressed moment, was a rescue. She's tagged and chipped.

farm5.static.flickr.com
 
2010-01-03 02:21:13 PM  
AnyName: This is why I tag my cats. I also dress them in embarrassing outfits so they don't leave the house.

I go one better, my cats dont leave the house. Too many people seem to think a cat loose outdoors is something to be tortured or killed, yet a loose dog needs to be cared for.
 
2010-01-03 02:21:35 PM  
Friskya:
Somewhere, there is a telephone, presumably in an office. That office is likely to have an address. In the case of a lost pet and the shelter system, it's not enough to call. You have to go see someone in person. There's no reason why the owner couldn't have gone to the office that the phone was in and found out which foster home might have their pet.

When my GF was a student in Montreal her cat was stolen and dropped off somewhere by a malicious roommate. The shelter was at the other end of the city and would not even confirm if a white cat was there or not unless she came in person to look for it. She had limited time and money to schlep over there every day to do so.

That said, I think most shelters are run as well as possible by good people. Some are not. Think this is bad? Google "Toronto Humane Society scandal".
 
2010-01-03 02:25:40 PM  
My dog was not chipped, not neuthered, heartworm +, UTI + and 15 pounds underweight (and a large "scary looking" brindle) when I found him (most expensive "free dog" ever!). Never did find his owners, but often wonder what would happen if we ever ran into them while we were out running on the neighborhood trail.

When my dog is in for the night I take his collar off, so I could see how a dog could get "lost" without a collar - I have no idea why these folks' dog was nekkid, but there may have been a reason.

If the SPCA's job is to adopt out as many animals as possible, wouldn't it BENEFIT them to give a dog back to it's owner and adopt a potential euthanasia victim to a wanting family.

/ I volunteer at two shelters
// 5 year old dogs and large dogs are generally not easy to adopt out.
 
2010-01-03 02:27:42 PM  
RedT:

When my dog is in for the night I take his collar off.


Why, just out of curiosity?
 
2010-01-03 02:28:59 PM  
Dog gone
 
2010-01-03 02:31:20 PM  
No Such Agency: Friskya:
Somewhere, there is a telephone, presumably in an office. That office is likely to have an address. In the case of a lost pet and the shelter system, it's not enough to call. You have to go see someone in person. There's no reason why the owner couldn't have gone to the office that the phone was in and found out which foster home might have their pet.

When my GF was a student in Montreal her cat was stolen and dropped off somewhere by a malicious roommate. The shelter was at the other end of the city and would not even confirm if a white cat was there or not unless she came in person to look for it. She had limited time and money to schlep over there every day to do so.

That said, I think most shelters are run as well as possible by good people. Some are not. Think this is bad? Google "Toronto Humane Society scandal".


You've just said that your GF didn't feel that the cat was worth her time or money to go and verify whether it was at the shelter. That animals life wasn't worth it to her to be inconvenienced with a daily trip to possibly be reunited with it?

Sorry - no sympathy from me.
 
2010-01-03 02:32:09 PM  
"The local SPCA has no record of emails or voice messages from the family, Ms. Williams said."

Yeah, it can happen...

upload.wikimedia.org

/not giving Checkers back though
 
2010-01-03 02:33:44 PM  
Nogale: RedT:

When my dog is in for the night I take his collar off.

Why, just out of curiosity?


I do this with my dog as well, I cant explain it but I can assure you that he not only enjoys the process of it being removed, but also, enjoys having it put back on.

/cool story
 
2010-01-03 02:36:16 PM  
Friskya

ANTIGONISH SPCA
Reach us at: (902) 863-2111
Email: antspc­a[nospam-﹫-backwards]k­n­ilt­sa­e*ca
Fax Number: (902) 863-1228

MAILING ADDRESS
Antigonish SPCA
P.O. Box 1421
Antigonish, Nova Scotia
B2G 2L4

The number is an answering service. There is no physical location.
 
2010-01-03 02:37:13 PM  
Mietsko: Nogale: RedT:

When my dog is in for the night I take his collar off.

Why, just out of curiosity?

I do this with my dog as well, I cant explain it but I can assure you that he not only enjoys the process of it being removed, but also, enjoys having it put back on.

/cool story


We do buy our dog a new collar from time to time, but she always wears it. When we take it off, she goes directly to her bed and sulks because she knows she's about to have a bath.
 
2010-01-03 02:39:20 PM  
VermMoney: You got a pet. You got a responsibility. If your dog gets lost you don't look for an hour then call it quits. You get your ass out there and you find that farking dog.

Came here for this, surprised it took as long as it did. Thank you.
 
2010-01-03 02:40:30 PM  
Why not file theft and transportation of stolen property charges against the shelter and adopting family? I'm sure there's a smattering of other animal charges you can pile on there as well. It won't get your dog back, but at least tie them up with lawyers so long they go out of business.
 
2010-01-03 02:42:48 PM  
Microchipping a pet costs all of about $50, and some animal shelters will do it for free. If they'd done that, they wouldn't have had this problem.

I can understand that sometimes pets get out, and it seems as if they did what they could to try and find the dog. They don't seem like terrible pet owners, just maybe not the smartest ones.
 
2010-01-03 02:43:23 PM  
studebaker hoch: Aw.. thats sad, but honestly cats can survive in pretty cold temperatures

I've seen outdoor cats live comfortably at around 10 degrees F.

They have to be acclimated so they grow the fur in Autumn, but after that they have no problem with cold.

/look out in the spring. POOF cat hair everywhere.


Indeed...If you live somewhere that the cat won't really be in danger galavanting around outside, it's good for them to get out and exercise. Hell, it'll be 0 degrees out and the little farkers won't want to come in. We had outdoor cats when I was growing up, and there weren't any problems until a gang of wild dogs moved into the area. Luckily, Bear was in retirement at the ripe old age of 19 by then.
 
2010-01-03 02:44:19 PM  
He's somewhat disoriented and a little sore, but otherwise seems to be in good spirits.

/ Curious about what is home?
 
2010-01-03 02:44:53 PM  
Nogale: Mietsko: Nogale: RedT:

When my dog is in for the night I take his collar off.

Why, just out of curiosity?

I do this with my dog as well, I cant explain it but I can assure you that he not only enjoys the process of it being removed, but also, enjoys having it put back on.

/cool story

We do buy our dog a new collar from time to time, but she always wears it. When we take it off, she goes directly to her bed and sulks because she knows she's about to have a bath.


Maybe you should implement the removal process often. Keep your dog guessing, kinda like every time you put on your shoes does not always mean it's time for a walk. Farking with your dogs mind can be fun.
 
2010-01-03 02:45:06 PM  
KiwDaWabbit: I saw a notice of a lost cat the other day. It made me sad because it has barely cracked zero for the past few days and won't for the next week. It froze to death if anything.

/Cool story etc.


Actually cats can survive outdoors in the freezing cold pretty well
0F = -17c and I have seen cats casually cruising around at -30c or so (-22f)
 
2010-01-03 02:45:17 PM  
Nogale: RedT:

When my dog is in for the night I take his collar off.

Why, just out of curiosity?


He has an electric fence collar (with the two pointy prongs) and

His other collar has the rabies and name tags that make noise whenever he moves. So they are noisy and uncomfortable for sleeping.

That said, I cannot drag my dog across the electric fence unless we exit at the driveway gate opening AND I have him on his leash (or if we are in the truck).

So I could be wrong, but it would seem that even if he managed to get out in the middle of the night, he would just go hang out in his dog house.
 
2010-01-03 02:45:32 PM  
Nogale: RedT:

When my dog is in for the night I take his collar off.

Why, just out of curiosity?


Our dog has three tags; the license, the chip tag, and the rabies tag. They are jingly when he wakes up, shakes his head, and walks around in a circle before lying down again, so we take the collar off at night.
 
2010-01-03 02:47:57 PM  
Salt Lick Steady: Friskya

ANTIGONISH SPCA
Reach us at: (902) 863-2111
Email: an tspc ak nilt s a e ca
Fax Number: (902) 863-1228

MAILING ADDRESS
Antigonish SPCA
P.O. Box 1421
Antigonish, Nova Scotia
B2G 2L4

The number is an answering service. There is no physical location.


From the Antigonish SPCA website:

ANIMAL CONTROL
Officer for Antigonish Town: (902) 863-4346

You're telling me that the animal control officer for this town has absolutely no way to put a citizen in contact with a responsible party at the SPCA?

Sorry - I don't buy it.
 
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