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(Some Guy)   The bad news is your dog goes missing. The good news is it's found by the SPCA. The asinine news? The SPCA adopts it out to another family less than 72 hours later while not returning your phone calls   (thechronicleherald.ca) divider line 207
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2010-01-03 12:08:31 PM  
And this is why you actually GO to the responsible authority and LOOK for your pet yourself. If you can't be bothered to do that, what the hell are you doing with a pet, anyway? You had 3 farking days!
 
2010-01-03 12:43:53 PM  
If it's an "Ol' Yeller" dog, doesn't that mean its rabid and needs to be shot?
 
2010-01-03 12:44:02 PM  
Not a surprise at all. The SPCA never calls anyone back you have to go and look. Also they say them scan for chips but I've heard stories that they don't do it all the time, but don't have any first hand experience.
 
2010-01-03 12:44:07 PM  
And happy 13th birthday to my dog:

AWWWW! HAPPY BIRTHDAY, HAPPY birthday to your BEAUTIFUL dog!


Oh and if anyone tries to do that to my dog, I'll slice their neck!
 
2010-01-03 12:44:45 PM  
Count me in with the "you should have tagged and/or micro-chipped your dog" crowd...
 
2010-01-03 12:45:35 PM  
I saw a notice of a lost cat the other day. It made me sad because it has barely cracked zero for the past few days and won't for the next week. It froze to death if anything.

/Cool story etc.
 
2010-01-03 12:47:16 PM  
Is there some reason these idiot people did not physically go down to the center to try to see if the dog was there? If your calls are not answered its time to escalate your approach, I do not think these people did what was necessary to find their dog; thus they don't deserve him back.

try not to loose your next dog.
 
2010-01-03 12:48:20 PM  
Adopting out your lost pet is the only punitive action the SPCA can take against you.

"If you loved your dog half as much as we do he wouldn't have gotten out! Now we will punish you and you're family."
 
2010-01-03 12:52:17 PM  
I smell a 72 hour trifecta in play...
 
2010-01-03 12:52:40 PM  
bombsaway814: Count me in with the "you should have tagged and/or micro-chipped your dog" crowd...

And neutered. They (apparently) hadn't had their 5 year old dog neutered. Can a brutha get a WTF?
 
2010-01-03 12:53:04 PM  
If the family loved their dog half as much as they should have, the dog would have been wearing tags.
 
2010-01-03 12:53:04 PM  
KiwDaWabbit: I saw a notice of a lost cat the other day. It made me sad because it has barely cracked zero for the past few days and won't for the next week. It froze to death if anything.

/Cool story etc.


Aw.. thats sad, but honestly cats can survive in pretty cold temperatures, they have fur and tend to look for shelter(which a lot of times is a heat source, like your house heating under your deck).

Pretty much if your cat goes missing, one of two things happened: A) Some random person decided to "adopt" the "stray" and took your cat, or B) It got hit by a car.

When I lost my cat, I went with option A.
 
2010-01-03 12:54:04 PM  
.... now I miss my cat :(
 
2010-01-03 12:54:07 PM  
This happened to me with a kitten - I had no way to go get her as I was in the hospital, but I called the SPCA every day. When they found her, they assured me that because I was staying in contact and they KNEW she had a home, she'd be there when I was released.

I got out of the hospital four days later, went to the SPCA before I ever even went home, and they had adopted her out less than an hour after talking to me on the phone and telling me they would hold her until I could drive over from the damn hospital. They "couldn't", by which I mean didn't give a damn and REFUSED to, do anything about it. I wound up going home, on the tail end of a bout of pneumonia, and bawled my eyes out for a week before ending up BACK in the hospital. I believe to this day that the stress and grief of the whole experience had a lot to do with the relapse.

This is why the SPCA will never get a dime of my money or an hour of my volunteer time, and the smaller local rescues/shelters will get all I can feasibly give them.

/if you live in Minnesota and have a ~10 year old calico that you adopted around Thanksgiving, give Lucky the Antigravity Kitten a hug for me...
 
2010-01-03 12:54:28 PM  
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Woof!
 
2010-01-03 12:55:23 PM  
I 'rescued' dogs and cats with my ex, my current SO, friends that do as well and the SPCA is like the farking DMV. I thought putting a chip in the critters was supposed to be a good idea.
 
2010-01-03 12:57:41 PM  
In fairness to the dog's owners, there have been cases of pound employees giving found animals to friends, knowing someone is trying to get them back.
 
2010-01-03 01:00:12 PM  
"By law, we're only required to hold the dog for 72 hours."

Yes, this is all the SPCA's fault. Let's focus on that.

And if at all possible, let's work PETA into this somehow.
 
2010-01-03 01:00:24 PM  
If the family did actually call the SPCA and they actually ignored these calls, then whoever the brass is at that local SPCA should be added to George Carlin's list of people that should be thrown screaming from a helicopter.

/stupid bureaucratic rules
 
2010-01-03 01:02:10 PM  
My dog Ripley, she once got out of our fenced yard (still no idea how - the fella thinks it was the neighbor's spawn) and after driving the 'hood and not finding her, I called the humane society. I barely got out "black and white half..." and she cut me off telling me no, she wasn't there. Okay, it was right before closing so the next morning I went in and there she was...I was told by the guy volunteering that they brought her in almost 2 hours before I had called (thank goodness, a kind soul picked her up quickly) the day before.

I couldn't understand it - the place had a ton of dogs for adoption, why not at least LOOK to see if one of them already HAS a home?

BTW, she was microchipped. No answer from them on why they didn't just check it...didn't care too much at the time, I was so happy to have found her.
 
2010-01-03 01:04:03 PM  
TNel: Not a surprise at all. The SPCA never calls anyone back you have to go and look. Also they say them scan for chips but I've heard stories that they don't do it all the time, but don't have any first hand experience.

They do not [scan implanted chips] from personal experience. Or call the number on the farking tag he was wearing.

/Huskies are farking Houdinis
 
2010-01-03 01:04:07 PM  
I wish I was as perfect as half the people around here. Not everyone who loses a pet is some kind of animal abusing scumbag or a person devoid of common sense. People sometimes mess up. Animals sometimes do unpredictable shiat. There are many precautions you can take, most of which just aren't perfect or foolproof. Some pets and their owners are unfortunately unlucky.

/Cue Welcome to Fark picture
 
2010-01-03 01:04:32 PM  
I got my dog from the SPCA. They're not the most credible people all the time, depending on the location. We happened to have a good one, but I've heard real horror stories about others.

These people didn't neuter their dog because he was a country dog and had been used for breeding a couple of times. They just sound like old-fashioned people who do things the way we all used to, which isn't so great but isn't evil, either. They should have had him licensed, of course, but...

That place was closed over the weekend and still got all that work done before an adoption on Thursday? They rushed the process like mad, and while they *may* have followed the letter of the law, it doesn't sound like they're being very ethical about it all. If those people really made those calls, there's a record of it somewhere. And the fact that they called the "dog catcher" and the radio station shows they were doing what they knew to do to get the dog back.

When I find a stray or a hurt animal, I call the township about it first, not some charity.
 
2010-01-03 01:05:38 PM  
Two assholes here.

For one, the original dog owner sounds like they didn't do things exactly right. There's no excuse for not tagging/licensing the animal.

But I know from experience that some SPCA shelters don't exactly make an effort to find the previous owner, and intentionally make it as difficult as possible for lost pets to be recovered. I saw this as an SPCA shelter I (very briefly) volunteered at.

"72-hour hold" is often taken quite literally, with the pet already being shown to potential adoptive families within minutes of intake (especially if they are apparently well socialized and no apparent medical problems), and walked out the front door with a new owner at exactly the 72-hour mark. Worse: some of these same agencies will close their shelter for the weekend, but allow the animal to go out to a remote "adoption site" (such as a pet store or weekend event) and allow people to "hold" the animals. At this same shelter where I saw the above, the "lost pets" hotline answering machine was, I'm not kidding, never checked and the voice mail messages deleted without any action. Typically, the roster at the "lost pets" desk was updated irregularly, and often days old, so even if you got a live person they wouldn't always have an accurate idea of what was in the shelter. I even suspected that one of the intake volunteers was "disposing" of tags on "found" pets surrendered to the shelter.

This was a shelter I "volunteered" for for exactly two shifts. I was disgusted.

/Did I point out that this particular shelter only made $8/day on a "lost" pet that was claimed (per city ordinance), but made $80-$150 for an adoption?
//I never let my cat out again for the remainder of my stay in that one-horse town
///Cool story, bro.
 
2010-01-03 01:05:39 PM  
Mietsko: Is there some reason these idiot people did not physically go down to the center to try to see if the dog was there? If your calls are not answered its time to escalate your approach, I do not think these people did what was necessary to find their dog; thus they don't deserve him back.

try not to loose your next dog.


FTA, the area has no shelter. All the animals are fostered out. There was no place for the family to go. The only way to find where the dog might be would be to contact the SPCA and find out where a dog matching that description was fostered. No return call, so they couldn't.

Animal laws are weird that way. It is a living creature and its ownership can be removed from you in 72 hours, even with due diligence?

If my car is stolen and they find it 6 months later, it is still my car.

While registration and licensing is nice, it doesn't prove love of an animal. Most of that crap is just creative taxation anyway. I have a chipped animal myself, but the chip just spits out a number, not information. So if it isn't looked up in the right database, (of which there are MANY) it doesn't do much good.
 
2010-01-03 01:06:52 PM  
Submittard:
Adopted less than 72 hours after arrival
SPCA failed to return calls

Article:
Dog held for the required 72 hours.
Owner called SPCA 10 days after losing dog.
Dog had no collar or license.
 
2010-01-03 01:07:04 PM  
This is why I tag my cats. I also dress them in embarrassing outfits so they don't leave the house.

i46.tinypic.com
 
2010-01-03 01:07:07 PM  
Philip J. Fry:
"If you loved your dog half as much as we do he wouldn't have gotten out! Now we will punish you and you're family."


That's kind of an awkward time to tell someone that you consider them family.
 
2010-01-03 01:09:15 PM  
Friskya: And this is why you actually GO to the responsible authority and LOOK for your pet yourself. If you can't be bothered to do that, what the hell are you doing with a pet, anyway? You had 3 farking days!

Mietsko: Is there some reason these idiot people did not physically go down to the center to try to see if the dog was there? If your calls are not answered its time to escalate your approach, I do not think these people did what was necessary to find their dog; thus they don't deserve him back.

try not to loose your next dog.


FTFA:

"The Antigonish area doesn't have a shelter to keep the animals. They're all fostered out and I believe we went beyond the test of reasonability in this case," she said.


How do you go down to the shelter if there isn't one?
 
2010-01-03 01:09:27 PM  
It does seem that they could have put a bit more effort into finding the dog.
We have 2 rescue dogs. It is not uncommon for dogs to wander from a new home. This is why they should be wearing collars with phone numbers on them.
 
2010-01-03 01:09:34 PM  
My dog ran off New Year's Eve because of the fireworks going off--who knew that when fireworks are going off outside the house, the place to escape them is far, far away from home?--but she found her way home by the next morning. I was awake most of the night thinking of all the things I'd have to do to get her back, and that's if someone didn't steal her. She wasn't wearing a collar because she got it caught in the fence a few days ago.

She has two different-colored eyes, but if somebody decides they want a nice new dog, all the looking in the world isn't going to help.
 
2010-01-03 01:10:39 PM  
Duelist: Mietsko: Is there some reason these idiot people did not physically go down to the center to try to see if the dog was there? If your calls are not answered its time to escalate your approach, I do not think these people did what was necessary to find their dog; thus they don't deserve him back.

try not to loose your next dog.

FTA, the area has no shelter. All the animals are fostered out. There was no place for the family to go. The only way to find where the dog might be would be to contact the SPCA and find out where a dog matching that description was fostered. No return call, so they couldn't.

Animal laws are weird that way. It is a living creature and its ownership can be removed from you in 72 hours, even with due diligence?

If my car is stolen and they find it 6 months later, it is still my car.

While registration and licensing is nice, it doesn't prove love of an animal. Most of that crap is just creative taxation anyway. I have a chipped animal myself, but the chip just spits out a number, not information. So if it isn't looked up in the right database, (of which there are MANY) it doesn't do much good.


So how did the family who adopted the dog, see and adopt the dog? somehow there is a way to locate this animal. I see your point however.
 
2010-01-03 01:11:39 PM  
I am going to burn my local SPCA to the ground. I adopted a dog they said was spayed, but in fact wasn't. Now I'm trying to figure out to do with the litter of puppies I'm going to have on my hands in a couple of months.
 
2010-01-03 01:11:49 PM  
Philip J. Fry: Adopting out your lost pet is the only punitive action the SPCA can take against you.

"If you loved your dog half as much as we do he wouldn't have gotten out! Now we will punish you and you're family."


I don't think they are doing it on purpose. They are mostly volunteers working on a shoe string budget. They see too many pets abandoned and many of the animals will have to be put down. If they don't answer the phone it probably means they lack the staff to cover the lines all the time.

You have to go and look yourself. There are not enough resources to keep all the homeless pets alive, much less to track down all the old owners. You have to make an effort.

People who love animals enough to volunteer hate seeing abandoned pets put down. If a pet appears to be abandoned and no owner shows up to claim it, the best thing for it is to get it a new home. That isn't a judgment on the old owner. It's trying to make sure the animal is not killed. Even in the no-kill shelters, the SPCA doesn't have the resources to care for all animals until they find the owners and make sure the animal is not wanted. There are simply too many pets without homes for most shelters to keep all animals indefinitely.

I would suggest that the old owner should contact the new owner to nicely assert legal rights to the animal and offer a "reward" for the trouble. Whoever doesn't keep this dog should adopt a new one. It's sad, but at least this dog is wanted, and there are many dogs who need homes.

/If this bothers you, donate to a nice no-kill shelter
//Do not donate to PETA--they usually kill the animals right away without giving the owners a chance to find the lost pet or trying to get them adopted
 
2010-01-03 01:14:26 PM  
My dog is tagged, chipped and registered with the State and the Humane Society. If you find my dog, then decide to either keep or "adopt" her out to another family, expect to have a .45 slug enter your skull at 900 feet per second.

Tags are easy to "lose" and collars can magically disappear. Not every dog is chipped in exactly the same spot (or even chipped at all), so it's easy to say "we didn't find one." But by God, if anybody tries to pull this on me, they will not be long for this world.

In my mind, dognapping deserves the same penalty as kidnapping: cranial ventilation.

You fark with my pack, I fark with you, personally.

/goes off to play with his Akita
 
2010-01-03 01:14:31 PM  
Don't have to read the article to realize the people at the SPCA were not happy with these dog owners. It's a tough job, not many people can even do it.
 
2010-01-03 01:16:08 PM  
Philip J. Fry:
If you loved your dog...

Great, now I've got that damn Futurama episode in my head. Starting to cry as I type this....
 
2010-01-03 01:16:30 PM  
Mietsko: Is there some reason these idiot people did not physically go down to the center to try to see if the dog was there? If your calls are not answered its time to escalate your approach, I do not think these people did what was necessary to find their dog; thus they don't deserve him back.

try not to loose your next dog.


Apparently that's what you have to do, but some cities may have multiple shelters and why shouldn't the SPCA bother to call back and say "Why yes we do have a dog that appears to match the description you left on my voice mail."?

If they really cared about animals and their owners they would. Instead they collect fees for adopting it out. And is it really good to give a pet "needles" if you have no idea of its medical history?

How many rabies shots can a dog get before it adversely affects its health?
 
2010-01-03 01:17:24 PM  
Tali: This happened to me with a kitten - I had no way to go get her as I was in the hospital, but I called the SPCA every day. When they found her, they assured me that because I was staying in contact and they KNEW she had a home, she'd be there when I was released.

I got out of the hospital four days later, went to the SPCA before I ever even went home, and they had adopted her out less than an hour after talking to me on the phone and telling me they would hold her until I could drive over from the damn hospital. They "couldn't", by which I mean didn't give a damn and REFUSED to, do anything about it. I wound up going home, on the tail end of a bout of pneumonia, and bawled my eyes out for a week before ending up BACK in the hospital. I believe to this day that the stress and grief of the whole experience had a lot to do with the relapse.


Really? I will never "get" animal people.
 
2010-01-03 01:17:36 PM  
Pet 'rescue' organizations can get a bit self-righteous. That's putting it mildly. Then again, some are awesome. Petfinder.com should have a comment posting feature.
 
2010-01-03 01:17:40 PM  
Alonjar: KiwDaWabbit: I saw a notice of a lost cat the other day. It made me sad because it has barely cracked zero for the past few days and won't for the next week. It froze to death if anything.

/Cool story etc.

Aw.. thats sad, but honestly cats can survive in pretty cold temperatures, they have fur and tend to look for shelter(which a lot of times is a heat source, like your house heating under your deck).

Pretty much if your cat goes missing, one of two things happened: A) Some random person decided to "adopt" the "stray" and took your cat, or B) It got hit by a car.

When I lost my cat, I went with option A.


Cats are pretty resilient. Last week I found a cat hiding behind my hottub. Took two fark'n hours to get it to come out (the fact that my dog initially found it and spent a good 10 minutes barking at it didn't help). The cat was chipped and my vet got it back to the family which ended up being only a couple of blocks away.

/not the first time
 
2010-01-03 01:17:43 PM  
Aunt Crabby:
I don't think they are doing it on purpose. They are mostly volunteers working on a shoe string budget.

Not always. The shelter I volunteered at was well funded, getting both funds from the city and from private donations. Yes, there was a lack of volunteers (which may have created some of the situations described), but it is worth noting that the shelter administrator made $160k/year, the staff veterinarian over $100k, and other paid positions at the shelter were often more than you'd make elsewhere in the community.

But they depended on volunteers for the majority of the front-line work. People didn't volunteer at the shelter because the environment was depressing.

God forbid the shelter administrator take a $20k/year cut in pay to hire a part-time intern just to answer the "lost pets" desk.
 
2010-01-03 01:24:40 PM  
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2010-01-03 01:26:46 PM  
Chagrin: Submittard:
Adopted less than 72 hours after arrival
SPCA failed to return calls

Article:
Dog held for the required 72 hours.
Owner called SPCA 10 days after losing dog.
Dog had no collar or license.



The article isn't clear in this regard, but the sentence "By the time Ms. Mccullough made contact with the SPCA in Antigonish on Dec. 29, the dog was in a new home," implies that it took 10 days for her to get an SPCA rep to actually talk to her.

The implication in the article is that she called and emailed during the 72-hour period, but no one would respond to her: But the family "looked everywhere for him," she said. "We called the radio station and then we emailed and telephoned the SPCA but didn't get any response." It took the SPCA until the 29th to actually talk to the owner.

Again, I'll admit the article may not spell it out for you, but I gotta say: work on your goddamn reading comprehension skills before you claim omniscience, farktard.
 
2010-01-03 01:29:55 PM  
Hey look it's BLAME THE VICTIM!!!


Friskya: And this is why you actually GO to the responsible authority and LOOK for your pet yourself. If you can't be bothered to do that, what the hell are you doing with a pet, anyway? You had 3 farking days!

Friskya: And this is why you actually GO to the responsible authority and LOOK for your pet yourself. If you can't be bothered to do that, what the hell are you doing with a pet, anyway? You had 3 farking days!
 
BWC
2010-01-03 01:29:59 PM  
Aunt Crabby:I would suggest that the old owner should contact the new owner to nicely assert legal rights to the animal and offer a "reward" for the trouble. Whoever doesn't keep this dog should adopt a new one. It's sad, but at least this dog is wanted, and there are many dogs who need homes.

FTA: While Ms. Williams said she has great sympathy for the family, she said the dog's new owners have the right to anonymity and enjoyment of their new pet.

Contact them how?
 
2010-01-03 01:31:27 PM  
feedle: Aunt Crabby:
I don't think they are doing it on purpose. They are mostly volunteers working on a shoe string budget.

Not always. The shelter I volunteered at was well funded, getting both funds from the city and from private donations. Yes, there was a lack of volunteers (which may have created some of the situations described), but it is worth noting that the shelter administrator made $160k/year, the staff veterinarian over $100k, and other paid positions at the shelter were often more than you'd make elsewhere in the community.

But they depended on volunteers for the majority of the front-line work. People didn't volunteer at the shelter because the environment was depressing.

God forbid the shelter administrator take a $20k/year cut in pay to hire a part-time intern just to answer the "lost pets" desk.


Welcome to the world of non-profit management. The people who actually do the work are working for free or minimum wage in a grossly understaffed environment, while the head administrator, who contributes nothing, gets a bonus for keeping costs down.
 
2010-01-03 01:31:32 PM  
TrashcanMan: Hey look it's BLAME THE VICTIM!!!


Friskya: And this is why you actually GO to the responsible authority and LOOK for your pet yourself. If you can't be bothered to do that, what the hell are you doing with a pet, anyway? You had 3 farking days!

Friskya: And this is why you actually GO to the responsible authority and LOOK for your pet yourself. If you can't be bothered to do that, what the hell are you doing with a pet, anyway? You had 3 farking days!


The idiot who didn't tag their dog, didn't go look for the dog, didn't chip their dog, and let the dog get out is not a victim.
 
2010-01-03 01:31:57 PM  
My dog got out of his invisible fence once (collar broke) one night and ended up in the local pound. I called soon as they opened and confirmed that he was there then drove down there and picked him up. Had to pay a $50 fine and sign some shiat. Everybody there was staring at me like I was some sort of scumbag.

Not sure what I would have done if they had given him away. Probably find out who handles adoptions, follow them home and beat the ever loving snot out of them :/

/cue cool story tough guy mashup.
 
2010-01-03 01:34:07 PM  
Alonjar: KiwDaWabbit: I saw a notice of a lost cat the other day. It made me sad because it has barely cracked zero for the past few days and won't for the next week. It froze to death if anything.

/Cool story etc.

Aw.. thats sad, but honestly cats can survive in pretty cold temperatures, they have fur and tend to look for shelter(which a lot of times is a heat source, like your house heating under your deck).

Pretty much if your cat goes missing, one of two things happened: A) Some random person decided to "adopt" the "stray" and took your cat, or B) It got hit by a car.

When I lost my cat, I went with option A.


There are a few other explanations for when cats go missing. One is that it got locked in somebody's garage. An acquaintance lost his cat and went up and down the alley calling it thru garage doors. At one he got an answer. The owner of the place was away on vacation, but fortunately a neighbor had a key so he rescued it.

Another possibility is that the cat is wounded or sick. Cats go hide when they're in distress, so it's important to try to find them. I had a cat that suddenly stopped coming inside except in the middle of the night to eat, then she would disappear again. This went on for a couple of weeks, then she started coming back in. Years later when I had her x-rayed for something, the vet found a bb embedded in her back. It dawned on me then that the disappearing episode was when she had been shot and was hiding in pain. I knew just the little neighborhood shiat who had probably done it too. Fortunately for him he had moved by then.

There's also the chance that some kid nabbed it and took it God knows where. My father was driving home one day and spotted some kid sitting at a bus stop holding my dad's cat, waiting for a bus. My dad took the cat back home, but it might have ended up across town.

When I was a kid, one of our cats disappeared and we couldn't find it. Five years later it showed up again, kind of beat up but otherwise ok. He lived with us for years afterward. Never did find out where he had been for all that time.

All this is why I only have indoor cats now. The world is too dangerous to let them run around outside.
 
2010-01-03 01:34:55 PM  
TFA: The local SPCA has no record of emails or voice messages from the family, Ms. Williams said.
So make that "claims that the SPCA did not return phonecalls". Dog's original "owner" (no collar, no licence) is a dick. No sympathy. In Britain, failure collar your dog with owner's information can lead to a pretty stiff fine.
 
2010-01-03 01:35:06 PM  
feedle: Aunt Crabby:
I don't think they are doing it on purpose. They are mostly volunteers working on a shoe string budget.

Not always. The shelter I volunteered at was well funded, getting both funds from the city and from private donations. Yes, there was a lack of volunteers (which may have created some of the situations described), but it is worth noting that the shelter administrator made $160k/year, the staff veterinarian over $100k, and other paid positions at the shelter were often more than you'd make elsewhere in the community.

But they depended on volunteers for the majority of the front-line work. People didn't volunteer at the shelter because the environment was depressing.

God forbid the shelter administrator take a $20k/year cut in pay to hire a part-time intern just to answer the "lost pets" desk.


You are correct. I was thinking of why volunteers may tend to look for new homes instead of searching for old owners. A lot depends on the local shelter (even if it is under a bigger organization such as the SPCA). Volunteering at a shelter is depressing as hell.

Seeing a few abused animals can make some people self righteous too. Animal abuse always makes me angry. However, I know animals can get out and be lost even from good homes and I would not try and stop the old owners from claiming a lost pet.

Charities in general tend to spend too much on "administration". They also tend to have too much red tape and not enough sense. I agree that those who run a charity should not make more than an average wage for someone with their education who works in that area (some places have higher cost of living than others so I can't put a dollar limit on it).

/All you can do is research the good ones
// I still donate (but only to those I personally chose)
 
2010-01-03 01:37:07 PM  
I have to admit this is the part I don't understand:

While Ms. Williams said she has great sympathy for the family, she said the dog's new owners have the right to anonymity and enjoyment of their new pet.

Adopting a dog from the shelter gives one a right to anonymity? And there's no way the shelters can act to get messages between the two parties?

Jeez.
 
2010-01-03 01:38:38 PM  
bombsaway814: Count me in with the "you should have tagged and/or micro-chipped your dog" crowd...

Fark that.

That's a slippery slope that I won't go down.
Next thing you know, we'll be micro-chipping people.

static.seekingalpha.com
 
2010-01-03 01:39:19 PM  
RoyBatty: I have to admit this is the part I don't understand:

While Ms. Williams said she has great sympathy for the family, she said the dog's new owners have the right to anonymity and enjoyment of their new pet.

Adopting a dog from the shelter gives one a right to anonymity? And there's no way the shelters can act to get messages between the two parties?

Jeez.


Translation: "Fark you asshole, next time put a tag on your dog"
 
2010-01-03 01:41:12 PM  
Please put a friggin tag on your animals. As someone who constantly picks up strays, if you don't tag them it's going to be a bit tough finding you.

I love the ITGs who are going to kill people for picking up a stray animal and finding it a home. "How dare they care more about my animal than I do!! I'll kill 'em!!"
 
2010-01-03 01:41:34 PM  
Aw.. thats sad, but honestly cats can survive in pretty cold temperatures

I've seen outdoor cats live comfortably at around 10 degrees F.

They have to be acclimated so they grow the fur in Autumn, but after that they have no problem with cold.

/look out in the spring. POOF cat hair everywhere.
 
2010-01-03 01:41:49 PM  
FTFA:
But the family "looked everywhere for him," she said. "We called the radio station and then we emailed and telephoned the SPCA but didn't get any response."

Your local SPCA is a franchise,like Mcburgerworld. They vary greatly in the competence of the people who work there and the facilites they have. (the ASPCA anyway, not so sure about the RSPCA)
Same with the Humane Society. This happens more often than you think, even with tagged, tatooed, chipped animals.
This must have been a hella nice dog to only be in the shelter three days.


farm4.static.flickr.com

spent 30 days in the hole. All the other dogs would be jumping around all crazy ass and he just sat there, quiet, saying "I'm good, take me home". Brought him home as a foster and he never went back. He knows we saved and he shows his appreciation daily.
Worst thing I can say about him is that he is too affectionate.
 
2010-01-03 01:42:46 PM  
The good news is that the dog was adopted.

:D

/loves me my rescue dog
 
2010-01-03 01:42:47 PM  
jst3p: RoyBatty: I have to admit this is the part I don't understand:

While Ms. Williams said she has great sympathy for the family, she said the dog's new owners have the right to anonymity and enjoyment of their new pet.

Adopting a dog from the shelter gives one a right to anonymity? And there's no way the shelters can act to get messages between the two parties?

Jeez.

Translation: "Fark you asshole, next time put a tag on your dog"


Adoption could also be a euphemism for put down.
 
2010-01-03 01:42:59 PM  
Does this news come with a free frogurt?

/To the book depository!
 
2010-01-03 01:43:20 PM  
DNRTA/ORSH but...

1) This sucks for the family
2) SPCA is full of idiots
3) Subby? Where is this 'missing' place the dog went to?
I can't find it on Google Maps(tm)...
 
2010-01-03 01:43:29 PM  
I had my car stolen after parking it in a bad area, with the doors open, the keys in the ignition and the engine running. For some reason, the police don't seem very sympathetic. Boo hoo.
 
2010-01-03 01:43:46 PM  
Mietsko: Duelist: Mietsko: Is there some reason these idiot people did not physically go down to the center to try to see if the dog was there? If your calls are not answered its time to escalate your approach, I do not think these people did what was necessary to find their dog; thus they don't deserve him back.

try not to loose your next dog.

FTA, the area has no shelter. All the animals are fostered out. There was no place for the family to go. The only way to find where the dog might be would be to contact the SPCA and find out where a dog matching that description was fostered. No return call, so they couldn't.

Animal laws are weird that way. It is a living creature and its ownership can be removed from you in 72 hours, even with due diligence?

If my car is stolen and they find it 6 months later, it is still my car.

While registration and licensing is nice, it doesn't prove love of an animal. Most of that crap is just creative taxation anyway. I have a chipped animal myself, but the chip just spits out a number, not information. So if it isn't looked up in the right database, (of which there are MANY) it doesn't do much good.

So how did the family who adopted the dog, see and adopt the dog? somehow there is a way to locate this animal. I see your point however.


I think it said they were the one who found it. But I'd say they had friends on the inside anyways. NPOs don't usually work that fast, unless it is for a friend or a grant.
 
2010-01-03 01:54:36 PM  
jjorsett: All this is why I only have indoor cats now. The world is too dangerous to let them run around outside.


Having had two cats killed by predators, I can understand that sentiment but to me it would be like eating tofu because you found out you're allergic to steak. What I like about cats doesn't apply to the indoor variety so I'm just not keeping any more cats as long as I live in this predator-prone area.
 
2010-01-03 01:55:03 PM  
please_not_again: Friskya: And this is why you actually GO to the responsible authority and LOOK for your pet yourself. If you can't be bothered to do that, what the hell are you doing with a pet, anyway? You had 3 farking days!

Mietsko: Is there some reason these idiot people did not physically go down to the center to try to see if the dog was there? If your calls are not answered its time to escalate your approach, I do not think these people did what was necessary to find their dog; thus they don't deserve him back.

try not to loose your next dog.

FTFA:

"The Antigonish area doesn't have a shelter to keep the animals. They're all fostered out and I believe we went beyond the test of reasonability in this case," she said.


How do you go down to the shelter if there isn't one?


Somewhere, there is a telephone, presumably in an office. That office is likely to have an address. In the case of a lost pet and the shelter system, it's not enough to call. You have to go see someone in person. There's no reason why the owner couldn't have gone to the office that the phone was in and found out which foster home might have their pet.

Maybe that makes it a bit clearer for you. If not, let me know and I'll see about bolding some more obvious statements for you.
 
2010-01-03 01:55:18 PM  
Dogs get very attached to their owners. It is cruel to force the dog to grieve the loss of its previous owner. For all we know it could be very sad and perhaps even be suffering from separation anxiety. Yet these bastards claim they exist for the "Prevention of Cruelty to Animals". My ass.

I realize the owners should have had a collar & tag on the dog, but having their dog essentially confiscated from them should not be their punishment. This is farking bullshiat, and I hope we find a followup story about the dog being returned.
 
2010-01-03 01:55:44 PM  
My friend lost his dog, and went searching for it on his bicycle, in an ever expanding radius around his house.

He'd stop in the middle of the block and whistle for the dog, do it again on the corners, and everywhere he could, listening for the dog to bark back.

He did this for about a month.

/never did find the dog. But I thought it was a smart idea.
 
2010-01-03 01:58:32 PM  
BWC: Aunt Crabby:I would suggest that the old owner should contact the new owner to nicely assert legal rights to the animal and offer a "reward" for the trouble. Whoever doesn't keep this dog should adopt a new one. It's sad, but at least this dog is wanted, and there are many dogs who need homes.

FTA: While Ms. Williams said she has great sympathy for the family, she said the dog's new owners have the right to anonymity and enjoyment of their new pet.

Contact them how?


You are correct. There are still options. I'd try to subpoena the information if I could construct a way to claim my 72 hours were tolled by the phone call and email, or that the way the statute currently reads constitutes unlawful government taking of my property without due process (I'd have to do some research to come up with a legal theory), but it would be costly and take a lot of time and effort. If it bothered me enough, I may sue the administrator and teh local shelter for mismanagement and negligence because the failure to respond foreseeable cost me my property and recklessly inflicted emotional distress. A lot would depend on how I read the situation and whether or not I thought the practice was an ongoing problem that would need a legal action to encourage a change in the system.

It may be more practical to call the press and offer a reward if the new family volunteers to come forward and return the dog. It all depends. I might give up and adopt a new dog too.

/Given my emotional attachment to my pets, I might get all law suit-y
//and bribe-y
 
2010-01-03 01:59:26 PM  
Dog wasn't neutered, and was loose for here and there... doesn't sound like it was much of a priority for the family. Lucky dog to get away.
 
2010-01-03 01:59:55 PM  
thumbnails.hulu.com

You got a pet. You got a responsibility. If your dog gets lost you don't look for an hour then call it quits. You get your ass out there and you find that farking dog.
 
2010-01-03 02:00:03 PM  
Friskya: please_not_again: Friskya: And this is why you actually GO to the responsible authority and LOOK for your pet yourself. If you can't be bothered to do that, what the hell are you doing with a pet, anyway? You had 3 farking days!

Mietsko: Is there some reason these idiot people did not physically go down to the center to try to see if the dog was there? If your calls are not answered its time to escalate your approach, I do not think these people did what was necessary to find their dog; thus they don't deserve him back.

try not to loose your next dog.

FTFA:

"The Antigonish area doesn't have a shelter to keep the animals. They're all fostered out and I believe we went beyond the test of reasonability in this case," she said.


How do you go down to the shelter if there isn't one?

Somewhere, there is a telephone, presumably in an office. That office is likely to have an address. In the case of a lost pet and the shelter system, it's not enough to call. You have to go see someone in person. There's no reason why the owner couldn't have gone to the office that the phone was in and found out which foster home might have their pet.

Maybe that makes it a bit clearer for you. If not, let me know and I'll see about bolding some more obvious statements for you.


I think you're going to feel really stupid in a few posts.
 
2010-01-03 02:03:11 PM  
"I spoke with the RCMP on this and they feel the same. It's a difficult lesson to learn. People have to license and tag their dogs."

aaaaaaannnnd, done. License and tag your dog and, guess what, idiots, they'll call YOU.
 
2010-01-03 02:03:27 PM  
uh, and said dog had no contact info on it's collar. I at least have sense enough to make sure my pets have a phone number on the tag on their collar, plus the tag of the town dog registry.

Sour grapes.
 
2010-01-03 02:07:33 PM  
Ficoce: I think you're going to feel really stupid in a few posts.

Won't be the first time. Won't be the last. If someone can convince me that I'm being too harsh on the original owners for not taking all possible steps to find their dog, I'll happily admit that I'm an idiot.

/done it before
//don't doubt I'll have to do it again in the future
 
2010-01-03 02:09:04 PM  
AnyName: Philip J. Fry:
If you loved your dog...

Great, now I've got that damn Futurama episode in my head. Starting to cry as I type this....


That dog would have waited.

/and waited
//and waited
///and waited
 
2010-01-03 02:11:18 PM  
One time I was walking back to my apartment from a job interview when right in front of me a 6 month old Beagle bounded from the bushes and ran into a very busy street. I dropped my portfolio, coxed the little guy away from the medium while the light was red to oncoming traffic and ended up walking awkwardly w/ my work and a heavy puppy in arm. He was collared but the ring was bent and warped telling me that if he was tagged it fell off. Since this was right by a campus I believe that he was probably tied in a backyard and pulled at the tether hard enough to break the ring and ran off. Also, since this was a busy urban setting as well, there were a lot of dangers to be had.

I got about 3 blocks until I ran into another student and learned he lived in the area. I feel bad about not doing the follow through on my own but I had to walk about another mile carrying this dog since I didn't have a tether to leash him. I gave him to the student w/ the understanding that he was going to hold onto it until he could track down the owners. I walked through that neighborhood a lot and never saw fliers and didn't see any notice on Craigslist. I really hope that that little dog has been alright since then.
 
2010-01-03 02:13:17 PM  
KiwDaWabbit: I saw a notice of a lost cat the other day. It made me sad because it has barely cracked zero for the past few days and won't for the next week. It froze to death if anything.

/Cool story etc.


You'd be surprised. My mom gets families of cats living in her backyard all the time. Living in western Chicagoland, this means winter temperatures below zero at times. If any don't survive the winter, they're the exceptions. Granted, the kittens summer kittens, and are several months old by then (newborns probably wouldn't survive as well).


Alonjar: Pretty much if your cat goes missing, one of two things happened: A) Some random person decided to "adopt" the "stray" and took your cat, or B) It got hit by a car.

When I lost my cat, I went with option A.


My girlfriend went with option C: her degen cousin sold it for a couple hits of meth.

/ Or there's option B1: eaten by the local wildlife
 
2010-01-03 02:15:04 PM  
equusdc: "I spoke with the RCMP on this and they feel the same. It's a difficult lesson to learn. People have to license and tag their dogs."

aaaaaaannnnd, done. License and tag your dog and, guess what, idiots, they'll call YOU.



Fail. People are very cruelly selfish when it comes to pets. If someone finds the animal and falls in love with it, they'll discard the tags, carry it into the car, and drive it to its new home.

A long time ago, my then-stepdad used to yell at me for playing with his German Shepherd puppy in the side yard, where it could potentially be seen by people driving by. He wanted him to be either in the house or in the backyard at all times. Now I know why.

/even if "cruelly" isn't a word, you know what I mean
 
2010-01-03 02:20:36 PM  
Dog thread, please?

Cassie, shown here in a very stressed moment, was a rescue. She's tagged and chipped.

farm5.static.flickr.com
 
2010-01-03 02:21:13 PM  
AnyName: This is why I tag my cats. I also dress them in embarrassing outfits so they don't leave the house.

I go one better, my cats dont leave the house. Too many people seem to think a cat loose outdoors is something to be tortured or killed, yet a loose dog needs to be cared for.
 
2010-01-03 02:21:35 PM  
Friskya:
Somewhere, there is a telephone, presumably in an office. That office is likely to have an address. In the case of a lost pet and the shelter system, it's not enough to call. You have to go see someone in person. There's no reason why the owner couldn't have gone to the office that the phone was in and found out which foster home might have their pet.

When my GF was a student in Montreal her cat was stolen and dropped off somewhere by a malicious roommate. The shelter was at the other end of the city and would not even confirm if a white cat was there or not unless she came in person to look for it. She had limited time and money to schlep over there every day to do so.

That said, I think most shelters are run as well as possible by good people. Some are not. Think this is bad? Google "Toronto Humane Society scandal".
 
2010-01-03 02:25:40 PM  
My dog was not chipped, not neuthered, heartworm +, UTI + and 15 pounds underweight (and a large "scary looking" brindle) when I found him (most expensive "free dog" ever!). Never did find his owners, but often wonder what would happen if we ever ran into them while we were out running on the neighborhood trail.

When my dog is in for the night I take his collar off, so I could see how a dog could get "lost" without a collar - I have no idea why these folks' dog was nekkid, but there may have been a reason.

If the SPCA's job is to adopt out as many animals as possible, wouldn't it BENEFIT them to give a dog back to it's owner and adopt a potential euthanasia victim to a wanting family.

/ I volunteer at two shelters
// 5 year old dogs and large dogs are generally not easy to adopt out.
 
2010-01-03 02:27:42 PM  
RedT:

When my dog is in for the night I take his collar off.


Why, just out of curiosity?
 
2010-01-03 02:28:59 PM  
Dog gone
 
2010-01-03 02:31:20 PM  
No Such Agency: Friskya:
Somewhere, there is a telephone, presumably in an office. That office is likely to have an address. In the case of a lost pet and the shelter system, it's not enough to call. You have to go see someone in person. There's no reason why the owner couldn't have gone to the office that the phone was in and found out which foster home might have their pet.

When my GF was a student in Montreal her cat was stolen and dropped off somewhere by a malicious roommate. The shelter was at the other end of the city and would not even confirm if a white cat was there or not unless she came in person to look for it. She had limited time and money to schlep over there every day to do so.

That said, I think most shelters are run as well as possible by good people. Some are not. Think this is bad? Google "Toronto Humane Society scandal".


You've just said that your GF didn't feel that the cat was worth her time or money to go and verify whether it was at the shelter. That animals life wasn't worth it to her to be inconvenienced with a daily trip to possibly be reunited with it?

Sorry - no sympathy from me.
 
2010-01-03 02:32:09 PM  
"The local SPCA has no record of emails or voice messages from the family, Ms. Williams said."

Yeah, it can happen...

upload.wikimedia.org

/not giving Checkers back though
 
2010-01-03 02:33:44 PM  
Nogale: RedT:

When my dog is in for the night I take his collar off.

Why, just out of curiosity?


I do this with my dog as well, I cant explain it but I can assure you that he not only enjoys the process of it being removed, but also, enjoys having it put back on.

/cool story
 
2010-01-03 02:36:16 PM  
Friskya

ANTIGONISH SPCA
Reach us at: (902) 863-2111
Email: a­n­ts­pca[nospam-﹫-backwards]knilt­sae­*c­a
Fax Number: (902) 863-1228

MAILING ADDRESS
Antigonish SPCA
P.O. Box 1421
Antigonish, Nova Scotia
B2G 2L4

The number is an answering service. There is no physical location.
 
2010-01-03 02:37:13 PM  
Mietsko: Nogale: RedT:

When my dog is in for the night I take his collar off.

Why, just out of curiosity?

I do this with my dog as well, I cant explain it but I can assure you that he not only enjoys the process of it being removed, but also, enjoys having it put back on.

/cool story


We do buy our dog a new collar from time to time, but she always wears it. When we take it off, she goes directly to her bed and sulks because she knows she's about to have a bath.
 
2010-01-03 02:39:20 PM  
VermMoney: You got a pet. You got a responsibility. If your dog gets lost you don't look for an hour then call it quits. You get your ass out there and you find that farking dog.

Came here for this, surprised it took as long as it did. Thank you.
 
2010-01-03 02:40:30 PM  
Why not file theft and transportation of stolen property charges against the shelter and adopting family? I'm sure there's a smattering of other animal charges you can pile on there as well. It won't get your dog back, but at least tie them up with lawyers so long they go out of business.
 
2010-01-03 02:42:48 PM  
Microchipping a pet costs all of about $50, and some animal shelters will do it for free. If they'd done that, they wouldn't have had this problem.

I can understand that sometimes pets get out, and it seems as if they did what they could to try and find the dog. They don't seem like terrible pet owners, just maybe not the smartest ones.
 
2010-01-03 02:43:23 PM  
studebaker hoch: Aw.. thats sad, but honestly cats can survive in pretty cold temperatures

I've seen outdoor cats live comfortably at around 10 degrees F.

They have to be acclimated so they grow the fur in Autumn, but after that they have no problem with cold.

/look out in the spring. POOF cat hair everywhere.


Indeed...If you live somewhere that the cat won't really be in danger galavanting around outside, it's good for them to get out and exercise. Hell, it'll be 0 degrees out and the little farkers won't want to come in. We had outdoor cats when I was growing up, and there weren't any problems until a gang of wild dogs moved into the area. Luckily, Bear was in retirement at the ripe old age of 19 by then.
 
2010-01-03 02:44:19 PM  
He's somewhat disoriented and a little sore, but otherwise seems to be in good spirits.

/ Curious about what is home?
 
2010-01-03 02:44:53 PM  
Nogale: Mietsko: Nogale: RedT:

When my dog is in for the night I take his collar off.

Why, just out of curiosity?

I do this with my dog as well, I cant explain it but I can assure you that he not only enjoys the process of it being removed, but also, enjoys having it put back on.

/cool story

We do buy our dog a new collar from time to time, but she always wears it. When we take it off, she goes directly to her bed and sulks because she knows she's about to have a bath.


Maybe you should implement the removal process often. Keep your dog guessing, kinda like every time you put on your shoes does not always mean it's time for a walk. Farking with your dogs mind can be fun.
 
2010-01-03 02:45:06 PM  
KiwDaWabbit: I saw a notice of a lost cat the other day. It made me sad because it has barely cracked zero for the past few days and won't for the next week. It froze to death if anything.

/Cool story etc.


Actually cats can survive outdoors in the freezing cold pretty well
0F = -17c and I have seen cats casually cruising around at -30c or so (-22f)
 
2010-01-03 02:45:17 PM  
Nogale: RedT:

When my dog is in for the night I take his collar off.

Why, just out of curiosity?


He has an electric fence collar (with the two pointy prongs) and

His other collar has the rabies and name tags that make noise whenever he moves. So they are noisy and uncomfortable for sleeping.

That said, I cannot drag my dog across the electric fence unless we exit at the driveway gate opening AND I have him on his leash (or if we are in the truck).

So I could be wrong, but it would seem that even if he managed to get out in the middle of the night, he would just go hang out in his dog house.
 
2010-01-03 02:45:32 PM  
Nogale: RedT:

When my dog is in for the night I take his collar off.

Why, just out of curiosity?


Our dog has three tags; the license, the chip tag, and the rabies tag. They are jingly when he wakes up, shakes his head, and walks around in a circle before lying down again, so we take the collar off at night.
 
2010-01-03 02:47:57 PM  
Salt Lick Steady: Friskya

ANTIGONISH SPCA
Reach us at: (902) 863-2111
Email: an tspc ak nilt s a e ca
Fax Number: (902) 863-1228

MAILING ADDRESS
Antigonish SPCA
P.O. Box 1421
Antigonish, Nova Scotia
B2G 2L4

The number is an answering service. There is no physical location.


From the Antigonish SPCA website:

ANIMAL CONTROL
Officer for Antigonish Town: (902) 863-4346

You're telling me that the animal control officer for this town has absolutely no way to put a citizen in contact with a responsible party at the SPCA?

Sorry - I don't buy it.
 
2010-01-03 02:48:18 PM  
Friskya: please_not_again: Friskya: And this is why you actually GO to the responsible authority and LOOK for your pet yourself. If you can't be bothered to do that, what the hell are you doing with a pet, anyway? You had 3 farking days!

Mietsko: Is there some reason these idiot people did not physically go down to the center to try to see if the dog was there? If your calls are not answered its time to escalate your approach, I do not think these people did what was necessary to find their dog; thus they don't deserve him back.

try not to loose your next dog.

FTFA:

"The Antigonish area doesn't have a shelter to keep the animals. They're all fostered out and I believe we went beyond the test of reasonability in this case," she said.


How do you go down to the shelter if there isn't one?

Somewhere, there is a telephone, presumably in an office. That office is likely to have an address. In the case of a lost pet and the shelter system, it's not enough to call. You have to go see someone in person. There's no reason why the owner couldn't have gone to the office that the phone was in and found out which foster home might have their pet.

Maybe that makes it a bit clearer for you. If not, let me know and I'll see about bolding some more obvious statements for you.


There usually is a telephone but not every place is fortunate enough to have an office or a shelter for a telephone to be picked up in.

I volunteer with a small Humane Society that exists solely from memberships and donations. We don't have any kind of facility except for foster homes. We just have a cell phone that gets passed around (but does get answered).

That being said, there isn't a reason to just get an animal in, clean it up and adopt it out if you think it's owned and may have gotten lost. You can tell if an animal has been cared for or abandoned. If you're just out to adopt them out as quickly as possible w/o trying to find owners or at least making an attempt, you're in the wrong line of work.

/has 3 rescued dogs
//loves them all
///would kill anyone on a whim who'd fark with that
////I like my dogs better than I like some people
 
2010-01-03 02:50:34 PM  
Sad story, but these people weren't taking care of the dog, obviously.

No collar, tag, chip, tatoo...nothing.

Dog wasn't neutered.

If these people had taken care of their dog properly, they'd have gotten it back.
 
2010-01-03 02:51:57 PM  
Sultan Of Herf

I go one better, my cats dont leave the house. Too many people seem to think a cat loose outdoors is something to be tortured or killed, yet a loose dog needs to be cared for.

Mine are all indoor cats as well. I'm worried about an occasional escape so they're tagged. Only two escapes in 20yrs of cat ownership, but that's two too many.

I guy I work with had a neighbor lose one of his dogs to a coyote. He was playing with his dogs and two coyotes grabbed the smaller one (small beagle) and ran off with it.
 
2010-01-03 02:54:28 PM  
RoyBatty: I have to admit this is the part I don't understand:

While Ms. Williams said she has great sympathy for the family, she said the dog's new owners have the right to anonymity and enjoyment of their new pet.
Adopting a dog from the shelter gives one a right to anonymity? And there's no way the shelters can act to get messages between the two parties?
Jeez.


If I found out I'd adopted someone else's pet, I'd fall all over myself to give it back to them. And so would most other animal lovers--they know how people feel about their pets.

Course, there's some people out there, just like there are here, who believe that everything is your fault and you should never get a second chance at anything. I'd love to be that perfect. I guess that they got that inflated opinion of themselves from their dogs.
 
2010-01-03 02:56:33 PM  
Friskya:
You've just said that your GF didn't feel that the cat was worth her time or money to go and verify whether it was at the shelter. That animals life wasn't worth it to her to be inconvenienced with a daily trip to possibly be reunited with it?

Sorry - no sympathy from me.


Colour me shocked. "Welcome to Fark" and all that. She went as often as she could, on the bus, an hours-long round trip. Despite their refusal to let her know if showing up was even potentially worthwhile.

But my point was that not everyone can just hop in the car between lunch and "Guiding Light" and zip over to the animal shelter during business hours to check up on a lost pet. Bureaucracies can utterly fail to take that sort of thing into account.

/GF's cat was gorgeous and friendly, it probably found another home.
 
2010-01-03 03:00:58 PM  
AnyName: Sultan Of Herf

I go one better, my cats dont leave the house. Too many people seem to think a cat loose outdoors is something to be tortured or killed, yet a loose dog needs to be cared for.

Mine are all indoor cats as well. I'm worried about an occasional escape so they're tagged. Only two escapes in 20yrs of cat ownership, but that's two too many.

I guy I work with had a neighbor lose one of his dogs to a coyote. He was playing with his dogs and two coyotes grabbed the smaller one (small beagle) and ran off with it.


Hard to catch them once they get going too.


a1.vox.com
 
2010-01-03 03:02:22 PM  
Salt Lick Steady: Friskya

ANTIGONISH SPCA
Reach us at: (902) 863-2111
Email: antspcakniltsaeca
Fax Number: (902) 863-1228

MAILING ADDRESS
Antigonish SPCA
P.O. Box 1421
Antigonish, Nova Scotia
B2G 2L4

The number is an answering service. There is no physical location.


Google Maps says that they are on Addington Forks and West River road (NS B2G 2K9). If I didn't get a call back in a few hours on a business day, I'd be there. I would also be frantically calling each and every name listed on the site asking why I am not getting a call back. I am very emotional when it comes to my pets.

If the phone calls were made, or there is a record of the email being sent (easy enough to check), then the agency failed in it's duty to return the call or email, even if the owners did not go to the extreme measure I would. I think they should return calls and email. However, there are always way to find people and places if you are motivated.
 
2010-01-03 03:05:29 PM  
It's easy for even a well-cared for pet to get loose. One of my cats managed to make my last moving day sheer hell by vanishing during the move (I lived in a condo with at least 5 doors between me and the outside) and showing up outside the window of the new place 16 hours later. She obviously managed to crawl into something and be carried out to the truck. Thanks for the heart attack, cat. I have them chipped even though they're indoor cats, and the one who sometimes manages to escape has collar and tags too.

A lot of animal shelters seem to have problems that stem from some unholy combination of terrible management, understaffing, and staff/volunteers who hate people. I used to foster for the Toronto Humane Society and was sadly not surprised by the scandal. I would never expect a shelter to return (or even get) calls or emails, though I can understand why people without that experience might think that "hey, they have a phone number and email, perhaps I can reach a person that way." If the family really did call, either the shelter was incompetant in not getting the message, or - just as likely - someone there decided they didn't deserve their dog back.

/hugs cats
 
2010-01-03 03:08:07 PM  
You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.
 
2010-01-03 03:09:21 PM  
OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.
 
2010-01-03 03:13:33 PM  
My dog's collar comes off when we're home too. There are several reasons why. The tags rattle and can be irritating. I have a dog door so he can come and go to the backyard. Although it's unlikely, I don't want him to somehow get his collar caught and have him choke. I do work during the day so he's home alone then. Often, the collar is wet from his stick fetching from the river. I can't guarantee he won't ever get out...but the one time he did, he was huddled on the front porch trying to get back in. He also knows "wait" at the front door. It is possible that a cat or squirrel could be visiting the front porch when I open the door and "wait" would become chase like a lunatic...but I believe it's unlikely. He's microchipped.

Also, he's the best dog ever...I'm sorry I believe in spay and neuter because he could be a breed standard. Really. He's the best.
 
2010-01-03 03:14:41 PM  
Nova Scotia SPCA - Antigonish Branch
RR 4, Harbour Centre
Antigonish, NS B2G 2L2
T) 902-863-2111
F) 902-863-1228

Aunt Crabby: However, there are always way to find people and places if you are motivated.

THIS is the whole damn point! A fax usually has a physical location. And fax numbers are seldom unlisted. Doing a reverse look-up on a fax will almost always get you a physical location you can start at.
 
2010-01-03 03:15:23 PM  
jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.


Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.
 
2010-01-03 03:18:35 PM  
OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.


You are the "some" I mentioned previously.

Pets are property, children are people. If I hit your pet with my car and I am a nice person I stop, apologise, and head home. Hit a kid and try that and you will quickly learn the difference.
 
2010-01-03 03:25:42 PM  
jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.

You are the "some" I mentioned previously.

Pets are property, children are people. If I hit your pet with my car and I am a nice person I stop, apologise, and head home. Hit a kid and try that and you will quickly learn the difference.


A pet is a living, breathing thing. You killed something LIVING. I don't care if I'm one of those people that consider my cats my children. I give them plenty of love and affection. I spend my hard earned money on them, just as a parent would on an actual child.
 
2010-01-03 03:29:18 PM  
OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.

You are the "some" I mentioned previously.

Pets are property, children are people. If I hit your pet with my car and I am a nice person I stop, apologise, and head home. Hit a kid and try that and you will quickly learn the difference.

A pet is a living, breathing thing. You killed something LIVING. I don't care if I'm one of those people that consider my cats my children. I give them plenty of love and affection. I spend my hard earned money on them, just as a parent would on an actual child.


That is wonderful, but that still does not make them equivalent to a child. I know you think it does and nothing I say will convince you but they really aren't the same.
 
2010-01-03 03:29:45 PM  
jjorsett: Alonjar: KiwDaWabbit: I saw a notice of a lost cat the other day. It made me sad because it has barely cracked zero for the past few days and won't for the next week. It froze to death if anything.

/Cool story etc.

Aw.. thats sad, but honestly cats can survive in pretty cold temperatures, they have fur and tend to look for shelter(which a lot of times is a heat source, like your house heating under your deck).

Pretty much if your cat goes missing, one of two things happened: A) Some random person decided to "adopt" the "stray" and took your cat, or B) It got hit by a car.

When I lost my cat, I went with option A.

There are a few other explanations for when cats go missing. One is that it got locked in somebody's garage. An acquaintance lost his cat and went up and down the alley calling it thru garage doors. At one he got an answer. The owner of the place was away on vacation, but fortunately a neighbor had a key so he rescued it.

Another possibility is that the cat is wounded or sick. Cats go hide when they're in distress, so it's important to try to find them. I had a cat that suddenly stopped coming inside except in the middle of the night to eat, then she would disappear again. This went on for a couple of weeks, then she started coming back in. Years later when I had her x-rayed for something, the vet found a bb embedded in her back. It dawned on me then that the disappearing episode was when she had been shot and was hiding in pain. I knew just the little neighborhood shiat who had probably done it too. Fortunately for him he had moved by then.

There's also the chance that some kid nabbed it and took it God knows where. My father was driving home one day and spotted some kid sitting at a bus stop holding my dad's cat, waiting for a bus. My dad took the cat back home, but it might have ended up across town.

When I was a kid, one of our cats disappeared and we couldn't find it. Five years later it showed up again, kind of beat up but otherwise ok. He lived with us for years afterward. Never did find out where he had been for all that time.

All this is why I only have indoor cats now. The world is too dangerous to let them run around outside.



Keeping them inside is also more considerate to your neighbors.
 
2010-01-03 03:40:39 PM  
OurLadyofSorrow
You don't tag children.

You may have noticed, you also don't neuter children then put them up for adoption 72 hours after you find them. This may enlighten you greatly about the value difference between pets and children held by non-insane people.
 
2010-01-03 03:41:17 PM  
Aunt Crabby: Salt Lick Steady: Friskya

ANTIGONISH SPCA
Reach us at: (902) 863-2111
Email: antspcakniltsaeca
Fax Number: (902) 863-1228

MAILING ADDRESS
Antigonish SPCA
P.O. Box 1421
Antigonish, Nova Scotia
B2G 2L4

The number is an answering service. There is no physical location.

Google Maps says that they are on Addington Forks and West River road (NS B2G 2K9). If I didn't get a call back in a few hours on a business day, I'd be there. I would also be frantically calling each and every name listed on the site asking why I am not getting a call back. I am very emotional when it comes to my pets.

If the phone calls were made, or there is a record of the email being sent (easy enough to check), then the agency failed in it's duty to return the call or email, even if the owners did not go to the extreme measure I would. I think they should return calls and email. However, there are always way to find people and places if you are motivated.


I'd hardly consider stopping by the spca pound an *extreme* measure to find a lost pet. I mean, I'd think that'd be part of standard operating procedure.
 
2010-01-03 03:41:29 PM  
gadian: Why not file theft and transportation of stolen property charges against the shelter and adopting family? I'm sure there's a smattering of other animal charges you can pile on there as well. It won't get your dog back, but at least tie them up with lawyers so long they go out of business.

If the dogs had no tags, license, or a chip, how do you legally prove you owned it in the first place?

It's up to the owner to protect their possessions.

Many people love their animals...then you have our neighbors, who let their cat roam freely around the neighborhood with no tags but wearing a bell, knowing we have coyotes around. Their response when asked if they're worried a coyote might get their cat: "Oh, we'll just get another one." I think that's the type of mentality the SPCA is used to dealing with.
 
2010-01-03 03:47:38 PM  
Wrong_Intentions: Well if it's women's beach volleyball, 100+ spectators make sense.

Came for this...left happy
 
2010-01-03 03:54:32 PM  
OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.



Um....really?

You honestly, and with no trolling, equate human children to dogs and cats?
 
2010-01-03 03:56:49 PM  
I lost my dog in the Houston area, and visited 5 local shelters every other day to see if he showed up. Oh, and I drove from Austin for these visits. Story: Doggie ran away scared from July 4th fireworks when I left him at my family's home in Houston for vacation.

I was a bad owner and didn't put tags on him, so the search was especially difficult. Luckily I found him! I know these shelters are overwhelmed with animals and inquiries. So there was no way, I would just phone in. I made it a point to check every dog that looked like mine from shelter websites, even if the website had conflicting details (e.g., the dog wasn't neutered). Yea, I'm sure these workers love animals, but they don't have a personal pull to find the owners.

For whatever reason, we let our dogs escape, so it's up to us to put in the time and effort to find them. And make sure it doesn't happen again.
 
2010-01-03 03:57:28 PM  
jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow:
A pet is a living, breathing thing. You killed something LIVING. I don't care if I'm one of those people that consider my cats my children. I give them plenty of love and affection. I spend my hard earned money on them, just as a parent would on an actual child.

That is wonderful, but that still does not make them equivalent to a child. I know you think it does and nothing I say will convince you but they really aren't the same.



And treating an adult cat like a child does a disservice to the cat.
 
2010-01-03 03:59:00 PM  
I'm not excusing the shelter for not calling the people back, and I'm not excusing the family for losing the dog in the first place, but it's extremely difficult to run an animal shelter and it's extremely difficult to guarantee that your pet will never ever get lost, with 100% certainty.

Sh_t happens.

Again, not an excuse, just saying. There's no need to get all butt-hurt about everything.


/ of course, this is fark
// the shelter of misplaced internet butt-hurt
 
2010-01-03 04:00:49 PM  
Animals are not people.

People are not animals.


/ well, some are
// i'm lookin' at you
 
2010-01-03 04:04:36 PM  
BWC: Aunt Crabby:I would suggest that the old owner should contact the new owner to nicely assert legal rights to the animal and offer a "reward" for the trouble. Whoever doesn't keep this dog should adopt a new one. It's sad, but at least this dog is wanted, and there are many dogs who need homes.

FTA: While Ms. Williams said she has great sympathy for the family, she said the dog's new owners have the right to anonymity and enjoyment of their new pet.

Contact them how?


Frankly, if I got a dog at a shelter that still had a loving owner, Id want to give it back and get one without. That would also get two dogs out of the shelter rather than one.
 
2010-01-03 04:06:16 PM  
"By law, we're only required to hold the dog for 72 hours."

no requirement on answering phone calls though. Or checking emails or checking their voicemail.

FTA: But the family "looked everywhere for him," she said. "We called the radio station and then we emailed and telephoned the SPCA but didn't get any response." The local SPCA has no record of emails or voice messages from the family, Ms. Williams said.

//yeah right.

//get an id tag for your pets folks
 
2010-01-03 04:07:04 PM  
I was on the family's side, until I got to the part where these shiatheads hadn't even neutered the dog they claim to have loved so much. If you don't neuter your dog (and you aren't a professional breeder), then you're too irresponsible and/or immature to have one. The arguments against neutering add up to "I'm a neurotic moron who's so obsessed with my OWN testicles that I can't tell the difference between mine and my dog's. I would be miserable without mine, and I believe that the entire world revolves around my testicles, so I refuse to acknowledge that a dog can be both healthier and happier without his." Alternatively, it can mean "I'm a selfish, thoughtless a**hole who plans on breeding puppies in my back yard, and claim that this is an act of life-giving love despite the fact that most of the puppies will end up homeless, abused or neglected, or dead after I put a 'free to a good home' ad in the local newspaper." Hopefully the dog's new family will love him without projecting their own insecurities onto him.
 
2010-01-03 04:08:21 PM  
W00t sensationalism. Lets all hate the SPCA cause subby can't be bothered to RTFA.

FTA...

"They held the dog for 72 hours, after which it was taken to a local veterinarian, given its needles, neutered and adopted by another family - all before Christmas."

"By the time Ms. Mccullough made contact with the SPCA in Antigonish on Dec. 29, the dog was in a new home."


The dog was held for 72 hours before it was neutered and adopted which happened BEFORE Christmas. The owners contacted the SPCA on Dec 29. A full 4 days after Christmas.

So 4 days plus 72 hours, plus however long it took to neuter and fill out paperwork is somehow LESS than 72 hours?

Asinine tag is for the subtard.
 
Ral
2010-01-03 04:08:21 PM  
If someone can prove that they are the owner of a pet, they should certainly have recourse to sue the shelter for theft -- pets are property.

I know for sure if my friend had somehow lost his 2 cats (both are tagged and chipped) and a shelter adopted them out without even trying to identify the owner, he'd sue them into oblivion and then sue them some more.
 
2010-01-03 04:10:15 PM  
TicklemeKneeKey: I lost my dog in the Houston area, and visited 5 local shelters every other day to see if he showed up. Oh, and I drove from Austin for these visits. Story: Doggie ran away scared from July 4th fireworks when I left him at my family's home in Houston for vacation.

I was a bad owner and didn't put tags on him, so the search was especially difficult. Luckily I found him! I know these shelters are overwhelmed with animals and inquiries. So there was no way, I would just phone in. I made it a point to check every dog that looked like mine from shelter websites, even if the website had conflicting details (e.g., the dog wasn't neutered). Yea, I'm sure these workers love animals, but they don't have a personal pull to find the owners.

For whatever reason, we let our dogs escape, so it's up to us to put in the time and effort to find them. And make sure it doesn't happen again.


AND, you've just earned yourself a month of TotalFark.
 
2010-01-03 04:12:11 PM  
We found a lost Basset while we were visting relatives week. Took her to the local veterinarian and he scanned her microchip. Her name was Ethel and she was about 400 miles from home (lost when her family came to town to visit). They were so happy to be reunited with her.

Collars can get lost. Microchip your pet
 
2010-01-03 04:14:35 PM  
KiwDaWabbit: I saw a notice of a lost cat the other day. It made me sad because it has barely cracked zero for the past few days and won't for the next week. It froze to death if anything.

/Cool story etc.


Came home last night and it was 23 degrees. The cat from downstairs was huddled on the mat waiting for it's owner to come home.
 
2010-01-03 04:16:18 PM  
Friskya: TicklemeKneeKey: I lost my dog in the Houston area, and visited 5 local shelters every other day to see if he showed up. Oh, and I drove from Austin for these visits. Story: Doggie ran away scared from July 4th fireworks when I left him at my family's home in Houston for vacation.

I was a bad owner and didn't put tags on him, so the search was especially difficult. Luckily I found him! I know these shelters are overwhelmed with animals and inquiries. So there was no way, I would just phone in. I made it a point to check every dog that looked like mine from shelter websites, even if the website had conflicting details (e.g., the dog wasn't neutered). Yea, I'm sure these workers love animals, but they don't have a personal pull to find the owners.

For whatever reason, we let our dogs escape, so it's up to us to put in the time and effort to find them. And make sure it doesn't happen again.

AND, you've just earned yourself a month of TotalFark.


Thanks! Now I can waste more time on here :)
 
2010-01-03 04:21:33 PM  
TicklemeKneeKey: Friskya: TicklemeKneeKey: I lost my dog in the Houston area, and visited 5 local shelters every other day to see if he showed up. Oh, and I drove from Austin for these visits. Story: Doggie ran away scared from July 4th fireworks when I left him at my family's home in Houston for vacation.

I was a bad owner and didn't put tags on him, so the search was especially difficult. Luckily I found him! I know these shelters are overwhelmed with animals and inquiries. So there was no way, I would just phone in. I made it a point to check every dog that looked like mine from shelter websites, even if the website had conflicting details (e.g., the dog wasn't neutered). Yea, I'm sure these workers love animals, but they don't have a personal pull to find the owners.

For whatever reason, we let our dogs escape, so it's up to us to put in the time and effort to find them. And make sure it doesn't happen again.

AND, you've just earned yourself a month of TotalFark.

Thanks! Now I can waste waist more time on here :)


/sorry, pet peeve
 
2010-01-03 04:27:32 PM  
Friskya: THIS is the whole damn point! A fax usually has a physical location. And fax numbers are seldom unlisted. Doing a reverse look-up on a fax will almost always get you a physical location you can start at.

My company has a fax number provided by the phone company. Anything faxed to it gets emailed to us as a PDF. No physical fax machine involved, and a reverse lookup on the fax number will not get the company's address.
 
2010-01-03 04:29:38 PM  
jst3p: TicklemeKneeKey: Friskya: TicklemeKneeKey: I lost my dog in the Houston area, and visited 5 local shelters every other day to see if he showed up. Oh, and I drove from Austin for these visits. Story: Doggie ran away scared from July 4th fireworks when I left him at my family's home in Houston for vacation.

I was a bad owner and didn't put tags on him, so the search was especially difficult. Luckily I found him! I know these shelters are overwhelmed with animals and inquiries. So there was no way, I would just phone in. I made it a point to check every dog that looked like mine from shelter websites, even if the website had conflicting details (e.g., the dog wasn't neutered). Yea, I'm sure these workers love animals, but they don't have a personal pull to find the owners.

For whatever reason, we let our dogs escape, so it's up to us to put in the time and effort to find them. And make sure it doesn't happen again.

AND, you've just earned yourself a month of TotalFark.

Thanks! Now I can waste waist more time on here :)

/sorry, pet peeve


I know I can't stand it when the proper homophone is used, either.
 
2010-01-03 04:37:14 PM  
SpaceButler: Friskya: THIS is the whole damn point! A fax usually has a physical location. And fax numbers are seldom unlisted. Doing a reverse look-up on a fax will almost always get you a physical location you can start at.

My company has a fax number provided by the phone company. Anything faxed to it gets emailed to us as a PDF. No physical fax machine involved, and a reverse lookup on the fax number will not get the company's address.


Hence my qualifiers, "usually" and "almost". The days of the physical fax are limited, I think.
 
2010-01-03 04:43:00 PM  
Friskya: SpaceButler: Friskya: THIS is the whole damn point! A fax usually has a physical location. And fax numbers are seldom unlisted. Doing a reverse look-up on a fax will almost always get you a physical location you can start at.

My company has a fax number provided by the phone company. Anything faxed to it gets emailed to us as a PDF. No physical fax machine involved, and a reverse lookup on the fax number will not get the company's address.

Hence my qualifiers, "usually" and "almost". The days of the physical fax are limited, I think.


An odd thing to claim as "the whole damn point", then.
 
2010-01-03 05:23:41 PM  
Staffist: And license your dog.

And tag your dog.

And chip your dog.

And control your dog.


And neuter/spay your dog, which they apparently hadn't done. No telling about the "needles", since they might have done that, might not. Some people think feeding and watering and playing with a pet is enough. Then they show up at the vets when the dog's chest is full of heartworms wondering what's wrong.
 
2010-01-03 05:38:49 PM  
The neighborhood kids left the gate to our yard open and our two Pugs got out.

After searching for a couple hours we called the SPCA and they said that they had one Pug. We immediately new it was Duncan, a very friendly Pug; our little female, Bay, is very shy.

Went to the shelter and, sure enough, it was Duncan. We paid to get him out of doggy jail and took him home. We put him on a leash and took him to walk around where they found him. We figured Bay would stay in the area trying to see if he came back. It worked and they both came home that day.

Now we put their collars on when we put them in the backyard. We talked to each of the kids that came back to play and reminded them that they needed to close the gate. One of my son's friends said, "why? It's not my house and not my job".
(I heard from other parents that this was a normal respnse when they asked him to help clean up after he played.)

I smiled and said, "well, you're not welcome over here anymore, go home and don't come back until you can follow simple rules".

I expected to get a call from his parents, but it never happened.

My point is, you should call the SPCA within 24 hours
 
2010-01-03 05:50:39 PM  
I actually have a nice cat someone else chipped. The database I checked listed the shelter he came from, but the shelter no longer had the address of the cats previous person.
 
2010-01-03 06:09:18 PM  
Bodine Wilson: I actually have a nice cat someone else chipped. The database I checked listed the shelter he came from, but the shelter no longer had the address of the cats previous person.

Owner.
 
2010-01-03 06:14:38 PM  
S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: uh, and said dog had no contact info on it's collar. I at least have sense enough to make sure my pets have a phone number on the tag on their collar, plus the tag of the town dog registry.

Sour grapes.


But collars can be removed, so it's best to microchip the animals instead of depending on info on a collar.
 
2010-01-03 06:21:25 PM  
Tali: This happened to me with a kitten - I had no way to go get her as I was in the hospital, but I called the SPCA every day. When they found her, they assured me that because I was staying in contact and they KNEW she had a home, she'd be there when I was released.

I got out of the hospital four days later, went to the SPCA before I ever even went home, and they had adopted her out less than an hour after talking to me on the phone and telling me they would hold her until I could drive over from the damn hospital. They "couldn't", by which I mean didn't give a damn and REFUSED to, do anything about it. I wound up going home, on the tail end of a bout of pneumonia, and bawled my eyes out for a week before ending up BACK in the hospital. I believe to this day that the stress and grief of the whole experience had a lot to do with the relapse.

This is why the SPCA will never get a dime of my money or an hour of my volunteer time, and the smaller local rescues/shelters will get all I can feasibly give them.

/if you live in Minnesota and have a ~10 year old calico that you adopted around Thanksgiving, give Lucky the Antigravity Kitten a hug for me...


The laws aren't usually the same for cats as they are for dogs. Most states have some kind of law requiring shelters to hold dogs for a certain amount of days. But not for cats.

Our shelter has to hold dogs bacause the state law saws so. But cats will be euthanized on the spot if the shelter doesn't want to hold them or put them up for adoption.

Our shelter doesn't always call back owners either if they find a dog. One of my neighbors called the shelter as soon as they realized their dog got loose. They put up signs, called animal control officer etc. A couple weeks later they were told it was in the shelter. They're lucky they got it back.
 
2010-01-03 06:21:32 PM  
The local SPCA has no record of emails or voice messages from the family, Ms. Williams said.


//runs to phone,computer, deletes voice and email messages.

///See? nothing there
 
2010-01-03 06:23:30 PM  
jst3p: ...

Thanks! Now I can
waste waist more time on here :)

/sorry, pet peeve


I hope [you're | your] joking.
 
2010-01-03 06:25:59 PM  
If you have a list of animals that are lost and or found by animal control look yourself! DONT JUST CALL

My neighbors dog was missing, he had called animal control reported her missing...I 3 doors down found said dog and called animal control and reported I had found her. Gave description ..they said they didnt get any reports of a missing dog on my block....

Checked website and there was the report.....

idiots....
 
2010-01-03 06:26:46 PM  
cretinbob: FTFA:
But the family "looked everywhere for him," she said. "We called the radio station and then we emailed and telephoned the SPCA but didn't get any response."

Your local SPCA is a franchise,like Mcburgerworld. They vary greatly in the competence of the people who work there and the facilites they have. (the ASPCA anyway, not so sure about the RSPCA)
Same with the Humane Society. This happens more often than you think, even with tagged, tatooed, chipped animals.
This must have been a hella nice dog to only be in the shelter three days.

spent 30 days in the hole. All the other dogs would be jumping around all crazy ass and he just sat there, quiet, saying "I'm good, take me home". Brought him home as a foster and he never went back. He knows we saved and he shows his appreciation daily.
Worst thing I can say about him is that he is too affectionate.


He was at the shelter for three months! His idiot owners had plenty of time to get him if they wanted him, but obviously they couldn't care less. Nobody else wanted him either.

Their loss.
 
2010-01-03 06:30:47 PM  
the myth of chipping is that you pay to have the chip monitored. we found a cat and it was chipped and the vet couldnt find out any information about the cat becuase the chip was inserted, but not imprinted with info. the ASPCA does this and you can decline having the chip "managed".

as to the collar, the family maintains that...

Ms. Williams said the local radio station in Antigonish was contacted after the dog was found and asked to read a public service announcement for three days. The notice remains on the station's website. It describes a "yellow lab mix, nick in left ear, wearing a blue collar, very friendly."

so the aspca indicated that the dog had a collar. what does that tell you? it belongs to someone. what would you do ??? sell it in 3 days.

douchebags... I would rain an unholy hell on anyone that did this to my family. my kids love our dog and if we knew he was given to someone else and not ever to return, it would devastate them.
 
2010-01-03 06:38:29 PM  
Icarus3: I was on the family's side, until I got to the part where these shiatheads hadn't even neutered the dog they claim to have loved so much. If you don't neuter your dog (and you aren't a professional breeder), then you're too irresponsible and/or immature to have one.

you are a douchebag.

if my dog stays in the house and yard, and never gets out to mingle with other dogs what does neutering get me?

and as far as your angry tirade and psychobable about projection. this is just the sort of puritanical nonsense that makes me vote in local elections. just to make sure that douchebags dont get on the city council and start burning books.
 
2010-01-03 06:46:42 PM  
jst3p: Tali: This happened to me with a kitten - I had no way to go get her as I was in the hospital, but I called the SPCA every day. When they found her, they assured me that because I was staying in contact and they KNEW she had a home, she'd be there when I was released.

I got out of the hospital four days later, went to the SPCA before I ever even went home, and they had adopted her out less than an hour after talking to me on the phone and telling me they would hold her until I could drive over from the damn hospital. They "couldn't", by which I mean didn't give a damn and REFUSED to, do anything about it. I wound up going home, on the tail end of a bout of pneumonia, and bawled my eyes out for a week before ending up BACK in the hospital. I believe to this day that the stress and grief of the whole experience had a lot to do with the relapse.

Really? I will never "get" animal people.


Please don't ever breed.
 
2010-01-03 06:49:26 PM  
jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.

You are the "some" I mentioned previously.

Pets are property, children are people. If I hit your pet with my car and I am a nice person I stop, apologise, and head home. Hit a kid and try that and you will quickly learn the difference.

A pet is a living, breathing thing. You killed something LIVING. I don't care if I'm one of those people that consider my cats my children. I give them plenty of love and affection. I spend my hard earned money on them, just as a parent would on an actual child.

That is wonderful, but that still does not make them equivalent to a child. I know you think it does and nothing I say will convince you but they really aren't the same.


Do you have any dogs or cats?

They're usually better behaved than most children are.
 
2010-01-03 06:54:40 PM  
corn-bread: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.


Um....really?

You honestly, and with no trolling, equate human children to dogs and cats?


Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.
 
2010-01-03 07:01:58 PM  
cookiefleck: And happy 13th birthday to my dog:

AWWWW! HAPPY BIRTHDAY, HAPPY birthday to your BEAUTIFUL dog!


Oh and if anyone tries to do that to my dog, I'll slice their neck!


JK
back off
There goes my weekend plans.
 
2010-01-03 07:05:53 PM  
goliad: Icarus3: I was on the family's side, until I got to the part where these shiatheads hadn't even neutered the dog they claim to have loved so much. If you don't neuter your dog (and you aren't a professional breeder), then you're too irresponsible and/or immature to have one.

you are a douchebag.

if my dog stays in the house and yard, and never gets out to mingle with other dogs what does neutering get me?

and as far as your angry tirade and psychobable about projection. this is just the sort of puritanical nonsense that makes me vote in local elections. just to make sure that douchebags dont get on the city council and start burning books.


Pot, meet kettle.
Neutering you would save the world from your lackluster genetic input.
Neutering your dog would make him happier. You keep him from other dogs, not even giving him the chance to answer nature's call that's raging through his brain thanks to the hormones provided by his junk. All he can think of is EAT. SEX. SLEEP. SEX SEX SEX (much like a typical farker) Testicular cancer is another bonus you get when you leave the testicles where they are. When a male is left intact, and a female goes into heat, that male will do all he can to get to her. But that won't be a problem for you, will it? You keep your Buddy chained in the yard, don't cha?
/you farker, are the douchebag.
 
2010-01-03 07:15:37 PM  
OurLadyofSorrow: corn-bread: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.


Um....really?

You honestly, and with no trolling, equate human children to dogs and cats?

Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.


You sound so cheerful and optimistic.
Something tells me your handle is appropriate.
 
2010-01-03 07:44:13 PM  
My father's evil neighbors once let my childhood dog, who was 15 years old at the time, out of the yard. They removed his collar so we would not find him. They had had some problems with my father at the time; and the fence was not something he could have climbed on his own (6ft+ cinderblock with a still-locked gate). This was on a Sunday afternoon.

I called every shelter in the area - the city pound, the county pounds, the private shelters in every county around my father's house. No luck. I did the same thing Monday at lunch. The local SPCA said they had a dog fitting my description and I left work right away and went to see. It was him. I had no problems with getting him back.

/since we're all sharing stories.
 
2010-01-03 07:51:40 PM  
AbbeySomeone: Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.

I have six kids; five at home, and a dog and a cat. If there's a fire, and the dog and cat are lost because I saved the people I gave birth to? Well, I gave them a longer and nicer life than they would have had out in the wild.

Dog has a chip, cat never goes Out of Doors, which apparently looks like hell to her, as she freaks whenever we open the door. Still. I did not give birth to them, they don't speak, and basically ignore me unless they're hungry, need to pee, or need their litter box cleaned. So.
 
2010-01-03 08:02:51 PM  
domari: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.

You are the "some" I mentioned previously.

Pets are property, children are people. If I hit your pet with my car and I am a nice person I stop, apologise, and head home. Hit a kid and try that and you will quickly learn the difference.

A pet is a living, breathing thing. You killed something LIVING. I don't care if I'm one of those people that consider my cats my children. I give them plenty of love and affection. I spend my hard earned money on them, just as a parent would on an actual child.

That is wonderful, but that still does not make them equivalent to a child. I know you think it does and nothing I say will convince you but they really aren't the same.

Do you have any dogs or cats?

They're usually better behaved than most children are.


That may be true, that does not make being a pet owner the same as being a parent.
 
2010-01-03 08:03:18 PM  
gwowen: TFA: The local SPCA has no record of emails or voice messages from the family, Ms. Williams said.So make that "claims that the SPCA did not return phonecalls". Dog's original "owner" (no collar, no licence) is a dick. No sympathy. In Britain, failure collar your dog with owner's information can lead to a pretty stiff fine.

Except we have someone earlier in the thread saying that he volunteered at a shelter that never even read the messages.

squirrelflavoredyogurt: W00t sensationalism. Lets all hate the SPCA cause subby can't be bothered to RTFA.

FTA...

"They held the dog for 72 hours, after which it was taken to a local veterinarian, given its needles, neutered and adopted by another family - all before Christmas."

"By the time Ms. Mccullough made contact with the SPCA in Antigonish on Dec. 29, the dog was in a new home."


The dog was held for 72 hours before it was neutered and adopted which happened BEFORE Christmas. The owners contacted the SPCA on Dec 29. A full 4 days after Christmas.

So 4 days plus 72 hours, plus however long it took to neuter and fill out paperwork is somehow LESS than 72 hours?

Asinine tag is for the subtard.


The owners *SUCCESSFULLY* contacted them on Dec 29. That doesn't mean there weren't unsuccessful attempts before then.
 
2010-01-03 08:06:07 PM  
sparkeyjames: jst3p: Tali: This happened to me with a kitten - I had no way to go get her as I was in the hospital, but I called the SPCA every day. When they found her, they assured me that because I was staying in contact and they KNEW she had a home, she'd be there when I was released.

I got out of the hospital four days later, went to the SPCA before I ever even went home, and they had adopted her out less than an hour after talking to me on the phone and telling me they would hold her until I could drive over from the damn hospital. They "couldn't", by which I mean didn't give a damn and REFUSED to, do anything about it. I wound up going home, on the tail end of a bout of pneumonia, and bawled my eyes out for a week before ending up BACK in the hospital. I believe to this day that the stress and grief of the whole experience had a lot to do with the relapse.

Really? I will never "get" animal people.

Please don't ever breed.


Too late. But what about my not understanding bawling for a week at the loss of a pet makes me an unfit father? I wasn't making fun of her, just stating that I can't imagine feeling that way about a cat.


I am, by all accounts (including the opinion of my ex-wife) a pretty damn good father, although I am constantly working to improve that.


So go go fark yourself and have a nice day.
 
2010-01-03 08:17:12 PM  
jst3p: sparkeyjames: jst3p: Tali: This happened to me with a kitten - I had no way to go get her as I was in the hospital, but I called the SPCA every day. When they found her, they assured me that because I was staying in contact and they KNEW she had a home, she'd be there when I was released.

I got out of the hospital four days later, went to the SPCA before I ever even went home, and they had adopted her out less than an hour after talking to me on the phone and telling me they would hold her until I could drive over from the damn hospital. They "couldn't", by which I mean didn't give a damn and REFUSED to, do anything about it. I wound up going home, on the tail end of a bout of pneumonia, and bawled my eyes out for a week before ending up BACK in the hospital. I believe to this day that the stress and grief of the whole experience had a lot to do with the relapse.

Really? I will never "get" animal people.

Please don't ever breed.

Too late. But what about my not understanding bawling for a week at the loss of a pet makes me an unfit father? I wasn't making fun of her, just stating that I can't imagine feeling that way about a cat.


I am, by all accounts (including the opinion of my ex-wife) a pretty damn good father, although I am constantly working to improve that.


So go go fark yourself and have a nice day.

When my dog died I bawled for two days straight then was depressed on and off for a while. I still cry for my dog every once and a while because I loved my dog. It's simple as that. You love your children, I loved my dog. Just because you don't understand doesn't mean it's less important. What if you lost your child? I don't have kids so I don't really get the bonds parents for with their offspring. I wouldn't make fun of your grief but I also wouldn't get it. I'd personally would probably would want you to get away from me in your grief but that's because I don't do empathy well with others and I'd feel uncomfortable. In the end the loss of a child and dog is pretty much the same: meaningless and inconsequential in the overall picture except for those involved personally with the deceased being.
 
2010-01-03 08:20:03 PM  
lilistonic: AbbeySomeone: Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.

I have six kids; five at home, and a dog and a cat. If there's a fire, and the dog and cat are lost because I saved the people I gave birth to? Well, I gave them a longer and nicer life than they would have had out in the wild.

Dog has a chip, cat never goes Out of Doors, which apparently looks like hell to her, as she freaks whenever we open the door. Still. I did not give birth to them, they don't speak, and basically ignore me unless they're hungry, need to pee, or need their litter box cleaned. So.


Well thats your pets. My cats like to spend as much time with me as possible. And when I leave, they cry and wait for me to come home. Same as a kid would do if you left it with a babysitter. Sure kids are great for some people, but I think cats are way better than child. But then again, I hate kids, but if I had one, I would love my own.
 
2010-01-03 08:24:13 PM  
AbbeySomeone: OurLadyofSorrow: corn-bread: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.


Um....really?

You honestly, and with no trolling, equate human children to dogs and cats?

Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.

You sound so cheerful and optimistic.
Something tells me your handle is appropriate.


Actually I am a cheerful and optimistic person. Handle is a name of a song. Thanks for playing.
 
2010-01-03 08:28:07 PM  
Maggie_Luna: jst3p: sparkeyjames: jst3p: Tali: This happened to me with a kitten - I had no way to go get her as I was in the hospital, but I called the SPCA every day. When they found her, they assured me that because I was staying in contact and they KNEW she had a home, she'd be there when I was released.

I got out of the hospital four days later, went to the SPCA before I ever even went home, and they had adopted her out less than an hour after talking to me on the phone and telling me they would hold her until I could drive over from the damn hospital. They "couldn't", by which I mean didn't give a damn and REFUSED to, do anything about it. I wound up going home, on the tail end of a bout of pneumonia, and bawled my eyes out for a week before ending up BACK in the hospital. I believe to this day that the stress and grief of the whole experience had a lot to do with the relapse.

Really? I will never "get" animal people.

Please don't ever breed.

Too late. But what about my not understanding bawling for a week at the loss of a pet makes me an unfit father? I wasn't making fun of her, just stating that I can't imagine feeling that way about a cat.


I am, by all accounts (including the opinion of my ex-wife) a pretty damn good father, although I am constantly working to improve that.


So go go fark yourself and have a nice day.
When my dog died I bawled for two days straight then was depressed on and off for a while. I still cry for my dog every once and a while because I loved my dog. It's simple as that. You love your children, I loved my dog. Just because you don't understand doesn't mean it's less important. What if you lost your child? I don't have kids so I don't really get the bonds parents for with their offspring. I wouldn't make fun of your grief but I also wouldn't get it. I'd personally would probably would want you to get away from me in your grief but that's because I don't do empathy well with others and I'd feel uncomfortable. In the end the loss of a child and dog is pretty much the same: meaningless and inconsequential in the overall picture except for those involved personally with the deceased being.


Thanks for sharing, this was closer to what I was looking for when I made that comment. I would like to point out that I didn't say the grief was less important, nor did I make fun of anyone.
 
2010-01-03 08:28:23 PM  
jst3p:
That may be true, that does not make being a pet owner the same as being a parent.


Maybe not to you, but to the majority of others who have animals they love and care for in their homes, it does. I know people with dogs and cats who treat them much better than most people treat their kids.
 
2010-01-03 08:31:50 PM  
jst3p: sparkeyjames: jst3p: Tali: This happened to me with a kitten - I had no way to go get her as I was in the hospital, but I called the SPCA every day. When they found her, they assured me that because I was staying in contact and they KNEW she had a home, she'd be there when I was released.

I got out of the hospital four days later, went to the SPCA before I ever even went home, and they had adopted her out less than an hour after talking to me on the phone and telling me they would hold her until I could drive over from the damn hospital. They "couldn't", by which I mean didn't give a damn and REFUSED to, do anything about it. I wound up going home, on the tail end of a bout of pneumonia, and bawled my eyes out for a week before ending up BACK in the hospital. I believe to this day that the stress and grief of the whole experience had a lot to do with the relapse.

Really? I will never "get" animal people.

Please don't ever breed.

Too late. But what about my not understanding bawling for a week at the loss of a pet makes me an unfit father? I wasn't making fun of her, just stating that I can't imagine feeling that way about a cat.


I am, by all accounts (including the opinion of my ex-wife) a pretty damn good father, although I am constantly working to improve that.


So go go fark yourself and have a nice day.


I suppose you'd have to have a heart to understand.
 
2010-01-03 08:40:24 PM  
domari: jst3p:
That may be true, that does not make being a pet owner the same as being a parent.

Maybe not to you, but to the majority of others who have animals they love and care for in their homes, it does. I know people with dogs and cats who treat them much better than most people treat their kids.



This is not subjective, it is a point of fact. Being a pet owner is not the same as being a parent. There are numerous examples in both our legal system and in our societal norms that demonstrate this to be true.
 
2010-01-03 08:50:02 PM  
jst3p: domari: jst3p:
That may be true, that does not make being a pet owner the same as being a parent.

Maybe not to you, but to the majority of others who have animals they love and care for in their homes, it does. I know people with dogs and cats who treat them much better than most people treat their kids.


This is not subjective, it is a point of fact. Being a pet owner is not the same as being a parent. There are numerous examples in both our legal system and in our societal norms that demonstrate this to be true.


The world is fricking messed up.

I do remember having a dog I loved intensely, deeply, my whole family did, and it caused quite a grief period when he died, my estranged parents even argued over who got to tell me. We all remembered him fondly for years.

But he was not a person. I get pet love. I sincerely do. I do not get equating it with person love. That feels like a real human disconnect to me. At the same time, I kind of don't care, other than when people try to tell me that their pets are their kids. No, they are not. Your cat will eat you if you die first. Your dog will just wander around looking for his dinner, and wonder why you're not petting him. The average adult cat has the intellect of a 4 year-old child, but without the communication abilities. With dogs it depends, but some of them don't even make it that far. They're cute and furry, but they are not people.
 
2010-01-03 09:06:56 PM  
squirrelflavoredyogurt: W00t sensationalism. Lets all hate the SPCA cause subby can't be bothered to RTFA.

FTA...

"They held the dog for 72 hours, after which it was taken to a local veterinarian, given its needles, neutered and adopted by another family - all before Christmas."

"By the time Ms. Mccullough made contact with the SPCA in Antigonish on Dec. 29, the dog was in a new home."


The dog was held for 72 hours before it was neutered and adopted which happened BEFORE Christmas. The owners contacted the SPCA on Dec 29. A full 4 days after Christmas.

So 4 days plus 72 hours, plus however long it took to neuter and fill out paperwork is somehow LESS than 72 hours?

Asinine tag is for the subtard.


TFA isn't that clear, but I think the original family claimed they phoned and emailed within the 72 hours. Since this shelter had no physical office and does not allow people to post reports of missing pets on their website, it seems there is no other way to make a claim (unless you go all stalker on the shelter and it's administrators like I would). Since the statute specifies holding the dog for 72 hours, it implies that there is a duty to provide a way to claim said dog within that time. If the family can indeed find phone records showing the call was made and record of the email being sent within the time period, and argument can be made that intent of the statute was satisfied and administration had a duty to allow the claim to be made, so that the subsequent transfer of the dog was illegal and should be reversed. If the family cannot obtain phone and email records showing that they made their claim within the 72 hours, then the shelter seems to be in the right.

I sympathized with the shelter first until people pointed out there is no physical shelter or office to visit and yet the shelter administrator makes $160,000 a year. If you set up a system where people cannot physically go to look for their pets, then for that kind of money you can check the answering machine and email every 24 hours and respond in a timely fashion. If the family didn't actually call and email within the 72 hours, then my sympathy reverts to the shelter.

It is possible both the family and the shelter made mistakes, but that doesn't mean that the shelter could not contact the new family on behalf of the old owners. Neither should just throw up their hands and say "shiat happens". The new owners have not had the animal for so long that it could not be exchanged for another rescue (especial if the old owners pay for the related expenses and offer a reward).

This is a pet. While pets are not children, for many pets are part of the family. I don't understand how someone can form an emotional bond with a pet and still see it as a mere piece of property. Of course, people who don't understand emotional bonds with animals or commitment to a pet make no sense to me either.

/Pets don't hit puberty and start shouting that they hate you.
//Pets won't put you in a nursing home when you are old and lonely
///Get your rotten kids off my lawn
 
2010-01-03 09:24:09 PM  
1derful: I am going to burn my local SPCA to the ground. I adopted a dog they said was spayed, but in fact wasn't. Now I'm trying to figure out to do with the litter of puppies I'm going to have on my hands in a couple of months.

It's called a spay/abort. Get your yellow pages out and ask around. It's perfectly safe and better than bringing an assload of puppies into this world when there's already plenty looking for a home.

I'm glad we have a good SPCA (now, we had to throw out a farktard director and his cronies). Dogs are held in the stray section for a couple weeks for owners to come check, then into pre-adoption for assessment and vaccination for a week or two, then into the adoption kennels where they may remain for months until they are adopted. They rest comfortably there, go on walks with volunteers multiple times per day, and get to play in the backyard. Is not so terrible. Oh and we do check chips.
 
2010-01-03 09:31:44 PM  
lilistonic: Your cat will eat you if you die first. Your dog will just wander around looking for his dinner, and wonder why you're not petting him.

Dogs will eat you too Link (new window). Neither cats or dogs are waiting for you to drop dead so they can taste human flesh. If there is no other food, and it is clear you are dead, they will eat what is there to eat. I think cats and dogs have different, non human types of intelligences that do not equate with human children (but my cats are smarter than most 4 year olds, albeit in ways that do not use much language). I wouldn't care if my dead corpse is consumed by my pets (though I hope someone would find me and feed them before it came to that). It doesn't make my pets less important to me now when I am alive.

If I had the choice to save a human or an animal, I'd pick the human. If I had the chance to spend time with my pets or your kids, I'd choose my pets. Apples and oranges.

/People will eat other people if they get hungry enough
//People are just a type of animal with advanced intelligence and opposable thumbs.
 
2010-01-03 09:44:39 PM  
 
2010-01-03 09:47:19 PM  
Staffist: Friskya: And this is why you actually GO to the responsible authority and LOOK for your pet yourself. If you can't be bothered to do that, what the hell are you doing with a pet, anyway? You had 3 farking days!

And license your dog.

And tag your dog.

And chip your dog.

And control your dog.

And happy 13th birthday to my dog:


My friends in elementary school had a dog that broke out of their 6 foot fenced yard, lost its collar (on which was its license and ID) and the chip didn't scan when they tested it. My friends looked everywhere for the dog- called every shelter, signs all around the neighborhood etc etc. 6 months later they see their dog walking down the street with its new family. Luckily for them the family was kind enough to give the dog back.

I will warn you that sometimes the microchip moves so it cant be found and doesn't show up. I know since I watched them give it to my dog, run the test (which worked) but then when they reran it a couple years later it couldn't be found anywhere. And my dog is a dachshund- there isn't a lot of room for the chip to travel. The point is, dogs can break out and get lost no matter how much you try to ensure they don't, so you can be as cocky as you like but it doesn't make you based in reality.
 
2010-01-03 10:01:46 PM  
It's_A_Farking_Secret: 1derful: I adopted a dog they said was spayed, but in fact wasn't. Now I'm trying to figure out to do with the litter of puppies I'm going to have on my hands in a couple of months.

It's called a spay/abort. Get your yellow pages out and ask around. It's perfectly safe and better than bringing an assload of puppies into this world when there's already plenty looking for a home.


When I took in a stray female cat last summer, she was already knocked up. The local humane society was THRILLED that I was willing to let them spay her and abort the kittens.

If the pups haven't been born yet, please, do the right thing and get them aborted. Yes, it's unpleasant, but there are FAR too many dogs already being put to sleep every day in this country, why add more to the pile?
 
2010-01-03 10:02:55 PM  
OurLadyofSorrow: corn-bread: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.


Um....really?

You honestly, and with no trolling, equate human children to dogs and cats?

Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.


I hate to admit it, but I'd do the same if it was a complete stranger's kid vs my cats.
 
2010-01-03 10:12:40 PM  
lilistonic: AbbeySomeone: Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.

I have six kids; five at home, and a dog and a cat. If there's a fire, and the dog and cat are lost because I saved the people I gave birth to? Well, I gave them a longer and nicer life than they would have had out in the wild.

Dog has a chip, cat never goes Out of Doors, which apparently looks like hell to her, as she freaks whenever we open the door. Still. I did not give birth to them, they don't speak, and basically ignore me unless they're hungry, need to pee, or need their litter box cleaned. So.


Why are you quoting me for this bullshiat rant? I have 2 rescue dogs and a child, no cats.
 
2010-01-03 10:18:40 PM  
MaritimeGirl: OurLadyofSorrow: corn-bread: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.


Um....really?

You honestly, and with no trolling, equate human children to dogs and cats?

Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.

I hate to admit it, but I'd do the same if it was a complete stranger's kid vs my cats.


Toxoplasmosis poisoning. Or perhaps even, a toxoplasmotic hijacking.
 
2010-01-03 10:28:00 PM  
It sounds like you guys need some puppy pictures.

Abby, now almost 3 years old and an incredibly talented bird dog:
sites.google.com

Izzie, now almost 2 years old and the sweetest dog you've ever met:
sites.google.com

They are, of course, much bigger now:
sites.google.com
 
2010-01-03 10:32:41 PM  
I have two cats. Both are rescues.

Cat #1 (Solange) is/seems-to-be a purebred applehead Siamese that is very sweet and loving. Cat #2 (Laila) is/was a neighborhood stray that got hit by a car and went through two fences and up a flight of stairs to get to my back door. She's still a little stand-off-ish, but getting better.

Both have been spayed and chipped (Laila had all her surgeries done at once). Solange has a collar - Laila will have one soon. And I will now make it a farking point to have my vet check the chip positions and make sure they work - EVERY time the cats go for a check-up, checking the chip WILL BE part of the inspection.

To those of you who do the right thing by your animals - YOU are the farking heroes. Not PeTA, not HS - the animal's people are the heroes here.
 
2010-01-03 10:35:13 PM  
Has anyone thought that this will make the local news and the adopting family will give the dog back? I reckon they'd want to be reimbursed adoption fees but I know I'd pay that to get one of my cats back.

I see a followup tag in the near future. Pretty much anyone going to a shelter to adopt a dog is an animal lover and they won't deny the 'owners' their animal.

/indoor cats with cell phone number on tags
 
2010-01-03 11:00:56 PM  
RoyBatty: MaritimeGirl: OurLadyofSorrow: corn-bread: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.


Um....really?

You honestly, and with no trolling, equate human children to dogs and cats?

Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.

I hate to admit it, but I'd do the same if it was a complete stranger's kid vs my cats.

Toxoplasmosis poisoning. Or perhaps even, a toxoplasmotic hijacking.


I also have three mental lists of my coworkers:
A) Coworkers I'd save with CPR/First Aid training.
B) Coworkers I'd let die, despite my CPR/First Aid training because there's no way in hell I'd touch them with a forty foot pole, let alone my lips.
C) Coworkers I'm not sure I'd save because letting him die would mean I wouldn't have to share my cubicle any more...
 
2010-01-03 11:59:58 PM  
MaritimeGirl: RoyBatty: MaritimeGirl: OurLadyofSorrow: corn-bread: OurLadyofSorrow: jst3p: OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children. They run away all the time and get kidnapped. But no one says "You are a bad parent." if that happens.

I know this is hard for some to accept but pets are not children.

Yeah they are, you may not actually birth them, but you give them love, attention, food, take them to the doctor when they get sick. So whats the difference with kids? In fact, some pets have it way better than some kids.


Um....really?

You honestly, and with no trolling, equate human children to dogs and cats?

Oh yeah. I hate kids and love my cats as much as a person with a new born baby. I am happy to see my cats the second I walk in the door, when I hear the bells on their collars (They are indoor cats, just dark colored so its easier in the dark to know they are there.). If I had a choice between saving some 5 year old or my cats in a fire. Sucks to be that kid.

I hate to admit it, but I'd do the same if it was a complete stranger's kid vs my cats.

Toxoplasmosis poisoning. Or perhaps even, a toxoplasmotic hijacking.

I also have three mental lists of my coworkers:
A) Coworkers I'd save with CPR/First Aid training.
B) Coworkers I'd let die, despite my CPR/First Aid training because there's no way in hell I'd touch them with a forty foot pole, let alone my lips.
C) Coworkers I'm not sure I'd save because letting him die would mean I wouldn't have to share my cubicle any more...


I like your way of thinking.
 
2010-01-04 12:00:29 AM  
jst3p: domari: jst3p:
That may be true, that does not make being a pet owner the same as being a parent.

Maybe not to you, but to the majority of others who have animals they love and care for in their homes, it does. I know people with dogs and cats who treat them much better than most people treat their kids.


This is not subjective, it is a point of fact. Being a pet owner is not the same as being a parent. There are numerous examples in both our legal system and in our societal norms that demonstrate this to be true.


The laws are changing about this all over the country. Pets aren't automatically considered "property" everywhere anymore. I've already known couples who have been awarded custody, visitation and support of their animals, the same as if they were human children. Dogs and cats are named in wills all the time.

As far as societal norms are concerned, that's based on opinion just like so many other things. Define "normal"? What one person thinks is abnormal is very normal for someone else.
 
2010-01-04 12:08:46 AM  
domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:
That may be true, that does not make being a pet owner the same as being a parent.

Maybe not to you, but to the majority of others who have animals they love and care for in their homes, it does. I know people with dogs and cats who treat them much better than most people treat their kids.


This is not subjective, it is a point of fact. Being a pet owner is not the same as being a parent. There are numerous examples in both our legal system and in our societal norms that demonstrate this to be true.

The laws are changing about this all over the country. Pets aren't automatically considered "property" everywhere anymore. I've already known couples who have been awarded custody, visitation and support of their animals, the same as if they were human children. Dogs and cats are named in wills all the time.


As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.
 
2010-01-04 12:14:12 AM  
domari: The laws are changing about this all over the country. Pets aren't automatically considered "property" everywhere anymore. I've already known couples who have been awarded custody, visitation and support of their animals, the same as if they were human children. Dogs and cats are named in wills all the time.

You mean like property? It isnt uncommon for someone to be awarded physical possession while the other pays the mortgage or upkeep costs.

This does not make them "the same as if they were human children".
 
2010-01-04 12:21:14 AM  
The people who refer to their pets as their kids always seem weird to me. I kind of get it, I've loved every dog I've ever owned, but I'm able to make the distinction between animal and child (of which I have none). But, to each their own. I just think they're socially inept - like Dungeons and Dragons people or furries.
 
2010-01-04 12:52:03 AM  
ace in your face: Staffist: Friskya: you can be as cocky as you like but it doesn't make you based in reality.

Yes it does. I read it in a book.
 
2010-01-04 01:09:05 AM  
jst3p: domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:


As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.


I am not sure leaving the scene of an accident is a good idea. You may not be charged with "manslaughter", but if you hit something or an animal, most state's may want you to stop, assess the damage, leave notes for the owner so you or your insurance can pay, and make sure it is safe to proceed.
 
2010-01-04 01:15:32 AM  
Aunt Crabby: jst3p: domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:


As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.

I am not sure leaving the scene of an accident is a good idea. You may not be charged with "manslaughter", but if you hit something or an animal, most state's may want you to stop, assess the damage, leave notes for the owner so you or your insurance can pay, and make sure it is safe to proceed.



While I understand what you are saying, if I hit and kill your dog there is no "leave a note for the owner so you or your insurance can pay." As I understand it, if I hit your dog it is your fault that it was in the street.

I have hit a dog once. It was a medium sided dog, it tried to cross the rural road in front of me and then changed its mind and ran back. I hit it in the head and in my rear view I saw it spining like a top. I was going about 50 at the time (the speed limit) so I turned around and went back to get it out of the road. The owner was there and the dog was still alive but not at all well. The dog died within minutes and the guy looked like he wanted to hurt me but in the end it wasn't my "fault".

I felt horrible, and it isn't that I lack compassion I just know the legal value of a dog vs a person.
 
2010-01-04 01:15:35 AM  
jst3p: domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:
That may be true, that does not make being a pet owner the same as being a parent.

Maybe not to you, but to the majority of others who have animals they love and care for in their homes, it does. I know people with dogs and cats who treat them much better than most people treat their kids.


This is not subjective, it is a point of fact. Being a pet owner is not the same as being a parent. There are numerous examples in both our legal system and in our societal norms that demonstrate this to be true.

The laws are changing about this all over the country. Pets aren't automatically considered "property" everywhere anymore. I've already known couples who have been awarded custody, visitation and support of their animals, the same as if they were human children. Dogs and cats are named in wills all the time.

As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.


Want to bet???

Maybe where you live you don't have to stop, but here in NY you do. There is a law that states you must stop if you hit a domestic animal and try to locate the owner or notify the police. Not allowed to hit something and keep going. If you hit an animal on purpose, then you can be arrested for abuse.
 
2010-01-04 01:25:59 AM  
domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:
That may be true, that does not make being a pet owner the same as being a parent.

Maybe not to you, but to the majority of others who have animals they love and care for in their homes, it does. I know people with dogs and cats who treat them much better than most people treat their kids.


This is not subjective, it is a point of fact. Being a pet owner is not the same as being a parent. There are numerous examples in both our legal system and in our societal norms that demonstrate this to be true.

The laws are changing about this all over the country. Pets aren't automatically considered "property" everywhere anymore. I've already known couples who have been awarded custody, visitation and support of their animals, the same as if they were human children. Dogs and cats are named in wills all the time.

As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.

Want to bet???

Maybe where you live you don't have to stop, but here in NY you do. There is a law that states you must stop if you hit a domestic animal and try to locate the owner or notify the police. Not allowed to hit something and keep going. If you hit an animal on purpose, then you can be arrested for abuse.


Even if I concede that point it does not make animals "like people". They are, and will remain, property.
 
2010-01-04 01:32:05 AM  
Aunt Crabby: jst3p: domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:


As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.

I am not sure leaving the scene of an accident is a good idea. You may not be charged with "manslaughter", but if you hit something or an animal, most state's may want you to stop, assess the damage, leave notes for the owner so you or your insurance can pay, and make sure it is safe to proceed.


This is part of the NY motor vehicle law which pertains to hitting animals (other than wildlife of course).

§ 601. "Leaving scene of injury to certain animals without reporting.
Any person operating a motor vehicle which shall strike and injure any horse, dog, cat or animal classified as cattle shall stop and endeavor to locate the owner or custodian of such animal or a police, peace or judicial officer of the vicinity, and take any other reasonable and appropriate action so that the animal may have necessary attention, and shall also promptly report the matter to such owner, custodian or
officer (or if no one of such has been located, then to a police officer of some other nearby community), exhibiting his or her license and insurance identification card for such vehicle..."
 
2010-01-04 01:44:48 AM  
jst3p: Aunt Crabby: jst3p: domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:


As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.

I am not sure leaving the scene of an accident is a good idea. You may not be charged with "manslaughter", but if you hit something or an animal, most state's may want you to stop, assess the damage, leave notes for the owner so you or your insurance can pay, and make sure it is safe to proceed.


While I understand what you are saying, if I hit and kill your dog there is no "leave a note for the owner so you or your insurance can pay." As I understand it, if I hit your dog it is your fault that it was in the street.

I have hit a dog once. It was a medium sided dog, it tried to cross the rural road in front of me and then changed its mind and ran back. I hit it in the head and in my rear view I saw it spining like a top. I was going about 50 at the time (the speed limit) so I turned around and went back to get it out of the road. The owner was there and the dog was still alive but not at all well. The dog died within minutes and the guy looked like he wanted to hurt me but in the end it wasn't my "fault".

I felt horrible, and it isn't that I lack compassion I just know the legal value of a dog vs a person.


That's exactly why laws are being challenged and changed. How do you put a dollar amount on a dog? What's it worth to someone like you if you consider it property? Do you think a purebred dog is worth more than a mutt obtained for free from a Walmart parking lot?

Are cats totally worthless to you, or just worth less than dogs are?

Just curious to hear what you consider a dog or cat to be worth to you.

On the other hand, what's the value of a person? Does it depend on their profession or bank account? What's the value of a homeless bum?

(I know someone who hit and killed a homeless guy and his "worth" was a big controversy during the trial.)
 
2010-01-04 01:47:44 AM  
jst3p:

Even if I concede that point it does not make animals "like people". They are, and will remain, property.


The laws can and will be changed. Lots of groups are working on it.
 
2010-01-04 01:50:15 AM  
jst3p: Aunt Crabby: jst3p: domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:


As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.

I am not sure leaving the scene of an accident is a good idea. You may not be charged with "manslaughter", but if you hit something or an animal, most state's may want you to stop, assess the damage, leave notes for the owner so you or your insurance can pay, and make sure it is safe to proceed.


While I understand what you are saying, if I hit and kill your dog there is no "leave a note for the owner so you or your insurance can pay." As I understand it, if I hit your dog it is your fault that it was in the street.

I have hit a dog once. It was a medium sided dog, it tried to cross the rural road in front of me and then changed its mind and ran back. I hit it in the head and in my rear view I saw it spining like a top. I was going about 50 at the time (the speed limit) so I turned around and went back to get it out of the road. The owner was there and the dog was still alive but not at all well. The dog died within minutes and the guy looked like he wanted to hurt me but in the end it wasn't my "fault".

I felt horrible, and it isn't that I lack compassion I just know the legal value of a dog vs a person.


I understand your main point, but you may want to check your local laws. The duty to drive safely for conditions exists just as much as the duty to control a pet. Hitting a dog may be considered an "accident" that needs to be reported even if no people are hurt. I agree it is stretching it a bit to demand that you leave a note on the dead animal, but some state statutes require that you leave a note if you damage property with your car and the owner is not present.

I would think that in most states you at least have a legal duty to stop, assess the damage, and make sure it is safe to drive. You may also be liable for the accident (or partially liable) even if there was a leash law. You still have to drive safely for conditions and keep your eyes on the road. If you hit cows or sheep crossing a country road, don't you think you would owe the farmer for the damage?

I admit that legally the damages for accidentally hurting or killing an animal are far less than for hitting a person. Unless of course that person is homeless. Then you probably pay less than if you hit a cow.Link (new window)

/cultural values vary
//sometimes the law is an ass
 
2010-01-04 02:00:01 AM  
domari: jst3p: Aunt Crabby: jst3p: domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:


As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.

I am not sure leaving the scene of an accident is a good idea. You may not be charged with "manslaughter", but if you hit something or an animal, most state's may want you to stop, assess the damage, leave notes for the owner so you or your insurance can pay, and make sure it is safe to proceed.


While I understand what you are saying, if I hit and kill your dog there is no "leave a note for the owner so you or your insurance can pay." As I understand it, if I hit your dog it is your fault that it was in the street.

I have hit a dog once. It was a medium sided dog, it tried to cross the rural road in front of me and then changed its mind and ran back. I hit it in the head and in my rear view I saw it spining like a top. I was going about 50 at the time (the speed limit) so I turned around and went back to get it out of the road. The owner was there and the dog was still alive but not at all well. The dog died within minutes and the guy looked like he wanted to hurt me but in the end it wasn't my "fault".

I felt horrible, and it isn't that I lack compassion I just know the legal value of a dog vs a person.

That's exactly why laws are being challenged and changed. How do you put a dollar amount on a dog? What's it worth to someone like you if you consider it property? Do you think a purebred dog is worth more than a mutt obtained for free from a Walmart parking lot?


Civil law is pretty clear on this. It is worth the replacement cost of the pet, just like any other piece of property. Take me to court and sue for the "sentimental value" of your dog and you will be treated the same as if you wanted "sentimental value" for the trombone I ran over.

Are cats totally worthless to you, or just worth less than dogs are?

Just curious to hear what you consider a dog or cat to be worth to you.


They aren't worthless, I never said they were. They just don't compare in dollar value with people. They may to the owner, the law makes a clear distinction to the contrary.


On the other hand, what's the value of a person? Does it depend on their profession or bank account? What's the value of a homeless bum?


There is a great deal of case law in wrongful death suits for you to figure this out, and it does vary based on many variables.

(I know someone who hit and killed a homeless guy and his "worth" was a big controversy during the trial.)

Disagreeing with this does not make personal property (pets) more valuable.
 
2010-01-04 02:02:40 AM  
Aunt Crabby: jst3p: Aunt Crabby: jst3p: domari: jst3p: domari: jst3p:


As I said before, if I hit your dog on the way home from work I don't even have to stop. That wont change.

I am not sure leaving the scene of an accident is a good idea. You may not be charged with "manslaughter", but if you hit something or an animal, most state's may want you to stop, assess the damage, leave notes for the owner so you or your insurance can pay, and make sure it is safe to proceed.


While I understand what you are saying, if I hit and kill your dog there is no "leave a note for the owner so you or your insurance can pay." As I understand it, if I hit your dog it is your fault that it was in the street.

I have hit a dog once. It was a medium sided dog, it tried to cross the rural road in front of me and then changed its mind and ran back. I hit it in the head and in my rear view I saw it spining like a top. I was going about 50 at the time (the speed limit) so I turned around and went back to get it out of the road. The owner was there and the dog was still alive but not at all well. The dog died within minutes and the guy looked like he wanted to hurt me but in the end it wasn't my "fault".

I felt horrible, and it isn't that I lack compassion I just know the legal value of a dog vs a person.

I understand your main point, but you may want to check your local laws. The duty to drive safely for conditions exists just as much as the duty to control a pet. Hitting a dog may be considered an "accident" that needs to be reported even if no people are hurt. I agree it is stretching it a bit to demand that you leave a note on the dead animal, but some state statutes require that you leave a note if you damage property with your car and the owner is not present.

I would think that in most states you at least have a legal duty to stop, assess the damage, and make sure it is safe to drive. You may also be liable for the accident (or partially liable) even if there was a leash law. You still have to drive safely for conditions and keep your eyes on the road. If you hit cows or sheep crossing a country road, don't you think you would owe the farmer for the damage?

I admit that legally the damages for accidentally hurting or killing an animal are far less than for hitting a person. Unless of course that person is homeless. Then you probably pay less than if you hit a cow.Link (new window)

/cultural values vary
//sometimes the law is an ass


Wow, that girl must have had a good lawyer.

The guy I know who hit and killed a homeless guy is in jail. His lawyer said since it was just a homeless bum the sentence shouldn't be as harsh.

I guess the homeless people in Cali are worth more than in FL. I wonder if their animals are.
 
2010-01-04 02:11:32 AM  
Aunt Crabby: I would think that in most states you at least have a legal duty to stop, assess the damage, and make sure it is safe to drive. You may also be liable for the accident (or partially liable) even if there was a leash law. You still have to drive safely for conditions and keep your eyes on the road. If you hit cows or sheep crossing a country road, don't you think you would owe the farmer for the damage?

It has been two decades since I took drivers training but I do remember them saying that if a small animal crosses the road you needed to hold your course. The line of thought was braking or swerving would be more dangerous. I have a hard time believing that you would also owe for damages.
 
2010-01-04 02:14:50 AM  
As more cases like these show up in courts, the more laws will be changed.

Pets have "special subjective value" to their owners that courts should consider in deciding custody of the animal, a state appeals court ruled today.
Link (new window)

"We're still working toward having the courts recognizing the true value of companion animals. They're members of the family, not mere property," Sarah Scheele, 58, said from her home in Annapolis, Md., on Wednesday before flying north for the court hearing.

Link (new window)
 
2010-01-04 03:18:00 AM  
jst3p: Aunt Crabby: I would think that in most states you at least have a legal duty to stop, assess the damage, and make sure it is safe to drive. You may also be liable for the accident (or partially liable) even if there was a leash law. You still have to drive safely for conditions and keep your eyes on the road. If you hit cows or sheep crossing a country road, don't you think you would owe the farmer for the damage?

It has been two decades since I took drivers training but I do remember them saying that if a small animal crosses the road you needed to hold your course. The line of thought was braking or swerving would be more dangerous. I have a hard time believing that you would also owe for damages.


Only if there are cars right behind you or in the way if you swerve. Also if you are going too fast for conditions or not watching the road it is still at least partially your fault. It depends. There is no bright line rule.
 
2010-01-04 07:49:50 AM  
OurLadyofSorrow: You don't tag children.

Maybe we should.
 
2010-01-04 09:14:59 AM  
KiwDaWabbit: I saw a notice of a lost cat the other day.

in my glove box, there are several chinese restaurant menus with the word "FOUND!" pre-written along the top. THIS is why I also carry a stapler in my car.
 
2010-01-04 09:21:37 AM  
Staffist: Friskya: And this is why you actually GO to the responsible authority and LOOK for your pet yourself. If you can't be bothered to do that, what the hell are you doing with a pet, anyway? You had 3 farking days!

And license your dog.

And tag your dog.

And chip your dog.

And control your dog.

And happy 13th birthday to my dog:


Came to say pretty much all of this.

/Leaves satisfied
//MY FIRST SLASHIES!!!!
///Oh, god, what have I become? :(
 
2010-01-04 04:17:55 PM  
Molavian: Bodine Wilson: I actually have a nice cat someone else chipped. The database I checked listed the shelter he came from, but the shelter no longer had the address of the cats previous person.

Owner.


Dogs have owners. Cats have staff.
 
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