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2010-01-01 11:36:58 AM  
Or the cachet, for that matter.
 
2010-01-01 11:41:53 AM  
jpmeyer: Or the cachet, for that matter.

Oh, come on. Cachet is just a fancy form of cache, and you turn anything fancy by adding an accent. Therefore, caché becomes a shorthand version of cachet, without you having to type the extra "t". Of course, for super formal ocassions, you could write "cachét," and that just sets an almost unattainable standard.

It's like "who" and "whom." Who will get you by in every instance, but sometimes you're in a fancy setting and want to use more formal lanuguage, so you use whom.

Everything doesn't have to be about being a grammar nazi, you know.
 
2010-01-01 11:49:25 AM  
Pocket Ninja: jpmeyer: Or the cachet, for that matter.

Oh, come on. Cachet is just a fancy form of cache, and you turn anything fancy by adding an accent. Therefore, caché becomes a shorthand version of cachet, without you having to type the extra "t". Of course, for super formal ocassions, you could write "cachét," and that just sets an almost unattainable standard.

It's like "who" and "whom." Who will get you by in every instance, but sometimes you're in a fancy setting and want to use more formal lanuguage, so you use whom.

Everything doesn't have to be about being a grammar nazi, you know.


Indubitably.

/adjust monocle
 
2010-01-01 12:09:11 PM  
Are grammar nazis nerds too?

and I though cache was where my computer kept data.
 
2010-01-01 12:09:19 PM  
I guess beating up honor students isn't as much fun either?

/got nuthin'
 
2010-01-01 12:10:25 PM  
Best say I've heard about honor;

Get honor, stay honor
 
2010-01-01 12:11:12 PM  
er... saying.

/damn grammar nazis
 
2010-01-01 12:11:42 PM  
At the only American system high school I traipsed through, practically everyone got on the honour roll and about a third of the class was on the highest honour roll(3.80+). Bunch of overachieving Asian kids, nyah.
 
2010-01-01 12:11:53 PM  
Nerds!!!

www.city-data.com
 
2010-01-01 12:12:00 PM  
I was in the NHS and I have no idea why. I didn't submit an application or anything. What's that about?
 
2010-01-01 12:12:18 PM  
What with grade inflation, a straight A student is really a C student from 1950.
 
2010-01-01 12:12:43 PM  
Maybe my high school was strange but some of the most popular people were among the smartest and in honors and AP classes. We didn't really have the cliques where one group hated another or whatever either, so maybe our school was weird...
 
2010-01-01 12:13:44 PM  
caché = french for 'hidden', non?
 
2010-01-01 12:13:48 PM  
customcarepackage.com
 
2010-01-01 12:14:49 PM  
lollygaggers!: Best say I've heard about honor;

Get honor, stay honor


Most students in honor societies are girls, so if a boy manages to get into one or several, he'll be swimming in poon. Since the girls already know he's smart (otherwise he wouldn't be there), that's already one thing they have in common.
 
2010-01-01 12:15:42 PM  
oukewldave: Maybe my high school was strange but some of the most popular people were among the smartest and in honors and AP classes. We didn't really have the cliques where one group hated another or whatever either, so maybe our school was weird...

Well when you ride the short bus that's generally the type of school you go to.

www.brainshavings.com
 
2010-01-01 12:16:21 PM  
Nerd cash paid for lunch and smokes.


/What the f*ck are you looking at?!
 
2010-01-01 12:21:14 PM  
borrowing $300 from his parents when math came up short. He wrote about the experience for his Yale application.

Yeah, that must have been a hard farking experience right there. I'm sure the admissions department green-lighted that young lad on the spot for his role in preserving the math honor society.
 
2010-01-01 12:21:55 PM  
Pocket Ninja: jpmeyer: Or the cachet, for that matter.

Oh, come on. Cachet is just a fancy form of cache, and you turn anything fancy by adding an accent. Therefore, caché becomes a shorthand version of cachet, without you having to type the extra "t". Of course, for super formal ocassions, you could write "cachét," and that just sets an almost unattainable standard.

It's like "who" and "whom." Who will get you by in every instance, but sometimes you're in a fancy setting and want to use more formal lanuguage, so you use whom.

Everything doesn't have to be about being a grammar nazi, you know.


Um. I have no idea if you are trying to get grammar nazi bites but "who" and "whom" are not interchangeable. Who refers to the is the subject of a sentence and whom to the object. You essentially said the same thing as 'me' will get you by in every instance but 'I' is good for formal situations.
 
2010-01-01 12:23:02 PM  
They are all honor students in high school...then they get to college and sit in my class and are shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, to discover that their study habits from high school won't get them an A.

/above generalization not true of all students
//but it is true of a lot of them
 
2010-01-01 12:24:03 PM  
Pocket Ninja: jpmeyer: Or the cachet, for that matter.

Oh, come on. Cachet is just a fancy form of cache, and you turn anything fancy by adding an accent. Therefore, caché becomes a shorthand version of cachet, without you having to type the extra "t". Of course, for super formal ocassions, you could write "cachét," and that just sets an almost unattainable standard.

It's like "who" and "whom." Who will get you by in every instance, but sometimes you're in a fancy setting and want to use more formal lanuguage, so you use whom.

Everything doesn't have to be about being a grammar nazi, you know.


But is a weapons cache
www.safesideassociation.org

the same thing as a nerd cache?
assets.cio.com
 
2010-01-01 12:25:47 PM  
NHS is just a group for the rich kids.
 
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2010-01-01 12:28:28 PM  
"I think the world is run by 'C' students."

- Al McGuire
 
2010-01-01 12:28:46 PM  
kinshane: I was in the NHS and I have no idea why. I didn't submit an application or anything. What's that about?

I had the same thing happen to me in '96: one day the invitation to the induction showed up at my door. Lord knows what would of happened if I actually gave a crap during high school.
 
2010-01-01 12:29:07 PM  
Maybe because the standards for marking has been set at a lower more attainable level so as not to make those who didn't make the grade, not feel so left out.

This is why they have participation awards for soccer now. Even you can be the best average player.
 
2010-01-01 12:29:17 PM  
HMS_Blinkin:

Anti-nerdite
 
2010-01-01 12:29:19 PM  
treecologist: They are all honor students in high school...then they get to college and sit in my class and are shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, to discover that their study habits from high school won't get them an A.

/above generalization not true of all students
//but it is true of a lot of them


In my high school there were two types of honor students: average intelligence hard workers, and lazy smart kids. In college there were a lot of smart hard workers.
 
2010-01-01 12:29:30 PM  
I was a nerdy has been but now I am on Fark.com
/How in the hell did they put me in Honors Algebra
\Fark math
 
2010-01-01 12:30:26 PM  
treecologist: They are all honor students in high school...then they get to college and sit in my class and are shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, to discover that their study habits from high school won't get them an A.

And the corollary, where they complain about their poor grades after spending *so much money* going to the school.

/liked teaching except having to deal with that crap.
 
2010-01-01 12:33:45 PM  
DarthBrooks: treecologist: They are all honor students in high school...then they get to college and sit in my class and are shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, to discover that their study habits from high school won't get them an A.


True, I remember first year university where the prof ran through my entire HS year of economics in 2 weeks.
 
2010-01-01 12:35:46 PM  
Pocket Ninja: Everything doesn't have to be about being a grammar nazi, you know.

Yes it does.
 
2010-01-01 12:42:00 PM  
oukewldave: Maybe my high school was strange but some of the most popular people were among the smartest and in honors and AP classes. We didn't really have the cliques where one group hated another or whatever either, so maybe our school was weird...

I remember reading an article a few years ago that touched on this while the author was discussing the classification system he had developed while in high school.

According to him, there were five separate groups of students:

1. Popular kids (top athletes, all advanced classes, generally liked by everyone)
2. Assholes (friends with popular kids, stereotypical bullies)
3. General population
4. Nerds (all advanced classes, generally derided/ignored)
5. Retards (self-explanatory)

There is still a lot of wiggle room for various cliques, but this was the basic breakdown when I was in school; simply taking advanced classes didn't relegate you to social pariah status.
 
2010-01-01 12:43:03 PM  
lollygaggers!: DarthBrooks: treecologist: They are all honor students in high school...then they get to college and sit in my class and are shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, to discover that their study habits from high school won't get them an A.


True, I remember first year university where the prof ran through my entire HS year of economics in 2 weeks.


Yep, it's faster and more is expected with less hand-holding. Maybe half a dozen times over the past few years I have had a student come up to me after the first class and say, "I was looking over the syllabus and I learned all this in high school, so I don't think this class will be too hard for me". That's pretty much a guarantee that they won't score better than a C on the first test.
 
2010-01-01 12:43:13 PM  
oukewldave: Maybe my high school was strange but some of the most popular people were among the smartest and in honors and AP classes. We didn't really have the cliques where one group hated another or whatever either, so maybe our school was weird...

No, all high schools are like that. It's just that teen movies are written by former homeschooled kids.
 
2010-01-01 12:43:36 PM  
lollygaggers!: DarthBrooks: treecologist: They are all honor students in high school...then they get to college and sit in my class and are shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, to discover that their study habits from high school won't get them an A.


True, I remember first year university where the prof ran through my entire HS year of economics in 2 weeks.


That's one of the things I hated most about high school, stretching a small amount of information over and entire year just so the slowest students might have a chance at getting it. I think I spent more time napping, reading, doodling, and listening to my Walkman in high school than doing school work. It was painfully boring.
 
2010-01-01 12:43:57 PM  
Perhaps this is the reason that the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology only gave an academic letter for a 3.7 GPA and did not have all these honor societies. Competition was crazy enough as it was; adding in a bunch of societies with varying standards would have only made things worse, especially with some students commutes totaling more than 3 hours per day on top of a 7.5 hour school day and extracurriculars.
 
2010-01-01 12:49:00 PM  
My highschool has 3 National Honors Society. NHS, NAHS (Art), and NSHS (Science).

They're.. Silly. Complete time wasters, seeing as colleges don't give a fark anymore.

And about 50% of my class has a 4.0 or above. LIke, our graduating class is 400, I have a 3.5, and I'm placed around 150. And that's weighted. Our top 10, are basically all tied with 4.5, and are separated by like... 1/10000th of a point.

The saddest thing, is that I've only taken honors and AP classes since my freshman year, and I have a lower GPA than people who have taken all regular classes. Like, right now, I'm in 3 AP courses. AP American History (AP Hell), AP Calculus AB, and AP Studio Art (Complete joke, GPA booster.. I got 100% for our first quarter) I'm also taking multiple honors courses, and a few blow of classes, which, I basically have 100s in. (Sociology.. my ghetto gym class... Psychology) My worst grade so far, was a 78% in my Honors Trig class.

Somehow my GPA is still lower than my white trash and druggie classmates. It's been puzzling me for awhile.
 
2010-01-01 12:51:40 PM  
oukewldave: Maybe my high school was strange but some of the most popular people were among the smartest and in honors and AP classes. We didn't really have the cliques where one group hated another or whatever either, so maybe our school was weird...

Mine was the same way, except for the 'smartest' part. They were just in honors. Standards fell, hard. I met smarter people in the electives with normal kids than in some of my honors/ap classes. At least GT students were actually gifted... then they created that gem/jem/whatever program for 'not quite gt' shiatheads. My ass, honors classes now are BIG, CROWDED, and DUMB. My GOD I hated it. No, there were not cavemen in the Anglo-Saxon period. No, refrigeration is not a cultural universal. Yes, I just explained that to you three times after the teacher said it twice, why don't you get this? It's simple algebra, I'm horrible at math but how am I getting this and you're not? (All of these examples are from one real person, an honors student.)

But yeah, never had the clique thing either. And the cheerleaders were uncoordinated and sometimes fat. ... Our school just sucked. There were no preps, only ghetto-fabulous people, druggies and nerds. Anyone else kind of just filtered into the nearest category.
 
2010-01-01 12:53:22 PM  
When you have seven or more valedictorians, the whole honor student think kind of loses it's value.
 
2010-01-01 12:54:16 PM  
What is this high school of which you speak?
 
2010-01-01 12:54:49 PM  
Sorvity: AP American History (AP Hell)

Quit whining. AP US History isn't that bad.

TANGENT:

Halfway through our AP History exam, when we had finished the multiple choice portion of the test, we had a short break. As a way to ease some of their stress, two of my classmates decided to get into a hitting contest, punching each other in the arm. during this little bout, one classmate went to instinctively block a punch and ended up with bone-to-bone contact, breaking his wrist.

The two then had to go up to our history teacher and explain to him that one student wouldn't be able to do the essay portion of the exam because of an accident during a hitting contest. The look of sheer "WTF? Are you two f*cking retarded?" on the teacher's face was priceless.
 
2010-01-01 12:55:17 PM  
No dammit. "Cachet," meaning "prestige" is spelled "cachet" and pronounced "ca-shey." "Cache" meaning "hiding place" is pronounced "cash," NOT "ca-shey." "Caché" meaning "hidden" in French is not an English word by any stretch of the imagination.

This is not a question of grammar nazism. This is a question of being able to speak your native tongue, even when the vocabulary is borrowed from another language, and use it correctly in the proper context with the proper spelling and the proper pronunciation. If you're not sure of the meaning or pronunciation of a word, fer cryin' out loud, look it up. If you are certain of a word's pronunciation or spelling and then find out you're wrong, accept your thirty lashes with a wet noodle with the proper humility, and never make that mistake again.

Otherwise, the terrorists have won.
 
2010-01-01 12:55:45 PM  
oukewldave: Maybe my high school was strange but some of the most popular people were among the smartest and in honors and AP classes. We didn't really have the cliques where one group hated another or whatever either, so maybe our school was weird...

fag
 
2010-01-01 12:57:57 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2010-01-01 01:04:44 PM  
But.. but.. I'm special! Waaaaaaaaaaa!
 
2010-01-01 01:07:04 PM  
Being a nerd in college can still get you laid; especially if you are a professor.
 
2010-01-01 01:07:33 PM  
FunkOut: That's one of the things I hated most about high school, stretching a small amount of information over and entire year just so the slowest students might have a chance at getting it. I think I spent more time napping, reading, doodling, and listening to my Walkman in high school than doing school work. It was painfully boring.

Oh dear god, tell me about. This was my school experience as well. I was an honors student but seriously considering dropping out because school was that painfully stupid.
 
2010-01-01 01:14:03 PM  
industrialinterface.com

I had to look up cachét, which means I'm one of the stupid people. I did take 2 years of French in highschool, and a year of German. But alas, I loved the kind bud more than the books.

/Enjoy your badge of distinction, nerds.
 
2010-01-01 01:17:24 PM  
lollygaggers!: DarthBrooks: treecologist: They are all honor students in high school...then they get to college and sit in my class and are shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, to discover that their study habits from high school won't get them an A.


True, I remember first year university where the prof ran through my entire HS year of economics in 2 weeks.


I think I was the only honors-level student in my school who didn't get into the NHS (for lack of caring that I should do volunteer work; I also spent a lot of time working to pay for the car that would cart me to and from college, so there was that).

I also protested it because my teachers were too oblivious to realize that some of their 'honors' students were also prolific cheaters. So, yeah, all these titles and societies and shiat? Bunk.

/I was Daria back in HS.
//Probably still am, a little.
 
2010-01-01 01:21:20 PM  
All this discussion of AP courses is taking me back to my my high school days... yea, all those aeons ago...

I ended up taking AP English, AP French, AP American History, AP European History and AP Geometry in high school. The first day of AP European History, the teacher came in and announced "You know, last year at this time I was a practicing lawyer. I know nothing about European history, so we'll all learn together." She'd assign a chapter to read, then wouldn't read it herself. In fact, I was the only one doing the reading, so she'd ask a question, I'd answer and everyone, including her, would take notes. My answers were usually correct, in spirit, but the dates might have been a little off. The following year she was being constantly corrected by the students in her class and she realized just how thoroughly I'd screwed her over. She would glare at me when we passed in the hallways.

I walked into AP French the first day of school and immediately fell asleep. I skipped the next day. The third day I came in, the teacher asked me where I'd been the previous day, I told her I'd skipped and she told me to stay after school. Instead I went down to the guidance councilor and dropped the class. My mom taught at the other high school in town so she arranged for me to take the test there. I got college credit for a class I never took.

AP Geometry was the only class I ever cheated in. I was in totally above my head. Fortunately, the teacher was either a total air head or, more likely, just didn't care. He never complained when I didn't hand in homework or quizzes. I had a friend do all the required theorems for me. At the end of the year we took a six hour statewide honors math exam. It was one of those tests where you get five points for a correct answer, zero points for not answering, and minus one for a wrong answer. I sat there for six hours going through the test. There were exactly three questions I thought I could answer. I got them all wrong and got what I assume was the lowest grade in the State of Connecticut. That was the last math course I ever took.

Then I went to art school. All my AP classes meant nothing (if I'd gone to a liberal arts college, I could have entered as a sophomore), although I did get a full scholarship (woo hoo! $1700 a semester!). After two years I realized what a terrible mistake I'd made so I looked into transferring to the main campus, which offered a BA in art as opposed to the BFA I was going for. I found that I could indeed graduate in just one year if I transferred. I would simply have to take nothing but math and science classes--so I toughed it out for another two years (Tyler School of Art, BFA 1978 in case you're interested).

Interestingly, I never got into the AP science classes, which might have been fun. My friend and I took all the same dummy chemistry and biology classes together. We would finish up the experiments in the first five minutes of class, write up the lab sheet, and then spend the rest of our time... experimenting... One of the experiments involved putting a small amount of limestone in a beaker, pouring hot water over it, lighting a wooden stick, blowing it out and putting it over the beaker, resulting in a loud pop as the hydrogen gas being released ignited. After we did that I said "Let's see what happens if we put a lot of limestone in and just a little bit of hot water." Fortunately two science teachers converged on me from opposite sides of the classroom screaming "STOP!" before I put the merrily burning stick into the white gas roiling over the sides of the beaker--or I'd still be pulling bits of glass out of my face today.
 
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