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2009-12-30 10:46:06 AM
This is a perfectly valid lawsuit.

When the state incarcerates a person, the state has a duty to provide for their safety and well-being.

The state violated its own regulations enacted to assure prisoner safety, and this man was subsequently beaten to the point of permanent disability.

The state dropped the ball, big-time. Now, they're going to pay.
 
2009-12-30 10:59:00 AM
SchlingFocker: The state dropped the ball, big-time. Now, they're going to pay.

IANAL, but my father became a Corrections Officer after he retired from NYPD. And what you state is absolutely true of almost every jail--those accused of sex offenses are kept under protective custody and NOT housed w/general population. The stories of inmates hating rapists & child molesters are NOT exaggerated.
 
2009-12-30 11:07:57 AM
Charges were dropped, subby. So no, he is not a sex offender.
 
2009-12-30 11:08:51 AM
SchlingFocker: When the state incarcerates a person, the state has a duty to provide for their safety and well-being.

Yep.

It used to be pretty egregious too - back in the civil rights area, sheriffs would arrest black people and then leave them handcuffed in the path of lynch mobs. Led to a Supreme Court case over the state's duty to protect people from third parties.
 
2009-12-30 11:15:41 AM
I have a friend who worked as a Medic at a famous Federal Prison. He said most of the time they would keep everyone apart, to keep the piece and the level of paperwork down. But if someone got mouthy and under your skin them might "accidentally" put the child molester and the crazy skin head in the shower at the same time.
 
2009-12-30 11:16:22 AM
One day a mother
Went to a prison
To see an erring
But precious son
She told the warden
How much she loved him
It did not matter
What he had done

She did not bring to him
Parole or pardon
She brought no silver
No pomp nor style
It was a halo
Sent down from heaven
The sweetest gift
A mother's smile
 
2009-12-30 11:34:49 AM
It seems he is paying the price
For screwing up order with vice.
The beating he's taken
Has sure left him shaken,
But prison's not meant to be nice.
 
2009-12-30 11:50:19 AM
Let's be clear, this was a jail, not a prison. Huge difference. This guy hadn't been sentenced to anything. Any person here could be accused of a sex offense and run into a judge that denies them bail for any number of reasons.
 
2009-12-30 12:40:04 PM
downstairs: Charges were dropped, subby. So no, he is not a sex offender.

this


Mother sues jail for putting her precious snowflake son near violent people who don't like alleged sex offenders
 
2009-12-30 12:45:18 PM
MaxxLarge: It seems he is paying the price
For screwing up order with vice.
The beating he's taken
Has sure left him shaken,
But prison's not meant to be nice.


Do you have a collection of your limmericks somewhere?

/really liked the one when I asked how you come up with them and it ended with something like "[most wonder] not so much how as why"
 
2009-12-30 12:53:22 PM
Personally, I find it kind of scary that essentially any person at random could be accused of the myriad of offenses we consider "sex crimes", without any proof, and end up in a similar situation.
 
2009-12-30 01:43:30 PM
Cagey B: Personally, I find it kind of scary that essentially any person at random could be accused of the myriad of offenses we consider "sex crimes", without any proof, and end up in a similar situation.

Not to be snarky but are you new?

/i know your not just surprised that you would be surprised seeing as how there is a similar article at least once a day just on Fark.
 
2009-12-30 01:44:09 PM
Nicholas Tanner was arrested in August 2008 on a sexual assault allegation and ordered held in custody at the provincial facility while awaiting trial

alleged
 
2009-12-30 01:44:28 PM
vernonFL: One day a mother
Went to a prison
To see an erring
But precious son
She told the warden
How much she loved him
It did not matter
What he had done

She did not bring to him
Parole or pardon
She brought no silver
No pomp nor style
It was a halo
Sent down from heaven
The sweetest gift
A mother's smile


No! The sweetest gift would be a metal file, or some salsa with a source of DC current.
 
2009-12-30 01:47:25 PM
Cagey B: Personally, I find it kind of scary that essentially any person at random could be accused of the myriad of offenses we consider "sex crimes", without any proof, and end up in a similar situation.

I wonder how many people are placed in those situations with out any legitimate cause? I would guess that theres a good reason most of the time that someone is suspected.
 
2009-12-30 01:47:55 PM
Talon: MaxxLarge: It seems he is paying the price
For screwing up order with vice.
The beating he's taken
Has sure left him shaken,
But prison's not meant to be nice.

Do you have a collection of your limmericks somewhere?

/really liked the one when I asked how you come up with them and it ended with something like "[most wonder] not so much how as why"


I've been working on this one for a while, what do you think?

There once was a man from Cleveland
Who never washed his vitz
He said with a grin, as he kicked the neighbors cat
I guess I'll just stick my dick in my ear
 
2009-12-30 01:48:42 PM
wow i'm a fark independent and i think this is pretty damn bad. accused criminal beaten to the point of permanent brain damage? damn. should be a big payout. this is akin to state murder of a (presumed) innocent person.
 
2009-12-30 01:49:05 PM
1nsanilicious: Cagey B: Personally, I find it kind of scary that essentially any person at random could be accused of the myriad of offenses we consider "sex crimes", without any proof, and end up in a similar situation.

I wonder how many people are placed in those situations with out any legitimate cause? I would guess that theres a good reason most of the time that someone is suspected.


Direct current current? Do you pay for that with money from an ATM machine?
 
2009-12-30 01:50:02 PM
Methinks subby needs to re-examine his or her moral values. "Innocent man brain damaged by thugs while in police custody" is what it was.

I hope the mother rips 'em a new one.

Was this some kind of troll headline?
 
2009-12-30 01:50:42 PM
1nsanilicious: Cagey B: Personally, I find it kind of scary that essentially any person at random could be accused of the myriad of offenses we consider "sex crimes", without any proof, and end up in a similar situation.

I wonder how many people are placed in those situations with out any legitimate cause? I would guess that theres a good reason most of the time that someone is suspected.


Police and prosecutors abusing their powers for any number of reasons? No? Never?
 
2009-12-30 01:50:48 PM
SchlingFocker: This is a perfectly valid lawsuit.

When the state incarcerates a person, the state has a duty to provide for their safety and well-being.

The state violated its own regulations enacted to assure prisoner safety, and this man was subsequently beaten to the point of permanent disability.

The state dropped the ball, big-time. Now, they're going to pay.


That should be, but if every prisoner who got raped or shivved in prison or jail sued, they could not print enough money to pay them off. Things like that happen so much as to be unremarkable--except that his mother filed suit.
 
2009-12-30 01:51:07 PM
Trying my best whoopty impression:


He probably raped someone else so he got what he deserved.
 
2009-12-30 01:51:51 PM
In our system of justice, it is not the government, but only the people, who may punish criminals. Punishments are decided by Juries, not judges or corrections officers or the police. This is a fundamental building block of our civilization.

Wait, this was in Canada? Carry on...
 
2009-12-30 01:52:01 PM
Sorry tardmitter, there is a slight difference between being near people and getting beaten to the point of permanent brain damage. Clearly the prison was negligent.
 
2009-12-30 01:52:07 PM
He was accused, not convicted. Had he been a convict, his sentence would have been incarceration, not a beating. The state should pay.
 
2009-12-30 01:52:29 PM
Ok, was this dude taking a whiz in public or diddling little boys/girls? Either way, he doesn't deserve permanent vegetative status. For the whiz, maybe a good biatchslap would suffice. For the diddling, probably closer to what he got, but only after conviction. I want to know that he wasn't first the victim of somebody making accusations to get back at him for dumping her.
 
2009-12-30 01:52:53 PM
Hmm. No details on the "victim's" offence other than it was sexually related.

Too bad the job wasn't finished.
 
2009-12-30 01:53:58 PM
Cagey B: Personally, I find it kind of scary that essentially any person at random could be accused of the myriad of offenses we consider "sex crimes" any crimes, without any proof, and end up in a similar situation.

There are people who have been convicted who are not guilty of any number of crimes, so why single out sex crimes? Oh right, because this is fark, and everybody accused of a sex crime was just a 16 year old boning his 15 year old girlfriend, or taking a pee behind a building.
 
2009-12-30 01:54:41 PM
Well, she's right.
 
2009-12-30 01:55:41 PM
Came in here to snark, but I'm afraid the jail dropped the ball on this one. This guy not only had his life ruined, he's never even going to be aware of it.
 
2009-12-30 01:55:45 PM
ciocia: Cagey B: Personally, I find it kind of scary that essentially any person at random could be accused of the myriad of offenses we consider "sex crimes" any crimes, without any proof, and end up in a similar situation.

There are people who have been convicted who are not guilty of any number of crimes, so why single out sex crimes? Oh right, because this is fark, and everybody accused of a sex crime was just a 16 year old boning his 15 year old girlfriend, or taking a pee behind a building.


Don't forget the girl that was drunk and changed her mind the next morning.
 
2009-12-30 01:56:57 PM
SchlingFocker: This is a perfectly valid lawsuit.

When the state incarcerates a person, the state has a duty to provide for their safety and well-being.

The state violated its own regulations enacted to assure prisoner safety, and this man was subsequently beaten to the point of permanent disability.

The state dropped the ball, big-time. Now, they're going to pay.


i am not great at geography and things such as, but this was not in a state, but in canada

\aren't they called Providences?
 
2009-12-30 01:56:59 PM
tweekster: ciocia: Cagey B: Personally, I find it kind of scary that essentially any person at random could be accused of the myriad of offenses we consider "sex crimes" any crimes, without any proof, and end up in a similar situation.

There are people who have been convicted who are not guilty of any number of crimes, so why single out sex crimes? Oh right, because this is fark, and everybody accused of a sex crime was just a 16 year old boning his 15 year old girlfriend, or taking a pee behind a building.

Don't forget the girl that was drunk and changed her mind the next morning.


Or the making coffee naked infront of the window
 
2009-12-30 01:57:28 PM
I have to agree with the mother on this one. The State failed to perform its custodial function with due care.
 
2009-12-30 01:57:35 PM
The accusations against the guy have nothing to do with the validity of the lawsuit. His guilt or innocence don't, either. I hope she wins.
 
2009-12-30 01:57:38 PM
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2009-12-30 01:58:03 PM
hitlersbrain: Was this some kind of troll headline?

Lets see....
site is run on banner ads
banner ads are click through and impression based

so errr yea (good business model overall, FOX and Murdoch love it, as do MSNBC and .... well everyone likes it)

// subby should rot for the precious snowflake comment anyway
/ childless ? dont have a snowflake ? sucks to be you (cuz they freaking ROCK, after the first coffee)
 
2009-12-30 01:59:17 PM
1nsanilicious: Cagey B: Personally, I find it kind of scary that essentially any person at random could be accused of the myriad of offenses we consider "sex crimes", without any proof, and end up in a similar situation.

I wonder how many people are placed in those situations with out any legitimate cause? I would guess that theres a good reason most of the time that someone is suspected.


In some cases, yes. The whole "you are known by the company you keep" thing can come and bite you in the ass. Receiving stolen property and drug possession charges would land in this category.

OTOH, with some crimes, sexual especially, all it takes is for someone with a screw loose (or a grudge, or bad information) to point the finger at you... and you might just end up where this guy did.
 
2009-12-30 01:59:30 PM
Look to the bigger picture here.

He wasn't a sex offender, he was presumed to be innocent but going to court, just in-case he might have been guilty.

So since he wasn't a sex offender, because he was presumably innocent they treated him no differently than the 'proven guilty' guilty folks around him.

Since the charges have been dropped, they actually had an innocent man in jail, beaten nearly to death by inmates.

"Dropping the ball here" isn't the half of it.

You can't say he was guilty, but at the same time, he was certainly exposed to the judgement of his peers.

We really need to either figure-out a different system here, or propenly embrace the concepts we've started with and try to make them work.
 
2009-12-30 02:00:47 PM
Kate Gosselin's Pap Smear: i am not great at geography and things such as, but this was not in a state, but in canada

You're also not great at vocabulary. The term "state" refers to "a body politic." A provincial (or even local) government can legitimately and properly be referred to as "the state."
 
2009-12-30 02:00:56 PM
Cagey B: Personally, I find it kind of scary that essentially any person at random could be accused of the myriad of offenses we consider "sex crimes", without any proof, and end up in a similar situation.

I'll bet you do.

Guy got what was coming to him.
 
2009-12-30 02:01:51 PM
On a completely different sidenote, -17C in Manitoba!!?? That is some serious cold.
 
2009-12-30 02:02:04 PM
Not An Alt: Cagey B: Personally, I find it kind of scary that essentially any person at random could be accused of the myriad of offenses we consider "sex crimes", without any proof, and end up in a similar situation.

I'll bet you do.

Guy got what was coming to him.


0/10. It's already been used in this thread. Must try harder.
 
2009-12-30 02:02:10 PM
1nsanilicious: tweekster: ciocia: Cagey B: Personally, I find it kind of scary that essentially any person at random could be accused of the myriad of offenses we consider "sex crimes" any crimes, without any proof, and end up in a similar situation.

There are people who have been convicted who are not guilty of any number of crimes, so why single out sex crimes? Oh right, because this is fark, and everybody accused of a sex crime was just a 16 year old boning his 15 year old girlfriend, or taking a pee behind a building.

Don't forget the girl that was drunk and changed her mind the next morning.

Or the making coffee naked infront of the window


what happened to that dude?
 
2009-12-30 02:02:25 PM
Said it before, say it again: if we're going to embrace beatings and rapings in prison as part of the punishment, it certainly shouldn't be handed out in a vigilante manner by other prisoners. Little teenaged boy who banged a 15-year-old girl should not end up the prison-biatch of a huge biker who killed 5 people.

If you want violent punishment, have the balls to legislate it. Sentence a man to 10 years and bi-weekly sessions with the prison Steely Dan, and crack down on the violence.
 
2009-12-30 02:02:33 PM
cryinoutloud: Came in here to snark, but I'm afraid the jail dropped the ball on this one. This guy not only had his life ruined, he's never even going to be aware of it.

OH give me a break, the accuser probably dropped the charges after the story got out about him getting beat. No need to send him to prison now, he just got some REAL justice.
 
2009-12-30 02:03:52 PM
Dead-Guy:
Since the charges have been dropped, they actually had an innocent man in jail, beaten nearly to death by inmates...


I had a hard time parsing that article, because it was written in Canadian, but I got the idea the charges were dropped because the guy had somehow become a vegetable, not because the police said, "oops, we got the wrong pervert."
 
2009-12-30 02:04:21 PM
Not An Alt: OH give me a break, the accuser probably dropped the charges after the story got out about him getting beat. No need to send him to prison now, he just got some REAL justice.

You aren't even trying anymore.
 
2009-12-30 02:05:22 PM
What's she biatching about? That's one less Sex Offender out there to terrize and rape our chillen.

And if he wasn't a Sex Offender, he wouldn't have been arrested and charged.

Good going, Canada. You're keeping your streets safe.

/Real MericanTM
 
2009-12-30 02:05:32 PM
This: Not An Alt: OH give me a break, the accuser probably dropped the charges after the story got out about him getting beat. No need to send him to prison now, he just got some REAL justice.

You aren't even trying anymore.


When did he ever try?
 
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