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(ABC)   Woman goes into cardiac arrest during labor and dies on the table. Doctors perform emergency C-section only to find that her baby was non-responsive. Then things got all miracle-ly and they both came back from the dead   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 398
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2009-12-30 04:20:53 AM  
Yeah, it's a real miracle when a team of highly trained docs, surgeons, and nurses do what they're trained to do. Praise the Lord!

/Sorry, pet peeve
 
2009-12-30 04:22:44 AM  
Why do you hate God?
 
2009-12-30 04:35:28 AM  
SJKebab: Yeah, it's a real miracle when a team of highly trained docs, surgeons, and nurses do what they're trained to do.

Exactly.

The mom couldn't have come back because of the delivery of the baby and the baby wasn't resuscitated by a team of medical personnel; it was the hand of GOD. FFS.

Let's give credit where credit is due here.
 
2009-12-30 05:19:19 AM  
It would be a miracle if the two were revived by the son of Jewish carpenter, Subby. This was just strange happenstance.
 
2009-12-30 05:32:00 AM  
jekxrb: Let's give credit where credit is due here.

In before some idiot claims gob works in mysterious ways.
 
2009-12-30 05:41:08 AM  
Yes, it's a miracle. Not, you know, hard work and rapid response by a team of highly trained medical personnel...
 
2009-12-30 05:41:44 AM  
Damnit...read comments THEN post...just ignore my previous post and replace it mentally with "This".
 
2009-12-30 05:42:25 AM  
7of7: In before some idiot claims gob works in mysterious ways.

Oh you just wait. I'm pretty sure we'll hear that god was working THROUGH the medical staff. It wasn't actually them so much as god sent them to help her.

What I'd like to know is why he was so busy saving that mother and child and letting thousands die in Africa.

/I know, I know. Mysterious ways.
 
2009-12-30 05:50:05 AM  
jekxrb: It wasn't actually them so much as god sent them to help her.

I bet those emergency room surgeons are PISSED that god isn't helping them with their student loans then.
 
2009-12-30 06:08:13 AM  
SJKebab: Yeah, it's a real miracle when a team of highly trained docs, surgeons, and nurses do what they're trained to do. Praise the Lord!

Abstruse: Yes, it's a miracle. Not,

loosen your sphincters folks. TFA doesn't mention God, baby Jeebus' intervention, or anything else 'religious'. it just uses the word miracle.


Main Entry: mir·a·cle
Pronunciation: \ˈmir-i-kəl\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin miraculum, from Latin, a wonder, marvel, from mirari to wonder at
Date: 12th century

1 : an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs
2 : an extremely outstanding or unusual event, thing, or accomplishment
3 Christian Science : a divinely natural phenomenon experienced humanly as the fulfillment of spiritual law

Even the doctors don't know how both survived. And their comments make #2 above appropriate in this case.

FTFA:
According to KKTV, doctors still do not know what caused Tracey's cardiac arrest or what brought her back from the brink.

also FTFA:
Dr. Martin told Colorado's The Gazette it's rare for a woman to suffer cardiac arrest during pregnancy and far rarer for both mother and baby to survive.
 
2009-12-30 06:10:45 AM  
cmunic8r99: TFA doesn't mention God, baby Jeebus' intervention, or anything else 'religious'. it just uses the word miracle.

FTA's headline is "A Christmas Miracle". Subby's headline was "things got all miracle-ly" And please don't cut my quotes to make me sound like a farking valley girl.
 
2009-12-30 06:21:47 AM  
Abstruse:

sorry. how's this:

Yes, it's a miracle. Not, you know, hard work and rapid response by a team of highly trained medical personnel...

FTFA: According to KKTV, doctors still do not know what caused Tracey's cardiac arrest or what brought her back from the brink.

also, since when is Christmas a religious holiday?
 
2009-12-30 06:22:54 AM  
note to self: double-check bold tag placement.
 
2009-12-30 06:30:45 AM  
That's a great story and all, but them calling this a "miracle" made me shiat my pants in fury. This is the worst Christmas ever.
 
2009-12-30 07:12:33 AM  
morrach: That's a great story and all, but them calling this a "miracle" made me shiat my pants in fury. This is the worst Christmas ever.

See what you've done cmunic8r99, you've ruined Christmas!
 
2009-12-30 07:23:32 AM  
Coltyn Mikel Hermanstorfer

Your name of the week.
 
2009-12-30 07:26:37 AM  
cmunic8r99: loosen your sphincters folks. TFA doesn't mention God, baby Jeebus' intervention, or anything else 'religious'. it just uses the word miracle.

I think if you read the comments on the article, you'll see where peoples' minds directly head when they hear 'miracle', no matter its various definitions. There is little indication whether the father was using it in the more casual sense or in the 'interference by a supernatural power' sense.

What I find irritating is that no matter what the doctors say about the rarity of the event or not knowing what caused the cardiac arrest of the mother, it's a little much to credit the recovery of the mother and child to a 'miracle' rather than to the medical team, which is what the father chose to do. He didn't take the opportunity to thank anyone who worked on his wife and child; he said, "There's only one explanation for having either one of them, let along both of them here. It's just an absolute miracle." That's simply not true. The best explanation is that he had an exceptional staff of doctors and nurses who knew what they were doing. To not even thank them for his child's life, when they resuscitated it, but to attribute it only to a 'miracle' is offensive.

Next time, have your farking child in a manger all by yourselves and see if anyone miraculously lives.
 
2009-12-30 07:29:00 AM  
Tracy did not "inexplicably" go into cardiac arrest. Cardiac arrest during childbirth is perfectly farking explicable. Hence Epinephrine being in every modern birthing room in the farking world.

jekxrb: Let's give credit where credit is due here.

According to the (uncritical, slanted, weakly investigated) video, the doctors ceased work on the mother to perform the c-section, and no mention of working on the infant is made.

Undoubtedly without the team of doctors there, someone would have died, most likely the infant, but there isn't enough information here to make a "Hurr durr doctors" comment, imo.
 
2009-12-30 07:32:09 AM  
ninjakirby: According to the (uncritical, slanted, weakly investigated) video, the doctors ceased work on the mother to perform the c-section, and no mention of working on the infant is made.

FTFA: "other doctors worked to get the baby breathing again and eventually it came back as well."
 
2009-12-30 07:38:28 AM  
jekxrb: ninjakirby: According to the (uncritical, slanted, weakly investigated) video, the doctors ceased work on the mother to perform the c-section, and no mention of working on the infant is made.

FTFA: "other doctors worked to get the baby breathing again and eventually it came back as well."



Well apparently I go word blind at 5am. I recant.
 
2009-12-30 07:41:56 AM  
Wasn't this a Live song?
 
2009-12-30 07:45:22 AM  
7of7: jekxrb: Let's give credit where credit is due here.

In before some idiot claims gob works in mysterious ways.




It isn't mysterious ways...or tricks. It's an illusion Michael.
 
2009-12-30 07:46:23 AM  
Someone call for a Miracle?

www.bscreview.com

/hot
 
2009-12-30 07:47:58 AM  
If god was just going to save them, why did he send the woman into cardiac arrest in the first place?
 
2009-12-30 07:48:08 AM  
jekxrb: SJKebab: Yeah, it's a real miracle when a team of highly trained docs, surgeons, and nurses do what they're trained to do.

Exactly.

The mom couldn't have come back because of the delivery of the baby and the baby wasn't resuscitated by a team of medical personnel; it was the hand of GOD. FFS.

Let's give credit where credit is due here.


Look, I'm not a god freak, but the article makes it seem like her heartbeat came back after the med tech team gave up.

After trying to revive Tracey for several minutes to no avail, doctors ordered an emergency C-section with no anesthesia in an attempt to save the baby. The baby was delivered, but it too was not breathing.

But then Mike and the doctors were astounded when Tracey's pulse returned, just after birth.


So, IF WE ARE TO BELIEVE THE ARTICLE (big "if"), the results are pretty miraculous.
 
2009-12-30 07:49:54 AM  
It's a good thing this happened now. If it happened post-ObamaCare, the doctors would have been rationed off to something else the moment things looked bad, and mom and baby would have stayed dead.
 
2009-12-30 07:50:03 AM  
There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.

-Miracle Max
 
2009-12-30 07:51:14 AM  
Did nobody read the article? They had stopped resuscitating the wife and were just trying to get the baby out when her heart started beating again. Sure sounds like a miracle to me.
 
2009-12-30 07:51:26 AM  
jekxrb : He didn't take the opportunity to thank anyone who worked on his wife and child

Reminds me of the national geographic special where they followed some eye doctors into north korea.

The eye doctors removed cataracts and other intrusions from peoples eyes, making their vision clear again.

And the people thanked Kim Jong for their surgeries, and not the doctors that did the work, or the relief workers that brought the doctors.
 
2009-12-30 07:52:34 AM  
My G-d ... it's full of assholes.
 
2009-12-30 07:53:14 AM  
SJKebab
Yeah, it's a real miracle when a team of highly trained docs, surgeons, and nurses do what they're trained to do. Praise the Lord!

It's a Festivus miracle!

farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2009-12-30 07:53:17 AM  
LordPomposity: It's a good thing this happened now. If it happened post-ObamaCare, the doctors would have been rationed off to something else the moment things looked bad, and mom and baby would have stayed dead.

Yes, because doctors like to let people die when it doesn't cost them anymore money to try to save them. You know, like they're required to do by law and stuff.

/This is a RELIGIOUS argument thread, not a POLITICAL argument one. Go away.
 
2009-12-30 07:54:37 AM  
JoeCamelToe: There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.

-Miracle Max


Go through his pockets for loose change?
 
2009-12-30 07:54:50 AM  
Let the zombie apocalypse begin!

October 10, 2010!!!
 
2009-12-30 07:55:48 AM  
jekxrb: cmunic8r99: loosen your sphincters folks. TFA doesn't mention God, baby Jeebus' intervention, or anything else 'religious'. it just uses the word miracle.

I think if you read the comments on the article, you'll see where peoples' minds directly head when they hear 'miracle', no matter its various definitions. There is little indication whether the father was using it in the more casual sense or in the 'interference by a supernatural power' sense.

What I find irritating is that no matter what the doctors say about the rarity of the event or not knowing what caused the cardiac arrest of the mother, it's a little much to credit the recovery of the mother and child to a 'miracle' rather than to the medical team, which is what the father chose to do. He didn't take the opportunity to thank anyone who worked on his wife and child; he said, "There's only one explanation for having either one of them, let along both of them here. It's just an absolute miracle." That's simply not true. The best explanation is that he had an exceptional staff of doctors and nurses who knew what they were doing. To not even thank them for his child's life, when they resuscitated it, but to attribute it only to a 'miracle' is offensive.

Next time, have your farking child in a manger all by yourselves and see if anyone miraculously lives.


You're not reading the article, you're inferring that it was the actions of the medical staff. IF THE ARTICLE IS TO BE BELIEVED, the mother came back to life after doctors gave up..."After trying to revive Tracey for several minutes to no avail...Mike and the doctors were astounded when Tracey's pulse returned"
 
2009-12-30 07:56:28 AM  
perhaps we should consider a major incision to revive someone after cpr fails. Seems like the shock of the slice might have pulled her back.

/or a miracle. I believe in miracles, we're surrounded by them...
 
hej
2009-12-30 07:57:12 AM  
They were both just sleeping.
 
2009-12-30 07:58:38 AM  
Abstruse: LordPomposity: It's a good thing this happened now. If it happened post-ObamaCare, the doctors would have been rationed off to something else the moment things looked bad, and mom and baby would have stayed dead.

Yes, because doctors like to let people die when it doesn't cost them anymore money to try to save them. You know, like they're required to do by law and stuff.


You fail at reading comprehension. The doctors wouldn't WANT to let the patients die, the new law would MAKE them give up and work on someone else with a supposedly higher chance of surviving. That's how rationing works; just ask anyone from the UK or Canada.

/This is a RELIGIOUS argument thread, not a POLITICAL argument one. Go away.

Nice try at deflection.
 
2009-12-30 07:59:51 AM  
It's such a shame that Pope Al Michaels completely ruined the 1980 US Olympic Hockey team's triumph over the Soviets by asking if you believe in miracles.
 
2009-12-30 08:00:17 AM  
dletter: Coltyn Mikel Hermanstorfer

Your name of the week.


I dunno, I was reading the credits of The Saboteur last night, and I saw the name Florian Schitter.
 
2009-12-30 08:00:44 AM  
There you have it. It's a miracle. Any measure of resuscitation by the staff were only the tools employed by All Mighty God/Allah/Yahweh/Buddha/Zeus/etc. Pick a religion/faith because it's clearly right.
 
2009-12-30 08:01:45 AM  
Abstruse: Like .... You know, like ...

But you really do sound like a valley girl.
 
2009-12-30 08:04:44 AM  
Yes Fark, let's use this great thing to troll people who believe in God.
 
2009-12-30 08:06:42 AM  
Abstruse 2009-12-30 07:53:17 AM
LordPomposity: It's a good thing this happened now. If it happened post-ObamaCare, the doctors would have been rationed off to something else the moment things looked bad, and mom and baby would have stayed dead.

Yes, because doctors like to let people die when it doesn't cost them anymore money to try to save them. You know, like they're required to do by law and stuff.

/This is a RELIGIOUS argument thread, not a POLITICAL argument one. Go away.

ditto
 
2009-12-30 08:07:06 AM  
Abstruse:
Yes, because doctors like to let people die when it doesn't cost them anymore money to try to save them. You know, like they're required to do by law and stuff.

/This is a RELIGIOUS argument thread, not a POLITICAL argument one. Go away.


How is this a religious argument thread? An argument takes two sides in back-and-forth. Call it what it is: this is a Christian and/or religious hate venting thread.
 
2009-12-30 08:09:25 AM  
cmunic8r99:
Pronunciation: \ˈmir-i-kəl\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin miraculum, from Latin, a wonder, marvel, from mirari to wonder at
Date: 12th century

1 : an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs
2 : an extremely outstanding or unusual event, thing, or accomplishment
3 Christian Science : a divinely natural phenomenon experienced humanly as the fulfillment of spiritual law


So, both mother and child dying simultaneously would be considered a miracle as well?

I really think we should come to a consensus on a unique name defining these equally highly unlikely events that precede "miracles".

I submit the word "Godfarked" for peer consideration.
 
2009-12-30 08:11:37 AM  
Gah, did any of you retards actually read the article?
 
2009-12-30 08:12:24 AM  
It's all miracle-y and stuff till they want to eat your brains.

/which is not unreasonable
 
2009-12-30 08:13:26 AM  
I RTFA, and must have got a little dust in my eyes or something. Then I come in the the thread. OMG, WTF?!? The hate is strong with Farkers. While it doesn't say it in the article, I'm sure the father was more than thankful to the doctors. In fact how much you want to bet he hugged and slobbered on every one that he could get a hold of.
 
2009-12-30 08:13:53 AM  
Jesus, I disbelieve in God as much as the next guy, but can we go a day without gutting half the English language because some words might carry religious connotations as one of their multiple meanings?
 
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