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2009-12-29 11:55:18 AM
That's good. I thought they have been getting a little tazer happy as of the past couple of years.

/You belch, sneeze or fart and that's a tazin.
 
2009-12-29 12:03:20 PM
That's good. But, any cop that over uses them will only get a week's paid vacation while they "investigate". So not much will really change.
 
2009-12-29 12:24:14 PM
EvilEgg: That's good. But, any cop that over uses them will only get a week's paid vacation while they "investigate". So not much will really change.

this. i thought that the official protocol regarding use of force was already in place. you know, to have a *reason* to taze, club, or shoot you as opposed to before?
 
2009-12-29 12:40:01 PM
Though stun guns may offer a valuable, nonlethal alternative to deadly force

I'm pretty sure that there's some dead people that would love to have a word with the author. They're less lethal, yes, but nonlethal is a misnomer.
 
2009-12-29 12:41:30 PM
Now, I'm not an engineer or anything, but I think it should be possible to create a special Taser Channeling Suit. Some sort of wearable electrical conductor that, when it's struck with the electrical current from the prongs, would channel those currents along special wires up your arms and to your fingertips so that you could shoot it back out in a little zappy lightning bolt. Maybe one lightning bolt from each hand. That would be even more cool. And maybe you could control the power of the charge, so one good tasing might power the suit enough for three or four zaps. There's probably a few engineering hurdles to overcome before I could start marketing the thing, but I think it would be a cool invention. No stealing my idea.
 
2009-12-29 12:47:30 PM
EvilEgg: That's good. But, any cop that over uses them will only get a week's paid vacation while they "investigate". So not much will really change.

i'm not so sure. FTA:

Upholding a judge's refusal to dismiss Bryan's civil suit, the appeals court said a jury should decide whether the officer had used too much force to subdue someone who was not threatening him.

If the dude wins his civil suit, that cop shop is gonna end up paying out a LOT of money to the victim. sure, the rank and file sadists might not care, but their bosses certainly notice when they've gotta pay out tons of money on civil suits.
 
2009-12-29 12:48:06 PM
Pocket Ninja: Now, I'm not an engineer or anything, but I think it should be possible to create a special Taser Channeling Suit. Some sort of wearable electrical conductor that, when it's struck with the electrical current from the prongs, would channel those currents along special wires up your arms and to your fingertips so that you could shoot it back out in a little zappy lightning bolt. Maybe one lightning bolt from each hand. That would be even more cool. And maybe you could control the power of the charge, so one good tasing might power the suit enough for three or four zaps. There's probably a few engineering hurdles to overcome before I could start marketing the thing, but I think it would be a cool invention. No stealing my idea.

maybe sew a capacitor into your shorts?
 
2009-12-29 12:57:22 PM
If I set policy they would only be used as a substitute for lethal force.
 
2009-12-29 12:59:46 PM
Wait. I mean substitute for a firearm, with similar rules to a working dog off leash.
 
2009-12-29 02:35:10 PM
"Well, it's like this, your Honor: he was coming right at us!"

"Oh, that's all right then. Case dismissed."
 
2009-12-29 02:39:28 PM
Nuts. Stupid judges take all the fun out of being a cop.
 
2009-12-29 02:46:40 PM
CruiserTwelve: Nuts. Stupid judges take all the fun out of being a cop.

Fortunately, we have armor-piercing bullets so being a criminal is still fun.
 
2009-12-29 02:46:53 PM
Similar thought: Has anyone else thought that sending a dog after someone is assault? I mean, the thing rips and gnaws on you. Presuming innocence until proven guilty... and if you are not threatening just maybe running away... isn't that assault?

If a cop did the same to you, you could sue... and so how is sending a dog after you different than say, beating you with a baton?
 
2009-12-29 02:58:34 PM
What immediately proceeds a grievous blow:

i48.tinypic.com
 
2009-12-29 03:31:05 PM
pxlboy: EvilEgg: That's good. But, any cop that over uses them will only get a week's paid vacation while they "investigate". So not much will really change.

this. i thought that the official protocol regarding use of force was already in place. you know, to have a *reason* to taze, club, or shoot you as opposed to before?


Yeah, what's the deal? up until today they didn't need a reason?
 
2009-12-29 03:31:51 PM
Pocket Ninja: Now, I'm not an engineer or anything, but I think it should be possible to create a special Taser Channeling Suit. Some sort of wearable electrical conductor that, when it's struck with the electrical current from the prongs, would channel those currents along special wires up your arms and to your fingertips so that you could shoot it back out in a little zappy lightning bolt. Maybe one lightning bolt from each hand. That would be even more cool. And maybe you could control the power of the charge, so one good tasing might power the suit enough for three or four zaps. There's probably a few engineering hurdles to overcome before I could start marketing the thing, but I think it would be a cool invention. No stealing my idea.

I want one.
 
2009-12-29 03:31:52 PM
Pocket Ninja: Now, I'm not an engineer or anything, but I think it should be possible to create a special Taser Channeling Suit.

Master Yoda not impressed:

a1.vox.com

/Forcelinked
 
2009-12-29 03:33:03 PM
That liberal hellhole, the Ninth Circuit, strikes again! Depriving cops of their right to force you to conform.
 
2009-12-29 03:33:23 PM
Subby: In a grievous blow to public safety, court rules that cops can't Tase you unless they have, you know, a reason to do so, bro

FTFY
 
2009-12-29 03:35:34 PM
Weaver95: Pocket Ninja: Now, I'm not an engineer or anything, but I think it should be possible to create a special Taser Channeling Suit. Some sort of wearable electrical conductor that, when it's struck with the electrical current from the prongs, would channel those currents along special wires up your arms and to your fingertips so that you could shoot it back out in a little zappy lightning bolt. Maybe one lightning bolt from each hand. That would be even more cool. And maybe you could control the power of the charge, so one good tasing might power the suit enough for three or four zaps. There's probably a few engineering hurdles to overcome before I could start marketing the thing, but I think it would be a cool invention. No stealing my idea.

maybe sew a capacitor into your shorts?


If I had to do it, I'd put it in a tuxedo jacket.

Then, you go do something worthy of getting your ass tased in a tuxedo, then later on the cop has to explain to his buddies that a guy dressed in full formal attire shot lightning out of his hands at him.
 
2009-12-29 03:36:07 PM
Why do people villify the effect and not the cause?

Stop hiring douchebag cops, or at least punish them severely for douchebag actions!
 
2009-12-29 03:36:48 PM
If someone dies from being Tasered, and the court rules that the officer did not have just cause to use the weapon, the cop should be charged with second degree murder.
 
2009-12-29 03:37:17 PM
t3.gstatic.com

RIP grievous
 
2009-12-29 03:38:58 PM
Velveeta_Poindexter: If someone dies from being Tasered, and the court rules that the officer did not have just cause to use the weapon, the cop should be charged with second degree murder.

The critical part of the testimony will be when the dead guy proves... oh wait.
 
2009-12-29 03:39:33 PM
Pocket Ninja: Now, I'm not an engineer or anything, but I think it should be possible to create a special Taser Channeling Suit. Some sort of wearable electrical conductor that, when it's struck with the electrical current from the prongs, would channel those currents along special wires up your arms and to your fingertips so that you could shoot it back out in a little zappy lightning bolt. Maybe one lightning bolt from each hand. That would be even more cool. And maybe you could control the power of the charge, so one good tasing might power the suit enough for three or four zaps. There's probably a few engineering hurdles to overcome before I could start marketing the thing, but I think it would be a cool invention. No stealing my idea.

jokestore.notiecorp.com
 
2009-12-29 03:40:03 PM
Like this ruling is going to change a damn thing.
 
2009-12-29 03:40:56 PM
Whatever happened to a billy club to the shins?
 
2009-12-29 03:41:44 PM
Pocket Ninja: Now, I'm not an engineer or anything, but I think it should be possible to create a special Taser Channeling Suit. Some sort of wearable electrical conductor that, when it's struck with the electrical current from the prongs, would channel those currents along special wires up your arms and to your fingertips so that you could shoot it back out in a little zappy lightning bolt. Maybe one lightning bolt from each hand. That would be even more cool. And maybe you could control the power of the charge, so one good tasing might power the suit enough for three or four zaps. There's probably a few engineering hurdles to overcome before I could start marketing the thing, but I think it would be a cool invention. No stealing my idea.

Taser-Proof Gear (new window)

Looks like they didn't go with the lightning-bolt hands thingy, so your idea is safe.
 
2009-12-29 03:43:28 PM
I remember a taser-proof shirt being sold online not too long ago.

Wouldn't thick clothing negate the effect too by not allowing the dart to touch the skin?
 
2009-12-29 03:43:55 PM
imprimere: Why do people villify the effect and not the cause?

Stop hiring douchebag cops, or at least punish them severely for douchebag actions!


Because police unions make firing a police officer all but impossible except for the most extreme circumstances, and the blue wall rarely allows anyone to prosecute police officers for a crime that would fall under the "extreme circumstances". Politicians don't want to pick the fight because they worry too much about being seen as soft on crime if they go after the police.
 
2009-12-29 03:44:37 PM
benlonghair: Though stun guns may offer a valuable, nonlethal alternative to deadly force

I'm pretty sure that there's some dead people that would love to have a word with the author. They're less lethal, yes, but nonlethal is a misnomer.


FTA: "334 people died in the United States from 2001 to August 2008 after being hit by Tasers."

Of course, that's not counting the ones the cops 'disposed' of.
 
2009-12-29 03:44:40 PM
If there's going to be a ruling such as this, it should come with personal consequences for any cop that violates it. Like prison time.
 
2009-12-29 03:45:19 PM
If you don't quite understand how law enforcement has changed in the last 15 years almost solely due to the taser: Watch an old (either 80s or early 90s) episode of COPS and then watch a new episode.

In the older episodes, in all but the most severe crimes there's usually some degree of civility. Now it's "Get on the ground. I said get on the ground. Click...buzz" for something as silly as a drunkard in most cities.
 
2009-12-29 03:45:20 PM
h2oincfs: Pocket Ninja: Now, I'm not an engineer or anything, but I think it should be possible to create a special Taser Channeling Suit. Some sort of wearable electrical conductor that, when it's struck with the electrical current from the prongs, would channel those currents along special wires up your arms and to your fingertips so that you could shoot it back out in a little zappy lightning bolt. Maybe one lightning bolt from each hand. That would be even more cool. And maybe you could control the power of the charge, so one good tasing might power the suit enough for three or four zaps. There's probably a few engineering hurdles to overcome before I could start marketing the thing, but I think it would be a cool invention. No stealing my idea.

Taser-Proof Gear (new window)

Looks like they didn't go with the lightning-bolt hands thingy, so your idea is safe.


I suppose you'd have to have some sort of prong system set up to send the taser energy back out. Either that or pretend the Taser worked, wait for the cops to jump on you, then unleash the energy into everyone around you, throwing your arms up in the air as the police fly off like a super villain.
 
2009-12-29 03:46:07 PM
nitefallz: I remember a taser-proof shirt being sold online not too long ago.

Wouldn't thick clothing negate the effect too by not allowing the dart to touch the skin?


The taser can still zap you pretty good even with the prongs a few inches away from the skin.
 
2009-12-29 03:46:39 PM
It's about time
 
2009-12-29 03:47:51 PM
House of Tards: Politicians don't want to pick the fight because they worry too much about being seen as soft on crime if they go after the police.

I have a BIG problem with that part. Corrupt cops are criminals, and should be prosecuted to the fullest. But politicians don't think that going after corrupt cops is good for business, so the cops don't get punished for their crimes. I hate that cops get to do illegal stuff and face NO concequences in most instances.
 
2009-12-29 03:49:31 PM
Then ... how are cops supposed to punish people for lipping off at them?

Probably have to go back to a good old-fashioned clubbing.
 
2009-12-29 03:49:58 PM
Any armor that either prevents the barbs from penetrating (ei kevlar) or shorts the current (ei chain mail) will provide protection from tasers. This may be enough, as cops actually have to work to beat you with a stick. If they think you are a real threat they are going straight to the firearm anyway.
 
2009-12-29 03:50:30 PM
Spirit Hammer: Then ... how are cops supposed to punish people for lipping off at them?

Probably have to go back to a good old-fashioned clubbing.


www.andrew.cmu.edu

This one is my favorite.
 
2009-12-29 03:50:31 PM
ZAP...HEADSHOT!
http://tinyurl.com/yhtskkn
(copy and paste, PNSFW)
 
2009-12-29 03:51:15 PM
Pocket Ninja: No stealing my idea.

//runs off to file patent in texas
 
2009-12-29 03:53:19 PM
Space Monkey 39: Pocket Ninja: No stealing my idea.

//runs off to file patent in texas


Patents are Federal.
 
2009-12-29 03:55:43 PM
Treygreen13: This one is my favorite.

That is an awesome caption!!!
 
2009-12-29 03:55:55 PM
"It's a significant use of force, not like cuffing someone or using pain compliance or pepper spray," said Eugene Iredale, a lawyer for a San Diego-area man who was Tasered by a police officer who had stopped him for not wearing a seat belt. "It's not to be used promiscuously or lightly."

Promiscuous use of a taser?
 
2009-12-29 03:57:09 PM
Theaetetus: Space Monkey 39: Pocket Ninja: No stealing my idea.

//runs off to file patent in texas

Patents are Federal.


Even better.... now I don't have to travel!!
 
2009-12-29 03:58:27 PM
Donald_McRonald: Promiscuous use of a taser?

Well, you've heard of "The Shocker", right?
 
2009-12-29 03:58:47 PM
So now the cops will have to go back to shooting or beating the crap out of non-compliant suspects. I've never been shot, but I have had the crap beaten out of me, and I've been tasered. The taser was the least objectionable of the two, and, presumably, the three.
 
2009-12-29 04:00:43 PM
PenguinTheRed: So now the cops will have to go back to shooting or beating the crap out of non-compliant suspects. I've never been shot, but I have had the crap beaten out of me, and I've been tasered. The taser was the least objectionable of the two, and, presumably, the three.

Do we get to hear the story of why you were tasered?
 
2009-12-29 04:00:56 PM
gorgor: ZAP...HEADSHOT!
http://tinyurl.com/yhtskkn
(copy and paste, PNSFW)


dude, where do you find this shiat?
 
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