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(CNN)   Inside the Boeing 787 Dreamliner: progressive LED, 65% larger windows, serrated engine nacelles, and motherfarkin' automated snake catcher   (edition.cnn.com) divider line 96
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2009-12-29 12:30:58 AM
After Mister Crotchbomb's fun-filled follies, I bet they'll be forced to scrap all the ambient lighting and creature comforts, and install mandatory passenger restraint systems with 500 watt halogen floodlights and video surveillance over each seat to monitor every move you make.
 
2009-12-29 12:36:19 AM
Yeah, it's going to be redecorated with shopping-cart metal grid seats, which will be FABULOUS to sit on, naked, for the duration of the flight.

And the seats will be easily electrified for the less-compliant passenger.
 
2009-12-29 12:36:46 AM
How many regular airline seats do you think the airlines can squeeze into that thing. About 10 across?
 
2009-12-29 01:00:38 AM
Dufus: How many regular airline seats do you think the airlines can squeeze into that thing. About 10 across?

The -777 seats 3,3,3 with a cabin width of 19'3". So with just over a foot less, that means they can probably do 2,3,2 or maybe 3,2,3.
 
2009-12-29 01:20:28 AM
F yeah.
 
2009-12-29 01:36:04 AM
www.cnn.com


Approves
 
2009-12-29 01:46:35 AM
I know as well as you do that what we see is NOT going to be the final product, but I still have to wonder; what the frak kind of seating arrangment is that in there?!
 
2009-12-29 01:49:00 AM
serrated engine nacelles

Why? Better goose consumption?
 
2009-12-29 01:56:39 AM
www.blogcdn.com

I dunno, first class looks kind of cramped to me.
 
2009-12-29 01:56:40 AM
too much lighting gimmickiness. Just give me some Goddamned leg room
 
2009-12-29 01:58:12 AM
Detachable saucer section, too
 
2009-12-29 02:05:14 AM
Um no strippers?
 
2009-12-29 02:12:03 AM
fedexrico: too much lighting gimmickiness. Just give me some Goddamned leg room

You can have just as much as there is in the backseat of your friendly alternative, your ford focus.
 
2009-12-29 02:18:24 AM
You guys know most of you won't be seating in anything resembling those seats anytime soon.

Why can't they just sedate us and have coffin-like spaces. With the amount of corpses we can squeeze in, the prices would drop drastically.

I think the limitation now is it's too expensive to have an anesthesiologist on every flight.
 
2009-12-29 02:22:21 AM
"Boeing spent a lot of time focusing on how passengers perceive the cabin."

made me think of:

"Good morning, gentlemen. This is a twelve-story block combining classical neo-Georgian features with the efficiency of modern techniques. The tenants arrive in the entrance hall here, and are carried along the corridor on a conveyor belt in extreme comfort and past murals depicting Mediterranean scenes, towards the rotating knives. The last twenty feet of the corridor are heavily soundproofed. The blood pours down these chutes and the mangled flesh slurps into these..."
 
2009-12-29 02:31:26 AM
gund: Why can't they just sedate us and have coffin-like spaces. With the amount of corpses we can squeeze in, the prices would drop drastically.
I only like your idea if I'm sharing the "coffin-like space" with Milla.

/Multipass
 
2009-12-29 02:41:55 AM
fedexrico: too much lighting gimmickiness. Just give me some Goddamned leg room

I never understood you people with your leg room problems. Are you all 7 feet tall or something? I'm not exactly short and have no complaints flying coach on a 23 hour flight.
 
2009-12-29 02:52:31 AM
Panty Sniffer: fedexrico: too much lighting gimmickiness. Just give me some Goddamned leg room

I never understood you people with your leg room problems. Are you all 7 feet tall or something? I'm not exactly short and have no complaints flying coach on a 23 hour flight.


Through an odd twist of fate, I have the legs of a 7 foot tall person, but the torso of a 6 foot tall person. On the plus side my spine is worth several hundred thousand dollars, but I for one can definitely see the complaints about legroom. Especially with people who don't fly often, finding a position to be comfortable in is really hard when your knees are pressed into the seat in front of you. Of course this is because most people are used to resting with their bodies in a straight line.

Those who do fly often learn to get creative. If you use the joints that Athei gave you, it isn't too hard to fold up into a comfortable position. And if you want to get some sleep, learn to love the window seat. That wall is a godsend.
 
2009-12-29 03:40:28 AM
They never fail to impress you with pictures of first class, but they never show you what coach looks like. (new window)
 
2009-12-29 03:51:06 AM
Well, this Boeing Link (new window) (warning PDF) on page 9 shows a 317 passenger configuration with 3-3-3 seating in all but the first 2 rows.

/All the Boeing seat configs show 3-3-3 in coach.
//bastards
 
2009-12-29 03:52:45 AM
FTFA: "From the air you breath to the turbulence you (won't) feel to the windows you look through, the passenger experience promises to provide something new at every stage of your flight."

When did Farkers start writing CNN's copy?
 
2009-12-29 04:53:23 AM
Jesus, this article should have [sponsored link] included here and on the CNN page. This reads like an advertisement in a 1950s magazine.
 
2009-12-29 05:11:54 AM
RosevilleDan: Approves

I would be proud to set my balls on fire aboard such a fine aircraft.
 
2009-12-29 05:24:47 AM
TommyymmoT: They never fail to impress you with pictures of first class, but they never show you what coach looks like. (new window)

You are too generous.

matadortravel.com



Am I the only one who immediately thinks about how much easier it will be to get sucked out a window every time they mention the larger size?
 
2009-12-29 06:14:03 AM
Kirby Muxloe: Well, this Boeing Link (new window) (warning PDF) on page 9 shows a 317 passenger configuration with 3-3-3 seating in all but the first 2 rows.

/All the Boeing seat configs show 3-3-3 in coach.
//bastards


They show that in the picture in TFA. No, not up front(first class?), no not the ones behind... I guess that's business class configuration...waaaay in the back behind all the big, comfy seats. There we go, that's what we'll see. In inviting brown, no less!
 
2009-12-29 06:42:40 AM
Dont we have some resident shill who needs to come in here and brownnose about how awesome boeing is how airbus murder people and stuff?
 
2009-12-29 07:12:36 AM
A long article about all the innovations and the amenities of this new plane...and one photo.

Way to go, CNN.
 
2009-12-29 07:15:59 AM
that's the old mock-up from like 2001. it will look pretty much like any other airliner inside.
 
2009-12-29 07:33:18 AM
Do the seats perform automated cavity searches every half-hour so the stewardesses dont have to get their hands dirty?

/Damn terrorists
 
2009-12-29 07:33:54 AM
If it isn't stating the obvious, everytime someone makes a new airliner, they do mockups shopwing how wonderful it will be, and they always end up packing people in like they did before.
 
2009-12-29 07:35:09 AM
Panty Sniffer: fedexrico: too much lighting gimmickiness. Just give me some Goddamned leg room

I never understood you people with your leg room problems. Are you all 7 feet tall or something? I'm not exactly short and have no complaints flying coach on a 23 hour flight.


I am 6'1" with slightly longer than average legs, and while I wouldn't say that legroom is a problem, its an annoyance. Like, my legs don't shove into the next seat, but I cant move forward in any significant way.

The one thing I want to bring up that I thought other people would complain about is *shoulder* room. I sit down in a chair and count my lucky stars that my wife is tiny, because otherwise my shoulders would be pressing well into their seat "area". I usually get the aisle, lean into that, and then whenever the trucks come by I squeeze back in. Shoulder breadth is the major issue for me in coach.
 
2009-12-29 07:42:32 AM
and motherfarkin' automated snake catcher

So keep your snake in your pants if you know what's good for you.
 
2009-12-29 08:00:09 AM
gaspode: Dont we have some resident shill who needs to come in here and brownnose about how awesome boeing is how airbus murder people and stuff?

Airbus?! More like SCAREBUS, amirite?

Sorry, that's all I've got.
 
2009-12-29 08:10:51 AM
gaspode: Dont we have some resident shill who needs to come in here and brownnose about how awesome boeing is how airbus murder people and stuff?

Why bother? That would be merely stating the obvious.

In terms of safety, comfort and value, Boeing is tops, then Tupolev, next spot is reserved for whenever Tata starts manufacturing passenger jets then waaaaaay down the list is Scarebus.
 
2009-12-29 08:17:11 AM
dedekind_cut: The one thing I want to bring up that I thought other people would complain about is *shoulder* room. I sit down in a chair and count my lucky stars that my wife is tiny, because otherwise my shoulders would be pressing well into their seat "area". I usually get the aisle, lean into that, and then whenever the trucks come by I squeeze back in. Shoulder breadth is the major issue for me in coach.

Me too. I'm hardly excessively large - 5'11" 180 pounds, and two people my size sitting side by side is a problem. Unless you spend the entire flight sitting rigidly with your hands folded in front of you. God forbid you want to use your laptop or eat.
 
2009-12-29 08:18:39 AM
RosevilleDan: Approvesfark you.
 
2009-12-29 08:31:01 AM
They've managed to replicate Samuel L. Jackson as a robot?
 
2009-12-29 08:41:35 AM
Airbus / Scarebus continues its ritual un-prosecuted pre-meditated killing of passengers world wide. From forcing tsunami destroyed countries to buy Scarebus to get aid, to failing the A380 150% wing-loading test, Scarebus builds on its reputation for falling out of the sky. FL35, cruise and it "breaks up". Nice. Good planes.

If its not a Boeing, I'm not going.

Scarebus continues its engineering of murder and mayhem the world over. How many of our sons, daughters mothers and fathers and wives and husbands must be murdered by SCAREBUS before we stop this animal!

There have been recent and still as yet unexplained incidents at cruising altitude in the A330

See Qantas A330-300 (Flight QF72) emergency landing in Western Australia:

http://www.youtube.com/v/5d7aZtSOWZE

Concerning an A330 crash at an air show in France; a Discovery Channel documentary on this plane indicates that Air France had their best pilot on this plane and that computer was the cause:

http://www.youtube.com/v/fX4_Ho992TQ

Airbus / Scarebus continues its ritual un-prosecuted pre-meditated killing of passengers world wide. From forcing tsunami destroyed countries to buy Scarebus to get aid, to failing the A380 150% wing-loading test, Scarebus builds on its reputation for falling out of the sky. FL35, cruise and it "breaks up". Nice. Good planes.

Boeing planes crash because operators violate the plane. Screw up maintenance. Basically Boeing crashes are from terrorists, people painting over pressure sensors, people flying them into things or massive mechanical failures brought on by horrific neglect or poor maintenance. They can be EXPLAINED.

Scarebus accidents have a scary high percentage of massive catastrophic failure that cannot be explained.

All I have to say is : B-17, B-24, B-29 and B-52, these planes were built in ways that could soak up gun fire for well over 60 years. They know how to build planes that have more than normal survivability. Air BUS. Its not AirPlane, its AirBus. Cheap garbage made as cheaply as possible to line the pockets of fat cats and unionized sickos and the safety of the plane is left to be at the EXACT minimums required, and they cheat often at those. Airbus is the culture of death. If you own stock in them, you are a killer. If you work for them, you are a killer.

Tsunami-hit Thais told: Buy six planes or face EU tariffs

Published Date: 19 January 2005 By FRASER NELSON

TSUNAMI-struck Thailand has been told by the European Commission that it must buy six A380 Airbus aircraft if it wants to escape the tariffs against its fishing industry.
While millions of Europeans are sending aid to Thailand to help its recovery, trade authorities in Brussels are demanding that Thai Airlines, its national carrier, pays £1.3 billion to buy its double-decker aircraft.


The wing of the Airbus A380 static test specimen suffered a structural failure below the ultimate load target during trials in Toulouse earlier this week, but Airbus is confident that it will not need to modify production aircraft.

The airframer has been running load trials on a full scale A380 static test specimen in Toulouse since late 2004 (pictured below). After completing "limit load" tests (ie the maximum loads likely to experienced by the aircraft during normal service), progressively greater loads have been applied to the specimen towards the required 1.5 times the limit load. Engineers develop finite element models (FEM) to calculate the load requirements.

"The failure occurred last Tuesday between 1.45 and 1.5 times the limit load at a point between the inboard and outboard engines," says Airbus executive vice president engineering Alain Garcia. "This is within 3% of the 1.5 target, which shows the accuracy of the FEM." He adds that the ultimate load trial is an "extremely severe test during which a wing deflection of 7.4m (24.3ft) was recorded".
 
2009-12-29 08:56:20 AM
MugzyBrown: Boeing planes crash because operators violate the plane.

Rule 34?
Anyone? Gorgor?
 
2009-12-29 09:05:54 AM
Dansker: MugzyBrown: Boeing planes crash because operators violate the plane.

Rule 34?
Anyone? Gorgor?


So that's what the Auto-Pilot was for in Airplane. *fingersnap*
 
2009-12-29 09:11:08 AM
They better not screw this up by cramming in an extra 100 seats. I actually like the look of this as it is. There was another article a few months back that showed more pics of this and it looked really nice. Some of the improvements are only minor but it all adds up and I could see how it would make for a nicer flight.

The best part for me was hearing that ANA were going to be the first to use them in 9 months. I'm planning on flying to Japan in just over 9 months so I hope that I get one of these. Of course I'm sure they'll have destroyed any leg room by then so I'm probably getting my hopes up for nothing.

And yeah, I'm 6' and about 140lbs and leg room is horrible for me. If I sit with my knees straight ahead they press into the seat in front. I can't spread my knees to avoid this either cause they would just encroach into the next persons space far to much. I have to rely on having an ailse seat and sticking my legs out into the ailse and then just moving them when someone needs to get by.

/Had a emergency exit seat on my last flight though.
//All the leg room I could ask for.
 
2009-12-29 09:13:29 AM
Daienden: Panty Sniffer: fedexrico: too much lighting gimmickiness. Just give me some Goddamned leg room

I never understood you people with your leg room problems. Are you all 7 feet tall or something? I'm not exactly short and have no complaints flying coach on a 23 hour flight.

Through an odd twist of fate, I have the legs of a 7 foot tall person, but the torso of a 6 foot tall person. On the plus side my spine is worth several hundred thousand dollars, but I for one can definitely see the complaints about legroom. Especially with people who don't fly often, finding a position to be comfortable in is really hard when your knees are pressed into the seat in front of you. Of course this is because most people are used to resting with their bodies in a straight line.

Those who do fly often learn to get creative. If you use the joints that Athei gave you, it isn't too hard to fold up into a comfortable position. And if you want to get some sleep, learn to love the window seat. That wall is a godsend.


As a 6'6 person, I am really getting a kick... Whenever the studies come out indicating that the tall earn more, I think of the cost of 1st class, size 16 shoes, cars that fit me (look at fullsize vs compact rental), food, etc., and want to slap the whiners.

/don't recline if you're in front of me
//I will slap a biatch, and take your peanuts
 
2009-12-29 09:14:41 AM
I would like to retable my proposal from several years ago:

Replace the flight attendants with a fewer number of anesthesiologists. People are put into chemically induced comas prior to boarding and stacked into the pressurized cabin area using unitized gurney/luggage compartment racks. They are awakened at their destination.

Benefits include:
1) Higher passenger density (Stack 'em three high if you want!)
2) Less jet-lag
3) No in-flight meals or entertainment required (Cost savings!)
4) Layovers no longer an issue
5) Near zero chance of someone flipping out (Better security)
6) No windows, extra bathrooms, etc. (Cheaper to build planes)

=Smidge=
 
2009-12-29 09:31:00 AM
Smidge204: I would like to retable my proposal from several years ago:

Replace the flight attendants with a fewer number of anesthesiologists. People are put into chemically induced comas prior to boarding and stacked into the pressurized cabin area using unitized gurney/luggage compartment racks. They are awakened at their destination.

Benefits include:
1) Higher passenger density (Stack 'em three high if you want!)
2) Less jet-lag
3) No in-flight meals or entertainment required (Cost savings!)
4) Layovers no longer an issue
5) Near zero chance of someone flipping out (Better security)
6) No windows, extra bathrooms, etc. (Cheaper to build planes)

=Smidge=


Yeah, but what do you do when you awaken to find that the airline placed you on the wrong flight during a connection and you're in New Jersey rather than Honolulu on your honeymoon, your new wife went to Nigeria, and your luggage is en route to Siberia?
 
2009-12-29 09:31:31 AM
Because bigger windows, lots of new, un-proven technology and construction techniques has NEVER resulted in issues in aviation, before.

I'll wait till they shake out the little bugs, like the wings breaking off, before flying on the thing. Ditto for the 350 and 380.

Hell, has Boeing gotten around to fixing the 737's magical mystery rudder yet? And I mean a real fix, not just stonewalling the FAA and NTSB...

/Yay A vs B wars!
 
2009-12-29 09:35:24 AM
Daienden: Panty Sniffer: fedexrico: too much lighting gimmickiness. Just give me some Goddamned leg room

I never understood you people with your leg room problems. Are you all 7 feet tall or something? I'm not exactly short and have no complaints flying coach on a 23 hour flight.

Through an odd twist of fate, I have the legs of a 7 foot tall person, but the torso of a 6 foot tall person. On the plus side my spine is worth several hundred thousand dollars,


You don't say.
 
2009-12-29 09:42:32 AM
Viewer: Jesus, this article should have [sponsored link] included here and on the CNN page. This reads like an advertisement in a 1950s magazine.

Are you implying that major news organizations try to pass of press releases as news?
 
2009-12-29 09:46:52 AM
Viewer: Jesus, this article should have [sponsored link] included here and on the CNN page. This reads like an advertisement in a 1950s magazine.

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who noticed that. Advertising as news is certainly common enough (someone ought to write a book), but this one was so completely over the top that it's left an image in my head of Boeing leaving money on the bedside table and quietly slipping out the door while CNN sleeps uncomfortably on the wet spot.
 
2009-12-29 09:56:08 AM
Smidge204: I would like to retable my proposal from several years ago:

Replace the flight attendants with a fewer number of anesthesiologists.


The average flight attendant makes about $45,000 a year. The average anesthesiologist makes about $250k-300k a year.

Anesthesiologists also require quite a bit of education as it is not simply "inject and slack off the rest of the day."

If we stripped out all the extra stuff (bathrooms, food) and increased the capacity of the plane by.... let's say double. Would that offset the new cost of having multiple anesthesiologists on board?

/Remember, putting someone to sleep is easy. The hard part is waking them back up.
 
2009-12-29 09:59:01 AM
FTFA: Of course, it's up to the airlines buying the planes to decide what you see, and some of them may well modify the boarding area and other features of the plane. But even if they muck it up completely, there's still a lot of "wow" in the 787 cabin.


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