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(USA Today)   College campuses are adding more and more "green majors" to their rosters, opening up a career path for those who can't hack the rigor of liberal arts   (usatoday.com) divider line 343
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2009-12-28 05:58:10 AM
I've never understood the Fark hate for liberal arts. Attorneys, politicians, and teachers are failures? You might not think they're always likeable, but let's not pretend they haven't busted their asses.

I guess we can't all be basement dwelling IT gurus.
 
2009-12-28 06:11:25 AM
Green majors?

"Hey, man...my girlfriend has a Masters in Glass Sorting."

"Awesome! I'm working on my PhD in Prius."
 
2009-12-28 07:51:36 AM
WFern: I've never understood the Fark hate for liberal arts. Attorneys, politicians, and teachers are failures? You might not think they're always likeable, but let's not pretend they haven't busted their asses.

I guess we can't all be basement dwelling IT gurus.


The CS/MATH department at my college is, in fact, in a basement.
 
2009-12-28 08:25:17 AM
My boyfriend is an engineer at a firm that does a lot of 'green' building design and renovation; my last contract I worked with wind turbines. MechE, EnvE, and EE are your tickets to doing Big Things; to a lesser extent Aeros and CivEs are used as well.

And do your farking research programs, internships and co-ops. It doesn't matter if it's exactly in your field, just do something you think is neat. It shows interest and a zest for your subject matter. No one is hiring fresh out of school engimaneers for this work who don't have something else on their resume to sweeten the deal.

/undergrad research was in mobile robotics
//now into process analysis and number crunching, but it still starts conversations.
 
2009-12-28 08:28:06 AM
My son (4th grade) goes to an environmental science school here in Seattle.
 
2009-12-28 09:29:39 AM
WFern: I've never understood the Fark hate for liberal arts. Attorneys, politicians, and teachers are failures? You might not think they're always likeable, but let's not pretend they haven't busted their asses.

I guess we can't all be basement dwelling IT gurus.


Teachers aren't failures.
 
2009-12-28 09:30:04 AM
At least it's marginally more scientific than liberal arts. So there's that.
 
2009-12-28 09:31:30 AM
WFern: I've never understood the Fark hate for liberal arts. Attorneys, politicians, and teachers are failures? You might not think they're always likeable, but let's not pretend they haven't busted their asses.

And if it weren't for philosophy majors who'd serve our fries?
 
2009-12-28 09:38:53 AM
The Icelander: At least it's marginally more scientific than liberal arts. So there's that.

I'm going to guess that the classes at MIT are highly scientific, and the students are learning how to actually design and build power plants, while the students at UC Berkeley are learning how to harangue people on internet forums about "sustainability."
 
2009-12-28 09:39:34 AM
I'd mock, but I have a degree in Art History.
 
2009-12-28 09:51:05 AM
The Icelander: WFern: I've never understood the Fark hate for liberal arts. Attorneys, politicians, and teachers are failures? You might not think they're always likeable, but let's not pretend they haven't busted their asses.

And if it weren't for philosophy majors who'd serve our fries?


Philosophy majors are the "greenest" of all. They don't even need a pencil and paper to do their work.
 
2009-12-28 09:51:19 AM
Several years ago when I was finishing up my B.A. in Military History, I took a Geography class for non-majors. On a field excursion the professor was discussing the "Environmental Science" degrees a number of larger institutions were offering. Most grad programs and businesses didn't know what to make of them; they preferred to take graduates with "tangible" degrees like Biology and Chemistry. I wonder if a few years of green culture has improved their status?
 
2009-12-28 09:52:54 AM
The MBAs probgrams aren't easy enough?
 
2009-12-28 09:53:33 AM
er, MBA PROGRAMS?
 
2009-12-28 09:54:12 AM
My major was green because I majored in envy. I have my BA in Coveting with a minor in Unrequited Love.
 
2009-12-28 09:54:21 AM
People laughed when ecology was made into a major too. Mock this stuff all you want but the reality is we need to transition from the industrial age to something better.
 
2009-12-28 09:56:44 AM
A "green major", at least the ones I'm familiar with, are based on biology, wildlife science, and economics. Fail, submitter.
 
2009-12-28 09:58:42 AM
The Icelander: WFern: I've never understood the Fark hate for liberal arts. Attorneys, politicians, and teachers are failures? You might not think they're always likeable, but let's not pretend they haven't busted their asses.

And if it weren't for philosophy majors who'd serve our fries?


/philosophy major
//not even qualified to ask if you'd like fries with that
///qualified enough to get a free ride to law school
 
2009-12-28 09:58:43 AM
Colleges and universities are as capitalist as everything else nowadays. They don't care if you turn out to be anything, they just want your money. If you're stupid enough to think there's a future in your fake-a$$ degree, then by all means.

/not mentioning an degrees in particular
 
2009-12-28 09:58:46 AM
theres nothing i hate more than green majors.

they show up in your unit and make a shjtton of changes, hoping one will be substantial enough to get him promoted to Lt Col.
 
2009-12-28 09:59:55 AM
dogdaze: People laughed when ecology was made into a major too. Mock this stuff all you want but the reality is we need to transition from the industrial age to something better.

Thank you. And if you think ecology is easy, ecological modeling is done with calculus. It's numbers, not standing out in the woods admiring the trees.

/Although we get to do that too, if we suck at calculus. Wheee!
 
2009-12-28 10:00:30 AM
OMG that's so cute!!!

Can I major in saving baby seals?!?
 
2009-12-28 10:01:53 AM
dogdaze: People laughed when ecology was made into a major too. Mock this stuff all you want but the reality is we need to transition from the industrial age to something better.

Good luck with that catching on. People are stupid.
 
2009-12-28 10:01:58 AM
doubled99: OMG that's so cute!!!

Can I major in saving baby seals?!?


Not with taking the core classes inclduing: dendrophilia and ginger snap making.
 
2009-12-28 10:02:08 AM
dogdaze: People laughed when ecology was made into a major too. Mock this stuff all you want but the reality is we need to transition from the industrial age to something better.

Can you get a degree in post apocalyptic survival?
 
2009-12-28 10:02:57 AM
But what happens when we get "yellow majors" and "red majors?" A dark night indeed for education would surely follow.
 
2009-12-28 10:03:03 AM
+1 Subby
You, Sir, are a magnificent bastard.
Green Majors will pay off until the scam collapses of its own weight. Probably another 10 years. Then they'll be stoned to death.
 
2009-12-28 10:04:08 AM
I bet there is a lot of money in those fields though.

Some of the courses include how to set up fake companies that sell carbon credits. Also, how to create guilt by saying "carbon footprint" over and over again without ever explaining what it means.
 
2009-12-28 10:05:18 AM
They all ready have degrees for this. They are called Engineering and Science

You see, the scientists generally research the stuff and the engineers generally design and build it.
 
2009-12-28 10:05:36 AM
Tat'dGreaser: I bet there is a lot of money in those fields though.

Some of the courses include how to set up fake companies that sell carbon credits. Also, how to create guilt by saying "carbon footprint" over and over again without ever explaining what it means.


ROADHOUSE!
 
2009-12-28 10:05:37 AM
Here is another example of why college is for suckers. I never finished college and I make six figures. Take that, suckers!
 
2009-12-28 10:07:16 AM
WFern: I've never understood the Fark hate for liberal arts. Attorneys, politicians, and teachers are failures? You might not think they're always likeable, but let's not pretend they haven't busted their asses.

I don't know any teachers with liberal arts degrees, as for the first two, we want people that actually produce things in our society, not those who live off the production of others.
 
2009-12-28 10:07:34 AM
sboyle1020: ROADHOUSE!

Now that's a major I would get behind. Roadhouse major.
 
2009-12-28 10:08:16 AM
doubled99: OMG that's so cute!!!

Can I major in saving baby seals?!?


There's a club for that.
 
2009-12-28 10:08:20 AM
Green jobs are a growth industry. They will continue to be so.

What's wrong with you subby?

Someone shiat in your slippers this morning?
 
2009-12-28 10:08:26 AM
soze: My boyfriend is an engineer at a firm that does a lot of 'green' building design and renovation; my last contract I worked with wind turbines. MechE, EnvE, and EE are your tickets to doing Big Things; to a lesser extent Aeros and CivEs are used as well.

And do your farking research programs, internships and co-ops. It doesn't matter if it's exactly in your field, just do something you think is neat. It shows interest and a zest for your subject matter. No one is hiring fresh out of school engimaneers for this work who don't have something else on their resume to sweeten the deal.

/undergrad research was in mobile robotics
//now into process analysis and number crunching, but it still starts conversations.


This.

As I understand it there's a ton of very complicated work that is needed out there right now that could be defined as "green". Look at improving existing things like batteries and processors and engines. Then of course there's new technologies that will replace or augment existing things as well like some new kind of tablet thingy that can store any and all info you need and has a way of getting signatures and email, etc which works in furtherance of the goal of a paperless office, school house, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are plenty of majors that could fall under "green" that are more spot on the wall type of things like whinging about buzzwords like "smarter" and "sustainability" without actually having any idea as to how those ideas apply to the real world and don't in any way actually work to achieve or further such things. But to just assume all new work in the field of "green" (dear god do I hate that term so farking much) is as useful as underwater basket weaving seems a bit naive.
 
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2009-12-28 10:08:32 AM
Fano: But what happens when we get "yellow majors" and "red majors?" A dark night indeed for education would surely follow.

We've got to put a stop to all these coloured students!
 
2009-12-28 10:08:39 AM
There are two kinds of degrees:

Real ones that require math, and fake ones that don't. The fake ones are a big waste of time and money, just sit home and read books. Even if you plan on a non-math grad school your education will be better if you choose a math heavy undergrad vs a party major.
 
2009-12-28 10:11:21 AM
Headso: dogdaze: People laughed when ecology was made into a major too. Mock this stuff all you want but the reality is we need to transition from the industrial age to something better.

Can you get a degree in post apocalyptic survival?


That would be so awesome.
 
2009-12-28 10:11:44 AM
Swampthing in Korea: They all ready have degrees for this. They are called Engineering and Science
You see, the scientists generally research the stuff and the engineers generally design and build it.


And the people who don't understand science get together on the internet and pretend that "green" people don't actually know anything. Better that, than admit that maybe some of the eco-nuts know what they're talking about, and might actually have a better way of doing things.
 
2009-12-28 10:12:00 AM
RembrandtQEinstein: There are two kinds of degrees:

Real ones that require math, and fake ones that don't. The fake ones are a big waste of time and money, just sit home and read books. Even if you plan on a non-math grad school your education will be better if you choose a math heavy undergrad vs a party major.


Finance. Even if you hate it. Probably the most "transferable" degree. Unless you have a burning desire to major in something else, just take Finance.
 
2009-12-28 10:12:02 AM
Well, you have to have a major for the people on my campus that hold monthly "Climate Vigils".

Yes, they've turned "climate changer" into a religion-like status.
 
2009-12-28 10:13:57 AM
Swampthing in Korea: They all ready have degrees for this. They are called Engineering and Science

You see, the scientists generally research the stuff and the engineers generally design and build it.


Hey, it makes these new kids feel important. So what if the rest of mainstream science and engineering has already shifted their to being more ecofriendly. Stop pissin on their parade
 
2009-12-28 10:14:10 AM
Not An Alt: Here is another example of why college is for suckers. I never finished college and I make six figures. Take that, suckers!

For my kid's sake, I'm banking on this. Otherwise, by the time they get to college, my wife and I will both have to be CEO's to pay for it.

/assuming we can also get loans.
 
2009-12-28 10:14:51 AM
Headso: dogdaze: People laughed when ecology was made into a major too. Mock this stuff all you want but the reality is we need to transition from the industrial age to something better.

Can you get a degree in post apocalyptic survival?


That sounds fun. A class project could include dropping everyone off in Pripyat, Ukraine with minimal supplies leaving them to survive for a whole week.
 
2009-12-28 10:16:09 AM
Not An Alt: Here is another example of why college is for suckers. I never finished college and I make six figures. Take that, suckers!

So you made an attempt, failed and become a plumber. NTTAWWT...
 
2009-12-28 10:16:33 AM
This thread needs more CzarAngelus.


/We miss you, ya big lug.
//Won't you please come back for 2010?
 
2009-12-28 10:16:45 AM
RembrandtQEinstein: There are two kinds of degrees:

Real ones that require math, and fake ones that don't. The fake ones are a big waste of time and money, just sit home and read books. Even if you plan on a non-math grad school your education will be better if you choose a math heavy undergrad vs a party major.


^One of the dumbest posts you'll ever run across.

I'm a magna cum laude graduate with a technical (heavy math) degree.

Technical degrees are almost completely worthless in the job market and teach you nothing about how to think. Basically they involve a lot of rote memorization.

The best courses i tool were English Lit where you actually had to use your brain to figure out the important lessons great writers were trying to teach you.
 
2009-12-28 10:16:56 AM
Hey, all you engineers that can't find a job, that sounds way more interesting than Computer Programming doesn't it? Hurry now and you may be able to muck up a whole new area with redundant, vague acronyms to convince employers it's really not your fault that none of your shiat works right.
 
2009-12-28 10:19:06 AM
Nice one, subby.
 
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