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(MSNBC)   The 2009 Delicious Irony award goes to Native American tribes, who are using funds from casinos to buy America back, a few thousand acres at a time   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 423
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2009-12-27 10:43:39 PM  
Kick ass as far as I'm concerned. As long as they let us white folk live on the land they buy. I'd be happy to live sustainably under their auspices.
 
2009-12-27 10:52:49 PM  
Buying up parts of rural Nebraska is really sticking it to Whitey.
 
2009-12-27 10:58:07 PM  
While Indian casinos are pretty much the most pathetic refuge of the dregs of obese, retired humanity busy blowing their Social Security checks one desperate, chain-smoking, slot-machine pull at a time, I have to admit they usally make pretty good food.

The buffet at Cache Creek near Napa is to be particularly recommended, especially on sea-food night.
 
2009-12-27 11:06:52 PM  
I think it's cute they think we'll let them keep the land they're "buying".
 
2009-12-28 12:32:23 AM  
EviLincoln: Buying up parts of rural Nebraska is really sticking it to Whitey.

Who else lives in rural Nebraska?
 
2009-12-28 12:34:47 AM  
Being Famous Sucks: Kick ass as far as I'm concerned. As long as they let us white folk live on the land they buy. I'd be happy to live sustainably under their auspices.

The only "bad" thing I can see is that when the land is put in "trust" the local government is still responsible for providing services such as sewage and plumbing, but they are not allowed to tax the owners of that property. This could, eventually, put an undue burden on the non-native-American property owners and eventually (if they keep buying up land) lead to an unsustainable situation.
 
2009-12-28 12:54:51 AM  
Talon:

The only "bad" thing I can see is that when the land is put in "trust" the local government is still responsible for providing services such as sewage and plumbing, but they are not allowed to tax the owners of that property. This could, eventually, put an undue burden on the non-native-American property owners and eventually (if they keep buying up land) lead to an unsustainable situation.


I agree that would be a bad thing, but geez, could you really blame them?
 
2009-12-28 01:02:23 AM  
Mentat: EviLincoln: Buying up parts of rural Nebraska is really sticking it to Whitey.

Who else lives in rural Nebraska?


heh!
 
2009-12-28 01:59:37 AM  
Where's General Custard when you need him.....oh wait.
 
2009-12-28 02:13:22 AM  
Don't Nebraska casinos have cheap buffets?
 
2009-12-28 02:51:44 AM  
They better remember to pay the ironic property tax and the ironic tax on any profits when they sell, and to ironically obey all US law and accept "imminent domain" if anyone needs to build an ironic highway.
 
2009-12-28 02:52:33 AM  
kill whitey!
 
2009-12-28 02:54:39 AM  
snugglyhugs: They better remember to pay the ironic property tax and the ironic tax on any profits when they sell, and to ironically obey all US law and accept "imminent domain" if anyone needs to build an ironic highway.

Do you know how I know you didn't RTFA?
 
2009-12-28 03:02:32 AM  
AlwaysRightBoy: Where's General Custard when you need him.....oh wait.

That reminded me of the Angry Video Game Nerd's Atari porn review (nsfw).
 
2009-12-28 03:04:38 AM  
Did they interview Chief Runs With Premise for the article?
 
2009-12-28 03:08:40 AM  
"Putting land in trust creates a burden for local governments because they must still provide services such as sewer and water even though they can't collect taxes on the property,"

Well hell, that's a tradition and way of life that anyone can get behind. Live large on the work of other people. Sure sounds like something to be proud of.

/Lived " out west " around native Americans for 10 years. For every honest respectful honest hard working person you meet there are 20 scam artists , fraudsters, and 'kill whitey' types.

//moved away, quickly. Enjoying rent control, air conditioning and not paying for other people to hate me.
 
2009-12-28 03:10:55 AM  
So...how can I put my land in a federal trust to avoid paying local and state taxes on it?

Is it only for the natives or can us white folk get in on this deal?

If it is only for the natives, who can i get to sue on my behalf so i can reap the benefits?
 
2009-12-28 03:11:47 AM  
Does protecting their culture and way of life include going back to the stone age and giving up inventions like the wheel?

I welcome our new casino overlords.
 
2009-12-28 03:12:11 AM  
One of the examples of Native Americans buying "back" land is Winnebago in Nebraska.

If you don't get what's odd about that then I'm not going to explain it.
 
2009-12-28 03:12:15 AM  
Good god how much inbreeding is going on to keep these "indians" around?
 
2009-12-28 03:13:34 AM  
Wasn't this basically the whole point of letting them set up casinos?
 
2009-12-28 03:15:23 AM  
All the local governments have to do is get rid of the current "tax" system and change it over to a "fee" system. So every house hooked up to municipal water and sewer pays a set amount every month. I think many cities already do this anyway.
 
2009-12-28 03:15:50 AM  
Cheif Wipes With Leaves Disapproves!
 
2009-12-28 03:17:19 AM  
I find a certain twisted logic here.

Protecting and preserving "Native" language and culture is a good thing. But attempting to protect "American" language and culture is racist and bigoted.
 
2009-12-28 03:17:46 AM  
Spokesman Sam Birdwater said: God knows I am a patriot. I loaned the country 400 Billion. And I want my 400 Billion back. Does that make me a bad guy? I've got to eat too, you know! So I'm giving the President until the end of September this year to pay me back, or I'll be forced to foreclose. What can I do? I've got to eat too, you know! Does that make me a bad guy?


/obscure?
 
2009-12-28 03:18:41 AM  
Tribal membership has been growing thanks to higher birth rates, longer life spans and more relaxed qualifications for membership,

?? 1/25? 1/40?

What ?
 
2009-12-28 03:21:42 AM  
attention span of a retarded fruit fly: Tribal membership has been growing thanks to higher birth rates, longer life spans and more relaxed qualifications for membership,

?? 1/25? 1/40?

What ?


This has to do with the blood rule.

For membership in a tribe you have to have a certain proportion of "true" ancestry.

Which is totally not ignorant, racist or anything like that.
 
2009-12-28 03:23:02 AM  
myinternetname: Good god how much inbreeding is going on to keep these "indians" around?

Hi, I'm posting from a reservation. Fun fact: the majority of the "full-blooded" families around here interbred with the Scots and Irish two and a half to three centuries ago. It's why you'll see people with an unbroken lineage clear back to the Trail of Tears with blue eyes.
 
2009-12-28 03:24:27 AM  
As Ramson Lomatewama once joked as he was lighting a friend of mine's cigarette: "We're getting you back."

/I, for one, welcome our Native American overlords.
 
2009-12-28 03:24:51 AM  
Why would the Winnebago Tribe need to own land?

Seem to be plenty of campgrounds nearly everywhere.
Heck, they even have an RV park at the MGM Grand in Vegas. So the tribe memebers could see what a real casino is like.
 
2009-12-28 03:25:48 AM  
Good, I hope this continues.
 
2009-12-28 03:25:51 AM  
Occam's Chainsaw: myinternetname: Good god how much inbreeding is going on to keep these "indians" around?

Hi, I'm posting from a reservation. Fun fact: the majority of the "full-blooded" families around here interbred with the Scots and Irish two and a half to three centuries ago. It's why you'll see people with an unbroken lineage clear back to the Trail of Tears with blue eyes.


They mixed with Scots?

My god, that's worse!
 
2009-12-28 03:27:02 AM  
Swampthing in Korea: They mixed with Scots?

My god, that's worse!


Where do you think they got the taste for whiskey, and the inability to drink it without starting a fistfight?
 
2009-12-28 03:27:19 AM  
Maybe they'll start handing out disease-infected blankets to whitey now.
 
2009-12-28 03:27:46 AM  
EviLincoln: Buying up parts of rural Nebraska is really sticking it to Whitey.

It's not just Nebraska. Where I grew up in central NY this is happening. It's a big mess -- the Oneidas are suing for half the land in the state (ok I exaggerate), while at the same time buying up land, which some people are suing them over because it takes away taxable property. But at the same time, the Indians currently make PILOTs (payments in lieu of taxes -- basically a gift to the local schools/towns) on land that has always been reservation, even though they're not required to. So if the local govts start collecting taxes on this bought-and-put-into-trust land, the Oneidas will just stop making these PILOTs, which are far more lucrative to the local govts than what they're missing out on now.

Personally I kind of get a chuckle out of it. We screwed them out of their land, and now they're screwing us out of ours, while getting us to finance it.
 
2009-12-28 03:29:52 AM  
Well if they can really make a go at it and become not only self-sustaining but environmentally sustainable I guess one good thing will have come out of the modern myth of the aboriginal American.

/Then again most of the ones I know are fairly trashy
//Trophy hunt regardless of season, run dog fights, hunt by spotlighting deer from a 4x4 and chasing them down with dogs, etc
///Is alright with native hunting rights, but only if they have to do it the way their ancestors did in the exact same garb, with the exact same equipment
 
2009-12-28 03:29:58 AM  
Gangway Fathead: Spokesman Sam Birdwater said: God knows I am a patriot. I loaned the country 400 Billion. And I want my 400 Billion back. Does that make me a bad guy? I've got to eat too, you know! So I'm giving the President until the end of September this year to pay me back, or I'll be forced to foreclose. What can I do? I've got to eat too, you know! Does that make me a bad guy?


/obscure?


Americathon!
 
2009-12-28 03:30:07 AM  
esteban9: Maybe they'll start handing out disease-infected blankets to whitey now.

Except it never happened in the first place.
 
2009-12-28 03:30:36 AM  
Why are most native American women unattractive? Sure, there are a handful that are decent or somewhat hot, but most are eeewwww.
 
2009-12-28 03:32:46 AM  
Why is it wonderful for them to be using these unfair tax and regulatory advantages to buy land? And land that isn't part of the legal fiction of an independent nation that's used to legalize this special treatment is exempt from state and local taxes and regulations.
 
2009-12-28 03:32:52 AM  
As 1/8th Mingo (mom's grandad was full-blooded) I look forward to acquiring a large land trust in West Virginia where I will one day live.

Wait...
 
2009-12-28 03:42:22 AM  
Stupid farking white man.

/Do you have any tobacco?
 
2009-12-28 03:43:06 AM  
thinks_on_feet: As 1/8th Mingo (mom's grandad was full-blooded) I look forward to acquiring a large land trust in West Virginia where I will one day live.

Wait...


I read that as Mi-go, which initially raised a hell of a lot of questions about your family tree.
 
2009-12-28 03:44:43 AM  
HA!

I have my mother's tentacles.
 
2009-12-28 03:46:19 AM  
AlwaysRightBoy: Where's General Custard when you need him.....oh wait.

He's HERE

www.custardslaststand.com
 
2009-12-28 03:47:38 AM  
grotto_man: Why is it wonderful for them to be using these unfair tax and regulatory advantages to buy land? And land that isn't part of the legal fiction of an independent nation that's used to legalize this special treatment is exempt from state and local taxes and regulations.

Wait, it's okay for your side to ignore the law for - in some cases - several hundred years as long as it's stuff you like, but if the other side starts using the law in ways you don't it's somehow "unfair"? Tough, it's legal. Good for them.

Oh, and I think theyll agree with you on the immigration issue youre pushing, though they might like it retroactive a few hundred years.
 
2009-12-28 03:51:38 AM  
NowImNothing: Why are most native American women unattractive? Sure, there are a handful that are decent or somewhat hot, but most are eeewwww.

Diet, hard drinking, & smoking mostly. And others just don't give a fark.

/wife worked as a dietician at the Native American Hospital briefly... so kick/replies
 
2009-12-28 03:55:22 AM  
Not sure that is irony, Alanismitter.
 
2009-12-28 03:56:37 AM  
I can think of several Native American chicks I know who are easily hotter than most of these fat farkers could ever hope to get with... and four times as many who are hot but on the heavy side.

/Has no problem with hot and heavy.
//Knows it's a troll, but felt like responding, anyway.
 
2009-12-28 04:01:47 AM  
Good thing I belong to the Native American Land Conservancy


/no I do not appear on their website
 
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