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2009-12-26 08:29:59 PM  
Will The Amazing Race be influenced by these changes? I mean they do have to wear those fanny packs and that could be considered dangerous, no?
 
2009-12-26 08:30:16 PM  
Here's an idea: ban the bringing of rolling suitcases as carry-on. Assign each seat a specified space in the overhead. Gauge the IQ of TSA employees and fire those who are in the low, low range. Invest in El Al security. Those are security measures I could get behind.

This isn't. What's next? Will we get in trouble for ordering orange juice onboard?
 
2009-12-26 08:30:28 PM  
NeedleGuy

Obscure on Fark: Islamic Inconveniencists.

*snert*

/That'll be showing up on the Jay Leno Show shortly


hey now, no need to insult the guy ! :-P
give the guy credit / raise your standards!

how about "That'll be showing up on The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson" ?

/FTFY
 
2009-12-26 08:30:30 PM  

davynelson: Je5tEr funsized: Je5tEr: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

Seriously. How long has it been since those idiots crashed a few airliners? Has ANYTHING been built on the towers' site yet? Embarrassing. An entire country hiding under its beds all this time, farking pathetic. I'm farking EMBARRASSED to be an American more and more every single day this crap keeps going on.

Just wait till some group pulls some shiat on a Greyhound or Amtrak, or the DC beltway, then we all might as well be confined to our homes.

Everyone I know in the military (several dozen still serving) thinks all of this is a disgrace.

Well, there was the crazy farker who beheaded the guy sitting next to him on the Greyhound last year then kept trying to eat the ears when the cops were trying to get at him....

Are you farking serious? Link?


He's serious.
but it wasn't terrorism per se.


Two X-chromosomes, and sorry, I never meant to imply that it was terrorism at all. It was just an excellent example of something horrible happening on a Greyhound--I agree, definitely not terrorism.
 
2009-12-26 08:30:34 PM  

Mentat: Goddamnit. Every time airline security restrictions start getting reasonable, some dumbass lights himself on fire and we're back to square one.


So much this it hurts.
 
2009-12-26 08:30:53 PM  

LesserEvil: NeedleGuy: from one news link: Dr Mutallab is said to have warned the US authorities about his son's extreme views six months ago. Abdulmutallab was reportedly on a security watch list,

So the US authorities knew about this guy, he was on a security watch list and still was able to fly into the United States with no questions asked.

I guess you don't get much for the trillion dollars our government has spent on the War on TerrorTM these days.


www.lunareclipse.net
 
2009-12-26 08:31:08 PM  

Dingo7734: funsized: medius: traylor: why don't you ban flying?

but then only outlaws will fly

I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me....

/definitely not obscure

The Farmer Astronaut?


acandidworld.files.wordpress.com

Frowns upon your lack of knowledge about the 'verse.

/seriously, the Astronaut Farmer was your guess?
//Fail.
 
2009-12-26 08:31:36 PM  
I'd much rather deal with the slight possibility of a terrorist attack than live in a police state. No matter how strict the regulations get, there will always be somebody who can figure out a way around them to do something bad.

If you really want to stop terrorism, then maybe you should pressure your government not to take actions that make entire regions of the world hate you.

And no, they don't "Hate us for Our Freedoms!tm"
 
2009-12-26 08:31:37 PM  
Seriously, quit farking flying! Boycott the airlines as much as possible.
 
2009-12-26 08:32:26 PM  
mark12A:

Islam is NOT a religion. It is a cross between a political movement, a cult and an obsessive-compulsive disorder.

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE. It is an ideological movement. It is attacking us from within. 10% of muslims are Islamic Fundies. And 90% of Muslims look the other way.

Want to solve the problem? Make life for ALL muslims a living hell in order to MOTIVATE them to eliminate the crazies.

Works in the Army. One guy in a squad screws up, the entire squad get punished. The squad members then do a very efficient job of straightening out the bad actor.

Want to avoid the Crusades 2.0? MAKE THE MUZZIES CLEAN UP THEIR ACT. NOW.


WOW. yeah. great idea. let's terrorize average civilians because 0.001% of "Muzzies" as you call them, are extremists.
speaking of extremists, which backwoods bible camp gutter did you crawl out of?
 
2009-12-26 08:32:51 PM  

SpaceButler: geedavey: I flew El Al a few years ago with my nice little picture postcard family. Why we got pulled aside I don't know, but the nice, pretty, but very serious security agent questioned us for about 15 minutes about Buffalo, our schools, our synagogue, and our associations until she was satisfied. Personally I think we finally dropped a name she knew (in the Jewish world, it's more like two degrees of association than six). But we were happy to see such careful scrutiny, considering the stakes.

In all likelihood, your actual answers were incidental. From what I've read about El Al screening processes, when they do things like that, the real goal is to see how you react to it. If you get a little frustrated, maybe a little scared, that's normal and on you go. If you freak right out, or remain unnaturally calm, they'll start getting suspicious.

Naturally, if you didn't have an answer for a question, that would have been a red flag too. But terrorists will often train for that stuff, so behavior is really what El Al's screeners look at.


Yeah, same goes for border guards.

It's tough to go based on looks. Somebody involved in "martyrdom operations isn't going to dress in "funny clothes" or ask where he can wash his feet... and he's just as likely to be a white-bread "John Smith" type from Southern California, born and bred in a nice family, but who, by whatever circumstances in his life (rebellion, white guilt, impressionable educational experience, etc...) decided to convert to islam.

For whatever reason, converts seem to trend toward extremism (true of any "converts" - see ex-smokers and ex-drinkers). We've already seen quite a few examples of this since 9/11.
 
2009-12-26 08:33:10 PM  

NeedleGuy: from one news link: Dr Mutallab is said to have warned the US authorities about his son's extreme views six months ago. Abdulmutallab was reportedly on a security watch list,

So the US authorities knew about this guy, he was on a security watch list and still was able to fly into the United States with no questions asked.

I guess you don't get much for the trillion dollars our government has spent on the War on TerrorTM these days.


BECAUSE HE GOT ON THE PLANE SOMEPLACE ELSE!!!

I don't know why that seems to be eluding everyone. US authorities can know a guy wants to murder the President; but that's not going to help if the assassin buys a ticket in Nigeria and gets on the plane in Lagos with a layover in Amsterdam. F*ck.
 
2009-12-26 08:33:17 PM  

gamempire: Dingo7734: funsized: medius: traylor: why don't you ban flying?

but then only outlaws will fly

I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me....

/definitely not obscure

The Farmer Astronaut?

Frowns upon your lack of knowledge about the 'verse.

/seriously, the Astronaut Farmer was your guess?
//Fail.


An excellent example of what a flying outlaw might look like!

God, Mal is farking hot. And Zoe. And Inara. And.... OK, yeah, the entire show, but no Reavers plzkthx.
 
2009-12-26 08:34:20 PM  
But when he's pulled out of line every single time, and all the white people cruise through, guess what - you just switched which team he's rooting for.

So he'll switch to the side that will end up making his life even more unbearable, and possibly end up getting him removed from the society that provides him with peaceful, stable, economically advantageous opportunities. Yeah, right. If he has *any* brains at all, he will rat out the troublemakers in order to improve his own opportunities.

Squeeze ALL muslims enough, they will straighten up their own house. Or leave. Either works for me.
 
2009-12-26 08:34:30 PM  

uncletogie: T.M.S.: The only disturbance was a woman who attacked my baby on a flight with a bag of chips. She was cuffed and lead off by the cops. (the woman, not my baby. The cuffs would have probbably been too small anyway)

Ok, I've got to ask....

How old was your baby at the time? What sequence of events led her to attack your baby? How, precisely, does one attack with potato chips?

In short: There's a story there. Don't leave us hangin'...

/I've heard of some weird weapons, but "potato chips" doesn't strike me as such...


The kid was 14 months old. LA to NYC.

A we boarded the woman took one look at the child and loudly began to complain.

The kid fell asleep as we took off (she is like her dad in that respect) and the woman behind us continued to say obnoxious crap about "how dare we take our little piece of shiat on a plane" etc..

An hour into the flight I exited the john and was told by the crew to stay up front as there had been an "incident" and they had to move us to the back of the plane.

Apparently the woman snapped and attacked the kid with a bag of chips. I did not see it happen which was a very good thing for her. My wife and the anon. passenger next to us were in tears.

The captain called the tower and was very interested in landing immediately but decided to wait and see if things escalated. (They were also afraid I was going to attack the woman-something I had no interest in doing)

For the remainder of the flight my kid slept while the woman curled up in the fetal position and screamed endlessly into her lap that it was everyone's fault but hers.

We landed in NYC and the woman was arrested. We were interviewed by the cops for over an hour. Everyone involved said it was the first time they had ever seen anything like it.

I think she is posting in this thread.

Second weirdest thing I ever had happen to me on a Commercial flight.
 
2009-12-26 08:35:20 PM  
As someone who flies into LAX way too much, can someone build a real International airport in Tijuana? My next flight will be to Vancouver if I can find a way to avoid LAX
 
2009-12-26 08:35:44 PM  
from the article
The government was vague about the steps it was taking, saying it wanted the security experience to be "unpredictable" and that passengers would not find the same measures at every airport

m2.wnymedia.net
 
2009-12-26 08:36:00 PM  

funsized: Je5tEr: funsized: Je5tEr: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

Seriously. How long has it been since those idiots crashed a few airliners? Has ANYTHING been built on the towers' site yet? Embarrassing. An entire country hiding under its beds all this time, farking pathetic. I'm farking EMBARRASSED to be an American more and more every single day this crap keeps going on.

Just wait till some group pulls some shiat on a Greyhound or Amtrak, or the DC beltway, then we all might as well be confined to our homes.

Everyone I know in the military (several dozen still serving) thinks all of this is a disgrace.

Well, there was the crazy farker who beheaded the guy sitting next to him on the Greyhound last year then kept trying to eat the ears when the cops were trying to get at him....

Are you farking serious? Link?

I wish I were. Not that I think either Wikipedia or Fox News are definitive sources, but they're the first ones I pulled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tim_McLean , http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,396043,00.html . The teal deer version is: It was in Manitoba--the guy beheaded the passenger next to him, Tim McLean, and then ate various bits of the head. If I recall correctly, he was VERY severely mentally ill. The links for the Wiki citations are a good start.


Yucky. Heaven help us when they start shackeling all flyers who have taken military unarmed combat training or ninjitsu or krav maga etc.
 
2009-12-26 08:36:26 PM  
Fact: Terrorists will use planes to destroy America

Fact: Terrorists are people

Fact: People use planes

Fact: People will use planes to destroy America

Conclusion: Anyone stepping in an airport should be prosecuted for treason.
 
2009-12-26 08:36:47 PM  

T.M.S.: uncletogie: T.M.S.: The only disturbance was a woman who attacked my baby on a flight with a bag of chips. She was cuffed and lead off by the cops. (the woman, not my baby. The cuffs would have probbably been too small anyway)

Ok, I've got to ask....

How old was your baby at the time? What sequence of events led her to attack your baby? How, precisely, does one attack with potato chips?

In short: There's a story there. Don't leave us hangin'...

/I've heard of some weird weapons, but "potato chips" doesn't strike me as such...

The kid was 14 months old. LA to NYC.

A we boarded the woman took one look at the child and loudly began to complain.

The kid fell asleep as we took off (she is like her dad in that respect) and the woman behind us continued to say obnoxious crap about "how dare we take our little piece of shiat on a plane" etc..

An hour into the flight I exited the john and was told by the crew to stay up front as there had been an "incident" and they had to move us to the back of the plane.

Apparently the woman snapped and attacked the kid with a bag of chips. I did not see it happen which was a very good thing for her. My wife and the anon. passenger next to us were in tears.

The captain called the tower and was very interested in landing immediately but decided to wait and see if things escalated. (They were also afraid I was going to attack the woman-something I had no interest in doing)

For the remainder of the flight my kid slept while the woman curled up in the fetal position and screamed endlessly into her lap that it was everyone's fault but hers.

We landed in NYC and the woman was arrested. We were interviewed by the cops for over an hour. Everyone involved said it was the first time they had ever seen anything like it.

I think she is posting in this thread.

Second weirdest thing I ever had happen to me on a Commercial flight.


Jesus, I can't imagine they would've been able to scoop her broken corpse off the ceiling if you had been there to witness that. Seriously, who the hell DOES that?
 
2009-12-26 08:36:49 PM  

DON.MAC: As someone who flies into LAX way too much, can someone build a real International airport in Tijuana? My next flight will be to Vancouver if I can find a way to avoid LAX


Use Burbank airport instead.
 
2009-12-26 08:37:03 PM  
the bomber - affluent, well-educated:

With his wealth, privilege and education at one of Britain's leading universities, Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab had the world at his feet - able to choose from a range of futures in which to make his mark on the world.

Instead, the son of one of Nigeria's most important figures opted to make his impact in a very different way, by strapping explosives to his leg - or even possibly implanting them in his thigh - and attempting to blow up a passenger jet as it came in to land over Detroit airport on Christmas Day. The high explosive was identified last night by the FBI as Pentaerythritol (PETN - a major component of Semtex).
 
2009-12-26 08:37:30 PM  
How about they have special flights for Muslims, maybe once a week or so?
 
2009-12-26 08:37:49 PM  

peachy92: Why doesn't the TSA just gang and bound us and insert butt plugs up our rectums? That would make air travel safe.


I don't know. Would that be extra charge?
 
2009-12-26 08:37:53 PM  
Who cares? It's not like I planned on flying ever again anyhow after the federal security expansion under Bush.

Sure I miss out on a great convenience, but I sidestep an even bigger pain in the ass in the process.
 
2009-12-26 08:38:00 PM  

funsized: gamempire: Dingo7734: funsized: medius: traylor: why don't you ban flying?

but then only outlaws will fly

I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me....

/definitely not obscure

The Farmer Astronaut?

Frowns upon your lack of knowledge about the 'verse.

/seriously, the Astronaut Farmer was your guess?
//Fail.

An excellent example of what a flying outlaw might look like!

God, Mal is farking hot. And Zoe. And Inara. And.... OK, yeah, the entire show, but no Reavers plzkthx.


I was suprised myself at how long it took to get some serious outlaw references going in here.

What other outlaws may look like:

i12.photobucket.com
www.demaagd.com

/hotter than the CMB of the 'verse.
 
2009-12-26 08:38:30 PM  
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

7 days ago I booked a resort in Mexico to get married at. 5 days ago we told the 20 people who we knew we wanted to come (and who we knew could come).
3 days ago all but 6 of them had already made reservations.

Now this shiat. Great. I fly all the time and am willing to deal with stupid shiat. In fact, Im not one to really complain about much. I hate the screaming kids, the evil attendants, the smelly people but I also know that its the fastest way from A to B.

But when I have my carry on bag and my camera backpack.....dont now make me check one. Ugh. If they loose my shiat, im just going to dispute the charges on my credit card for "services not rendered".

/preemptive

i79.photobucket.com
 
2009-12-26 08:38:36 PM  
more:

His father, Umaru, is the former economics minister of Nigeria. He retired earlier this month as the chairman of the First Bank of Nigeria but is still on the boards of several of Nigeria's biggest firms, including Jaiz International, a holding company for the Islamic Bank. The 70-year-old, who was also educated in London, holds the Commander of the Order of the Niger as well as the Italian Order of Merit.
 
2009-12-26 08:38:52 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: WOW. yeah. great idea. let's terrorize average civilians because 0.001% of "Muzzies" as you call them, are extremists.
speaking of extremists, which backwoods bible camp gutter did you crawl out of?


It's a LOT more than 0.001% that are extremists.

The Muslim Brotherhood would like a word with you:

www.davidosler.com

It's certainly not 100%.... it's not 50%, but it's a much larger percentage of extremists than other groups. Worse is that for the sheer number of them, way too many "moderates" are unwilling to silence them and make changes for the better.
 
2009-12-26 08:38:53 PM  

Third_Uncle_Eno: from the article
The government was vague about the steps it was taking, saying it wanted the security experience to be "unpredictable" and that passengers would not find the same measures at every airport


These are the people you trust with the lives of you and those you care about!
Link (new window)
 
2009-12-26 08:39:05 PM  

AntiNorm: T.M.S.: Why is it inconsiderate to take a child on an airplane?

Because of the nonstop WAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

Ignoring all the TSA horse sh*t for a minute, I would pay extra to fly on childless flights. Either shut your crotch dropping up or don't f*cking fly.


Ya know, I've flown quite a bit, and the only time I've been bothered by a kid on a flight was the two kids watching a pokemon dvd without headphones, and I asked the mom to please have them use headphones, and she said they didn't want to. So that was a failure of parenting more than a bratty kid.

I flew to London this summer and sat across the aisle from a militarty wife flying solo with five kids from 8mos to 10 years. They were fantastic the entire flight (O'Hare to Heathrow). I offered to help her off the plane and through security though--she gladly accepted.

I'd rather fly with little kids next to me than some crabby-assed adult.
 
2009-12-26 08:39:12 PM  

T.M.S.: Second weirdest thing I ever had happen to me on a Commercial flight.


Way to leave us hanging!
 
2009-12-26 08:39:21 PM  
Like i needed another reason NOT to visit the USA.
Thanks America - you suck.
 
2009-12-26 08:39:29 PM  
Getting as much of an ironic laugh out of the right wing wharrgarbl as the "WTF happened to common sense?" responses.

Would-be terrorists will keep pulling this shiat as long as Washington keeps jerking its knee in response. How else can one 23-year old idiot jerk around an entire country? The only viable response to this crap is to do nothing - so what if a few nut jobs want to set fire to their shoes and get the shiat beat out of them by other passengers? No one other than the attacker was seriously injured.

9/11 was a huge success for Al-Qaeda, not least because Bush went after Saddam instead of them.


And BTW to the yeehahs - the guy who stopped him wasn't American, probably German judging by the name and accent, but could be Dutch.
 
2009-12-26 08:39:35 PM  

AntiNorm: T.M.S.: Why is it inconsiderate to take a child on an airplane?

Because of the nonstop WAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.



Have you considerd taking medication when you fly?

It might cut down on your non-stop crying.
 
2009-12-26 08:40:11 PM  
The bigger the waste of money a government agency is, the more ridiculous its justifications are for its continued existence. The TSA is a sinkhole of suck and this idiotic rule was the best they could do on short notice. Of course, in the real world, someone determined to blow themselves to bits is not going to give even the teensiest steamed turd about following "the rules."

"Hey Achmed, did you hear the TSA has banned people from getting up during the last hour of a flight?"

"NOW what shall we do? Curse those infidels! They are too clever for us!"
 
2009-12-26 08:41:35 PM  
(I'm using this thread to kill time until I pick my mom up from her flight in from Detroit, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies....)
 
2009-12-26 08:42:43 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: gweilo8888: Reactionary nonsense that will not save a single life or make flying any safer - just increase the frustration and discontent of the traveling public in the name of pretending to "do something".

You know, if I were Osama and I was trying to bring America to a halt, I'd just recruit a few kids to do random terrorist-like things at all the various stages of air travel. Do a nice spread and cover them all:

1. Do something in the nice crowded security line.
2. Do something at the gate.
3. Do something during taxi/takeoff.
4. Do something during the first hour of flight.
5. Do something during the middle of the flight.
6. Do something during the last hour of flight.
7. Do something while landing.
8. Do something at the baggage claim.

Of course, the geniuses in Homeland Security will have to react and place knee-jerk restrictions at each of those stages, grinding all air travel to a halt.



I just heard a TSA moron wet himself with fear, excitement, and confusion when he read your post.
 
2009-12-26 08:42:48 PM  
All the people who will complain don't have the first clue about how to run a security operation and will never have been shot at, or had their lives threatened in any meaningful way.

All the people who run security operations don't give the slightest fark about the feelings of those who complain.

The aim of terrorism is to disrupt your activity.

Mission Accomplished.
 
2009-12-26 08:43:56 PM  
www.westernclippings.com
 
2009-12-26 08:44:49 PM  

zabadu: Use Burbank airport instead.


Burbank is in the US can can't deal with lots of Jumbos. A 5 minute stop over in Mexico before heading to LAX would reduce the expenses by the airlines since they would get to fly by easier rules for most of the flight.
 
2009-12-26 08:46:02 PM  

Meet Us at the Stick: T.M.S.: Second weirdest thing I ever had happen to me on a Commercial flight.

Way to leave us hanging!


New Delhi to NYC.

Quarantined for Pneumonic Plague. Guys in the Andromeda Strain suits, TV news, flight crew locked in the cockpit, the whole bit.
 
2009-12-26 08:46:11 PM  
I can only assume you dolts who get on planes full of crying babies are like you morons who go to theaters full of talking teenagers. I've yet to get on any flight where I was surrounded by shrieking babies, and I've been flying back & forth across the country since I was 5 myself. The worst experiences I ever had was sitting next to huge fat people (two different flights); I'd say that was nominal out of god knows how many times I've flown.

Tip: If you can't handle it, get a prescription for a sleep aid from your doctor and take it about 30 minutes before you fly. You all are just too high-strung to be enclosed in a plane if you have such terrible experiences.
 
2009-12-26 08:46:12 PM  

zabadu: DON.MAC: As someone who flies into LAX way too much, can someone build a real International airport in Tijuana? My next flight will be to Vancouver if I can find a way to avoid LAX

Use Burbank airport instead.


SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
 
2009-12-26 08:47:26 PM  

T.M.S.: Have you considerd taking medication when you fly?

It might cut down on your non-stop crying.


At least my crying doesn't annoy every single person on the goddamned plane. The same cannot be said of your little crotch dropping.
 
2009-12-26 08:47:32 PM  
They should allow Airlines to offer low-security flights, and give you a discount for not needing security screening. No one is going to ever sucsessfully hijack a US airliner again, so the only risk is they blow it up. Only people effected are those who choose low security. You could still screen for guns if you really want to, but no one with a box-cutter is going to get anywhere with it
 
2009-12-26 08:48:07 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I can only assume you dolts who get on planes full of crying babies are like you morons who go to theaters full of talking teenagers.


No one told me that living in a society would bring me into contact with humans and their behavior.
 
2009-12-26 08:48:46 PM  

Gyrfalcon: NeedleGuy: from one news link: Dr Mutallab is said to have warned the US authorities about his son's extreme views six months ago. Abdulmutallab was reportedly on a security watch list,

So the US authorities knew about this guy, he was on a security watch list and still was able to fly into the United States with no questions asked.

I guess you don't get much for the trillion dollars our government has spent on the War on TerrorTM these days.

BECAUSE HE GOT ON THE PLANE SOMEPLACE ELSE!!!

I don't know why that seems to be eluding everyone. US authorities can know a guy wants to murder the President; but that's not going to help if the assassin buys a ticket in Nigeria and gets on the plane in Lagos with a layover in Amsterdam. F*ck


He had a US visa that was good thru 2011.
The US homeland security (or WTF it calls itself these days)
REQUIRES persons from visa waiver countries (UK, etc) register with the US government
Link (new window)

Nobody in the EU WANTS to visit the US.
I'm a US citizen and I don't want to visit. I travel all over for work and visiting the US is the worst
 
2009-12-26 08:48:46 PM  

funsized: (I'm using this thread to kill time until I pick my mom up from her flight in from Detroit, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies....)


Well let me help you kill some more time.

This better world the our Government and the TSA want us to live in...about that...

i50.tinypic.com
 
2009-12-26 08:49:38 PM  
I'm getting sick of this.

It's getting to the point where I'm about ready to swear off commercial airlines for everything but inter-continental travel.

The more of an invasive hassle flying becomes, the more attractive Amtrak becomes as an alternative. No matter how much longer it takes.

You hear that, terrorists? You've won. You've made flying absolutely suck for millions of Americans, and you've made our own government do it to us. Congratulations.
 
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