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(The New York Times)   Flying to suck even harder - new restrictions after Nigerian bomber include not leaving one's seat for the last hour of flight   ( nytimes.com) divider line
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2009-12-26 02:01:39 PM  
Meh - just hand out diapers at the gate and strap everyone down with a padlocked seatbelt
 
2009-12-26 02:37:33 PM  
Let's just start putting everyone in hibernation chambers when we check in.
 
2009-12-26 02:42:40 PM  
Flying sucks enough as it is. My tinfoil hat theory says this whole thing was hatched by the airlines to decrease the number of people flying with them and hence, the number of complaints.

That, and they need some more ways around the upcoming "passenger rights" legislation too.
 
2009-12-26 02:49:59 PM  

CougarJeff: Let's just start putting everyone in hibernation chambers when we check in.


I wouldn't mind that. At least flying would be less annoying. The last flight I went on was 20% babies, 20% bratty little kids, and 30% morbidly obese people taking up two seats even though they only paid for one.
 
2009-12-26 03:12:44 PM  
If you got to pee, don't want until the last minute to head to the loo. Either plan ahead or just whip it out and pee on the seat in front of you.
 
2009-12-26 04:20:46 PM  
Actually, what it means is that anyone who jumps up to stop a plane-burning douchebag in the last hour of flight is in violation of federal law.
 
2009-12-26 04:44:21 PM  

Bucky Katt: If you got to pee, don't want until the last minute to head to the loo. Either plan ahead or just whip it out and pee on the seat in front of you.


Use those little bags they give you.
 
2009-12-26 05:30:35 PM  
Goddamnit. Every time airline security restrictions start getting reasonable, some dumbass lights himself on fire and we're back to square one.
 
2009-12-26 05:32:38 PM  
This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.
 
2009-12-26 05:32:58 PM  
-this is just the beginning. Obamacare will use these rules are a prelude to destroy any chance you might have for life saving surgery

-at least during Mr. Bush's years we were FREE to walk around or go to the washroom in the last hour of the flight.

-the bobmer is really a close relative of Obama and was paid by him to attack America.

-its because Obama is a secret muslin and wants to destroy america that the calls from this bomber-wannabe were ignored...


//does that cover all angles? or i missed something
 
2009-12-26 05:33:46 PM  
Yeah.

THAT will keep us safer.
 
2009-12-26 05:37:35 PM  
my favorite was when they banned all liquids. so, in essence, they were banning a state of matter. what's next? ban all solids? gases? bose-einstein condensates?
 
2009-12-26 05:48:42 PM  

FlashHarry: my favorite was when they banned all liquids. so, in essence, they were banning a state of matter. what's next? ban all solids? gases? bose-einstein condensates?


The "ban on all electronic devices" (not sure if true yet) will be the end of airline travel for anyone not traveling outside of their country of origin (assuming driving or alternate transport is available).

When people can't use their cell phone, blackberry, laptop (with airline provided wireless connectivity) or their kindle, airlines are done. It's one thing to start charging checked bag fees, it's quite another to tell passengers that you get to piss into one of the beverage cups provided 2 hours prior and that you aren't allowed to read anything not in paper form. FFS, are they trying to increase the weight of luggage or carry-on baggage? Some of us read on long flights, are they really going to restrict electronic readers?

It's a good thing a minority of us actually read books anymore.
 
2009-12-26 05:50:34 PM  
Score another victory for the terrorists.
 
2009-12-26 05:51:21 PM  

Kyosuke: Score another victory for the terrorists.


What's pathetic is that some people think you're being sarcastic. You're really, really not. That's exactly what this is.
 
2009-12-26 05:58:41 PM  

7of7: The last flight I went on was 20% babies, 20% bratty little kids, and 30% morbidly obese people taking up two seats even though they only paid for one.


So, mostly Americans?

/sorry, it's a disease
 
zz9
2009-12-26 05:59:38 PM  
I am struggling to think of any single measure that is as easy to get around as this. So a terrorist can't set off his bomb in the last hour? So he sets it off a few minutes earlier. Job done.

This is like saying "He was wearing a blue jacket! Lets ban all blue jackets!"
 
2009-12-26 06:06:37 PM  

snuff3r: So, mostly Americans?


Exactly.
 
2009-12-26 06:11:28 PM  

FlashHarry: my favorite was when they banned all liquids. so, in essence, they were banning a state of matter. what's next? ban all solids? gases? bose-einstein condensates?


I fully support the banning of Bose-Einstein condensates.
 
2009-12-26 06:12:17 PM  
The passengers seem to be better at protecting the plane than the TSA. Just have the stewardesses give people permission to beat the hell out of terrorists during their pre-flight "Here's how to use the seat belt" briefing.
 
2009-12-26 06:14:31 PM  
People move too goddamm much on airplanes as it is.
 
2009-12-26 06:19:03 PM  
Well I guess that means if someone is sitting down attempting to light a bomb, no one can get up and restrain them. Makes sense.
 
2009-12-26 06:30:09 PM  
So at the end of the flight when the child has been doing their best to sit still and be quiet for hours is the perfect time to take away distractions. No snacks, no toys, no books, no movies or iPods. And nothing for the adults who would like to ignore any little ones.

Just great.
 
2009-12-26 06:42:00 PM  
We need to hire even more flunkies to harass screen passengers or maybe just start strapping people down to their seats for the duration of the flight. That'll work. Why always such low-tech measures? Shouldn't the US have the most sophisticated and high-tech security solutions in the world? Like Total recall-style body scanners and security agents who can read and shiat. We can afford that. We're still a rich country, right?
 
2009-12-26 06:56:32 PM  
Why doesn't the TSA just gang and bound us and insert butt plugs up our rectums? That would make air travel safe.
 
2009-12-26 07:02:46 PM  
Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.
 
2009-12-26 07:03:07 PM  

ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.


I have a cross-country flight in 14 hours.
 
2009-12-26 07:05:50 PM  
I'd love to take the train, but I just priced out the cost of going from LA to OH on Amtrak (getting a family bedroom - 3 days is a bit much in only a chair)

~$2000 - one way!!
 
2009-12-26 07:09:19 PM  

DamnYankees: ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.

I have a cross-country flight in 14 hours.


Awesome, I'm flying from Amsterdam to the US next month.
/KLM has already changed my flight
 
2009-12-26 07:13:47 PM  
I have HAD IT with the TSA. Some idiot lights a firecracker, and they implement kneejerk feel-good measures that won't do a goddamned motherf*cking thing to stop someone who really is a terrorist. And on top of that, half of the TSA goons I have encountered (both in airports and here on Fark) are mouth-breathing assholes with God complexes. They think they're Jack Bauer, but they fail to realize that they are glorified mall cops.
 
2009-12-26 07:14:52 PM  
Until all passengers are stripped naked, shackled and chained to their seats, airline travel will never be safe.
 
2009-12-26 07:21:47 PM  
Well, I certainly feel safer now with yet another ACT to the play at the security theater.
 
2009-12-26 07:26:47 PM  
CougarJeff: Let's just start putting everyone in hibernation chambers when we check in.

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If these are my handlers I'm all for it
 
2009-12-26 07:27:43 PM  
I was waiting to hear what they'd do.

My mom's flying home from Detroit today--picking her up in two hours. Curious to hear what she says.
 
2009-12-26 07:28:51 PM  

ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.


Kindly post your itinerary so we can avoid your flight.
 
2009-12-26 07:29:04 PM  

zz9: I am struggling to think of any single measure that is as easy to get around as this. So a terrorist can't set off his bomb in the last hour? So he sets it off a few minutes earlier. Job done.

This is like saying "He was wearing a blue jacket! Lets ban all blue jackets!"


Exactly. I'm sure any potential terrorists are going to go "Well, shiat, I was supposed to set this off in the last hour but I guess that's illegal now. Darn!" They seem to be terribly focused on the legality of their actions, after all.
 
2009-12-26 07:29:45 PM  
So this uberschmuck had a powder substance taped to his legs, and used a syringe of fluid to try to ignite it. So how in the holy heck does not getting up during the last hour, or not having anything on your lap help matters at all?!?!?!

As someone who has no choice but to fly 3-4 times a year for training/business, this is going to suck horribly!
 
2009-12-26 07:29:45 PM  
Wow, what a reasonable and well thought out reaction.
 
2009-12-26 07:29:49 PM  
A young Muslim male attempted to set off an incendiary device. Obviously, then, we must tell your white grandmother to stay in her frakking seat and pee her pants if she can't hold it.
Cause, you know, profiling is, like, wrong.
Frak you, Janet Napolitano, and the inbred, leprous horse you rode in on. It's your job to keep the motherfrakking terrorists OFF the motherfrakking plane, and you failed. The passengers saved their own arses, and you respond by PENALIZING THE PASSENGERS! You are a frakking idiot, and your president has failed to change ANYTHING.

Why don't you take a lesson from El Al, who have not experienced a hijacking since 23 July 1968.

Oh, that's right. They aren't politically correct. You frakking moron.
 
2009-12-26 07:30:00 PM  

ultraholland: CougarJeff: Let's just start putting everyone in hibernation chambers when we check in.

If these are my handlers I'm all for it


BBBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT. I'd let her handle me but not Ruby... never Ruby Rod.
 
2009-12-26 07:30:01 PM  

ultraholland: If these are my handlers I'm all for it


You just like the ones that cream themselves when you talk to 'em.

/Super-green!
 
2009-12-26 07:30:29 PM  
So air travel is free now? I mean we pay for this bullshiat?

The only people flying in the future will be masochists.

I know I primarily use overland travel, if this keeps up if transatlantic flights become a necessity I'll drive into Mexico and depart from there. fark the USA's homeland security nonsense.
 
2009-12-26 07:31:17 PM  
illegal to get up within the final hour.... mmmm Why don't they just make it illegal to try to terrorize a plane? Making a rule against it will stop the terrorists, right?
 
rpm
2009-12-26 07:32:30 PM  

funsized: Exactly. I'm sure any potential terrorists are going to go "Well, shiat, I was supposed to set this off in the last hour but I guess that's illegal now. Darn!" They seem to be terribly focused on the legality of their actions, after all.


And it's easy to get around. Take exlax before the flight. Crap your pants. They'll *send* you to the bathroom, last hour or not.
 
2009-12-26 07:33:51 PM  
Absolutely freakin' retarded...

Hey I have an idea, let's let the gov't control our health care too!

Thanks, Empty Suit supporters.
 
2009-12-26 07:34:26 PM  

MRIman: illegal to get up within the final hour.


God forbid your plane gets put into a holding pattern... or diverted because of weather... Now it becomes illegal to get up within the final 3 hours...
 
2009-12-26 07:35:19 PM  

CougarJeff: Bucky Katt: If you got to pee, don't want until the last minute to head to the loo. Either plan ahead or just whip it out and pee on the seat in front of you.

Use those little bags they give you.


I was on a domestic flight with my daughter who really needed to pee, and the stewardess (am I allowed to call them that?) told me that she couldn't give me permission to take my daughter to the lav. (But it was clear she meant that I should take my daughter to the lav.)

I don't know how many laws we broke, or what would have happened on an i11l flight.
 
2009-12-26 07:35:31 PM  

Hau Ruck: It's a good thing a minority of us actually read books anymore.


This sentence makes me cry even in context.
 
2009-12-26 07:35:49 PM  
Note to suicide bombers on planes: blow shiat up more than 1 hour before landing.

What a stupid farking rule.
 
2009-12-26 07:36:26 PM  

DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.


THIS.

Start strip-searching the brown-skin guys with beards. They're the ones responsible. That's not racism, that's simple statistics. (Muslim male, 17-40 years old, we've all seen that e-mail by now) But our leaders won't come out and say it. Cowards.
 
MIU
2009-12-26 07:36:28 PM  

Hau Ruck: When people can't use their cell phone, blackberry, laptop (with airline provided wireless connectivity) or their kindle, airlines are done. It's one thing to start charging checked bag fees, it's quite another to tell passengers that you get to piss into one of the beverage cups provided 2 hours prior and that you aren't allowed to read anything not in paper form. FFS, are they trying to increase the weight of luggage or carry-on baggage? Some of us read on long flights, are they really going to restrict electronic readers?


How the fark else am I going to make a business trip from Toronto to Sunnyvale, CA?

Airlines will do just fine because many of us don't have a choice. (Yet.)

I can haz high-speed rail?
 
2009-12-26 07:36:29 PM  
Say it isn't so... ANOTHER MUSLIM trying to attack America?


but but but but I thought they were PEACEFUL?
 
2009-12-26 07:36:43 PM  

Snarfangel: The passengers seem to be better at protecting the plane than the TSA. Just have the stewardesses give people permission to beat the hell out of terrorists during their pre-flight "Here's how to use the seat belt" briefing.


Beating someone with those seatbelts definitely would work. The flight attendants could even demonstrate some locks and holds!

rpm: funsized: Exactly. I'm sure any potential terrorists are going to go "Well, shiat, I was supposed to set this off in the last hour but I guess that's illegal now. Darn!" They seem to be terribly focused on the legality of their actions, after all.

And it's easy to get around. Take exlax before the flight. Crap your pants. They'll *send* you to the bathroom, last hour or not.


There have definitely been some shiats I've smelled on planes that should've been considered terrorism.

Seriously, though, it's just a matter of time. Put the incendiary substance in a plastic bag, put it up your ass or just swallow it, mule-style, and then crap it out partway through the flight. Voila! Not like it's hard to figure out. There's no number of measures that can absolutely prevent passengers from being able to perform acts of terrorism on a plane, short of there simply being no passengers, which is certainly what the TSA seems to be driving for at this rate.

/would work for getting more shampoo in too
//depending on how big your ass is
 
2009-12-26 07:37:08 PM  

peachy92: Why doesn't the TSA just gang and bound us and insert butt plugs up our rectums? That would make air travel safe.


May not make air travel safer, but it would make it more exciting.
 
2009-12-26 07:37:21 PM  

logicalman: Absolutely freakin' retarded...

Hey I have an idea, let's let the gov't control our health care too!

Thanks, Empty Suit supporters.


I like it. This is a good twist on a classic.
 
2009-12-26 07:37:26 PM  
Unbelievable.

I voted for Obama to stop this idiocy, not continue it.

/For your Freepers about to say it: this would have happened under a McCain admin too.
//I don't regret voting Obama (the alternative was Caribou Barbie), just wish he had a bigger spine to say "this is farking ridiculous" and cancel the TSA.
 
2009-12-26 07:37:56 PM  
What's the big deal about the last hour of the flight?

The only critical windows are taking off and landing, and they already order you to sit by lighting the seatbelt sign.

/The terrorists are winning.
 
2009-12-26 07:38:16 PM  

SapperInTexas: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

THIS.

Start strip-searching the brown-skin guys with beards. They're the ones responsible. That's not racism, that's simple statistics. (Muslim male, 17-40 years old, we've all seen that e-mail by now) But our leaders won't come out and say it. Cowards.


Oh god. You're a farking idiot also. Please don't associate yourself with my comment.
 
2009-12-26 07:38:25 PM  

Snarfangel: The passengers seem to be better at protecting the plane than the TSA. Just have the stewardesses give people permission to beat the hell out of terrorists during their pre-flight "Here's how to use the seat belt" briefing.


I totally read that as "Here's how to use the seat belt to beat the hell out of terrorists". Newsletter, subscribe, illustrated version please.
 
2009-12-26 07:39:03 PM  
So, what prize does the farker get who Boobiess the news article where someone is fined, banned and/or arrested for whizzing (or worse) in their seat, floor, seat(s) in front of them because they were not allowed up??
 
2009-12-26 07:39:19 PM  
On the positive side, this should mean that I never again have to attend a conference in the US. Because there won't be any. On the negative side, flying to Europe is bloody expensive.
 
2009-12-26 07:39:25 PM  
If the goal in all this is to make me hate the people responsible for this extra stupidity, it's working.
 
2009-12-26 07:39:40 PM  

peachy92: Why doesn't the TSA just gang and bound us and insert butt plugs up our rectums? That would make air travel safe.


..and even twice as enticing. Not to mention just plane naughty.
 
2009-12-26 07:39:57 PM  
This makes no sense at all. Making a bunch of old people piss in their seats, for what? If someone gets up anyways, what do you think is going to happen? The flight attendant will be asking nicely for them to sit down. If that person is a terrorist they just ignore it anyways.
 
2009-12-26 07:40:16 PM  

SapperInTexas: Start strip-searching the brown-skin guys with beards. They're the ones responsible. That's not racism, that's simple statistics. (Muslim male, 17-40 years old, we've all seen that e-mail by now) But our leaders won't come out and say it. Cowards.


Congratulations! You win the "Dumbest Comment of the Day" award.

\now all I have left is the Fickle Finger of Fate award.
 
2009-12-26 07:40:22 PM  
It's stupid and I hate it. On the flip side, when people start screaming loud enough, they'll back off. It's only so they can seem to be doing *something*.
 
2009-12-26 07:40:44 PM  

phrawgh: peachy92: Why doesn't the TSA just gang and bound us and insert butt plugs up our rectums? That would make air travel safe.

..and even twice as enticing. Not to mention just plane naughty.


They could even be plane-shaped! The wings could be the flared base so it doesn't get sucked in.
 
2009-12-26 07:41:50 PM  
And still everybody dances around the actual problem:

MUSLIMS ON AIRPLANES!

Shrinkwrap the bastards before loading them on the plane. Profile and search them from their toenails to last follicle on their farking heads!

I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.

What's it going to take for people to come to their senses?

If guys wearing clown noses were running around in the street shooting people, how long would it take for the police to start grabbing and searching anybody wearing a clown nose in public? Not very long. Why, why, why won't we do the obvious farking thing and search Muslims? How many innocent people have to be butchered before we do this?
 
2009-12-26 07:42:02 PM  
I'll wait for the first person with irritable bowel syndrome or Crohn's to take a dump in their seat, and then sue over the humiliation. And the rest of the passengers can sue for suffering.
 
2009-12-26 07:42:26 PM  
He was trying to light the powder in his pants. I'm surprised they didn't ban pants.

/THANKS A LOT ASSHATS
 
2009-12-26 07:42:37 PM  
I just don't fly nowadays. I won't deliver myself into the mercy of mouth-breathing, minimum-wage spastics with guns.
 
2009-12-26 07:42:44 PM  

mark12A: I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.


They are also all men. Should we do the same thing with all males?
 
2009-12-26 07:43:14 PM  
I thought this was a joke when I heard it on the radio today. Really?
 
2009-12-26 07:43:20 PM  

SapperInTexas: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

THIS.

Start strip-searching the brown-skin guys with beards. They're the ones responsible. That's not racism, that's simple statistics. (Muslim male, 17-40 years old, we've all seen that e-mail by now) But our leaders won't come out and say it. Cowards.


Correlation != causation.

Besides, BAM, problem solved. Foundation and shaving. The only way to literally screen in a way to effectively do this is to strip- and cavity-search all terrorists getting on the plan. Problem is, there is no ACTUAL way to identify terrorists preemptively unless they've committed prior acts. "Brown-skin guys with beards" isn't sufficient, they'll just send white or beardless or female ones instead.
 
2009-12-26 07:43:21 PM  

skippy.fluff: Snarfangel: The passengers seem to be better at protecting the plane than the TSA. Just have the stewardesses give people permission to beat the hell out of terrorists during their pre-flight "Here's how to use the seat belt" briefing.

I totally read that as "Here's how to use the seat belt to beat the hell out of terrorists". Newsletter, subscribe, illustrated version please.


I like it. Me too.

/Seatbelts, please
 
2009-12-26 07:43:22 PM  
As people have already stated, the next attacker will just perform the attack before the 1 hour limit, all this does is to piss of people flying even more. Besides, the next big attack won't be made using an airplane. It's easier to get into Canada or Mexico(or any country south of Mexico) then into the US. From there you can walk or drive or use a boat. Buy or steal loads of fertilizer and diesel and start blowing up Walmart stores, sport venues etc.
And a few months after that people will be forced to shop at Walmart and watch sports naked.....


/Hello to the friendly guys from NSA
 
2009-12-26 07:43:31 PM  
[image from brawlsnapshots.com too old to be available]
 
2009-12-26 07:43:42 PM  

stjohn: Actually, what it means is that anyone who jumps up to stop a plane-burning douchebag in the last hour of flight is in violation of federal law.


THIS.
 
2009-12-26 07:43:47 PM  
This is an outrage! We should boycott all Nigerian goods!
 
2009-12-26 07:44:03 PM  
They had a similar requirement for flights into and out of National Airport for a while, except it was a half hour, not an hour. It wasn't that big of a deal to me, but I hardly ever get out of my seat anyway. But you could have personal items with you then - if they take my books or mp3 player away from me, they'd better provide extra drink service.
 
2009-12-26 07:44:10 PM  
I've reduced my air travel to once per year, because of such suckage.
 
2009-12-26 07:44:32 PM  
Here's a two-step solution.

1. Give workers more vacation time so they have other alternatives to flying.

2. Give workers other alternatives to flying.

/also, people should consider that just because they can fly half way round the world doesn't mean they should. take a look at recent photos of Everest.
 
2009-12-26 07:44:39 PM  

DamnYankees: mark12A: I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.

They are also all men. Should we do the same thing with all males?


They are training women to be suicide bombers now.
 
2009-12-26 07:44:42 PM  

mark12A: And still everybody dances around the actual problem:

MUSLIMS ON AIRPLANES!

Shrinkwrap the bastards before loading them on the plane. Profile and search them from their toenails to last follicle on their farking heads!

I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.

What's it going to take for people to come to their senses?

If guys wearing clown noses were running around in the street shooting people, how long would it take for the police to start grabbing and searching anybody wearing a clown nose in public? Not very long. Why, why, why won't we do the obvious farking thing and search Muslims? How many innocent people have to be butchered before we do this?


Couldn't a Muslim person just, uh, say they weren't Muslim? Or is there a blood test or something now?

/not that I don't agree
 
2009-12-26 07:44:43 PM  
this kinda shiat it why I don't fly unless there is an ocean between me and where I'm going.
 
x23
2009-12-26 07:45:02 PM  

ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.


i really wish inconsiderate pricks like you would take a hint and NOT FLY. literally no one cares about your precious cherub. drive. have the grandparents visit YOU. for the love of god... just stay off the GD plane.

believe it or not... your 23-month old has no important business to tend to across the country. somehow we managed to survive as a society before the days of commodity air travel.
 
2009-12-26 07:45:03 PM  
i really love flying in airplanes,but really,to me,if i need to take a commercial flight to get somewhere anymore,its just not worth it. havent flown since 2002,the goon squads were enough for me to just say no to anymore future flying. if i can hop on someones private plane,ill gladly go but no more commercial flights for me if its at all possible for me to get there on the ground. might cost me a couple days on both ends of a trip,but id rather drive then put up with this madness. of course,im old and remember times when you could just go to the airport and buy a ticket and get on a plane and go somewhere without spending hours clearing security. think im gonna buy a landyacht and terrorize the highways instead.
 
2009-12-26 07:45:21 PM  
Until they clear all people actually LOADING THE AIRCRAFT or working as mechanics on the aircraft, there's no way to ensure safety.
 
2009-12-26 07:45:30 PM  
Well that makes my job hunt easier. I will only look for 0% travel.
 
2009-12-26 07:45:55 PM  

Quel: This makes no sense at all. Making a bunch of old people piss in their seats, for what? If someone gets up anyways, what do you think is going to happen? The flight attendant will be asking nicely for them to sit down. If that person is a terrorist they just ignore it anyways.


Nice illustration. It's just like "banning" handguns in a city...let's say in Washington, D.C.....because the bad guys will follow the "ban" and not use handguns to kill people, right?

I fly a lot, and I can tell you that there are a LOT of grannies and frail freaks who are working as stewardesses, and just about ANY terrorist would be able to overpower all of THEM anyway.
 
2009-12-26 07:46:10 PM  

mark12A: And still everybody dances around the actual problem:

MUSLIMS ON AIRPLANES!

Shrinkwrap the bastards before loading them on the plane. Profile and search them from their toenails to last follicle on their farking heads!

I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.

What's it going to take for people to come to their senses?

If guys wearing clown noses were running around in the street shooting people, how long would it take for the police to start grabbing and searching anybody wearing a clown nose in public? Not very long. Why, why, why won't we do the obvious farking thing and search Muslims? How many innocent people have to be butchered before we do this?


FUNDAMENTALIST and EXTREMIST Muslims are the problem, not Muslims themselves. There is no super ultra magical tenet of Islam that make people crazy, but there are super ultra crazy people who use fundamentalist Islam as a convenient cover and excuse for the beliefs they force and surround others with.

If we're using that logic, we shouldn't let any veterans into buildings because of what McVeigh did, and I would hope that anyone would see how farking stupid that is.
 
2009-12-26 07:46:16 PM  

AbbeySomeone: DamnYankees: mark12A: I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.

They are also all men. Should we do the same thing with all males?

They are training women to be suicide bombers now.


How terrifying.
 
2009-12-26 07:46:40 PM  
I almost never fly anywhere, so this will not effect me too much. That being said, I'm thinking about booking a flight soon. Before I get on, I'm going to shove a road flare or something up my ass and then try to light it on the plane. I have no desire to actually harm the plane (I don't really want to die), but the end result would be hilarious. Cavity searches for everyone!! I'll be laughing at you frequent fliers from my jail cell.
 
2009-12-26 07:46:49 PM  
"Nigerian bomber"

Yeah, noting that he's Nigerian is far more relevant than the ties to Al Queda or Islam.
 
2009-12-26 07:46:57 PM  
On one flight, from Newark Airport, flight attendants kept cabin lights on for the entire trip instead of dimming them for takeoff and landing.

Ahh there is a REAL safety reason they do this and it has nothing to do with terrorists or hijackers. Nice to see safety take a seat behind TSA BS
 
2009-12-26 07:47:21 PM  

mark12A: And still everybody dances around the actual problem:

MUSLIMS BROWN PEOPLE ON AIRPLANES!


Fixed it for ya, you racist ass.
 
2009-12-26 07:47:24 PM  
Two words: Anal Bomber.


\The horror of security would be horrific!
 
2009-12-26 07:47:50 PM  

mark12A: And still everybody dances around the actual problem:

MUSLIMS ON AIRPLANES!

Shrinkwrap the bastards before loading them on the plane. Profile and search them from their toenails to last follicle on their farking heads!

I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.

What's it going to take for people to come to their senses?

If guys wearing clown noses were running around in the street shooting people, how long would it take for the police to start grabbing and searching anybody wearing a clown nose in public? Not very long. Why, why, why won't we do the obvious farking thing and search Muslims? How many innocent people have to be butchered before we do this?


Not to mention there's some magical litmus paper that will turn orange when you put it on a Muslim.
 
2009-12-26 07:47:52 PM  

studebaker hoch: What's the big deal about the last hour of the flight?

The only critical windows are taking off and landing, and they already order you to sit by lighting the seatbelt sign.

/The terrorists are winning.


basically,i see this as a kneejerk reaction to this single instance.
wont make one bit of difference other then to make someone able to say well,we did something to prevent this didnt we.
 
2009-12-26 07:48:09 PM  

zz9: I am struggling to think of any single measure that is as easy to get around as this. So a terrorist can't set off his bomb in the last hour? So he sets it off a few minutes earlier. Job done.


because one idiot decided to do it within that (arbitrary) timeframe, that means it is a clear and present danger.

Just like how one idiot tried to mix liquids and suddenly, all liquids are bad.

They ignore that, in all cases since 9/11/2001:
a) all of these attacks have failed
b) the countless flights where people had hand lotion or drinks or went to the bathroom with no incident

and most importantly, the true terrorists will find a way around any and all retarded rule that they come up with, which does nothing more than inconvenience and punish innocent travelers (the vast, vast majority.)
 
2009-12-26 07:48:16 PM  
This is stupid in that there's nothing magical about the last hour of a flight. If an asshole wants to blow up a plane, he can do it just as easily at takeoff or at an hour and fifteen minutes before landing.

I'm afraid we are going to have to start profiling people like El Al Airlines does. The world sucks.
 
2009-12-26 07:49:13 PM  

mark12A: And still everybody dances around the actual problem:

MUSLIMS ON AIRPLANES!

Shrinkwrap the bastards before loading them on the plane. Profile and search them from their toenails to last follicle on their farking heads!

I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.

What's it going to take for people to come to their senses?

If guys wearing clown noses were running around in the street shooting people, how long would it take for the police to start grabbing and searching anybody wearing a clown nose in public? Not very long. Why, why, why won't we do the obvious farking thing and search Muslims? How many innocent people have to be butchered before we do this?


Racial profiling doesn't work. Google Ann Marie Murphy.

It's a true story. She was the girlfriend of a nice Arab guy. She had no idea he wanted to blow up a jet. He went to Ireland with the purpose of seducing a white, Christian Irish woman to carry a bomb in HER luggage. He even got her pregnant to perfect the plan.

He stuck the bomb into her luggage and dropped her off at the airport. Figured security wouldn't suspect a pregnant Irish woman of having a bomb. Luckily she was carefully screened and the bomb was defused.

Muslims on a jihad are willing to kill their own unborn children and their loved ones just to murder infidels and would gladly do so to bypass racial profiling weaknesses.
 
2009-12-26 07:49:21 PM  

funsized: FUNDAMENTALIST and EXTREMIST Muslims "people of all faith" are the problem, not Muslims themselves.


Now more accurate.
 
2009-12-26 07:49:33 PM  
Actually, wait--I've solved it!

I finally figured it out.

Every terrorist is a human, right? SO JUST DON'T ALLOW ANY farkING HUMANS ON THE farkING AIRPLANES. Problem solved! Why stop at Muslims? I've heard that some of them can be white, too, or even come from SPAIN, so let's just not allow ANYONE on the planes! THERE WE GO PROBLEM SOLVED WHOO.
 
2009-12-26 07:49:36 PM  

blacksho89: Frak this and frak that...


Ok, seriously.... Battlestar Galactica looked like a cool show. But the whole "frak" thing was retarded. It doesn't make up for their inability to really swear. It just makes them all sound like re-god-damn-diculous idiots. It's dumb as hell!

If you can't swear then don't or bleep it out. Use the lazy trick that cable has been using for years: "Fuc*beep*"

Frak sounds dumb. You sound dumb for using it. The show was dumb because of it.

/the end.
//I win.
///thread-jack over.
 
2009-12-26 07:50:42 PM  

x23: ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.

i really wish inconsiderate pricks like you would take a hint and NOT FLY. literally no one cares about your precious cherub. drive. have the grandparents visit YOU. for the love of god... just stay off the GD plane.

believe it or not... your 23-month old has no important business to tend to across the country. somehow we managed to survive as a society before the days of commodity air travel.


I can't tell if your're serious or not. But if you are, well, I'm sure I'd much prefer sitting near the kid than sitting near you.
 
2009-12-26 07:51:00 PM  

Honest Bender: Ok, seriously.... Battlestar Galactica looked like a cool show. But the whole "frak" thing was retarded. It doesn't make up for their inability to really swear. It just makes them all sound like re-god-damn-diculous idiots. It's dumb as hell!

If you can't swear then don't or bleep it out. Use the lazy trick that cable has been using for years: "Fuc*beep*"

Frak sounds dumb. You sound dumb for using it. The show was dumb because of it.


You've got sand in your bajingo, don't you.
 
2009-12-26 07:51:04 PM  

SapperInTexas: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

THIS.

Start strip-searching the brown-skin guys with beards. They're the ones responsible. That's not racism, that's simple statistics. (Muslim male, 17-40 years old, we've all seen that e-mail by now) But our leaders won't come out and say it. Cowards.



While in theory that works just great, in practice it doesn't. As an example look at what happened with pulling over young black male drivers because they are more likely to have committed a crime. After a while, a lot of the law abiding blacks said f*ck it, and decided that the police are now their enemy. Similarly, after young Sayid has been rectally probed for the seventh time in a given year, he's probably less likely to consider his cousin's large purchases of ammonium nitrate as something that should be reported.

TSA and the Feds are smart on that account. They know that once the general Muslim population has turned against them, they're done. Intel is the most effective weapon in this war.

You think things are bad now, wait until "Flying while Arab" becomes the new "Driving while Black".
 
2009-12-26 07:51:10 PM  

Kyosuke: funsized: FUNDAMENTALIST and EXTREMIST Muslims "people of all faith" are the problem, not Muslims themselves.

Now more accurate.


Absolutely. Given that the OP in this case specified Muslims, though, I ran with it.

Actually, we don't even need "people of faith" in there. Fundamentalists and extremists that adhere to any certain dogma, religious or not, are going to be an issue. Intolerance just doesn't play well with others.
 
2009-12-26 07:51:19 PM  

funsized: McVeigh


His greatest achievement is being the one guy anyone ever lists to say "look it's not just Muslims."

But McVeigh never went after an airplane. The only non-islamic hijackers I can think of are... well... ... um... DB Cooper.
 
2009-12-26 07:51:36 PM  

Befuddled: I'm afraid we are going to have to start profiling people like El Al Airlines does.


I see the righties have their talking points already, since I've been seeing this multiple times.

Profiling is not what makes El Al successful. And you're naive to think we're currently NOT profiling - it's just not official.

When something like this happens, you righties prefer to advance your political agenda, rather than address the problem.
 
2009-12-26 07:51:38 PM  
This is why we need a Jimmy Dean Airline!
 
2009-12-26 07:52:23 PM  
can we now please get bomb-sniffing dogs at the airport security check and be done with putting-up with this incompetent, overdone travesty that is the TSA?
 
2009-12-26 07:52:25 PM  

Mors: But McVeigh never went after an airplane. The only non-islamic hijackers I can think of are... well... ... um... DB Cooper.


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2009-12-26 07:52:26 PM  

Mors: The only non-islamic hijackers I can think of are... well... ... um... DB Cooper.


And all those Cuban terrorists. And Irish.
 
2009-12-26 07:52:42 PM  

x23: ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.

i really wish inconsiderate pricks like you would take a hint and NOT FLY. literally no one cares about your precious cherub. drive. have the grandparents visit YOU. for the love of god... just stay off the GD plane.

believe it or not... your 23-month old has no important business to tend to across the country. somehow we managed to survive as a society before the days of commodity air travel.


Why is it inconsiderate to take a child on an airplane?
 
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2009-12-26 07:52:50 PM  
I've said it before, I'll say it again: Make everybody fly naked. BONUS: The eye-bleach companys will increase sales.
 
2009-12-26 07:53:01 PM  

DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.


Give me liberty or give me death but only if it's safe!
 
2009-12-26 07:53:09 PM  
stupid stupid stupid
 
2009-12-26 07:53:15 PM  
penthesilea [TotalFark] Quote 2009-12-26 06:30:09 PM
So at the end of the flight when the child has been doing their best to sit still and be quiet for hours is the perfect time to take away distractions. No snacks, no toys, no books, no movies or iPods. And nothing for the adults who would like to ignore any little ones.

Just great.farkING THIS. I fly in four days with two kids and now you're telling me they have to sit still and be quiet, no toys, no books, no games, no nothing. Yeah. That's gonna work out farkING PERFECTLY!! GODDAMN MUTHERFARKING ASSHOLES!!! I could go on but I won't. I'll just keep it inside.

/hate being the mom with the whiny kid and was gonna do my DAMNED LEVEL BEST to make sure that didn't happen.
 
2009-12-26 07:53:25 PM  

T.M.S.: Why is it inconsiderate to take a child on an airplane?


Because x23 is a misanthropic, self-involved fark.
 
2009-12-26 07:53:29 PM  
Step 1. Charge for checked luggage.
Step 2. Restrict access to carry-ons.
Step 3. Disallow carry-ons.
Step 4. Profit.
 
2009-12-26 07:53:32 PM  
Question... why does anyone even fly domestic anymore? My last flight was almost a full year ago now and frankly I think that it will be my last ever. If I need to get across the entire US I'll just drive thanks.
 
2009-12-26 07:53:52 PM  

Airfoilsguy: On one flight, from Newark Airport, flight attendants kept cabin lights on for the entire trip instead of dimming them for takeoff and landing.

Ahh there is a REAL safety reason they do this and it has nothing to do with terrorists or hijackers. Nice to see safety take a seat behind TSA BS


Curious. Whats the safety reason?
 
2009-12-26 07:54:13 PM  
As an airline pilot, my concern is not with those onboard the plane. This flight shows exactly what would happen if another hijacking is attempted. My concern is with those that have access to the plane while its still on the groud. Every day, thousand of airport workers (shop employees, cleaners, rampers, etc.) are allowed to bypass TSA and get inside security through their own entrance without any screening precautions whatsoever. These people can bring anything inside the secured area and potentionaly plant something on a plane without so much as a metal detector stopping them.

/ jealous pilot that has to go through the Tub Stacking Association line just like everyone else.
 
2009-12-26 07:54:31 PM  
Really royally pissed, especially since this had to happen right before I go on a transatlantic trip. Jerks.
 
2009-12-26 07:54:37 PM  

x23: ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.

i really wish inconsiderate pricks like you would take a hint and NOT FLY. literally no one cares about your precious cherub. drive. have the grandparents visit YOU. for the love of god... just stay off the GD plane.

believe it or not... your 23-month old has no important business to tend to across the country. somehow we managed to survive as a society before the days of commodity air travel.


Because God only knows that there are certainly no circumstances where a child has to fly--certainly relatives that live internationally are never ill, and parents never take jobs too far away to drive to, and people never move cross-country!
 
2009-12-26 07:54:46 PM  
Annnnd... once again, terrorists SUCCESSFULLY use one person to change the way of life in the Land of the Free* and the Home of the Brave**.


* Offer applies in limited areas only
** American brand Brave, no bearing on actual bravery
 
2009-12-26 07:54:57 PM  

stjohn: Actually, what it means is that anyone who jumps up to stop a plane-burning douchebag in the last hour of flight is in violation of federal law.


Don't worry, you just sit back and obey the law. I'm sure there is no way that getting up to stop a terrorist attack would be overlooked. Tool.
 
2009-12-26 07:55:12 PM  

trouzourt: -this is just the beginning. Obamacare will use these rules are a prelude to destroy any chance you might have for life saving surgery

-at least during Mr. Bush's years we were FREE to walk around or go to the washroom in the last hour of the flight.

-the bobmer is really a close relative of Obama and was paid by him to attack America.


-its because Obama is a secret muslin and wants to destroy america that the calls from this bomber-wannabe were ignored...


//does that cover all angles? or i missed something



You forgot to say unfavorable things about Jesus and homosexuals. 4.5/10.
 
2009-12-26 07:55:27 PM  

beoswulf: "Nigerian bomber"

Yeah, noting that he's Nigerian is far more relevant than the ties to Al Queda or Islam.


It was a safe bet, we already hate the Nigerians for other reasons and his father was a banker.
 
2009-12-26 07:55:37 PM  

funsized: I've heard that some of them can be white, too, or even come from SPAIN...


There are no Moriscos in Espana.
 
2009-12-26 07:55:57 PM  
this should put at least one carrier out of business by March. What a hassle...i don't know why anyone travels on a plan in the lower 48 states. Rent a car, take a train or any combination of the two and you will only add a little time to your trip and avoid interminable hassle and loss of dignity.
 
2009-12-26 07:56:08 PM  

ZeroPly: TSA and the Feds are smart on that account. They know that once the general Muslim population has turned against them, they're done. Intel is the most effective weapon in this war.

You think things are bad now, wait until "Flying while Arab" becomes the new "Driving while Black".


That's true, America's Muslim population is the most liberal in the world. No more than 25% of young American Muslims support suicide bombings (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-eteraz/us-muslims-and-suicide-bo_b​_4​9286.htm l (new window))compared to radically high numbers of European Muslims that have a level of support for terrorism rivaling any Middle Eastern nation.

That's no surprise considering that in the USA, Muslims are better educated and wealthier than the average America, satisfying the traditional Muslim goal of dominating the non-Muslim population, while in Europe Muslims are treated as second class citizens and ghettoized.
 
2009-12-26 07:56:16 PM  
And the moment someone is arrested because they'd rather run to the restroom on the plane instead of pissing their pants, this shiat will end.

No, it won't end that day. There will be debates, "Why didn't he hold it, he knew the law and still broke it, punish him accordingly." and "This law is made to prevent the plane from being blown up, what risk was the plane in by not letting a 40 y.o. business man from Berkley go to the farking restroom?"

Someone in this thread already pointed out the solution, that farker said that the passengers are doing a better job keeping the planes safe than the TSA has been. I say we disband the TSA and arm the passengers. Nutjob tries to light some chemicals to blow up the plane, five passengers shoot to kill that person. Sounds like a solution to me. Now we'll have to use a gun and round that will kill (or at least wound) and not penetrate the windows or hull. Lethal might be bad if they miss and kill someone innocent, but non-lethal means a trial and tax payer money for the trial and to keep him alive in prison.
 
2009-12-26 07:56:25 PM  
So, what, are planes explosion-proof up until an hour before landing? This is moronic.
 
2009-12-26 07:56:36 PM  

prgrmr: can we now please get bomb-sniffing dogs at the airport security check and be done with putting-up with this incompetent, overdone travesty that is the TSA?


THIS. They're not 100% by any means, but a dog won't give a shiat if it smells the incendiaries on a sweet little pregnant woman or if that "brown-skinned Muslim guy" is looking suspicious but smells clean.
 
2009-12-26 07:56:36 PM  

Jester41K: Tub Stacking Association


Heh. Nice.
 
2009-12-26 07:56:45 PM  

asmodeus224: this should put at least one carrier out of business by March. What a hassle...i don't know why anyone travels on a plan in the lower 48 states. Rent a car, take a train or any combination of the two and you will only add a little time to your trip and avoid interminable hassle and loss of dignity.


There's no other practical way to go from NY to CA, sadly.
 
2009-12-26 07:56:58 PM  

funsized: Because God only knows that there are certainly no circumstances where a child has to fly-


No, there are none. You don't get to invade everybody's personal space because you have a child screaming, kicking, and running up and down the aisles.
 
2009-12-26 07:57:05 PM  

moops: When something like this happens, you righties prefer to advance your political agenda, rather than address the problem.


I am not a rightie, and exactly how do we address this problem?
 
2009-12-26 07:57:36 PM  

unlikely: Annnnd... once again, terrorists SUCCESSFULLY use one person to change the way of life in the Land of the Free* and the Home of the Brave**.


* Offer applies in limited areas only
** American brand Brave, no bearing on actual bravery


This, basically.
 
2009-12-26 07:57:45 PM  

trouzourt: -its because Obama is a secret muslin and wants to destroy america that the calls from this bomber-wannabe were ignored...


Secret muslin sounds really itchy and pretty impractical. Besides, most suits aren't made out of that, and even if his suits were, they wouldn't be very secret--who wears suits around at home?
 
2009-12-26 07:58:20 PM  

Jarhead_h: Question... why does anyone even fly domestic anymore?


Because we do it a lot. A really, really lot.
 
2009-12-26 07:59:04 PM  
After thinking about this a bit it makes me wonder if the policy makers are doing this to cause the general public to develop a hatred towards Muslims. The idea being that after being inconvenienced and humiliated the passengers will change their currently inclusive attitude.
 
2009-12-26 07:59:27 PM  

SapperInTexas: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

THIS.

Start strip-searching the brown-skin guys with beards. They're the ones responsible. That's not racism, that's simple statistics. (Muslim male, 17-40 years old, we've all seen that e-mail by now) But our leaders won't come out and say it. Cowards.


Strip searches in America would not have done one damn bit of good in this case, dumbass. This guy got on the plane in either Nigeria or Amsterdam. He was never IN a US airport to BE searched. We can make people on domestic flights board and fly naked; but things like this will always happen as long as overseas airports don't do the same.

Oh, and BTW:

Mors: funsized:
But McVeigh never went after an airplane. The only non-islamic hijackers I can think of are... well... ... um... DB Cooper.


You either have a short memory or a limited worldview. The Japanese Red Army were the most awesome hijackers on the planet in their day; and Cubans were hijacking anything with wings after Castro took over. So if you can't "think" of any non-islamic hijackers, don't stop there: Do some research before you shoot your mouth off.
 
2009-12-26 07:59:29 PM  

penthesilea [TotalFark] Quote 2009-12-26 06:30:09 PM
So at the end of the flight when the child has been doing their best to sit still and be quiet for hours is the perfect time to take away distractions. No snacks, no toys, no books, no movies or iPods. And nothing for the adults who would like to ignore any little ones.

Just great.


farkING THIS. I fly in four days with two kids and now you're telling me they have to sit still and be quiet, no toys, no books, no games, no nothing. Yeah. That's gonna work out farkING PERFECTLY!! GODDAMN MUTHERFARKING ASSHOLES!!! I could go on but I won't. I'll just keep it inside.

/hate being the mom with the whiny kid and was gonna do my DAMNED LEVEL BEST to make sure that didn't happen.


HTML fail.
 
2009-12-26 07:59:55 PM  
EMP.
 
2009-12-26 08:00:19 PM  
I just got off a flight about 20 minutes ago, so I'm really getting a kick...

Seriously, I did. Didn't have any unusual restrictions and we actually landed 10 min early, so I guess I missed the new rules by a bit.

Unless I'm reading the article wrong, the stuff on lap/walking around restriction only applies to international flights. That said, it's still a bunch of bullshiat, and I totally agree with what's being said get. I think the one that bugs me the most is the one-bag-total on international flights. I travel a fair amount, and today I checked a bag only because I have a bunch of Christmas presents. Normally I just fly with a small carry-on and my laptop/camera bag, and I really resent bring restricted just the one bag. So stupid.

Also, security-checking all luggage at the gate? What a recipe for fail... or a way for airlines to make more money as people rush to check stuff as a way to save the hassle of a second security screening.

This sucks. I absolutely love to travel, especially flying, but this is becoming the flying equivalent of sitting in traffic on a hot day at endless red lights. Absolutely farking miserable and maddening.
 
2009-12-26 08:00:22 PM  

x23:
i really wish inconsiderate pricks like you would take a hint and NOT FLY.


I really wish whiny biatches would set themselves on fire. I guess we can't get everything we want.

/thread is so full of fail.
//since so many shiatheels wanna ban muslims from planes, can we also ban christians from medical centers for abortion bombings/murders?
 
2009-12-26 08:01:10 PM  

Befuddled: moops: When something like this happens, you righties prefer to advance your political agenda, rather than address the problem.

I am not a rightie, and exactly how do we address this problem?


the guy's farking FATHER notified the US embassy. how did this guy slip through?
 
2009-12-26 08:01:14 PM  
I will never fly commercial again. I'd rather go Amtrak or Greyhound. And you smart guys that say I can't get to Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Guam, etc. FU, I'll go to Destin.
 
2009-12-26 08:01:24 PM  

Jester41K: As an airline pilot, my concern is not with those onboard the plane. This flight shows exactly what would happen if another hijacking is attempted. My concern is with those that have access to the plane while its still on the groud. Every day, thousand of airport workers (shop employees, cleaners, rampers, etc.) are allowed to bypass TSA and get inside security through their own entrance without any screening precautions whatsoever. These people can bring anything inside the secured area and potentionaly plant something on a plane without so much as a metal detector stopping them.

/ jealous pilot that has to go through the Tub Stacking Association line just like everyone else.


Isn't capitalism wonderful. There's absolutely no need other than greed to have an entire shopping mall past the security gate but the potential profit far outweighs the security of passengers.
 
2009-12-26 08:01:24 PM  
*rolls eyes* Just get up and pee any way. They'll say 'sir / ma'am, you have to return to your seat" and you'll say 'yeah, I will, when I've gone to the bathroom". They're not going to try and forcefully restrain you and if they do, you've got a good case against the airline for assault and trauma. But too many people are afraid of missing their connections for upsetting the uppity sky waitress. These rules wouldn't be implemented if people didn't follow them.
 
2009-12-26 08:01:37 PM  
Best idea, just scrap the way stuff is done. Let people take their families to the gate to see them off. Get rid of the plugged up entrances to terminals.
 
2009-12-26 08:02:07 PM  
For f*ck's sake, why don't you ban flying? Problem solved in one easy step?
 
2009-12-26 08:02:32 PM  

moops: funsized: Because God only knows that there are certainly no circumstances where a child has to fly-

No, there are none. You don't get to invade everybody's personal space because you have a child screaming, kicking, and running up and down the aisles.


So say a young couple and the 23-month-old are moving to Japan from Iowa. What're they supposed to do? Drive? Yeah, that'll do it. Leave the baby? GOOD CALL. Say your parent is dying and, given that a lot of grandparents really care about their grandkids, they want to see them before they die. Then, yes, that counts as needing to fly as in most cases driving is way slower even including layovers, security, and everything.

Also, just to be a pedantic ass to match your own intolerant flaw, your logic is flawed because the disproof of nonexistence is showing that there is at least one witness to it, and I found one; and a plane and the aisles are not even remotely your personal space. Personal bubble around you is one thing, just because you're on the plane doesn't mean you control the space around you. You paid for that SEAT.
 
2009-12-26 08:02:34 PM  

Jarhead_h: Question... why does anyone even fly domestic anymore? My last flight was almost a full year ago now and frankly I think that it will be my last ever. If I need to get across the entire US I'll just drive thanks.


As I'm sure there are many others like me, but I fly for work.....I am on a constant cycle of 2 weeks at work (on the road) and one week at home. If the work locale is within 7-8 hours (driving), then I drive to it. But usually it's farther, and then (as with others I'm sure), it becomes an issue of how much time do you need to drive there, or how much "free" time do you have to drive there & back.
 
2009-12-26 08:02:53 PM  

beoswulf: That's no surprise considering that in the USA, Muslims are better educated and wealthier than the average America, satisfying the traditional Muslim goal of dominating the non-Muslim population, while in Europe Muslims are treated as second class citizens and ghettoized.


"Average America" are the type of people that support Palin.

Nobody's keeping the average American down except for "lol learnin iz elitism" thoughts that keep pervading the fundamentalist side of the Republican party.
 
2009-12-26 08:02:54 PM  
What needs to happen now is a wholesale boycott. Americans simply stop getting on airliners, everyone else stop coming to America. Economic pressure will force the gummint to find a less STUPID solution. Rapidly.
 
2009-12-26 08:02:58 PM  
Wow, way to go, you pansy american cowards. Brought to your knees by some firecrackers. The terrorists already won. Pussies. Where are the big loud courageous obnoxious good old boys now? Oh, they're only courageous when their socialized military is there to nanny them.
 
2009-12-26 08:03:10 PM  
I love it how all these "security" measures always go into effect AFTER the shenanigan was attempted, and is only a narrow reaction to that specific shenanigan:

Shoe lighter attempts to do something with his shoes: Later on, AFTER the danger: We have to walk barefoot through security. Does nothing to stop someone from bringing an innocuous-looking liquid explosive onboard NOT in their shoes.

Liquid bomber tries to blow up liquid: Later on, AFTER the danger: We now have a bunch of ridiculous liquid restrictions, which do nothing to stop someone from bringing on a powder explosive.

Powder burner tries to light some powder on fire during the last hour of a flight: Later, AFTER the danger: We now have restrictions during the last hour of flight, which will do nothing to stop someone who wants to try something during the second-last hour of the flight... and on... and on...
 
2009-12-26 08:03:19 PM  
lady_nocturne: the stuff on lap/walking around restriction only applies to international flights.

Yep it does, it has no effect on domestic flights.
 
2009-12-26 08:03:27 PM  

traylor: why don't you ban flying?


but then only outlaws will fly
 
2009-12-26 08:03:54 PM  

DamnYankees: There's no other practical way to go from NY to CA, sadly.


True. How much is a round trip flight from JFK to LAX?

Round trip in Amtrak is gonna run you $1300 if you want a bed
 
2009-12-26 08:04:01 PM  
Potty breaks are over, now back to your seat you little scared farking fliers.
 
2009-12-26 08:04:12 PM  

moops: funsized: Because God only knows that there are certainly no circumstances where a child has to fly-

No, there are none. You don't get to invade everybody's personal space because you have a child screaming, kicking, and running up and down the aisles.


Why do you assume there are none? My kid had a passport before she was 2 weeks old. She has been to Europe 3x in the last year. LA/ Seattle more times than I can count.

The only disturbance was a woman who attacked my baby on a flight with a bag of chips. She was cuffed and lead off by the cops. (the woman, not my baby. The cuffs would have probbably been too small anyway)
 
2009-12-26 08:04:24 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Where are the big loud courageous obnoxious good old boys now?


You won't find them on planes... Never have, never will.
 
2009-12-26 08:04:29 PM  
$1300 - one way with the cheap bedrooms
 
2009-12-26 08:04:29 PM  

WhyteRaven74: lady_nocturne: the stuff on lap/walking around restriction only applies to international flights.

Yep it does, it has no effect on domestic flights.


Yet.
 
2009-12-26 08:04:33 PM  

Hau Ruck: Flying sucks enough as it is. My tinfoil hat theory says this whole thing was hatched by the airlines to decrease the number of people flying with them and hence, the number of complaints.

That, and they need some more ways around the upcoming "passenger rights" legislation too.



How about this - no more carry on bags allowed - only a "personal item". That means $20-30 extra per person...adds up quick.
 
2009-12-26 08:04:36 PM  

medius: traylor: why don't you ban flying?

but then only outlaws will fly


I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me....

/definitely not obscure
 
2009-12-26 08:05:30 PM  
The most effective weapon the terrorists have is the TSA.
 
2009-12-26 08:05:57 PM  

Meet Us at the Stick: DamnYankees: There's no other practical way to go from NY to CA, sadly.

True. How much is a round trip flight from JFK to LAX?

Round trip in Amtrak is gonna run you $1300 if you want a bed


You can get it for as low as $300-400. My trip is costing 500 bc I'm flying into SF and out of LA.
 
2009-12-26 08:06:10 PM  
Reactionary nonsense that will not save a single life or make flying any safer - just increase the frustration and discontent of the traveling public in the name of pretending to "do something".

Frankly, the only thing this will actually do is make me less likely to want to travel in the first place.
 
2009-12-26 08:06:25 PM  
Just segregate flights by religion. Muslim and non Muslim.
The problem will eventually take care of itself.
 
2009-12-26 08:06:28 PM  
Quantum Apostrophe: Oh, they're only courageous when their socialized military is there to nanny them.

And when it comes to others being sick and they can crap all over them.
 
2009-12-26 08:06:35 PM  
To those who are suggesting that we start profiling and banning or at least, pay extra attention to Muslims or those who could be Muslim. There are some major flaws:

1) The shiat storm if an extremist Christian group or an eco-terrorist ever successfully blew up a plane because the TSA and Homeland Security were looking for Muslims.

2) Sympathizers. Brown skinned Muslims recruit white and black skinned Americans or Brits or even French people. Even get them to carry the Bible or some sort of anti-Islamic propaganda, no one thinks of them possibly being terrorists

3) The ACLU.
 
2009-12-26 08:06:49 PM  
Yay! Let's continue to be reactive! That will teach them!
 
2009-12-26 08:07:01 PM  

gadian: *rolls eyes* Just get up and pee any way. They'll say 'sir / ma'am, you have to return to your seat" and you'll say 'yeah, I will, when I've gone to the bathroom". They're not going to try and forcefully restrain you and if they do, you've got a good case against the airline for assault and trauma. But too many people are afraid of missing their connections for upsetting the uppity sky waitress. These rules wouldn't be implemented if people didn't follow them.


Or, just whip it out and pee in the aisle. That's what I'd do.
 
2009-12-26 08:07:23 PM  

unlikely: Annnnd... once again, terrorists SUCCESSFULLY use one person to change the way of life in the Land of the Free* and the Home of the Brave**.


* Offer applies in limited areas only
** American brand Brave, no bearing on actual bravery


Dunno about that... several 'mericun passengers opened a can of whoopass on this asshat, and in the other thread, somebody detailed all of the hijackings since 9/11, all of them filled with foreigners - and none of them did anything (well, except for the ones that paid the hijacker money).

Same went for the shoe bomber and many troublemakers on American domestic flights. American passengers took action, their counterparts elsewhere stood by shaking in their seats.

Seems like America might be the last bastion of "actual bravery".
 
2009-12-26 08:07:23 PM  
This sucks so much rank ass. I love riding in planes, but I detest all the bullshiat leading up to the ride. Stop being reactionary vaginas.
 
2009-12-26 08:07:31 PM  

ski9600: I will never fly commercial again. I'd rather go Amtrak or Greyhound. And you smart guys that say I can't get to Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Guam, etc. FU, I'll go to Destin.


I like my beaches redneck-free.
 
2009-12-26 08:07:55 PM  

torquestripe: Just segregate flights by religion. Muslim and non Muslim.


How do you tell who is who?

(and you probably meant "Christian and non Christian.")
 
2009-12-26 08:08:14 PM  
LesserEvil: Seems like America might be the last bastion of "actual bravery".

the TSA rules indicate otherwise
 
2009-12-26 08:08:19 PM  

peachy92: Why doesn't the TSA just gang and bound us and insert butt plugs up our rectums? That would make air travel safe.


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2009-12-26 08:08:42 PM  

Befuddled: This is stupid in that there's nothing magical about the last hour of a flight. If an asshole wants to blow up a plane, he can do it just as easily at takeoff or at an hour and fifteen minutes before landing.


This
 
2009-12-26 08:08:43 PM  

zz9: I am struggling to think of any single measure that is as easy to get around as this. So a terrorist can't set off his bomb in the last hour? So he sets it off a few minutes earlier. Job done.

This is like saying "He was wearing a blue jacket! Lets ban all blue jackets!"


??

I say go ahead and ban blue jackets. I don't like blue.
 
2009-12-26 08:08:59 PM  

DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.


Seriously. How long has it been since those idiots crashed a few airliners? Has ANYTHING been built on the towers' site yet? Embarrassing. An entire country hiding under its beds all this time, farking pathetic. I'm farking EMBARRASSED to be an American more and more every single day this crap keeps going on.

Just wait till some group pulls some shiat on a Greyhound or Amtrak, or the DC beltway, then we all might as well be confined to our homes.

Everyone I know in the military (several dozen still serving) thinks all of this is a disgrace.
 
2009-12-26 08:09:10 PM  
I am sure my family is going to love this on the 17hr leg of the journey back home to Thailand, which totals over 20+ hours...


Then I will get to experience next July...
 
2009-12-26 08:09:14 PM  
Now I will stay even further away from airports.
 
2009-12-26 08:09:49 PM  

btr3924: I say go ahead and ban blue jackets. I don't like blue.


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Shocked at your racism.
 
2009-12-26 08:10:38 PM  
They are training women to be suicide bombers now.

What the fark do we do when the first Intra-Uterine-Bomb (IUB) gets detonated by a female Islamic suicide bomber??? WHAT DO WE DO??? HUH??

Ban ALL females from flying?
Hire TSA gynecoligists?
JUST ACCEPT the occasional plane bombing?

Islam is NOT a religion. It is a cross between a political movement, a cult and an obsessive-compulsive disorder.

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE. It is an ideological movement. It is attacking us from within. 10% of muslims are Islamic Fundies. And 90% of Muslims look the other way.

Want to solve the problem? Make life for ALL muslims a living hell in order to MOTIVATE them to eliminate the crazies.

Works in the Army. One guy in a squad screws up, the entire squad get punished. The squad members then do a very efficient job of straightening out the bad actor.

Want to avoid the Crusades 2.0? MAKE THE MUZZIES CLEAN UP THEIR ACT. NOW.

If we don't, the people will eventually get fed up, and there will be massive bloodshed. I really don't want to put up with a Beruit style civil war in my country.
 
2009-12-26 08:10:48 PM  

peachy92: Why doesn't the TSA just gang and bound us and insert butt plugs up our rectums? That would make air travel safe.


Is that what you need to get back on an airplane again?
 
2009-12-26 08:11:00 PM  

Earl of Chives: Hau Ruck: Flying sucks enough as it is. My tinfoil hat theory says this whole thing was hatched by the airlines to decrease the number of people flying with them and hence, the number of complaints.

That, and they need some more ways around the upcoming "passenger rights" legislation too.


How about this - no more carry on bags allowed.


A great idea for many reasons.

I rarely take bags of any kind when I fly. None checked nor carried on. No newspaper, nuthin.

I can tell you it really freaks them out when you do this.

Not sure why.
 
2009-12-26 08:11:05 PM  
I'm more inconvenienced than terrified. We should call them Islamic Inconveniencists.
 
2009-12-26 08:11:32 PM  

Je5tEr: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

Seriously. How long has it been since those idiots crashed a few airliners? Has ANYTHING been built on the towers' site yet? Embarrassing. An entire country hiding under its beds all this time, farking pathetic. I'm farking EMBARRASSED to be an American more and more every single day this crap keeps going on.

Just wait till some group pulls some shiat on a Greyhound or Amtrak, or the DC beltway, then we all might as well be confined to our homes.

Everyone I know in the military (several dozen still serving) thinks all of this is a disgrace.


Well, there was the crazy farker who beheaded the guy sitting next to him on the Greyhound last year then kept trying to eat the ears when the cops were trying to get at him....
 
2009-12-26 08:11:41 PM  

funsized: mark12A: And still everybody dances around the actual problem:

MUSLIMS ON AIRPLANES!

Shrinkwrap the bastards before loading them on the plane. Profile and search them from their toenails to last follicle on their farking heads!

I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.

What's it going to take for people to come to their senses?

If guys wearing clown noses were running around in the street shooting people, how long would it take for the police to start grabbing and searching anybody wearing a clown nose in public? Not very long. Why, why, why won't we do the obvious farking thing and search Muslims? How many innocent people have to be butchered before we do this?

Not to mention there's some magical litmus paper that will turn orange when you put it on a Muslim.


Pave the screening areas with Korans...
 
2009-12-26 08:11:53 PM  

gweilo8888: Reactionary nonsense that will not save a single life or make flying any safer - just increase the frustration and discontent of the traveling public in the name of pretending to "do something".


You know, if I were Osama and I was trying to bring America to a halt, I'd just recruit a few kids to do random terrorist-like things at all the various stages of air travel. Do a nice spread and cover them all:

1. Do something in the nice crowded security line.
2. Do something at the gate.
3. Do something during taxi/takeoff.
4. Do something during the first hour of flight.
5. Do something during the middle of the flight.
6. Do something during the last hour of flight.
7. Do something while landing.
8. Do something at the baggage claim.

Of course, the geniuses in Homeland Security will have to react and place knee-jerk restrictions at each of those stages, grinding all air travel to a halt.
 
2009-12-26 08:12:18 PM  

funsized: medius: traylor: why don't you ban flying?

but then only outlaws will fly

I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me....

/definitely not obscure


The Farmer Astronaut?
 
2009-12-26 08:12:24 PM  

Kyosuke: torquestripe: Just segregate flights by religion. Muslim and non Muslim.

How do you tell who is who?

(and you probably meant "Christian and non Christian.")


Serve a pre boarding meal consisting of BLT sandwiches and pork rinds instead of potato chips.
Porky Pig approved!
 
2009-12-26 08:12:44 PM  

moops: Befuddled: I'm afraid we are going to have to start profiling people like El Al Airlines does.

I see the righties have their talking points already, since I've been seeing this multiple times.

Profiling is not what makes El Al successful. And you're naive to think we're currently NOT profiling - it's just not official.

When something like this happens, you righties prefer to advance your political agenda, rather than address the problem.


I flew El Al a few years ago with my nice little picture postcard family. Why we got pulled aside I don't know, but the nice, pretty, but very serious security agent questioned us for about 15 minutes about Buffalo, our schools, our synagogue, and our associations until she was satisfied. Personally I think we finally dropped a name she knew (in the Jewish world, it's more like two degrees of association than six). But we were happy to see such careful scrutiny, considering the stakes.

I presume that eventually we'll get processed something like new inmates before we fly; a full-body x-ray and an orange jumpsuit.
 
2009-12-26 08:13:12 PM  
How exactly would not moving around in the cabin have stopped this guy or anyone who wants to try something similar? Wasn't the dude sitting in his seat when he tried to blow up his underwear? Is a terrorist really going to give a shiat about not getting out of his seat when he gets ready to attempt his little version of jihad?

Also thanks subby for posting a link to an article that you have to join the site to read. RTFA elsewhere.
 
2009-12-26 08:13:26 PM  
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Sure beats dealing with the airlines!
 
2009-12-26 08:13:44 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: gadian: *rolls eyes* Just get up and pee any way. They'll say 'sir / ma'am, you have to return to your seat" and you'll say 'yeah, I will, when I've gone to the bathroom". They're not going to try and forcefully restrain you and if they do, you've got a good case against the airline for assault and trauma. But too many people are afraid of missing their connections for upsetting the uppity sky waitress. These rules wouldn't be implemented if people didn't follow them.

Or, just whip it out and pee in the aisle. That's what I'd do.


:D

Hope I'm on the flight where you try that. Wait till 2012 after I pass the bar; I'll be your attorney immediately and start nailing people to the wall about your right to relieve your kidneys being guaranteed under Freedom of Religion (OH MY GOD, I'VE GOT TO GO!)
 
2009-12-26 08:13:46 PM  
from one news link: Dr Mutallab is said to have warned the US authorities about his son's extreme views six months ago. Abdulmutallab was reportedly on a security watch list,

So the US authorities knew about this guy, he was on a security watch list and still was able to fly into the United States with no questions asked.

I guess you don't get much for the trillion dollars our government has spent on the War on TerrorTM these days.
 
2009-12-26 08:13:50 PM  
In other words, train travel is about to become a helluva lot more popular.
 
2009-12-26 08:14:22 PM  

mark12A: What the fark do we do when the first Intra-Uterine-Bomb (IUB) gets detonated by a female Islamic suicide bomber??? WHAT DO WE DO??? HUH??


Well, Planned Parenthood would surely put out a triumphant press release proclaiming that women finally have control over their own bodies!
 
2009-12-26 08:14:41 PM  

Obscure on Fark: I'm more inconvenienced than terrified. We should call them Islamic Inconveniencists.


Seconded.
 
2009-12-26 08:14:50 PM  

ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.


then you're part of the problem
 
2009-12-26 08:14:55 PM  

Bucky Katt: If you got to pee, don't want until the last minute to head to the loo. Either plan ahead or just whip it out and pee on the seat in front of you.


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Peeing will now be an act of terrorism . The TSA arm of Al-Queda will see to that.
 
2009-12-26 08:15:27 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: How exactly would not moving around in the cabin have stopped this guy or anyone who wants to try something similar? Wasn't the dude sitting in his seat when he tried to blow up his underwear? Is a terrorist really going to give a shiat about not getting out of his seat when he gets ready to attempt his little version of jihad?

Also thanks subby for posting a link to an article that you have to join the site to read. RTFA elsewhere.


BugMeNot.com
 
2009-12-26 08:15:28 PM  

mark12A: They are training women to be suicide bombers now.

What the fark do we do when the first Intra-Uterine-Bomb (IUB) gets detonated by a female Islamic suicide bomber??? WHAT DO WE DO??? HUH??


I can't stop laughing at that!
Funny shiat right there.
 
2009-12-26 08:15:52 PM  
I notice these restrictions only apply to international travellers. All international travellers.

Because everyone born in America is a diehard patriot, whereas those damn British and Russians are never up to any good and probably want to see America destroyed.
 
2009-12-26 08:16:13 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Hope I'm on the flight where you try that. Wait till 2012 after I pass the bar; I'll be your attorney immediately and start nailing people to the wall about your right to relieve your kidneys being guaranteed under Freedom of Religion (OH MY GOD, I'VE GOT TO GO!)


Seeing the air-hags they hire as flight attendants these days, I'd guess my aisle piss would be the first time they saw dick since the Reagan administration.
 
2009-12-26 08:16:14 PM  

Obscure on Fark: I'm more inconvenienced than terrified. We should call them Islamic Inconveniencists.


Islamic "Fark it up for the rest of us"ists.
 
2009-12-26 08:17:04 PM  

moops: funsized: Because God only knows that there are certainly no circumstances where a child has to fly-

No, there are none. You don't get to invade everybody's personal space because you have a child screaming, kicking, and running up and down the aisles.


It seems to me that unless you need the organ from the executed Chinese prisoner to stay alive or something, that maybe YOU don't really NEED to fly either, amirite?

gadian: *rolls eyes* Just get up and pee any way. They'll say 'sir / ma'am, you have to return to your seat" and you'll say 'yeah, I will, when I've gone to the bathroom". They're not going to try and forcefully restrain you and if they do, you've got a good case against the airline for assault and trauma. But too many people are afraid of missing their connections for upsetting the uppity sky waitress. These rules wouldn't be implemented if people didn't follow them.


PROTIP: The "uppity sky waitress" is protected by some heavy duty federal laws. You can go to prison for disobeying their instructions.
 
2009-12-26 08:17:38 PM  

T.M.S.: The only disturbance was a woman who attacked my baby on a flight with a bag of chips. She was cuffed and lead off by the cops. (the woman, not my baby. The cuffs would have probbably been too small anyway)


Ok, I've got to ask....

How old was your baby at the time? What sequence of events led her to attack your baby? How, precisely, does one attack with potato chips?

In short: There's a story there. Don't leave us hangin'...

/I've heard of some weird weapons, but "potato chips" doesn't strike me as such...
 
2009-12-26 08:17:43 PM  
We need to start a campaign to start publishing every single way anyone can imaging causing some sort of mayhem on an airliner for these things to go away.

Start by taking a look at that items TSA specifically allows.

How could anyone cause any harm with a solid steel hexagonal shaft cane?

A pair of scissors is 2 knives after you pop out the pin you know. (maybe thats why they call them a pair?)
 
2009-12-26 08:18:20 PM  

ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.


HOW HARD IS IT TO SAY 2 YEARS OLD!? Jesus...

/pet peeve
//peet peve
 
2009-12-26 08:18:42 PM  

mark12A: They are training women to be suicide bombers now.

What the fark do we do when the first Intra-Uterine-Bomb (IUB) gets detonated by a female Islamic suicide bomber??? WHAT DO WE DO??? HUH??


Only a matter of time. It won't ever be very popular, though--do you have ANY idea how painful it is to get something inserted into your uterus, much less randomly pull on the string or whatever to detonate it? Besides,

torquestripe: mark12A: They are training women to be suicide bombers now.

What the fark do we do when the first Intra-Uterine-Bomb (IUB) gets detonated by a female Islamic suicide bomber??? WHAT DO WE DO??? HUH??


I can't stop laughing at that!
Funny shiat right there.


It's not funny if you know how much it farking hurts to have something inserted via your cervix. D:

Seriously, though, it's probably only a matter of time.
 
2009-12-26 08:19:38 PM  

LesserEvil:

Dunno about that... several 'mericun passengers opened a can of whoopass on this asshat, and in the other thread, somebody detailed all of the hijackings since 9/11, all of them filled with foreigners - and none of them did anything (well, except for the ones that paid the hijacker money).

Same went for the shoe bomber and many troublemakers on American domestic flights. American passengers took action, their counterparts elsewhere stood by shaking in their seats.

Seems like America might be the last bastion of "actual bravery".


Uhh yeah, Jasper Schuringa (new window)is all Amerikun.
Have you ever been outside the Americas?

/this is why Europeans dislike americans
 
2009-12-26 08:19:55 PM  

x23: ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.

i really wish inconsiderate pricks like you would take a hint and NOT FLY. literally no one cares about your precious cherub. drive. have the grandparents visit YOU. for the love of god... just stay off the GD plane.

believe it or not... your 23-month old has no important business to tend to across the country. somehow we managed to survive as a society before the days of commodity air travel.


Heh. I'm going to book my daughter and I on every flight you take now. And yeah, my apologies to everyone who has to fly cross country with me now. But thanks TSA! At least we're safer from the mooslims.
 
2009-12-26 08:19:57 PM  

torquestripe: Just segregate flights by religion. Muslim and non Muslim.
The problem will eventually take care of itself.


but how would we know who the Muslims are?

oh i know, we should make them wear a patch of the insignia of their religion. surely they wouldn't mind wearing something that they believe in.

/not that i disagree with you, it is just really a slippery slope.
 
2009-12-26 08:20:16 PM  

studebaker hoch: The terrorists are winning.


Yup. If you have a group of people who can convince young males to blow themselves up then it's a no brainer to defeat our airline system. You don't even need anything more then a firecracker at this point. Just convince some young, dumb male that the M80 you surrounded with wires and a fuse can blow a hole in the fuselage. Get that guy on the plane, have him light it, and watch the entire country's airline security system shiat itself trying to figure out how to probe passengers further short of sticking a cattle prod up their asses.

If, on the other hand, we as a country had some cajones for our beliefs we'd realize that one of the risks for living in a free society is that every once in a while someone *might* figure out a way to kill a few thousand of us. And that giving up that freedom we espouse is what we're most in danger of. "Freedom isn't free" indeed.
 
2009-12-26 08:20:59 PM  

Great Janitor: And the moment someone is arrested because they'd rather run to the restroom on the plane instead of pissing their pants, this shiat will end.

No, it won't end that day. There will be debates, "Why didn't he hold it, he knew the law and still broke it, punish him accordingly." and "This law is made to prevent the plane from being blown up, what risk was the plane in by not letting a 40 y.o. business man from Berkley go to the farking restroom?"

Someone in this thread already pointed out the solution, that farker said that the passengers are doing a better job keeping the planes safe than the TSA has been. I say we disband the TSA and arm the passengers. Nutjob tries to light some chemicals to blow up the plane, five passengers shoot to kill that person. Sounds like a solution to me. Now we'll have to use a gun and round that will kill (or at least wound) and not penetrate the windows or hull. Lethal might be bad if they miss and kill someone innocent, but non-lethal means a trial and tax payer money for the trial and to keep him alive in prison.


Because few things are smarter than pistols in pressurized cabins.
 
2009-12-26 08:21:04 PM  

wambu: Bucky Katt: If you got to pee, don't want until the last minute to head to the loo. Either plan ahead or just whip it out and pee on the seat in front of you.

Peeing will now be an act of terrorism . The TSA arm of Al-Queda will see to that.


No, not really. Besides, that's what the air-sickness bag is useful for. It can hold about 8~10oz of urine (sandwiched in the seat pouch) and takes about 75 minutes before it leaks through.

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2009-12-26 08:21:17 PM  

btr3924: zz9: I am struggling to think of any single measure that is as easy to get around as this. So a terrorist can't set off his bomb in the last hour? So he sets it off a few minutes earlier. Job done.

This is like saying "He was wearing a blue jacket! Lets ban all blue jackets!"

??

I say go ahead and ban blue jackets. I don't like blue.


so Crips can't fly? "THAT'S WAYCISS!!"
 
2009-12-26 08:21:40 PM  
America's Muslim population is the most liberal in the world. No more than 25% of young American Muslims support suicide bombings

ONLY 25%?? That's *real* reassuring!
 
2009-12-26 08:21:57 PM  
TheShavingofOccam123:

Here's a two-step solution.

1. Give workers more vacation time so they have other alternatives to flying.

2. Give workers other alternatives to flying.


That would be nice. But I prefer "choose your own job" rather than mandating a "give workers" rule. If the latter, the United States would turn into a France or a similar European-level black hole of suck.
 
2009-12-26 08:22:46 PM  

Obscure on Fark: Islamic Inconveniencists.


*snert*

/That'll be showing up on the Jay Leno Show shortly
 
2009-12-26 08:23:02 PM  

mxwjs: torquestripe: Just segregate flights by religion. Muslim and non Muslim.
The problem will eventually take care of itself.

but how would we know who the Muslims are?

oh i know, we should make them wear a patch of the insignia of their religion. surely they wouldn't mind wearing something that they believe in.

/not that i disagree with you, it is just really a slippery slope.


I believe that would be a vertical drop.
 
2009-12-26 08:23:17 PM  

Great Janitor: To those who are suggesting that we start profiling and banning or at least, pay extra attention to Muslims or those who could be Muslim. There are some major flaws:

1) The shiat storm if an extremist Christian group or an eco-terrorist ever successfully blew up a plane because the TSA and Homeland Security were looking for Muslims.

2) Sympathizers. Brown skinned Muslims recruit white and black skinned Americans or Brits or even French people. Even get them to carry the Bible or some sort of anti-Islamic propaganda, no one thinks of them possibly being terrorists

3) The ACLU.



This shows a complete lack of understanding of how radicalism works, and of the balancing act the Feds are carrying on. There's a tiny white-hot core of jihadists who want to destroy the West/bomb planes/what not. Around them is a ring of supporters - not just the teenagers posting on boards, but wealthy Saudis who funnel in millions of dollars each year. Around that ring is another ring of less ideological types who "kind of" agree with the whole suicide bombing thing. Then you have other rings all the way out to moderates and even the liberals.

Each ring protects and insulates the one within it.

What happens when you start profiling the moderates? They're not going to say "that's totally logical, my white friends. No harm no foul!". They're going to start migrating inwards to the more radical rings. They might not bomb a plane, but they're much more likely to ignore things they see that they understand are trouble signs. Nidal Malik Hasan for example.

When a moderate Muslim at the airport sees your white 85 year old grandmother being searched, it shows him that we're all on the same side and having to put up with the same sh*t from the TSA. The terrorists are inconveniencing ALL of us, including him. But when he's pulled out of line every single time, and all the white people cruise through, guess what - you just switched which team he's rooting for.
 
2009-12-26 08:23:49 PM  

mark12A: America's Muslim population is the most liberal in the world. No more than 25% of young American Muslims support suicide bombings

ONLY 25%?? That's *real* reassuring!


I'd be interested to see how many young American males overall support suicide bombings if they were used to fight the "terrorists."
 
2009-12-26 08:23:59 PM  
The only thing that is going to stop these jihadi wannabes from blowing up a plane is the passengers sitting next to them. My guess is that they send 2 or more terrorists next time so if the first one fails and the passengers are occupied the second one can do his thing.
 
2009-12-26 08:24:04 PM  

moops: funsized: Because God only knows that there are certainly no circumstances where a child has to fly-

No, there are none. You don't get to invade everybody's personal space because you have a child screaming, kicking, and running up and down the aisles.


STFU!
We went from Frankfurt to Boston, to San Francisco with a 13 month old. No one knew we had a kid on the plane, besides out of Frankfurt("kline maus, kline maus!) The only trouble we encountered was in the San Francisco airport. God, I hate that biatch, especially after the orange juice bottle broke.
 
2009-12-26 08:24:22 PM  

eire_irie: LesserEvil:

Dunno about that... several 'mericun passengers opened a can of whoopass on this asshat, and in the other thread, somebody detailed all of the hijackings since 9/11, all of them filled with foreigners - and none of them did anything (well, except for the ones that paid the hijacker money).

Same went for the shoe bomber and many troublemakers on American domestic flights. American passengers took action, their counterparts elsewhere stood by shaking in their seats.

Seems like America might be the last bastion of "actual bravery".

Uhh yeah, Jasper Schuringa (new window)is all Amerikun.
Have you ever been outside the Americas?

/this is why Europeans dislike americans


He acted while in the US, so he's an honorary American!

Kidding aside (yeah, my original post was meant to hyperbolize the point), that's cool... but my point still stands, Americans have acted against passengers that got out of hand, while it's been documented that in hijackings since 9/11, all in other countries, only one had any involvement on the part of the passengers.

You can't really accuse Americans of not being brave.
 
2009-12-26 08:24:31 PM  

T.M.S.: Why is it inconsiderate to take a child on an airplane?


Because of the nonstop WAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

Ignoring all the TSA horse sh*t for a minute, I would pay extra to fly on childless flights. Either shut your crotch dropping up or don't f*cking fly.
 
2009-12-26 08:24:45 PM  

ZeroPly: Great Janitor: To those who are suggesting that we start profiling and banning or at least, pay extra attention to Muslims or those who could be Muslim. There are some major flaws:

1) The shiat storm if an extremist Christian group or an eco-terrorist ever successfully blew up a plane because the TSA and Homeland Security were looking for Muslims.

2) Sympathizers. Brown skinned Muslims recruit white and black skinned Americans or Brits or even French people. Even get them to carry the Bible or some sort of anti-Islamic propaganda, no one thinks of them possibly being terrorists

3) The ACLU.


This shows a complete lack of understanding of how radicalism works, and of the balancing act the Feds are carrying on. There's a tiny white-hot core of jihadists who want to destroy the West/bomb planes/what not. Around them is a ring of supporters - not just the teenagers posting on boards, but wealthy Saudis who funnel in millions of dollars each year. Around that ring is another ring of less ideological types who "kind of" agree with the whole suicide bombing thing. Then you have other rings all the way out to moderates and even the liberals.

Each ring protects and insulates the one within it.

What happens when you start profiling the moderates? They're not going to say "that's totally logical, my white friends. No harm no foul!". They're going to start migrating inwards to the more radical rings. They might not bomb a plane, but they're much more likely to ignore things they see that they understand are trouble signs. Nidal Malik Hasan for example.

When a moderate Muslim at the airport sees your white 85 year old grandmother being searched, it shows him that we're all on the same side and having to put up with the same sh*t from the TSA. The terrorists are inconveniencing ALL of us, including him. But when he's pulled out of line every single time, and all the white people cruise through, guess what - you just switched which team he's rooting for.


THANK YOU.
 
2009-12-26 08:24:55 PM  

zz9: I am struggling to think of any single measure that is as easy to get around as this. So a terrorist can't set off his bomb in the last hour? So he sets it off a few minutes earlier. Job done.

This is like saying "He was wearing a blue jacket! Lets ban all blue jackets!"


Suspect was not wearing a hat. Repeat, suspect was hatless.
 
2009-12-26 08:25:05 PM  

stiletto_the_wise:

Seeing the air-hags they hire as flight attendants these days, I'd guess my aisle piss would be the first time they saw dick since the Reagan administration.


Off topic, but I would have to think that in this time of recession with 10% unemployment, airline H.R. could go to every college campus across the country and recruit graduating out of work hotties. There's such a high turnover rate among Flight Attendants, airlines are always hiring.
 
2009-12-26 08:25:28 PM  

funsized: Je5tEr: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

Seriously. How long has it been since those idiots crashed a few airliners? Has ANYTHING been built on the towers' site yet? Embarrassing. An entire country hiding under its beds all this time, farking pathetic. I'm farking EMBARRASSED to be an American more and more every single day this crap keeps going on.

Just wait till some group pulls some shiat on a Greyhound or Amtrak, or the DC beltway, then we all might as well be confined to our homes.

Everyone I know in the military (several dozen still serving) thinks all of this is a disgrace.

Well, there was the crazy farker who beheaded the guy sitting next to him on the Greyhound last year then kept trying to eat the ears when the cops were trying to get at him....


Are you farking serious? Link?
 
2009-12-26 08:25:32 PM  
Yes, because restrictions are what kept this terrorist from acting.

OH NO, wait, it was a regular citizen with freedom to act that kept this terrorist from his shenanigans!!

I guess taking away the freedom to act from regular citizens is surely the answer to future similar situations.

WTF???
 
2009-12-26 08:25:33 PM  
Bucky Katt: If you got to pee, don't want until the last minute to head to the loo. Either plan ahead or just whip it out and pee on the seat in front of you.

But what if you're last in the pee line?

/would you like some water in a plastic container meant for jello?
 
2009-12-26 08:26:51 PM  

geedavey: I flew El Al a few years ago with my nice little picture postcard family. Why we got pulled aside I don't know, but the nice, pretty, but very serious security agent questioned us for about 15 minutes about Buffalo, our schools, our synagogue, and our associations until she was satisfied. Personally I think we finally dropped a name she knew (in the Jewish world, it's more like two degrees of association than six). But we were happy to see such careful scrutiny, considering the stakes.


In all likelihood, your actual answers were incidental. From what I've read about El Al screening processes, when they do things like that, the real goal is to see how you react to it. If you get a little frustrated, maybe a little scared, that's normal and on you go. If you freak right out, or remain unnaturally calm, they'll start getting suspicious.

Naturally, if you didn't have an answer for a question, that would have been a red flag too. But terrorists will often train for that stuff, so behavior is really what El Al's screeners look at.
 
2009-12-26 08:27:15 PM  
Je5tEr funsized: Je5tEr: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

Seriously. How long has it been since those idiots crashed a few airliners? Has ANYTHING been built on the towers' site yet? Embarrassing. An entire country hiding under its beds all this time, farking pathetic. I'm farking EMBARRASSED to be an American more and more every single day this crap keeps going on.

Just wait till some group pulls some shiat on a Greyhound or Amtrak, or the DC beltway, then we all might as well be confined to our homes.

Everyone I know in the military (several dozen still serving) thinks all of this is a disgrace.

Well, there was the crazy farker who beheaded the guy sitting next to him on the Greyhound last year then kept trying to eat the ears when the cops were trying to get at him....

Are you farking serious? Link?



He's serious.
but it wasn't terrorism per se.
 
2009-12-26 08:28:38 PM  

funsized: mark12A: They are training women to be suicide bombers now.

What the fark do we do when the first Intra-Uterine-Bomb (IUB) gets detonated by a female Islamic suicide bomber??? WHAT DO WE DO??? HUH??

Only a matter of time. It won't ever be very popular, though--do you have ANY idea how painful it is to get something inserted into your uterus, much less randomly pull on the string or whatever to detonate it?

Seriously, though, it's probably only a matter of time.



Have you ALL forgotten the fella who tried to assassinate the Saudi prince??
To get his bomb into this room, Abdullah Asieri, one of Saudi Arabia's most wanted men, avoided detection by two sets of airport security including metal detectors and palace security. He spent 30 hours in the close company of the prince's own secret service agents - all without anyone suspecting a thing.

How did he do it?

Taking a trick from the narcotics trade - which has long smuggled drugs in body cavities - Asieri had a pound of high explosives, plus a detonator inserted in his rectum.


TFA (new window)
 
2009-12-26 08:29:03 PM  
Death of rights by constriction. Every time there's an event reactive measures are implemented to reduce the chance of a repeat.

Eventually, someone will pull a bomb out of their bare ass and that'll be the end of commercial air travel.
 
2009-12-26 08:29:31 PM  

Je5tEr: funsized: Je5tEr: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

Seriously. How long has it been since those idiots crashed a few airliners? Has ANYTHING been built on the towers' site yet? Embarrassing. An entire country hiding under its beds all this time, farking pathetic. I'm farking EMBARRASSED to be an American more and more every single day this crap keeps going on.

Just wait till some group pulls some shiat on a Greyhound or Amtrak, or the DC beltway, then we all might as well be confined to our homes.

Everyone I know in the military (several dozen still serving) thinks all of this is a disgrace.

Well, there was the crazy farker who beheaded the guy sitting next to him on the Greyhound last year then kept trying to eat the ears when the cops were trying to get at him....

Are you farking serious? Link?


I wish I were. Not that I think either Wikipedia or Fox News are definitive sources, but they're the first ones I pulled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tim_McLean , http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,396043,00.html . The teal deer version is: It was in Manitoba--the guy beheaded the passenger next to him, Tim McLean, and then ate various bits of the head. If I recall correctly, he was VERY severely mentally ill. The links for the Wiki citations are a good start.
 
2009-12-26 08:29:36 PM  
Oh Canada!
Link (new window)
 
2009-12-26 08:29:59 PM  
Will The Amazing Race be influenced by these changes? I mean they do have to wear those fanny packs and that could be considered dangerous, no?
 
2009-12-26 08:30:16 PM  
Here's an idea: ban the bringing of rolling suitcases as carry-on. Assign each seat a specified space in the overhead. Gauge the IQ of TSA employees and fire those who are in the low, low range. Invest in El Al security. Those are security measures I could get behind.

This isn't. What's next? Will we get in trouble for ordering orange juice onboard?
 
2009-12-26 08:30:28 PM  
NeedleGuy

Obscure on Fark: Islamic Inconveniencists.

*snert*

/That'll be showing up on the Jay Leno Show shortly


hey now, no need to insult the guy ! :-P
give the guy credit / raise your standards!

how about "That'll be showing up on The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson" ?

/FTFY
 
2009-12-26 08:30:30 PM  

davynelson: Je5tEr funsized: Je5tEr: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

Seriously. How long has it been since those idiots crashed a few airliners? Has ANYTHING been built on the towers' site yet? Embarrassing. An entire country hiding under its beds all this time, farking pathetic. I'm farking EMBARRASSED to be an American more and more every single day this crap keeps going on.

Just wait till some group pulls some shiat on a Greyhound or Amtrak, or the DC beltway, then we all might as well be confined to our homes.

Everyone I know in the military (several dozen still serving) thinks all of this is a disgrace.

Well, there was the crazy farker who beheaded the guy sitting next to him on the Greyhound last year then kept trying to eat the ears when the cops were trying to get at him....

Are you farking serious? Link?


He's serious.
but it wasn't terrorism per se.


Two X-chromosomes, and sorry, I never meant to imply that it was terrorism at all. It was just an excellent example of something horrible happening on a Greyhound--I agree, definitely not terrorism.
 
2009-12-26 08:30:34 PM  

Mentat: Goddamnit. Every time airline security restrictions start getting reasonable, some dumbass lights himself on fire and we're back to square one.


So much this it hurts.
 
2009-12-26 08:30:53 PM  

LesserEvil: NeedleGuy: from one news link: Dr Mutallab is said to have warned the US authorities about his son's extreme views six months ago. Abdulmutallab was reportedly on a security watch list,

So the US authorities knew about this guy, he was on a security watch list and still was able to fly into the United States with no questions asked.

I guess you don't get much for the trillion dollars our government has spent on the War on TerrorTM these days.


lunareclipse.netView Full Size
 
2009-12-26 08:31:08 PM  

Dingo7734: funsized: medius: traylor: why don't you ban flying?

but then only outlaws will fly

I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me....

/definitely not obscure

The Farmer Astronaut?


acandidworld.files.wordpress.comView Full Size


Frowns upon your lack of knowledge about the 'verse.

/seriously, the Astronaut Farmer was your guess?
//Fail.
 
2009-12-26 08:31:36 PM  
I'd much rather deal with the slight possibility of a terrorist attack than live in a police state. No matter how strict the regulations get, there will always be somebody who can figure out a way around them to do something bad.

If you really want to stop terrorism, then maybe you should pressure your government not to take actions that make entire regions of the world hate you.

And no, they don't "Hate us for Our Freedoms!tm"
 
2009-12-26 08:31:37 PM  
Seriously, quit farking flying! Boycott the airlines as much as possible.
 
2009-12-26 08:32:26 PM  
mark12A:

Islam is NOT a religion. It is a cross between a political movement, a cult and an obsessive-compulsive disorder.

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE. It is an ideological movement. It is attacking us from within. 10% of muslims are Islamic Fundies. And 90% of Muslims look the other way.

Want to solve the problem? Make life for ALL muslims a living hell in order to MOTIVATE them to eliminate the crazies.

Works in the Army. One guy in a squad screws up, the entire squad get punished. The squad members then do a very efficient job of straightening out the bad actor.

Want to avoid the Crusades 2.0? MAKE THE MUZZIES CLEAN UP THEIR ACT. NOW.


WOW. yeah. great idea. let's terrorize average civilians because 0.001% of "Muzzies" as you call them, are extremists.
speaking of extremists, which backwoods bible camp gutter did you crawl out of?
 
2009-12-26 08:32:51 PM  

SpaceButler: geedavey: I flew El Al a few years ago with my nice little picture postcard family. Why we got pulled aside I don't know, but the nice, pretty, but very serious security agent questioned us for about 15 minutes about Buffalo, our schools, our synagogue, and our associations until she was satisfied. Personally I think we finally dropped a name she knew (in the Jewish world, it's more like two degrees of association than six). But we were happy to see such careful scrutiny, considering the stakes.

In all likelihood, your actual answers were incidental. From what I've read about El Al screening processes, when they do things like that, the real goal is to see how you react to it. If you get a little frustrated, maybe a little scared, that's normal and on you go. If you freak right out, or remain unnaturally calm, they'll start getting suspicious.

Naturally, if you didn't have an answer for a question, that would have been a red flag too. But terrorists will often train for that stuff, so behavior is really what El Al's screeners look at.


Yeah, same goes for border guards.

It's tough to go based on looks. Somebody involved in "martyrdom operations isn't going to dress in "funny clothes" or ask where he can wash his feet... and he's just as likely to be a white-bread "John Smith" type from Southern California, born and bred in a nice family, but who, by whatever circumstances in his life (rebellion, white guilt, impressionable educational experience, etc...) decided to convert to islam.

For whatever reason, converts seem to trend toward extremism (true of any "converts" - see ex-smokers and ex-drinkers). We've already seen quite a few examples of this since 9/11.
 
2009-12-26 08:33:10 PM  

NeedleGuy: from one news link: Dr Mutallab is said to have warned the US authorities about his son's extreme views six months ago. Abdulmutallab was reportedly on a security watch list,

So the US authorities knew about this guy, he was on a security watch list and still was able to fly into the United States with no questions asked.

I guess you don't get much for the trillion dollars our government has spent on the War on TerrorTM these days.


BECAUSE HE GOT ON THE PLANE SOMEPLACE ELSE!!!

I don't know why that seems to be eluding everyone. US authorities can know a guy wants to murder the President; but that's not going to help if the assassin buys a ticket in Nigeria and gets on the plane in Lagos with a layover in Amsterdam. F*ck.
 
2009-12-26 08:33:17 PM  

gamempire: Dingo7734: funsized: medius: traylor: why don't you ban flying?

but then only outlaws will fly

I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me....

/definitely not obscure

The Farmer Astronaut?

Frowns upon your lack of knowledge about the 'verse.

/seriously, the Astronaut Farmer was your guess?
//Fail.


An excellent example of what a flying outlaw might look like!

God, Mal is farking hot. And Zoe. And Inara. And.... OK, yeah, the entire show, but no Reavers plzkthx.
 
2009-12-26 08:34:20 PM  
But when he's pulled out of line every single time, and all the white people cruise through, guess what - you just switched which team he's rooting for.

So he'll switch to the side that will end up making his life even more unbearable, and possibly end up getting him removed from the society that provides him with peaceful, stable, economically advantageous opportunities. Yeah, right. If he has *any* brains at all, he will rat out the troublemakers in order to improve his own opportunities.

Squeeze ALL muslims enough, they will straighten up their own house. Or leave. Either works for me.
 
2009-12-26 08:34:30 PM  

uncletogie: T.M.S.: The only disturbance was a woman who attacked my baby on a flight with a bag of chips. She was cuffed and lead off by the cops. (the woman, not my baby. The cuffs would have probbably been too small anyway)

Ok, I've got to ask....

How old was your baby at the time? What sequence of events led her to attack your baby? How, precisely, does one attack with potato chips?

In short: There's a story there. Don't leave us hangin'...

/I've heard of some weird weapons, but "potato chips" doesn't strike me as such...


The kid was 14 months old. LA to NYC.

A we boarded the woman took one look at the child and loudly began to complain.

The kid fell asleep as we took off (she is like her dad in that respect) and the woman behind us continued to say obnoxious crap about "how dare we take our little piece of shiat on a plane" etc..

An hour into the flight I exited the john and was told by the crew to stay up front as there had been an "incident" and they had to move us to the back of the plane.

Apparently the woman snapped and attacked the kid with a bag of chips. I did not see it happen which was a very good thing for her. My wife and the anon. passenger next to us were in tears.

The captain called the tower and was very interested in landing immediately but decided to wait and see if things escalated. (They were also afraid I was going to attack the woman-something I had no interest in doing)

For the remainder of the flight my kid slept while the woman curled up in the fetal position and screamed endlessly into her lap that it was everyone's fault but hers.

We landed in NYC and the woman was arrested. We were interviewed by the cops for over an hour. Everyone involved said it was the first time they had ever seen anything like it.

I think she is posting in this thread.

Second weirdest thing I ever had happen to me on a Commercial flight.
 
2009-12-26 08:35:20 PM  
As someone who flies into LAX way too much, can someone build a real International airport in Tijuana? My next flight will be to Vancouver if I can find a way to avoid LAX
 
2009-12-26 08:35:44 PM  
from the article
The government was vague about the steps it was taking, saying it wanted the security experience to be "unpredictable" and that passengers would not find the same measures at every airport

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2009-12-26 08:36:00 PM  

funsized: Je5tEr: funsized: Je5tEr: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

Seriously. How long has it been since those idiots crashed a few airliners? Has ANYTHING been built on the towers' site yet? Embarrassing. An entire country hiding under its beds all this time, farking pathetic. I'm farking EMBARRASSED to be an American more and more every single day this crap keeps going on.

Just wait till some group pulls some shiat on a Greyhound or Amtrak, or the DC beltway, then we all might as well be confined to our homes.

Everyone I know in the military (several dozen still serving) thinks all of this is a disgrace.

Well, there was the crazy farker who beheaded the guy sitting next to him on the Greyhound last year then kept trying to eat the ears when the cops were trying to get at him....

Are you farking serious? Link?

I wish I were. Not that I think either Wikipedia or Fox News are definitive sources, but they're the first ones I pulled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tim_McLean , http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,396043,00.html . The teal deer version is: It was in Manitoba--the guy beheaded the passenger next to him, Tim McLean, and then ate various bits of the head. If I recall correctly, he was VERY severely mentally ill. The links for the Wiki citations are a good start.


Yucky. Heaven help us when they start shackeling all flyers who have taken military unarmed combat training or ninjitsu or krav maga etc.
 
2009-12-26 08:36:26 PM  
Fact: Terrorists will use planes to destroy America

Fact: Terrorists are people

Fact: People use planes

Fact: People will use planes to destroy America

Conclusion: Anyone stepping in an airport should be prosecuted for treason.
 
2009-12-26 08:36:47 PM  

T.M.S.: uncletogie: T.M.S.: The only disturbance was a woman who attacked my baby on a flight with a bag of chips. She was cuffed and lead off by the cops. (the woman, not my baby. The cuffs would have probbably been too small anyway)

Ok, I've got to ask....

How old was your baby at the time? What sequence of events led her to attack your baby? How, precisely, does one attack with potato chips?

In short: There's a story there. Don't leave us hangin'...

/I've heard of some weird weapons, but "potato chips" doesn't strike me as such...

The kid was 14 months old. LA to NYC.

A we boarded the woman took one look at the child and loudly began to complain.

The kid fell asleep as we took off (she is like her dad in that respect) and the woman behind us continued to say obnoxious crap about "how dare we take our little piece of shiat on a plane" etc..

An hour into the flight I exited the john and was told by the crew to stay up front as there had been an "incident" and they had to move us to the back of the plane.

Apparently the woman snapped and attacked the kid with a bag of chips. I did not see it happen which was a very good thing for her. My wife and the anon. passenger next to us were in tears.

The captain called the tower and was very interested in landing immediately but decided to wait and see if things escalated. (They were also afraid I was going to attack the woman-something I had no interest in doing)

For the remainder of the flight my kid slept while the woman curled up in the fetal position and screamed endlessly into her lap that it was everyone's fault but hers.

We landed in NYC and the woman was arrested. We were interviewed by the cops for over an hour. Everyone involved said it was the first time they had ever seen anything like it.

I think she is posting in this thread.

Second weirdest thing I ever had happen to me on a Commercial flight.


Jesus, I can't imagine they would've been able to scoop her broken corpse off the ceiling if you had been there to witness that. Seriously, who the hell DOES that?
 
2009-12-26 08:36:49 PM  

DON.MAC: As someone who flies into LAX way too much, can someone build a real International airport in Tijuana? My next flight will be to Vancouver if I can find a way to avoid LAX


Use Burbank airport instead.
 
2009-12-26 08:37:03 PM  
the bomber - affluent, well-educated:

With his wealth, privilege and education at one of Britain's leading universities, Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab had the world at his feet - able to choose from a range of futures in which to make his mark on the world.

Instead, the son of one of Nigeria's most important figures opted to make his impact in a very different way, by strapping explosives to his leg - or even possibly implanting them in his thigh - and attempting to blow up a passenger jet as it came in to land over Detroit airport on Christmas Day. The high explosive was identified last night by the FBI as Pentaerythritol (PETN - a major component of Semtex).
 
2009-12-26 08:37:30 PM  
How about they have special flights for Muslims, maybe once a week or so?
 
2009-12-26 08:37:49 PM  

peachy92: Why doesn't the TSA just gang and bound us and insert butt plugs up our rectums? That would make air travel safe.


I don't know. Would that be extra charge?
 
2009-12-26 08:37:53 PM  
Who cares? It's not like I planned on flying ever again anyhow after the federal security expansion under Bush.

Sure I miss out on a great convenience, but I sidestep an even bigger pain in the ass in the process.
 
2009-12-26 08:38:00 PM  

funsized: gamempire: Dingo7734: funsized: medius: traylor: why don't you ban flying?

but then only outlaws will fly

I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me....

/definitely not obscure

The Farmer Astronaut?

Frowns upon your lack of knowledge about the 'verse.

/seriously, the Astronaut Farmer was your guess?
//Fail.

An excellent example of what a flying outlaw might look like!

God, Mal is farking hot. And Zoe. And Inara. And.... OK, yeah, the entire show, but no Reavers plzkthx.


I was suprised myself at how long it took to get some serious outlaw references going in here.

What other outlaws may look like:

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demaagd.comView Full Size


/hotter than the CMB of the 'verse.
 
2009-12-26 08:38:30 PM  
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

7 days ago I booked a resort in Mexico to get married at. 5 days ago we told the 20 people who we knew we wanted to come (and who we knew could come).
3 days ago all but 6 of them had already made reservations.

Now this shiat. Great. I fly all the time and am willing to deal with stupid shiat. In fact, Im not one to really complain about much. I hate the screaming kids, the evil attendants, the smelly people but I also know that its the fastest way from A to B.

But when I have my carry on bag and my camera backpack.....dont now make me check one. Ugh. If they loose my shiat, im just going to dispute the charges on my credit card for "services not rendered".

/preemptive

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2009-12-26 08:38:36 PM  
more:

His father, Umaru, is the former economics minister of Nigeria. He retired earlier this month as the chairman of the First Bank of Nigeria but is still on the boards of several of Nigeria's biggest firms, including Jaiz International, a holding company for the Islamic Bank. The 70-year-old, who was also educated in London, holds the Commander of the Order of the Niger as well as the Italian Order of Merit.
 
2009-12-26 08:38:52 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: WOW. yeah. great idea. let's terrorize average civilians because 0.001% of "Muzzies" as you call them, are extremists.
speaking of extremists, which backwoods bible camp gutter did you crawl out of?


It's a LOT more than 0.001% that are extremists.

The Muslim Brotherhood would like a word with you:

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It's certainly not 100%.... it's not 50%, but it's a much larger percentage of extremists than other groups. Worse is that for the sheer number of them, way too many "moderates" are unwilling to silence them and make changes for the better.
 
2009-12-26 08:38:53 PM  

Third_Uncle_Eno: from the article
The government was vague about the steps it was taking, saying it wanted the security experience to be "unpredictable" and that passengers would not find the same measures at every airport


These are the people you trust with the lives of you and those you care about!
Link (new window)
 
2009-12-26 08:39:05 PM  

AntiNorm: T.M.S.: Why is it inconsiderate to take a child on an airplane?

Because of the nonstop WAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

Ignoring all the TSA horse sh*t for a minute, I would pay extra to fly on childless flights. Either shut your crotch dropping up or don't f*cking fly.


Ya know, I've flown quite a bit, and the only time I've been bothered by a kid on a flight was the two kids watching a pokemon dvd without headphones, and I asked the mom to please have them use headphones, and she said they didn't want to. So that was a failure of parenting more than a bratty kid.

I flew to London this summer and sat across the aisle from a militarty wife flying solo with five kids from 8mos to 10 years. They were fantastic the entire flight (O'Hare to Heathrow). I offered to help her off the plane and through security though--she gladly accepted.

I'd rather fly with little kids next to me than some crabby-assed adult.
 
2009-12-26 08:39:12 PM  

T.M.S.: Second weirdest thing I ever had happen to me on a Commercial flight.


Way to leave us hanging!
 
2009-12-26 08:39:21 PM  
Like i needed another reason NOT to visit the USA.
Thanks America - you suck.
 
2009-12-26 08:39:29 PM  
Getting as much of an ironic laugh out of the right wing wharrgarbl as the "WTF happened to common sense?" responses.

Would-be terrorists will keep pulling this shiat as long as Washington keeps jerking its knee in response. How else can one 23-year old idiot jerk around an entire country? The only viable response to this crap is to do nothing - so what if a few nut jobs want to set fire to their shoes and get the shiat beat out of them by other passengers? No one other than the attacker was seriously injured.

9/11 was a huge success for Al-Qaeda, not least because Bush went after Saddam instead of them.


And BTW to the yeehahs - the guy who stopped him wasn't American, probably German judging by the name and accent, but could be Dutch.
 
2009-12-26 08:39:35 PM  

AntiNorm: T.M.S.: Why is it inconsiderate to take a child on an airplane?

Because of the nonstop WAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.



Have you considerd taking medication when you fly?

It might cut down on your non-stop crying.
 
2009-12-26 08:40:11 PM  
The bigger the waste of money a government agency is, the more ridiculous its justifications are for its continued existence. The TSA is a sinkhole of suck and this idiotic rule was the best they could do on short notice. Of course, in the real world, someone determined to blow themselves to bits is not going to give even the teensiest steamed turd about following "the rules."

"Hey Achmed, did you hear the TSA has banned people from getting up during the last hour of a flight?"

"NOW what shall we do? Curse those infidels! They are too clever for us!"
 
2009-12-26 08:41:35 PM  
(I'm using this thread to kill time until I pick my mom up from her flight in from Detroit, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies....)
 
2009-12-26 08:42:43 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: gweilo8888: Reactionary nonsense that will not save a single life or make flying any safer - just increase the frustration and discontent of the traveling public in the name of pretending to "do something".

You know, if I were Osama and I was trying to bring America to a halt, I'd just recruit a few kids to do random terrorist-like things at all the various stages of air travel. Do a nice spread and cover them all:

1. Do something in the nice crowded security line.
2. Do something at the gate.
3. Do something during taxi/takeoff.
4. Do something during the first hour of flight.
5. Do something during the middle of the flight.
6. Do something during the last hour of flight.
7. Do something while landing.
8. Do something at the baggage claim.

Of course, the geniuses in Homeland Security will have to react and place knee-jerk restrictions at each of those stages, grinding all air travel to a halt.



I just heard a TSA moron wet himself with fear, excitement, and confusion when he read your post.
 
2009-12-26 08:42:48 PM  
All the people who will complain don't have the first clue about how to run a security operation and will never have been shot at, or had their lives threatened in any meaningful way.

All the people who run security operations don't give the slightest fark about the feelings of those who complain.

The aim of terrorism is to disrupt your activity.

Mission Accomplished.
 
2009-12-26 08:43:56 PM  
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2009-12-26 08:44:49 PM  

zabadu: Use Burbank airport instead.


Burbank is in the US can can't deal with lots of Jumbos. A 5 minute stop over in Mexico before heading to LAX would reduce the expenses by the airlines since they would get to fly by easier rules for most of the flight.
 
2009-12-26 08:46:02 PM  

Meet Us at the Stick: T.M.S.: Second weirdest thing I ever had happen to me on a Commercial flight.

Way to leave us hanging!


New Delhi to NYC.

Quarantined for Pneumonic Plague. Guys in the Andromeda Strain suits, TV news, flight crew locked in the cockpit, the whole bit.
 
2009-12-26 08:46:11 PM  
I can only assume you dolts who get on planes full of crying babies are like you morons who go to theaters full of talking teenagers. I've yet to get on any flight where I was surrounded by shrieking babies, and I've been flying back & forth across the country since I was 5 myself. The worst experiences I ever had was sitting next to huge fat people (two different flights); I'd say that was nominal out of god knows how many times I've flown.

Tip: If you can't handle it, get a prescription for a sleep aid from your doctor and take it about 30 minutes before you fly. You all are just too high-strung to be enclosed in a plane if you have such terrible experiences.
 
2009-12-26 08:46:12 PM  

zabadu: DON.MAC: As someone who flies into LAX way too much, can someone build a real International airport in Tijuana? My next flight will be to Vancouver if I can find a way to avoid LAX

Use Burbank airport instead.


SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
 
2009-12-26 08:47:26 PM  

T.M.S.: Have you considerd taking medication when you fly?

It might cut down on your non-stop crying.


At least my crying doesn't annoy every single person on the goddamned plane. The same cannot be said of your little crotch dropping.
 
2009-12-26 08:47:32 PM  
They should allow Airlines to offer low-security flights, and give you a discount for not needing security screening. No one is going to ever sucsessfully hijack a US airliner again, so the only risk is they blow it up. Only people effected are those who choose low security. You could still screen for guns if you really want to, but no one with a box-cutter is going to get anywhere with it
 
2009-12-26 08:48:07 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I can only assume you dolts who get on planes full of crying babies are like you morons who go to theaters full of talking teenagers.


No one told me that living in a society would bring me into contact with humans and their behavior.
 
2009-12-26 08:48:46 PM  

Gyrfalcon: NeedleGuy: from one news link: Dr Mutallab is said to have warned the US authorities about his son's extreme views six months ago. Abdulmutallab was reportedly on a security watch list,

So the US authorities knew about this guy, he was on a security watch list and still was able to fly into the United States with no questions asked.

I guess you don't get much for the trillion dollars our government has spent on the War on TerrorTM these days.

BECAUSE HE GOT ON THE PLANE SOMEPLACE ELSE!!!

I don't know why that seems to be eluding everyone. US authorities can know a guy wants to murder the President; but that's not going to help if the assassin buys a ticket in Nigeria and gets on the plane in Lagos with a layover in Amsterdam. F*ck


He had a US visa that was good thru 2011.
The US homeland security (or WTF it calls itself these days)
REQUIRES persons from visa waiver countries (UK, etc) register with the US government
Link (new window)

Nobody in the EU WANTS to visit the US.
I'm a US citizen and I don't want to visit. I travel all over for work and visiting the US is the worst
 
2009-12-26 08:48:46 PM  

funsized: (I'm using this thread to kill time until I pick my mom up from her flight in from Detroit, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies....)


Well let me help you kill some more time.

This better world the our Government and the TSA want us to live in...about that...

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2009-12-26 08:49:38 PM  
I'm getting sick of this.

It's getting to the point where I'm about ready to swear off commercial airlines for everything but inter-continental travel.

The more of an invasive hassle flying becomes, the more attractive Amtrak becomes as an alternative. No matter how much longer it takes.

You hear that, terrorists? You've won. You've made flying absolutely suck for millions of Americans, and you've made our own government do it to us. Congratulations.
 
2009-12-26 08:49:58 PM  

TheSignPost: All the people who will complain The TSA don't have the first clue about how to run a security operation and will never have been shot at, or had their lives threatened in any meaningful way.

All the people who run security operations don't give the slightest fark about the feelings of those who complain.

The aim of terrorism is to disrupt your activity.

Mission Accomplished.