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(The New York Times)   Flying to suck even harder - new restrictions after Nigerian bomber include not leaving one's seat for the last hour of flight   (nytimes.com) divider line 599
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2009-12-26 02:01:39 PM
Meh - just hand out diapers at the gate and strap everyone down with a padlocked seatbelt
 
2009-12-26 02:37:33 PM
Let's just start putting everyone in hibernation chambers when we check in.
 
2009-12-26 02:42:40 PM
Flying sucks enough as it is. My tinfoil hat theory says this whole thing was hatched by the airlines to decrease the number of people flying with them and hence, the number of complaints.

That, and they need some more ways around the upcoming "passenger rights" legislation too.
 
2009-12-26 02:49:59 PM
CougarJeff: Let's just start putting everyone in hibernation chambers when we check in.

I wouldn't mind that. At least flying would be less annoying. The last flight I went on was 20% babies, 20% bratty little kids, and 30% morbidly obese people taking up two seats even though they only paid for one.
 
2009-12-26 03:12:44 PM
If you got to pee, don't want until the last minute to head to the loo. Either plan ahead or just whip it out and pee on the seat in front of you.
 
2009-12-26 04:20:46 PM
Actually, what it means is that anyone who jumps up to stop a plane-burning douchebag in the last hour of flight is in violation of federal law.
 
2009-12-26 04:44:21 PM
Bucky Katt: If you got to pee, don't want until the last minute to head to the loo. Either plan ahead or just whip it out and pee on the seat in front of you.

Use those little bags they give you.
 
2009-12-26 05:30:35 PM
Goddamnit. Every time airline security restrictions start getting reasonable, some dumbass lights himself on fire and we're back to square one.
 
2009-12-26 05:32:38 PM
This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.
 
2009-12-26 05:32:58 PM
-this is just the beginning. Obamacare will use these rules are a prelude to destroy any chance you might have for life saving surgery

-at least during Mr. Bush's years we were FREE to walk around or go to the washroom in the last hour of the flight.

-the bobmer is really a close relative of Obama and was paid by him to attack America.

-its because Obama is a secret muslin and wants to destroy america that the calls from this bomber-wannabe were ignored...


//does that cover all angles? or i missed something
 
2009-12-26 05:33:46 PM
Yeah.

THAT will keep us safer.
 
2009-12-26 05:37:35 PM
my favorite was when they banned all liquids. so, in essence, they were banning a state of matter. what's next? ban all solids? gases? bose-einstein condensates?
 
2009-12-26 05:48:42 PM
FlashHarry: my favorite was when they banned all liquids. so, in essence, they were banning a state of matter. what's next? ban all solids? gases? bose-einstein condensates?

The "ban on all electronic devices" (not sure if true yet) will be the end of airline travel for anyone not traveling outside of their country of origin (assuming driving or alternate transport is available).

When people can't use their cell phone, blackberry, laptop (with airline provided wireless connectivity) or their kindle, airlines are done. It's one thing to start charging checked bag fees, it's quite another to tell passengers that you get to piss into one of the beverage cups provided 2 hours prior and that you aren't allowed to read anything not in paper form. FFS, are they trying to increase the weight of luggage or carry-on baggage? Some of us read on long flights, are they really going to restrict electronic readers?

It's a good thing a minority of us actually read books anymore.
 
2009-12-26 05:50:34 PM
Score another victory for the terrorists.
 
2009-12-26 05:51:21 PM
Kyosuke: Score another victory for the terrorists.

What's pathetic is that some people think you're being sarcastic. You're really, really not. That's exactly what this is.
 
2009-12-26 05:58:41 PM
7of7: The last flight I went on was 20% babies, 20% bratty little kids, and 30% morbidly obese people taking up two seats even though they only paid for one.

So, mostly Americans?

/sorry, it's a disease
 
zz9
2009-12-26 05:59:38 PM
I am struggling to think of any single measure that is as easy to get around as this. So a terrorist can't set off his bomb in the last hour? So he sets it off a few minutes earlier. Job done.

This is like saying "He was wearing a blue jacket! Lets ban all blue jackets!"
 
2009-12-26 06:06:37 PM
snuff3r: So, mostly Americans?

Exactly.
 
2009-12-26 06:11:28 PM
FlashHarry: my favorite was when they banned all liquids. so, in essence, they were banning a state of matter. what's next? ban all solids? gases? bose-einstein condensates?

I fully support the banning of Bose-Einstein condensates.
 
2009-12-26 06:12:17 PM
The passengers seem to be better at protecting the plane than the TSA. Just have the stewardesses give people permission to beat the hell out of terrorists during their pre-flight "Here's how to use the seat belt" briefing.
 
2009-12-26 06:14:31 PM
People move too goddamm much on airplanes as it is.
 
2009-12-26 06:19:03 PM
Well I guess that means if someone is sitting down attempting to light a bomb, no one can get up and restrain them. Makes sense.
 
2009-12-26 06:30:09 PM
So at the end of the flight when the child has been doing their best to sit still and be quiet for hours is the perfect time to take away distractions. No snacks, no toys, no books, no movies or iPods. And nothing for the adults who would like to ignore any little ones.

Just great.
 
2009-12-26 06:42:00 PM
We need to hire even more flunkies to harass screen passengers or maybe just start strapping people down to their seats for the duration of the flight. That'll work. Why always such low-tech measures? Shouldn't the US have the most sophisticated and high-tech security solutions in the world? Like Total recall-style body scanners and security agents who can read and shiat. We can afford that. We're still a rich country, right?
 
2009-12-26 06:56:32 PM
Why doesn't the TSA just gang and bound us and insert butt plugs up our rectums? That would make air travel safe.
 
2009-12-26 07:02:46 PM
Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.
 
2009-12-26 07:03:07 PM
ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.

I have a cross-country flight in 14 hours.
 
2009-12-26 07:05:50 PM
I'd love to take the train, but I just priced out the cost of going from LA to OH on Amtrak (getting a family bedroom - 3 days is a bit much in only a chair)

~$2000 - one way!!
 
2009-12-26 07:09:19 PM
DamnYankees: ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.

I have a cross-country flight in 14 hours.


Awesome, I'm flying from Amsterdam to the US next month.
/KLM has already changed my flight
 
2009-12-26 07:13:47 PM
I have HAD IT with the TSA. Some idiot lights a firecracker, and they implement kneejerk feel-good measures that won't do a goddamned motherf*cking thing to stop someone who really is a terrorist. And on top of that, half of the TSA goons I have encountered (both in airports and here on Fark) are mouth-breathing assholes with God complexes. They think they're Jack Bauer, but they fail to realize that they are glorified mall cops.
 
2009-12-26 07:14:52 PM
Until all passengers are stripped naked, shackled and chained to their seats, airline travel will never be safe.
 
2009-12-26 07:21:47 PM
Well, I certainly feel safer now with yet another ACT to the play at the security theater.
 
2009-12-26 07:26:47 PM
CougarJeff: Let's just start putting everyone in hibernation chambers when we check in.

i270.photobucket.com
www.alicia-logic.com

If these are my handlers I'm all for it
 
2009-12-26 07:27:43 PM
I was waiting to hear what they'd do.

My mom's flying home from Detroit today--picking her up in two hours. Curious to hear what she says.
 
2009-12-26 07:28:51 PM
ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.

Kindly post your itinerary so we can avoid your flight.
 
2009-12-26 07:29:04 PM
zz9: I am struggling to think of any single measure that is as easy to get around as this. So a terrorist can't set off his bomb in the last hour? So he sets it off a few minutes earlier. Job done.

This is like saying "He was wearing a blue jacket! Lets ban all blue jackets!"


Exactly. I'm sure any potential terrorists are going to go "Well, shiat, I was supposed to set this off in the last hour but I guess that's illegal now. Darn!" They seem to be terribly focused on the legality of their actions, after all.
 
2009-12-26 07:29:45 PM
So this uberschmuck had a powder substance taped to his legs, and used a syringe of fluid to try to ignite it. So how in the holy heck does not getting up during the last hour, or not having anything on your lap help matters at all?!?!?!

As someone who has no choice but to fly 3-4 times a year for training/business, this is going to suck horribly!
 
2009-12-26 07:29:45 PM
Wow, what a reasonable and well thought out reaction.
 
2009-12-26 07:29:49 PM
A young Muslim male attempted to set off an incendiary device. Obviously, then, we must tell your white grandmother to stay in her frakking seat and pee her pants if she can't hold it.
Cause, you know, profiling is, like, wrong.
Frak you, Janet Napolitano, and the inbred, leprous horse you rode in on. It's your job to keep the motherfrakking terrorists OFF the motherfrakking plane, and you failed. The passengers saved their own arses, and you respond by PENALIZING THE PASSENGERS! You are a frakking idiot, and your president has failed to change ANYTHING.

Why don't you take a lesson from El Al, who have not experienced a hijacking since 23 July 1968.

Oh, that's right. They aren't politically correct. You frakking moron.
 
2009-12-26 07:30:00 PM
ultraholland: CougarJeff: Let's just start putting everyone in hibernation chambers when we check in.

If these are my handlers I'm all for it


BBBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT. I'd let her handle me but not Ruby... never Ruby Rod.
 
2009-12-26 07:30:01 PM
ultraholland: If these are my handlers I'm all for it

You just like the ones that cream themselves when you talk to 'em.

/Super-green!
 
2009-12-26 07:30:29 PM
So air travel is free now? I mean we pay for this bullshiat?

The only people flying in the future will be masochists.

I know I primarily use overland travel, if this keeps up if transatlantic flights become a necessity I'll drive into Mexico and depart from there. fark the USA's homeland security nonsense.
 
2009-12-26 07:31:17 PM
illegal to get up within the final hour.... mmmm Why don't they just make it illegal to try to terrorize a plane? Making a rule against it will stop the terrorists, right?
 
rpm
2009-12-26 07:32:30 PM
funsized: Exactly. I'm sure any potential terrorists are going to go "Well, shiat, I was supposed to set this off in the last hour but I guess that's illegal now. Darn!" They seem to be terribly focused on the legality of their actions, after all.

And it's easy to get around. Take exlax before the flight. Crap your pants. They'll *send* you to the bathroom, last hour or not.
 
2009-12-26 07:33:51 PM
Absolutely freakin' retarded...

Hey I have an idea, let's let the gov't control our health care too!

Thanks, Empty Suit supporters.
 
2009-12-26 07:34:26 PM
MRIman: illegal to get up within the final hour.

God forbid your plane gets put into a holding pattern... or diverted because of weather... Now it becomes illegal to get up within the final 3 hours...
 
2009-12-26 07:35:19 PM
CougarJeff: Bucky Katt: If you got to pee, don't want until the last minute to head to the loo. Either plan ahead or just whip it out and pee on the seat in front of you.

Use those little bags they give you.


I was on a domestic flight with my daughter who really needed to pee, and the stewardess (am I allowed to call them that?) told me that she couldn't give me permission to take my daughter to the lav. (But it was clear she meant that I should take my daughter to the lav.)

I don't know how many laws we broke, or what would have happened on an i11l flight.
 
2009-12-26 07:35:31 PM
Hau Ruck: It's a good thing a minority of us actually read books anymore.

This sentence makes me cry even in context.
 
2009-12-26 07:35:49 PM
Note to suicide bombers on planes: blow shiat up more than 1 hour before landing.

What a stupid farking rule.
 
2009-12-26 07:36:26 PM
DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

THIS.

Start strip-searching the brown-skin guys with beards. They're the ones responsible. That's not racism, that's simple statistics. (Muslim male, 17-40 years old, we've all seen that e-mail by now) But our leaders won't come out and say it. Cowards.
 
MIU
2009-12-26 07:36:28 PM
Hau Ruck: When people can't use their cell phone, blackberry, laptop (with airline provided wireless connectivity) or their kindle, airlines are done. It's one thing to start charging checked bag fees, it's quite another to tell passengers that you get to piss into one of the beverage cups provided 2 hours prior and that you aren't allowed to read anything not in paper form. FFS, are they trying to increase the weight of luggage or carry-on baggage? Some of us read on long flights, are they really going to restrict electronic readers?

How the fark else am I going to make a business trip from Toronto to Sunnyvale, CA?

Airlines will do just fine because many of us don't have a choice. (Yet.)

I can haz high-speed rail?
 
2009-12-26 07:36:29 PM
Say it isn't so... ANOTHER MUSLIM trying to attack America?


but but but but I thought they were PEACEFUL?
 
2009-12-26 07:36:43 PM
Snarfangel: The passengers seem to be better at protecting the plane than the TSA. Just have the stewardesses give people permission to beat the hell out of terrorists during their pre-flight "Here's how to use the seat belt" briefing.

Beating someone with those seatbelts definitely would work. The flight attendants could even demonstrate some locks and holds!

rpm: funsized: Exactly. I'm sure any potential terrorists are going to go "Well, shiat, I was supposed to set this off in the last hour but I guess that's illegal now. Darn!" They seem to be terribly focused on the legality of their actions, after all.

And it's easy to get around. Take exlax before the flight. Crap your pants. They'll *send* you to the bathroom, last hour or not.


There have definitely been some shiats I've smelled on planes that should've been considered terrorism.

Seriously, though, it's just a matter of time. Put the incendiary substance in a plastic bag, put it up your ass or just swallow it, mule-style, and then crap it out partway through the flight. Voila! Not like it's hard to figure out. There's no number of measures that can absolutely prevent passengers from being able to perform acts of terrorism on a plane, short of there simply being no passengers, which is certainly what the TSA seems to be driving for at this rate.

/would work for getting more shampoo in too
//depending on how big your ass is
 
2009-12-26 07:37:08 PM
peachy92: Why doesn't the TSA just gang and bound us and insert butt plugs up our rectums? That would make air travel safe.

May not make air travel safer, but it would make it more exciting.
 
2009-12-26 07:37:21 PM
logicalman: Absolutely freakin' retarded...

Hey I have an idea, let's let the gov't control our health care too!

Thanks, Empty Suit supporters.


I like it. This is a good twist on a classic.
 
2009-12-26 07:37:26 PM
Unbelievable.

I voted for Obama to stop this idiocy, not continue it.

/For your Freepers about to say it: this would have happened under a McCain admin too.
//I don't regret voting Obama (the alternative was Caribou Barbie), just wish he had a bigger spine to say "this is farking ridiculous" and cancel the TSA.
 
2009-12-26 07:37:56 PM
What's the big deal about the last hour of the flight?

The only critical windows are taking off and landing, and they already order you to sit by lighting the seatbelt sign.

/The terrorists are winning.
 
2009-12-26 07:38:16 PM
SapperInTexas: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

THIS.

Start strip-searching the brown-skin guys with beards. They're the ones responsible. That's not racism, that's simple statistics. (Muslim male, 17-40 years old, we've all seen that e-mail by now) But our leaders won't come out and say it. Cowards.


Oh god. You're a farking idiot also. Please don't associate yourself with my comment.
 
2009-12-26 07:38:25 PM
Snarfangel: The passengers seem to be better at protecting the plane than the TSA. Just have the stewardesses give people permission to beat the hell out of terrorists during their pre-flight "Here's how to use the seat belt" briefing.

I totally read that as "Here's how to use the seat belt to beat the hell out of terrorists". Newsletter, subscribe, illustrated version please.
 
2009-12-26 07:39:03 PM
So, what prize does the farker get who Boobiess the news article where someone is fined, banned and/or arrested for whizzing (or worse) in their seat, floor, seat(s) in front of them because they were not allowed up??
 
2009-12-26 07:39:19 PM
On the positive side, this should mean that I never again have to attend a conference in the US. Because there won't be any. On the negative side, flying to Europe is bloody expensive.
 
2009-12-26 07:39:25 PM
If the goal in all this is to make me hate the people responsible for this extra stupidity, it's working.
 
2009-12-26 07:39:40 PM
peachy92: Why doesn't the TSA just gang and bound us and insert butt plugs up our rectums? That would make air travel safe.

..and even twice as enticing. Not to mention just plane naughty.
 
2009-12-26 07:39:57 PM
This makes no sense at all. Making a bunch of old people piss in their seats, for what? If someone gets up anyways, what do you think is going to happen? The flight attendant will be asking nicely for them to sit down. If that person is a terrorist they just ignore it anyways.
 
2009-12-26 07:40:16 PM
SapperInTexas: Start strip-searching the brown-skin guys with beards. They're the ones responsible. That's not racism, that's simple statistics. (Muslim male, 17-40 years old, we've all seen that e-mail by now) But our leaders won't come out and say it. Cowards.

Congratulations! You win the "Dumbest Comment of the Day" award.

\now all I have left is the Fickle Finger of Fate award.
 
2009-12-26 07:40:22 PM
It's stupid and I hate it. On the flip side, when people start screaming loud enough, they'll back off. It's only so they can seem to be doing *something*.
 
2009-12-26 07:40:44 PM
phrawgh: peachy92: Why doesn't the TSA just gang and bound us and insert butt plugs up our rectums? That would make air travel safe.

..and even twice as enticing. Not to mention just plane naughty.


They could even be plane-shaped! The wings could be the flared base so it doesn't get sucked in.
 
2009-12-26 07:41:50 PM
And still everybody dances around the actual problem:

MUSLIMS ON AIRPLANES!

Shrinkwrap the bastards before loading them on the plane. Profile and search them from their toenails to last follicle on their farking heads!

I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.

What's it going to take for people to come to their senses?

If guys wearing clown noses were running around in the street shooting people, how long would it take for the police to start grabbing and searching anybody wearing a clown nose in public? Not very long. Why, why, why won't we do the obvious farking thing and search Muslims? How many innocent people have to be butchered before we do this?
 
2009-12-26 07:42:02 PM
I'll wait for the first person with irritable bowel syndrome or Crohn's to take a dump in their seat, and then sue over the humiliation. And the rest of the passengers can sue for suffering.
 
2009-12-26 07:42:26 PM
He was trying to light the powder in his pants. I'm surprised they didn't ban pants.

/THANKS A LOT ASSHATS
 
2009-12-26 07:42:37 PM
I just don't fly nowadays. I won't deliver myself into the mercy of mouth-breathing, minimum-wage spastics with guns.
 
2009-12-26 07:42:44 PM
mark12A: I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.

They are also all men. Should we do the same thing with all males?
 
2009-12-26 07:43:14 PM
I thought this was a joke when I heard it on the radio today. Really?
 
2009-12-26 07:43:20 PM
SapperInTexas: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

THIS.

Start strip-searching the brown-skin guys with beards. They're the ones responsible. That's not racism, that's simple statistics. (Muslim male, 17-40 years old, we've all seen that e-mail by now) But our leaders won't come out and say it. Cowards.


Correlation != causation.

Besides, BAM, problem solved. Foundation and shaving. The only way to literally screen in a way to effectively do this is to strip- and cavity-search all terrorists getting on the plan. Problem is, there is no ACTUAL way to identify terrorists preemptively unless they've committed prior acts. "Brown-skin guys with beards" isn't sufficient, they'll just send white or beardless or female ones instead.
 
2009-12-26 07:43:21 PM
skippy.fluff: Snarfangel: The passengers seem to be better at protecting the plane than the TSA. Just have the stewardesses give people permission to beat the hell out of terrorists during their pre-flight "Here's how to use the seat belt" briefing.

I totally read that as "Here's how to use the seat belt to beat the hell out of terrorists". Newsletter, subscribe, illustrated version please.


I like it. Me too.

/Seatbelts, please
 
2009-12-26 07:43:22 PM
As people have already stated, the next attacker will just perform the attack before the 1 hour limit, all this does is to piss of people flying even more. Besides, the next big attack won't be made using an airplane. It's easier to get into Canada or Mexico(or any country south of Mexico) then into the US. From there you can walk or drive or use a boat. Buy or steal loads of fertilizer and diesel and start blowing up Walmart stores, sport venues etc.
And a few months after that people will be forced to shop at Walmart and watch sports naked.....


/Hello to the friendly guys from NSA
 
2009-12-26 07:43:31 PM
www.brawlsnapshots.com
 
2009-12-26 07:43:42 PM
stjohn: Actually, what it means is that anyone who jumps up to stop a plane-burning douchebag in the last hour of flight is in violation of federal law.

THIS.
 
2009-12-26 07:43:47 PM
This is an outrage! We should boycott all Nigerian goods!
 
2009-12-26 07:44:03 PM
They had a similar requirement for flights into and out of National Airport for a while, except it was a half hour, not an hour. It wasn't that big of a deal to me, but I hardly ever get out of my seat anyway. But you could have personal items with you then - if they take my books or mp3 player away from me, they'd better provide extra drink service.
 
2009-12-26 07:44:10 PM
I've reduced my air travel to once per year, because of such suckage.
 
2009-12-26 07:44:32 PM
Here's a two-step solution.

1. Give workers more vacation time so they have other alternatives to flying.

2. Give workers other alternatives to flying.

/also, people should consider that just because they can fly half way round the world doesn't mean they should. take a look at recent photos of Everest.
 
2009-12-26 07:44:39 PM
DamnYankees: mark12A: I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.

They are also all men. Should we do the same thing with all males?


They are training women to be suicide bombers now.
 
2009-12-26 07:44:42 PM
mark12A: And still everybody dances around the actual problem:

MUSLIMS ON AIRPLANES!

Shrinkwrap the bastards before loading them on the plane. Profile and search them from their toenails to last follicle on their farking heads!

I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.

What's it going to take for people to come to their senses?

If guys wearing clown noses were running around in the street shooting people, how long would it take for the police to start grabbing and searching anybody wearing a clown nose in public? Not very long. Why, why, why won't we do the obvious farking thing and search Muslims? How many innocent people have to be butchered before we do this?


Couldn't a Muslim person just, uh, say they weren't Muslim? Or is there a blood test or something now?

/not that I don't agree
 
2009-12-26 07:44:43 PM
this kinda shiat it why I don't fly unless there is an ocean between me and where I'm going.
 
x23
2009-12-26 07:45:02 PM
ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.

i really wish inconsiderate pricks like you would take a hint and NOT FLY. literally no one cares about your precious cherub. drive. have the grandparents visit YOU. for the love of god... just stay off the GD plane.

believe it or not... your 23-month old has no important business to tend to across the country. somehow we managed to survive as a society before the days of commodity air travel.
 
2009-12-26 07:45:03 PM
i really love flying in airplanes,but really,to me,if i need to take a commercial flight to get somewhere anymore,its just not worth it. havent flown since 2002,the goon squads were enough for me to just say no to anymore future flying. if i can hop on someones private plane,ill gladly go but no more commercial flights for me if its at all possible for me to get there on the ground. might cost me a couple days on both ends of a trip,but id rather drive then put up with this madness. of course,im old and remember times when you could just go to the airport and buy a ticket and get on a plane and go somewhere without spending hours clearing security. think im gonna buy a landyacht and terrorize the highways instead.
 
2009-12-26 07:45:21 PM
Until they clear all people actually LOADING THE AIRCRAFT or working as mechanics on the aircraft, there's no way to ensure safety.
 
2009-12-26 07:45:30 PM
Well that makes my job hunt easier. I will only look for 0% travel.
 
2009-12-26 07:45:55 PM
Quel: This makes no sense at all. Making a bunch of old people piss in their seats, for what? If someone gets up anyways, what do you think is going to happen? The flight attendant will be asking nicely for them to sit down. If that person is a terrorist they just ignore it anyways.

Nice illustration. It's just like "banning" handguns in a city...let's say in Washington, D.C.....because the bad guys will follow the "ban" and not use handguns to kill people, right?

I fly a lot, and I can tell you that there are a LOT of grannies and frail freaks who are working as stewardesses, and just about ANY terrorist would be able to overpower all of THEM anyway.
 
2009-12-26 07:46:10 PM
mark12A: And still everybody dances around the actual problem:

MUSLIMS ON AIRPLANES!

Shrinkwrap the bastards before loading them on the plane. Profile and search them from their toenails to last follicle on their farking heads!

I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.

What's it going to take for people to come to their senses?

If guys wearing clown noses were running around in the street shooting people, how long would it take for the police to start grabbing and searching anybody wearing a clown nose in public? Not very long. Why, why, why won't we do the obvious farking thing and search Muslims? How many innocent people have to be butchered before we do this?


FUNDAMENTALIST and EXTREMIST Muslims are the problem, not Muslims themselves. There is no super ultra magical tenet of Islam that make people crazy, but there are super ultra crazy people who use fundamentalist Islam as a convenient cover and excuse for the beliefs they force and surround others with.

If we're using that logic, we shouldn't let any veterans into buildings because of what McVeigh did, and I would hope that anyone would see how farking stupid that is.
 
2009-12-26 07:46:16 PM
AbbeySomeone: DamnYankees: mark12A: I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.

They are also all men. Should we do the same thing with all males?

They are training women to be suicide bombers now.


How terrifying.
 
2009-12-26 07:46:40 PM
I almost never fly anywhere, so this will not effect me too much. That being said, I'm thinking about booking a flight soon. Before I get on, I'm going to shove a road flare or something up my ass and then try to light it on the plane. I have no desire to actually harm the plane (I don't really want to die), but the end result would be hilarious. Cavity searches for everyone!! I'll be laughing at you frequent fliers from my jail cell.
 
2009-12-26 07:46:49 PM
"Nigerian bomber"

Yeah, noting that he's Nigerian is far more relevant than the ties to Al Queda or Islam.
 
2009-12-26 07:46:57 PM
On one flight, from Newark Airport, flight attendants kept cabin lights on for the entire trip instead of dimming them for takeoff and landing.

Ahh there is a REAL safety reason they do this and it has nothing to do with terrorists or hijackers. Nice to see safety take a seat behind TSA BS
 
2009-12-26 07:47:21 PM
mark12A: And still everybody dances around the actual problem:

MUSLIMS BROWN PEOPLE ON AIRPLANES!


Fixed it for ya, you racist ass.
 
2009-12-26 07:47:24 PM
Two words: Anal Bomber.


\The horror of security would be horrific!
 
2009-12-26 07:47:50 PM
mark12A: And still everybody dances around the actual problem:

MUSLIMS ON AIRPLANES!

Shrinkwrap the bastards before loading them on the plane. Profile and search them from their toenails to last follicle on their farking heads!

I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.

What's it going to take for people to come to their senses?

If guys wearing clown noses were running around in the street shooting people, how long would it take for the police to start grabbing and searching anybody wearing a clown nose in public? Not very long. Why, why, why won't we do the obvious farking thing and search Muslims? How many innocent people have to be butchered before we do this?


Not to mention there's some magical litmus paper that will turn orange when you put it on a Muslim.
 
2009-12-26 07:47:52 PM
studebaker hoch: What's the big deal about the last hour of the flight?

The only critical windows are taking off and landing, and they already order you to sit by lighting the seatbelt sign.

/The terrorists are winning.


basically,i see this as a kneejerk reaction to this single instance.
wont make one bit of difference other then to make someone able to say well,we did something to prevent this didnt we.
 
2009-12-26 07:48:09 PM
zz9: I am struggling to think of any single measure that is as easy to get around as this. So a terrorist can't set off his bomb in the last hour? So he sets it off a few minutes earlier. Job done.

because one idiot decided to do it within that (arbitrary) timeframe, that means it is a clear and present danger.

Just like how one idiot tried to mix liquids and suddenly, all liquids are bad.

They ignore that, in all cases since 9/11/2001:
a) all of these attacks have failed
b) the countless flights where people had hand lotion or drinks or went to the bathroom with no incident

and most importantly, the true terrorists will find a way around any and all retarded rule that they come up with, which does nothing more than inconvenience and punish innocent travelers (the vast, vast majority.)
 
2009-12-26 07:48:16 PM
This is stupid in that there's nothing magical about the last hour of a flight. If an asshole wants to blow up a plane, he can do it just as easily at takeoff or at an hour and fifteen minutes before landing.

I'm afraid we are going to have to start profiling people like El Al Airlines does. The world sucks.
 
2009-12-26 07:49:13 PM
mark12A: And still everybody dances around the actual problem:

MUSLIMS ON AIRPLANES!

Shrinkwrap the bastards before loading them on the plane. Profile and search them from their toenails to last follicle on their farking heads!

I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.

What's it going to take for people to come to their senses?

If guys wearing clown noses were running around in the street shooting people, how long would it take for the police to start grabbing and searching anybody wearing a clown nose in public? Not very long. Why, why, why won't we do the obvious farking thing and search Muslims? How many innocent people have to be butchered before we do this?


Racial profiling doesn't work. Google Ann Marie Murphy.

It's a true story. She was the girlfriend of a nice Arab guy. She had no idea he wanted to blow up a jet. He went to Ireland with the purpose of seducing a white, Christian Irish woman to carry a bomb in HER luggage. He even got her pregnant to perfect the plan.

He stuck the bomb into her luggage and dropped her off at the airport. Figured security wouldn't suspect a pregnant Irish woman of having a bomb. Luckily she was carefully screened and the bomb was defused.

Muslims on a jihad are willing to kill their own unborn children and their loved ones just to murder infidels and would gladly do so to bypass racial profiling weaknesses.
 
2009-12-26 07:49:21 PM
funsized: FUNDAMENTALIST and EXTREMIST Muslims "people of all faith" are the problem, not Muslims themselves.

Now more accurate.
 
2009-12-26 07:49:33 PM
Actually, wait--I've solved it!

I finally figured it out.

Every terrorist is a human, right? SO JUST DON'T ALLOW ANY farkING HUMANS ON THE farkING AIRPLANES. Problem solved! Why stop at Muslims? I've heard that some of them can be white, too, or even come from SPAIN, so let's just not allow ANYONE on the planes! THERE WE GO PROBLEM SOLVED WHOO.
 
2009-12-26 07:49:36 PM
blacksho89: Frak this and frak that...

Ok, seriously.... Battlestar Galactica looked like a cool show. But the whole "frak" thing was retarded. It doesn't make up for their inability to really swear. It just makes them all sound like re-god-damn-diculous idiots. It's dumb as hell!

If you can't swear then don't or bleep it out. Use the lazy trick that cable has been using for years: "Fuc*beep*"

Frak sounds dumb. You sound dumb for using it. The show was dumb because of it.

/the end.
//I win.
///thread-jack over.
 
2009-12-26 07:50:42 PM
x23: ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.

i really wish inconsiderate pricks like you would take a hint and NOT FLY. literally no one cares about your precious cherub. drive. have the grandparents visit YOU. for the love of god... just stay off the GD plane.

believe it or not... your 23-month old has no important business to tend to across the country. somehow we managed to survive as a society before the days of commodity air travel.


I can't tell if your're serious or not. But if you are, well, I'm sure I'd much prefer sitting near the kid than sitting near you.
 
2009-12-26 07:51:00 PM
Honest Bender: Ok, seriously.... Battlestar Galactica looked like a cool show. But the whole "frak" thing was retarded. It doesn't make up for their inability to really swear. It just makes them all sound like re-god-damn-diculous idiots. It's dumb as hell!

If you can't swear then don't or bleep it out. Use the lazy trick that cable has been using for years: "Fuc*beep*"

Frak sounds dumb. You sound dumb for using it. The show was dumb because of it.


You've got sand in your bajingo, don't you.
 
2009-12-26 07:51:04 PM
SapperInTexas: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

THIS.

Start strip-searching the brown-skin guys with beards. They're the ones responsible. That's not racism, that's simple statistics. (Muslim male, 17-40 years old, we've all seen that e-mail by now) But our leaders won't come out and say it. Cowards.



While in theory that works just great, in practice it doesn't. As an example look at what happened with pulling over young black male drivers because they are more likely to have committed a crime. After a while, a lot of the law abiding blacks said f*ck it, and decided that the police are now their enemy. Similarly, after young Sayid has been rectally probed for the seventh time in a given year, he's probably less likely to consider his cousin's large purchases of ammonium nitrate as something that should be reported.

TSA and the Feds are smart on that account. They know that once the general Muslim population has turned against them, they're done. Intel is the most effective weapon in this war.

You think things are bad now, wait until "Flying while Arab" becomes the new "Driving while Black".
 
2009-12-26 07:51:10 PM
Kyosuke: funsized: FUNDAMENTALIST and EXTREMIST Muslims "people of all faith" are the problem, not Muslims themselves.

Now more accurate.


Absolutely. Given that the OP in this case specified Muslims, though, I ran with it.

Actually, we don't even need "people of faith" in there. Fundamentalists and extremists that adhere to any certain dogma, religious or not, are going to be an issue. Intolerance just doesn't play well with others.
 
2009-12-26 07:51:19 PM
funsized: McVeigh

His greatest achievement is being the one guy anyone ever lists to say "look it's not just Muslims."

But McVeigh never went after an airplane. The only non-islamic hijackers I can think of are... well... ... um... DB Cooper.
 
2009-12-26 07:51:36 PM
Befuddled: I'm afraid we are going to have to start profiling people like El Al Airlines does.

I see the righties have their talking points already, since I've been seeing this multiple times.

Profiling is not what makes El Al successful. And you're naive to think we're currently NOT profiling - it's just not official.

When something like this happens, you righties prefer to advance your political agenda, rather than address the problem.
 
2009-12-26 07:51:38 PM
This is why we need a Jimmy Dean Airline!
 
2009-12-26 07:52:23 PM
can we now please get bomb-sniffing dogs at the airport security check and be done with putting-up with this incompetent, overdone travesty that is the TSA?
 
2009-12-26 07:52:25 PM
Mors: But McVeigh never went after an airplane. The only non-islamic hijackers I can think of are... well... ... um... DB Cooper.

splunge.net.au
 
2009-12-26 07:52:26 PM
Mors: The only non-islamic hijackers I can think of are... well... ... um... DB Cooper.

And all those Cuban terrorists. And Irish.
 
2009-12-26 07:52:42 PM
x23: ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.

i really wish inconsiderate pricks like you would take a hint and NOT FLY. literally no one cares about your precious cherub. drive. have the grandparents visit YOU. for the love of god... just stay off the GD plane.

believe it or not... your 23-month old has no important business to tend to across the country. somehow we managed to survive as a society before the days of commodity air travel.


Why is it inconsiderate to take a child on an airplane?
 
B A [TotalFark]
2009-12-26 07:52:50 PM
I've said it before, I'll say it again: Make everybody fly naked. BONUS: The eye-bleach companys will increase sales.
 
2009-12-26 07:53:01 PM
DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

Give me liberty or give me death but only if it's safe!
 
2009-12-26 07:53:09 PM
stupid stupid stupid
 
2009-12-26 07:53:15 PM
penthesilea [TotalFark] Quote 2009-12-26 06:30:09 PM
So at the end of the flight when the child has been doing their best to sit still and be quiet for hours is the perfect time to take away distractions. No snacks, no toys, no books, no movies or iPods. And nothing for the adults who would like to ignore any little ones.

Just great.farkING THIS. I fly in four days with two kids and now you're telling me they have to sit still and be quiet, no toys, no books, no games, no nothing. Yeah. That's gonna work out farkING PERFECTLY!! GODDAMN MUTHERFARKING ASSHOLES!!! I could go on but I won't. I'll just keep it inside.

/hate being the mom with the whiny kid and was gonna do my DAMNED LEVEL BEST to make sure that didn't happen.
 
2009-12-26 07:53:25 PM
T.M.S.: Why is it inconsiderate to take a child on an airplane?

Because x23 is a misanthropic, self-involved fark.
 
2009-12-26 07:53:29 PM
Step 1. Charge for checked luggage.
Step 2. Restrict access to carry-ons.
Step 3. Disallow carry-ons.
Step 4. Profit.
 
2009-12-26 07:53:32 PM
Question... why does anyone even fly domestic anymore? My last flight was almost a full year ago now and frankly I think that it will be my last ever. If I need to get across the entire US I'll just drive thanks.
 
2009-12-26 07:53:52 PM
Airfoilsguy: On one flight, from Newark Airport, flight attendants kept cabin lights on for the entire trip instead of dimming them for takeoff and landing.

Ahh there is a REAL safety reason they do this and it has nothing to do with terrorists or hijackers. Nice to see safety take a seat behind TSA BS


Curious. Whats the safety reason?
 
2009-12-26 07:54:13 PM
As an airline pilot, my concern is not with those onboard the plane. This flight shows exactly what would happen if another hijacking is attempted. My concern is with those that have access to the plane while its still on the groud. Every day, thousand of airport workers (shop employees, cleaners, rampers, etc.) are allowed to bypass TSA and get inside security through their own entrance without any screening precautions whatsoever. These people can bring anything inside the secured area and potentionaly plant something on a plane without so much as a metal detector stopping them.

/ jealous pilot that has to go through the Tub Stacking Association line just like everyone else.
 
2009-12-26 07:54:31 PM
Really royally pissed, especially since this had to happen right before I go on a transatlantic trip. Jerks.
 
2009-12-26 07:54:37 PM
x23: ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.

i really wish inconsiderate pricks like you would take a hint and NOT FLY. literally no one cares about your precious cherub. drive. have the grandparents visit YOU. for the love of god... just stay off the GD plane.

believe it or not... your 23-month old has no important business to tend to across the country. somehow we managed to survive as a society before the days of commodity air travel.


Because God only knows that there are certainly no circumstances where a child has to fly--certainly relatives that live internationally are never ill, and parents never take jobs too far away to drive to, and people never move cross-country!
 
2009-12-26 07:54:46 PM
Annnnd... once again, terrorists SUCCESSFULLY use one person to change the way of life in the Land of the Free* and the Home of the Brave**.


* Offer applies in limited areas only
** American brand Brave, no bearing on actual bravery
 
2009-12-26 07:54:57 PM
stjohn: Actually, what it means is that anyone who jumps up to stop a plane-burning douchebag in the last hour of flight is in violation of federal law.

Don't worry, you just sit back and obey the law. I'm sure there is no way that getting up to stop a terrorist attack would be overlooked. Tool.
 
2009-12-26 07:55:12 PM
trouzourt: -this is just the beginning. Obamacare will use these rules are a prelude to destroy any chance you might have for life saving surgery

-at least during Mr. Bush's years we were FREE to walk around or go to the washroom in the last hour of the flight.

-the bobmer is really a close relative of Obama and was paid by him to attack America.


-its because Obama is a secret muslin and wants to destroy america that the calls from this bomber-wannabe were ignored...


//does that cover all angles? or i missed something



You forgot to say unfavorable things about Jesus and homosexuals. 4.5/10.
 
2009-12-26 07:55:27 PM
beoswulf: "Nigerian bomber"

Yeah, noting that he's Nigerian is far more relevant than the ties to Al Queda or Islam.


It was a safe bet, we already hate the Nigerians for other reasons and his father was a banker.
 
2009-12-26 07:55:37 PM
funsized: I've heard that some of them can be white, too, or even come from SPAIN...

There are no Moriscos in Espana.
 
2009-12-26 07:55:57 PM
this should put at least one carrier out of business by March. What a hassle...i don't know why anyone travels on a plan in the lower 48 states. Rent a car, take a train or any combination of the two and you will only add a little time to your trip and avoid interminable hassle and loss of dignity.
 
2009-12-26 07:56:08 PM
ZeroPly: TSA and the Feds are smart on that account. They know that once the general Muslim population has turned against them, they're done. Intel is the most effective weapon in this war.

You think things are bad now, wait until "Flying while Arab" becomes the new "Driving while Black".


That's true, America's Muslim population is the most liberal in the world. No more than 25% of young American Muslims support suicide bombings (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-eteraz/us-muslims-and-suicide-bo_b_49286.htm l (new window))compared to radically high numbers of European Muslims that have a level of support for terrorism rivaling any Middle Eastern nation.

That's no surprise considering that in the USA, Muslims are better educated and wealthier than the average America, satisfying the traditional Muslim goal of dominating the non-Muslim population, while in Europe Muslims are treated as second class citizens and ghettoized.
 
2009-12-26 07:56:16 PM
And the moment someone is arrested because they'd rather run to the restroom on the plane instead of pissing their pants, this shiat will end.

No, it won't end that day. There will be debates, "Why didn't he hold it, he knew the law and still broke it, punish him accordingly." and "This law is made to prevent the plane from being blown up, what risk was the plane in by not letting a 40 y.o. business man from Berkley go to the farking restroom?"

Someone in this thread already pointed out the solution, that farker said that the passengers are doing a better job keeping the planes safe than the TSA has been. I say we disband the TSA and arm the passengers. Nutjob tries to light some chemicals to blow up the plane, five passengers shoot to kill that person. Sounds like a solution to me. Now we'll have to use a gun and round that will kill (or at least wound) and not penetrate the windows or hull. Lethal might be bad if they miss and kill someone innocent, but non-lethal means a trial and tax payer money for the trial and to keep him alive in prison.
 
2009-12-26 07:56:25 PM
So, what, are planes explosion-proof up until an hour before landing? This is moronic.
 
2009-12-26 07:56:36 PM
prgrmr: can we now please get bomb-sniffing dogs at the airport security check and be done with putting-up with this incompetent, overdone travesty that is the TSA?

THIS. They're not 100% by any means, but a dog won't give a shiat if it smells the incendiaries on a sweet little pregnant woman or if that "brown-skinned Muslim guy" is looking suspicious but smells clean.
 
2009-12-26 07:56:36 PM
Jester41K: Tub Stacking Association

Heh. Nice.
 
2009-12-26 07:56:45 PM
asmodeus224: this should put at least one carrier out of business by March. What a hassle...i don't know why anyone travels on a plan in the lower 48 states. Rent a car, take a train or any combination of the two and you will only add a little time to your trip and avoid interminable hassle and loss of dignity.

There's no other practical way to go from NY to CA, sadly.
 
2009-12-26 07:56:58 PM
funsized: Because God only knows that there are certainly no circumstances where a child has to fly-

No, there are none. You don't get to invade everybody's personal space because you have a child screaming, kicking, and running up and down the aisles.
 
2009-12-26 07:57:05 PM
moops: When something like this happens, you righties prefer to advance your political agenda, rather than address the problem.

I am not a rightie, and exactly how do we address this problem?
 
2009-12-26 07:57:36 PM
unlikely: Annnnd... once again, terrorists SUCCESSFULLY use one person to change the way of life in the Land of the Free* and the Home of the Brave**.


* Offer applies in limited areas only
** American brand Brave, no bearing on actual bravery


This, basically.
 
2009-12-26 07:57:45 PM
trouzourt: -its because Obama is a secret muslin and wants to destroy america that the calls from this bomber-wannabe were ignored...


Secret muslin sounds really itchy and pretty impractical. Besides, most suits aren't made out of that, and even if his suits were, they wouldn't be very secret--who wears suits around at home?
 
2009-12-26 07:58:20 PM
Jarhead_h: Question... why does anyone even fly domestic anymore?

Because we do it a lot. A really, really lot.
 
2009-12-26 07:59:04 PM
After thinking about this a bit it makes me wonder if the policy makers are doing this to cause the general public to develop a hatred towards Muslims. The idea being that after being inconvenienced and humiliated the passengers will change their currently inclusive attitude.
 
2009-12-26 07:59:27 PM
SapperInTexas: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

THIS.

Start strip-searching the brown-skin guys with beards. They're the ones responsible. That's not racism, that's simple statistics. (Muslim male, 17-40 years old, we've all seen that e-mail by now) But our leaders won't come out and say it. Cowards.


Strip searches in America would not have done one damn bit of good in this case, dumbass. This guy got on the plane in either Nigeria or Amsterdam. He was never IN a US airport to BE searched. We can make people on domestic flights board and fly naked; but things like this will always happen as long as overseas airports don't do the same.

Oh, and BTW:
Mors: funsized:
But McVeigh never went after an airplane. The only non-islamic hijackers I can think of are... well... ... um... DB Cooper.


You either have a short memory or a limited worldview. The Japanese Red Army were the most awesome hijackers on the planet in their day; and Cubans were hijacking anything with wings after Castro took over. So if you can't "think" of any non-islamic hijackers, don't stop there: Do some research before you shoot your mouth off.
 
2009-12-26 07:59:29 PM

penthesilea [TotalFark] Quote 2009-12-26 06:30:09 PM
So at the end of the flight when the child has been doing their best to sit still and be quiet for hours is the perfect time to take away distractions. No snacks, no toys, no books, no movies or iPods. And nothing for the adults who would like to ignore any little ones.

Just great.




farkING THIS. I fly in four days with two kids and now you're telling me they have to sit still and be quiet, no toys, no books, no games, no nothing. Yeah. That's gonna work out farkING PERFECTLY!! GODDAMN MUTHERFARKING ASSHOLES!!! I could go on but I won't. I'll just keep it inside.

/hate being the mom with the whiny kid and was gonna do my DAMNED LEVEL BEST to make sure that didn't happen.


HTML fail.
 
2009-12-26 07:59:55 PM
EMP.
 
2009-12-26 08:00:19 PM
I just got off a flight about 20 minutes ago, so I'm really getting a kick...

Seriously, I did. Didn't have any unusual restrictions and we actually landed 10 min early, so I guess I missed the new rules by a bit.

Unless I'm reading the article wrong, the stuff on lap/walking around restriction only applies to international flights. That said, it's still a bunch of bullshiat, and I totally agree with what's being said get. I think the one that bugs me the most is the one-bag-total on international flights. I travel a fair amount, and today I checked a bag only because I have a bunch of Christmas presents. Normally I just fly with a small carry-on and my laptop/camera bag, and I really resent bring restricted just the one bag. So stupid.

Also, security-checking all luggage at the gate? What a recipe for fail... or a way for airlines to make more money as people rush to check stuff as a way to save the hassle of a second security screening.

This sucks. I absolutely love to travel, especially flying, but this is becoming the flying equivalent of sitting in traffic on a hot day at endless red lights. Absolutely farking miserable and maddening.
 
2009-12-26 08:00:22 PM
x23:
i really wish inconsiderate pricks like you would take a hint and NOT FLY.


I really wish whiny biatches would set themselves on fire. I guess we can't get everything we want.

/thread is so full of fail.
//since so many shiatheels wanna ban muslims from planes, can we also ban christians from medical centers for abortion bombings/murders?
 
2009-12-26 08:01:10 PM
Befuddled: moops: When something like this happens, you righties prefer to advance your political agenda, rather than address the problem.

I am not a rightie, and exactly how do we address this problem?


the guy's farking FATHER notified the US embassy. how did this guy slip through?
 
2009-12-26 08:01:14 PM
I will never fly commercial again. I'd rather go Amtrak or Greyhound. And you smart guys that say I can't get to Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Guam, etc. FU, I'll go to Destin.
 
2009-12-26 08:01:24 PM
Jester41K: As an airline pilot, my concern is not with those onboard the plane. This flight shows exactly what would happen if another hijacking is attempted. My concern is with those that have access to the plane while its still on the groud. Every day, thousand of airport workers (shop employees, cleaners, rampers, etc.) are allowed to bypass TSA and get inside security through their own entrance without any screening precautions whatsoever. These people can bring anything inside the secured area and potentionaly plant something on a plane without so much as a metal detector stopping them.

/ jealous pilot that has to go through the Tub Stacking Association line just like everyone else.


Isn't capitalism wonderful. There's absolutely no need other than greed to have an entire shopping mall past the security gate but the potential profit far outweighs the security of passengers.
 
2009-12-26 08:01:24 PM
*rolls eyes* Just get up and pee any way. They'll say 'sir / ma'am, you have to return to your seat" and you'll say 'yeah, I will, when I've gone to the bathroom". They're not going to try and forcefully restrain you and if they do, you've got a good case against the airline for assault and trauma. But too many people are afraid of missing their connections for upsetting the uppity sky waitress. These rules wouldn't be implemented if people didn't follow them.
 
2009-12-26 08:01:37 PM
Best idea, just scrap the way stuff is done. Let people take their families to the gate to see them off. Get rid of the plugged up entrances to terminals.
 
2009-12-26 08:02:07 PM
For f*ck's sake, why don't you ban flying? Problem solved in one easy step?
 
2009-12-26 08:02:32 PM
moops: funsized: Because God only knows that there are certainly no circumstances where a child has to fly-

No, there are none. You don't get to invade everybody's personal space because you have a child screaming, kicking, and running up and down the aisles.


So say a young couple and the 23-month-old are moving to Japan from Iowa. What're they supposed to do? Drive? Yeah, that'll do it. Leave the baby? GOOD CALL. Say your parent is dying and, given that a lot of grandparents really care about their grandkids, they want to see them before they die. Then, yes, that counts as needing to fly as in most cases driving is way slower even including layovers, security, and everything.

Also, just to be a pedantic ass to match your own intolerant flaw, your logic is flawed because the disproof of nonexistence is showing that there is at least one witness to it, and I found one; and a plane and the aisles are not even remotely your personal space. Personal bubble around you is one thing, just because you're on the plane doesn't mean you control the space around you. You paid for that SEAT.
 
2009-12-26 08:02:34 PM
Jarhead_h: Question... why does anyone even fly domestic anymore? My last flight was almost a full year ago now and frankly I think that it will be my last ever. If I need to get across the entire US I'll just drive thanks.

As I'm sure there are many others like me, but I fly for work.....I am on a constant cycle of 2 weeks at work (on the road) and one week at home. If the work locale is within 7-8 hours (driving), then I drive to it. But usually it's farther, and then (as with others I'm sure), it becomes an issue of how much time do you need to drive there, or how much "free" time do you have to drive there & back.
 
2009-12-26 08:02:53 PM
beoswulf: That's no surprise considering that in the USA, Muslims are better educated and wealthier than the average America, satisfying the traditional Muslim goal of dominating the non-Muslim population, while in Europe Muslims are treated as second class citizens and ghettoized.

"Average America" are the type of people that support Palin.

Nobody's keeping the average American down except for "lol learnin iz elitism" thoughts that keep pervading the fundamentalist side of the Republican party.
 
2009-12-26 08:02:54 PM
What needs to happen now is a wholesale boycott. Americans simply stop getting on airliners, everyone else stop coming to America. Economic pressure will force the gummint to find a less STUPID solution. Rapidly.
 
2009-12-26 08:02:58 PM
Wow, way to go, you pansy american cowards. Brought to your knees by some firecrackers. The terrorists already won. Pussies. Where are the big loud courageous obnoxious good old boys now? Oh, they're only courageous when their socialized military is there to nanny them.
 
2009-12-26 08:03:10 PM
I love it how all these "security" measures always go into effect AFTER the shenanigan was attempted, and is only a narrow reaction to that specific shenanigan:

Shoe lighter attempts to do something with his shoes: Later on, AFTER the danger: We have to walk barefoot through security. Does nothing to stop someone from bringing an innocuous-looking liquid explosive onboard NOT in their shoes.

Liquid bomber tries to blow up liquid: Later on, AFTER the danger: We now have a bunch of ridiculous liquid restrictions, which do nothing to stop someone from bringing on a powder explosive.

Powder burner tries to light some powder on fire during the last hour of a flight: Later, AFTER the danger: We now have restrictions during the last hour of flight, which will do nothing to stop someone who wants to try something during the second-last hour of the flight... and on... and on...
 
2009-12-26 08:03:19 PM
lady_nocturne: the stuff on lap/walking around restriction only applies to international flights.

Yep it does, it has no effect on domestic flights.
 
2009-12-26 08:03:27 PM
traylor: why don't you ban flying?

but then only outlaws will fly
 
2009-12-26 08:03:54 PM
DamnYankees: There's no other practical way to go from NY to CA, sadly.

True. How much is a round trip flight from JFK to LAX?

Round trip in Amtrak is gonna run you $1300 if you want a bed
 
2009-12-26 08:04:01 PM
Potty breaks are over, now back to your seat you little scared farking fliers.
 
2009-12-26 08:04:12 PM
moops: funsized: Because God only knows that there are certainly no circumstances where a child has to fly-

No, there are none. You don't get to invade everybody's personal space because you have a child screaming, kicking, and running up and down the aisles.


Why do you assume there are none? My kid had a passport before she was 2 weeks old. She has been to Europe 3x in the last year. LA/ Seattle more times than I can count.

The only disturbance was a woman who attacked my baby on a flight with a bag of chips. She was cuffed and lead off by the cops. (the woman, not my baby. The cuffs would have probbably been too small anyway)
 
2009-12-26 08:04:24 PM
Quantum Apostrophe: Where are the big loud courageous obnoxious good old boys now?

You won't find them on planes... Never have, never will.
 
2009-12-26 08:04:29 PM
$1300 - one way with the cheap bedrooms
 
2009-12-26 08:04:29 PM
WhyteRaven74: lady_nocturne: the stuff on lap/walking around restriction only applies to international flights.

Yep it does, it has no effect on domestic flights.


Yet.
 
2009-12-26 08:04:33 PM
Hau Ruck: Flying sucks enough as it is. My tinfoil hat theory says this whole thing was hatched by the airlines to decrease the number of people flying with them and hence, the number of complaints.

That, and they need some more ways around the upcoming "passenger rights" legislation too.



How about this - no more carry on bags allowed - only a "personal item". That means $20-30 extra per person...adds up quick.
 
2009-12-26 08:04:36 PM
medius: traylor: why don't you ban flying?

but then only outlaws will fly


I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me....

/definitely not obscure
 
2009-12-26 08:05:30 PM
The most effective weapon the terrorists have is the TSA.
 
2009-12-26 08:05:57 PM
Meet Us at the Stick: DamnYankees: There's no other practical way to go from NY to CA, sadly.

True. How much is a round trip flight from JFK to LAX?

Round trip in Amtrak is gonna run you $1300 if you want a bed


You can get it for as low as $300-400. My trip is costing 500 bc I'm flying into SF and out of LA.
 
2009-12-26 08:06:10 PM
Reactionary nonsense that will not save a single life or make flying any safer - just increase the frustration and discontent of the traveling public in the name of pretending to "do something".

Frankly, the only thing this will actually do is make me less likely to want to travel in the first place.
 
2009-12-26 08:06:25 PM
Just segregate flights by religion. Muslim and non Muslim.
The problem will eventually take care of itself.
 
2009-12-26 08:06:28 PM
Quantum Apostrophe: Oh, they're only courageous when their socialized military is there to nanny them.

And when it comes to others being sick and they can crap all over them.
 
2009-12-26 08:06:35 PM
To those who are suggesting that we start profiling and banning or at least, pay extra attention to Muslims or those who could be Muslim. There are some major flaws:

1) The shiat storm if an extremist Christian group or an eco-terrorist ever successfully blew up a plane because the TSA and Homeland Security were looking for Muslims.

2) Sympathizers. Brown skinned Muslims recruit white and black skinned Americans or Brits or even French people. Even get them to carry the Bible or some sort of anti-Islamic propaganda, no one thinks of them possibly being terrorists

3) The ACLU.
 
2009-12-26 08:06:49 PM
Yay! Let's continue to be reactive! That will teach them!
 
2009-12-26 08:07:01 PM
gadian: *rolls eyes* Just get up and pee any way. They'll say 'sir / ma'am, you have to return to your seat" and you'll say 'yeah, I will, when I've gone to the bathroom". They're not going to try and forcefully restrain you and if they do, you've got a good case against the airline for assault and trauma. But too many people are afraid of missing their connections for upsetting the uppity sky waitress. These rules wouldn't be implemented if people didn't follow them.

Or, just whip it out and pee in the aisle. That's what I'd do.
 
2009-12-26 08:07:23 PM
unlikely: Annnnd... once again, terrorists SUCCESSFULLY use one person to change the way of life in the Land of the Free* and the Home of the Brave**.


* Offer applies in limited areas only
** American brand Brave, no bearing on actual bravery


Dunno about that... several 'mericun passengers opened a can of whoopass on this asshat, and in the other thread, somebody detailed all of the hijackings since 9/11, all of them filled with foreigners - and none of them did anything (well, except for the ones that paid the hijacker money).

Same went for the shoe bomber and many troublemakers on American domestic flights. American passengers took action, their counterparts elsewhere stood by shaking in their seats.

Seems like America might be the last bastion of "actual bravery".
 
2009-12-26 08:07:23 PM
This sucks so much rank ass. I love riding in planes, but I detest all the bullshiat leading up to the ride. Stop being reactionary vaginas.
 
2009-12-26 08:07:31 PM
ski9600: I will never fly commercial again. I'd rather go Amtrak or Greyhound. And you smart guys that say I can't get to Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Guam, etc. FU, I'll go to Destin.

I like my beaches redneck-free.
 
2009-12-26 08:07:55 PM
torquestripe: Just segregate flights by religion. Muslim and non Muslim.

How do you tell who is who?

(and you probably meant "Christian and non Christian.")
 
2009-12-26 08:08:14 PM
LesserEvil: Seems like America might be the last bastion of "actual bravery".

the TSA rules indicate otherwise
 
2009-12-26 08:08:19 PM
peachy92: Why doesn't the TSA just gang and bound us and insert butt plugs up our rectums? That would make air travel safe.

img145.imageshack.us
 
2009-12-26 08:08:42 PM
Befuddled: This is stupid in that there's nothing magical about the last hour of a flight. If an asshole wants to blow up a plane, he can do it just as easily at takeoff or at an hour and fifteen minutes before landing.

This
 
2009-12-26 08:08:43 PM
zz9: I am struggling to think of any single measure that is as easy to get around as this. So a terrorist can't set off his bomb in the last hour? So he sets it off a few minutes earlier. Job done.

This is like saying "He was wearing a blue jacket! Lets ban all blue jackets!"




??

I say go ahead and ban blue jackets. I don't like blue.
 
2009-12-26 08:08:59 PM
DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

Seriously. How long has it been since those idiots crashed a few airliners? Has ANYTHING been built on the towers' site yet? Embarrassing. An entire country hiding under its beds all this time, farking pathetic. I'm farking EMBARRASSED to be an American more and more every single day this crap keeps going on.

Just wait till some group pulls some shiat on a Greyhound or Amtrak, or the DC beltway, then we all might as well be confined to our homes.

Everyone I know in the military (several dozen still serving) thinks all of this is a disgrace.
 
2009-12-26 08:09:10 PM
I am sure my family is going to love this on the 17hr leg of the journey back home to Thailand, which totals over 20+ hours...


Then I will get to experience next July...
 
2009-12-26 08:09:14 PM
Now I will stay even further away from airports.
 
2009-12-26 08:09:49 PM
btr3924: I say go ahead and ban blue jackets. I don't like blue.

img.photobucket.com

Shocked at your racism.
 
2009-12-26 08:10:38 PM
They are training women to be suicide bombers now.

What the fark do we do when the first Intra-Uterine-Bomb (IUB) gets detonated by a female Islamic suicide bomber??? WHAT DO WE DO??? HUH??

Ban ALL females from flying?
Hire TSA gynecoligists?
JUST ACCEPT the occasional plane bombing?

Islam is NOT a religion. It is a cross between a political movement, a cult and an obsessive-compulsive disorder.

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE. It is an ideological movement. It is attacking us from within. 10% of muslims are Islamic Fundies. And 90% of Muslims look the other way.

Want to solve the problem? Make life for ALL muslims a living hell in order to MOTIVATE them to eliminate the crazies.

Works in the Army. One guy in a squad screws up, the entire squad get punished. The squad members then do a very efficient job of straightening out the bad actor.

Want to avoid the Crusades 2.0? MAKE THE MUZZIES CLEAN UP THEIR ACT. NOW.

If we don't, the people will eventually get fed up, and there will be massive bloodshed. I really don't want to put up with a Beruit style civil war in my country.
 
2009-12-26 08:10:48 PM
peachy92: Why doesn't the TSA just gang and bound us and insert butt plugs up our rectums? That would make air travel safe.

Is that what you need to get back on an airplane again?
 
2009-12-26 08:11:00 PM
Earl of Chives: Hau Ruck: Flying sucks enough as it is. My tinfoil hat theory says this whole thing was hatched by the airlines to decrease the number of people flying with them and hence, the number of complaints.

That, and they need some more ways around the upcoming "passenger rights" legislation too.


How about this - no more carry on bags allowed.


A great idea for many reasons.

I rarely take bags of any kind when I fly. None checked nor carried on. No newspaper, nuthin.

I can tell you it really freaks them out when you do this.

Not sure why.
 
2009-12-26 08:11:05 PM
I'm more inconvenienced than terrified. We should call them Islamic Inconveniencists.
 
2009-12-26 08:11:16 PM
Thank god. I can finally enjoy the aisle seat for a little while without getting elbow-crotched every 30 seconds.

However I'm not seeing how that would have prevented this attack.
 
2009-12-26 08:11:32 PM
Je5tEr: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

Seriously. How long has it been since those idiots crashed a few airliners? Has ANYTHING been built on the towers' site yet? Embarrassing. An entire country hiding under its beds all this time, farking pathetic. I'm farking EMBARRASSED to be an American more and more every single day this crap keeps going on.

Just wait till some group pulls some shiat on a Greyhound or Amtrak, or the DC beltway, then we all might as well be confined to our homes.

Everyone I know in the military (several dozen still serving) thinks all of this is a disgrace.


Well, there was the crazy farker who beheaded the guy sitting next to him on the Greyhound last year then kept trying to eat the ears when the cops were trying to get at him....
 
2009-12-26 08:11:41 PM
funsized: mark12A: And still everybody dances around the actual problem:

MUSLIMS ON AIRPLANES!

Shrinkwrap the bastards before loading them on the plane. Profile and search them from their toenails to last follicle on their farking heads!

I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.

What's it going to take for people to come to their senses?

If guys wearing clown noses were running around in the street shooting people, how long would it take for the police to start grabbing and searching anybody wearing a clown nose in public? Not very long. Why, why, why won't we do the obvious farking thing and search Muslims? How many innocent people have to be butchered before we do this?

Not to mention there's some magical litmus paper that will turn orange when you put it on a Muslim.


Pave the screening areas with Korans...
 
2009-12-26 08:11:53 PM
gweilo8888: Reactionary nonsense that will not save a single life or make flying any safer - just increase the frustration and discontent of the traveling public in the name of pretending to "do something".

You know, if I were Osama and I was trying to bring America to a halt, I'd just recruit a few kids to do random terrorist-like things at all the various stages of air travel. Do a nice spread and cover them all:

1. Do something in the nice crowded security line.
2. Do something at the gate.
3. Do something during taxi/takeoff.
4. Do something during the first hour of flight.
5. Do something during the middle of the flight.
6. Do something during the last hour of flight.
7. Do something while landing.
8. Do something at the baggage claim.

Of course, the geniuses in Homeland Security will have to react and place knee-jerk restrictions at each of those stages, grinding all air travel to a halt.
 
2009-12-26 08:12:18 PM
funsized: medius: traylor: why don't you ban flying?

but then only outlaws will fly

I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me....

/definitely not obscure


The Farmer Astronaut?
 
2009-12-26 08:12:24 PM
Kyosuke: torquestripe: Just segregate flights by religion. Muslim and non Muslim.

How do you tell who is who?

(and you probably meant "Christian and non Christian.")


Serve a pre boarding meal consisting of BLT sandwiches and pork rinds instead of potato chips.
Porky Pig approved!
 
2009-12-26 08:12:44 PM
moops: Befuddled: I'm afraid we are going to have to start profiling people like El Al Airlines does.

I see the righties have their talking points already, since I've been seeing this multiple times.

Profiling is not what makes El Al successful. And you're naive to think we're currently NOT profiling - it's just not official.

When something like this happens, you righties prefer to advance your political agenda, rather than address the problem.


I flew El Al a few years ago with my nice little picture postcard family. Why we got pulled aside I don't know, but the nice, pretty, but very serious security agent questioned us for about 15 minutes about Buffalo, our schools, our synagogue, and our associations until she was satisfied. Personally I think we finally dropped a name she knew (in the Jewish world, it's more like two degrees of association than six). But we were happy to see such careful scrutiny, considering the stakes.

I presume that eventually we'll get processed something like new inmates before we fly; a full-body x-ray and an orange jumpsuit.
 
2009-12-26 08:13:12 PM
How exactly would not moving around in the cabin have stopped this guy or anyone who wants to try something similar? Wasn't the dude sitting in his seat when he tried to blow up his underwear? Is a terrorist really going to give a shiat about not getting out of his seat when he gets ready to attempt his little version of jihad?

Also thanks subby for posting a link to an article that you have to join the site to read. RTFA elsewhere.
 
2009-12-26 08:13:26 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

Sure beats dealing with the airlines!
 
2009-12-26 08:13:44 PM
stiletto_the_wise: gadian: *rolls eyes* Just get up and pee any way. They'll say 'sir / ma'am, you have to return to your seat" and you'll say 'yeah, I will, when I've gone to the bathroom". They're not going to try and forcefully restrain you and if they do, you've got a good case against the airline for assault and trauma. But too many people are afraid of missing their connections for upsetting the uppity sky waitress. These rules wouldn't be implemented if people didn't follow them.

Or, just whip it out and pee in the aisle. That's what I'd do.


:D

Hope I'm on the flight where you try that. Wait till 2012 after I pass the bar; I'll be your attorney immediately and start nailing people to the wall about your right to relieve your kidneys being guaranteed under Freedom of Religion (OH MY GOD, I'VE GOT TO GO!)
 
2009-12-26 08:13:46 PM
from one news link: Dr Mutallab is said to have warned the US authorities about his son's extreme views six months ago. Abdulmutallab was reportedly on a security watch list,

So the US authorities knew about this guy, he was on a security watch list and still was able to fly into the United States with no questions asked.

I guess you don't get much for the trillion dollars our government has spent on the War on TerrorTM these days.
 
2009-12-26 08:13:50 PM
In other words, train travel is about to become a helluva lot more popular.
 
2009-12-26 08:14:22 PM
mark12A: What the fark do we do when the first Intra-Uterine-Bomb (IUB) gets detonated by a female Islamic suicide bomber??? WHAT DO WE DO??? HUH??

Well, Planned Parenthood would surely put out a triumphant press release proclaiming that women finally have control over their own bodies!
 
2009-12-26 08:14:41 PM
Obscure on Fark: I'm more inconvenienced than terrified. We should call them Islamic Inconveniencists.

Seconded.
 
2009-12-26 08:14:50 PM
ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.

then you're part of the problem
 
2009-12-26 08:14:55 PM
Bucky Katt: If you got to pee, don't want until the last minute to head to the loo. Either plan ahead or just whip it out and pee on the seat in front of you.

naturesgraffiti.com

Peeing will now be an act of terrorism . The TSA arm of Al-Queda will see to that.
 
2009-12-26 08:15:27 PM
Igor Jakovsky: How exactly would not moving around in the cabin have stopped this guy or anyone who wants to try something similar? Wasn't the dude sitting in his seat when he tried to blow up his underwear? Is a terrorist really going to give a shiat about not getting out of his seat when he gets ready to attempt his little version of jihad?

Also thanks subby for posting a link to an article that you have to join the site to read. RTFA elsewhere.


BugMeNot.com
 
2009-12-26 08:15:28 PM
mark12A: They are training women to be suicide bombers now.

What the fark do we do when the first Intra-Uterine-Bomb (IUB) gets detonated by a female Islamic suicide bomber??? WHAT DO WE DO??? HUH??


I can't stop laughing at that!
Funny shiat right there.
 
2009-12-26 08:15:52 PM
I notice these restrictions only apply to international travellers. All international travellers.

Because everyone born in America is a diehard patriot, whereas those damn British and Russians are never up to any good and probably want to see America destroyed.
 
2009-12-26 08:16:13 PM
Gyrfalcon: Hope I'm on the flight where you try that. Wait till 2012 after I pass the bar; I'll be your attorney immediately and start nailing people to the wall about your right to relieve your kidneys being guaranteed under Freedom of Religion (OH MY GOD, I'VE GOT TO GO!)

Seeing the air-hags they hire as flight attendants these days, I'd guess my aisle piss would be the first time they saw dick since the Reagan administration.
 
2009-12-26 08:16:14 PM
Obscure on Fark: I'm more inconvenienced than terrified. We should call them Islamic Inconveniencists.

Islamic "Fark it up for the rest of us"ists.
 
2009-12-26 08:17:04 PM
moops: funsized: Because God only knows that there are certainly no circumstances where a child has to fly-

No, there are none. You don't get to invade everybody's personal space because you have a child screaming, kicking, and running up and down the aisles.


It seems to me that unless you need the organ from the executed Chinese prisoner to stay alive or something, that maybe YOU don't really NEED to fly either, amirite?

gadian: *rolls eyes* Just get up and pee any way. They'll say 'sir / ma'am, you have to return to your seat" and you'll say 'yeah, I will, when I've gone to the bathroom". They're not going to try and forcefully restrain you and if they do, you've got a good case against the airline for assault and trauma. But too many people are afraid of missing their connections for upsetting the uppity sky waitress. These rules wouldn't be implemented if people didn't follow them.

PROTIP: The "uppity sky waitress" is protected by some heavy duty federal laws. You can go to prison for disobeying their instructions.
 
2009-12-26 08:17:38 PM
T.M.S.: The only disturbance was a woman who attacked my baby on a flight with a bag of chips. She was cuffed and lead off by the cops. (the woman, not my baby. The cuffs would have probbably been too small anyway)

Ok, I've got to ask....

How old was your baby at the time? What sequence of events led her to attack your baby? How, precisely, does one attack with potato chips?

In short: There's a story there. Don't leave us hangin'...

/I've heard of some weird weapons, but "potato chips" doesn't strike me as such...
 
2009-12-26 08:17:43 PM
We need to start a campaign to start publishing every single way anyone can imaging causing some sort of mayhem on an airliner for these things to go away.

Start by taking a look at that items TSA specifically allows.

How could anyone cause any harm with a solid steel hexagonal shaft cane?

A pair of scissors is 2 knives after you pop out the pin you know. (maybe thats why they call them a pair?)
 
2009-12-26 08:18:20 PM
ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.

HOW HARD IS IT TO SAY 2 YEARS OLD!? Jesus...

/pet peeve
//peet peve
 
2009-12-26 08:18:42 PM
mark12A: They are training women to be suicide bombers now.

What the fark do we do when the first Intra-Uterine-Bomb (IUB) gets detonated by a female Islamic suicide bomber??? WHAT DO WE DO??? HUH??


Only a matter of time. It won't ever be very popular, though--do you have ANY idea how painful it is to get something inserted into your uterus, much less randomly pull on the string or whatever to detonate it? Besides,
torquestripe: mark12A: They are training women to be suicide bombers now.

What the fark do we do when the first Intra-Uterine-Bomb (IUB) gets detonated by a female Islamic suicide bomber??? WHAT DO WE DO??? HUH??


I can't stop laughing at that!
Funny shiat right there.


It's not funny if you know how much it farking hurts to have something inserted via your cervix. D:

Seriously, though, it's probably only a matter of time.
 
2009-12-26 08:19:38 PM
LesserEvil:

Dunno about that... several 'mericun passengers opened a can of whoopass on this asshat, and in the other thread, somebody detailed all of the hijackings since 9/11, all of them filled with foreigners - and none of them did anything (well, except for the ones that paid the hijacker money).

Same went for the shoe bomber and many troublemakers on American domestic flights. American passengers took action, their counterparts elsewhere stood by shaking in their seats.

Seems like America might be the last bastion of "actual bravery".


Uhh yeah, Jasper Schuringa (new window)is all Amerikun.
Have you ever been outside the Americas?

/this is why Europeans dislike americans
 
2009-12-26 08:19:55 PM
x23: ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.

i really wish inconsiderate pricks like you would take a hint and NOT FLY. literally no one cares about your precious cherub. drive. have the grandparents visit YOU. for the love of god... just stay off the GD plane.

believe it or not... your 23-month old has no important business to tend to across the country. somehow we managed to survive as a society before the days of commodity air travel.


Heh. I'm going to book my daughter and I on every flight you take now. And yeah, my apologies to everyone who has to fly cross country with me now. But thanks TSA! At least we're safer from the mooslims.
 
2009-12-26 08:19:57 PM
torquestripe: Just segregate flights by religion. Muslim and non Muslim.
The problem will eventually take care of itself.


but how would we know who the Muslims are?

oh i know, we should make them wear a patch of the insignia of their religion. surely they wouldn't mind wearing something that they believe in.

/not that i disagree with you, it is just really a slippery slope.
 
2009-12-26 08:20:04 PM
Hau Ruck: are they really going to restrict electronic readers?

No, they will just build them into the seats and let you rent books at a *reasonable price.

*High prices are reasonable when you have no competition
 
2009-12-26 08:20:16 PM
studebaker hoch: The terrorists are winning.

Yup. If you have a group of people who can convince young males to blow themselves up then it's a no brainer to defeat our airline system. You don't even need anything more then a firecracker at this point. Just convince some young, dumb male that the M80 you surrounded with wires and a fuse can blow a hole in the fuselage. Get that guy on the plane, have him light it, and watch the entire country's airline security system shiat itself trying to figure out how to probe passengers further short of sticking a cattle prod up their asses.

If, on the other hand, we as a country had some cajones for our beliefs we'd realize that one of the risks for living in a free society is that every once in a while someone *might* figure out a way to kill a few thousand of us. And that giving up that freedom we espouse is what we're most in danger of. "Freedom isn't free" indeed.
 
2009-12-26 08:20:59 PM
Great Janitor: And the moment someone is arrested because they'd rather run to the restroom on the plane instead of pissing their pants, this shiat will end.

No, it won't end that day. There will be debates, "Why didn't he hold it, he knew the law and still broke it, punish him accordingly." and "This law is made to prevent the plane from being blown up, what risk was the plane in by not letting a 40 y.o. business man from Berkley go to the farking restroom?"

Someone in this thread already pointed out the solution, that farker said that the passengers are doing a better job keeping the planes safe than the TSA has been. I say we disband the TSA and arm the passengers. Nutjob tries to light some chemicals to blow up the plane, five passengers shoot to kill that person. Sounds like a solution to me. Now we'll have to use a gun and round that will kill (or at least wound) and not penetrate the windows or hull. Lethal might be bad if they miss and kill someone innocent, but non-lethal means a trial and tax payer money for the trial and to keep him alive in prison.


Because few things are smarter than pistols in pressurized cabins.
 
2009-12-26 08:21:04 PM
wambu: Bucky Katt: If you got to pee, don't want until the last minute to head to the loo. Either plan ahead or just whip it out and pee on the seat in front of you.



Peeing will now be an act of terrorism . The TSA arm of Al-Queda will see to that.


No, not really. Besides, that's what the air-sickness bag is useful for. It can hold about 8~10oz of urine (sandwiched in the seat pouch) and takes about 75 minutes before it leaks through.

bostonist.com
 
2009-12-26 08:21:17 PM
btr3924: zz9: I am struggling to think of any single measure that is as easy to get around as this. So a terrorist can't set off his bomb in the last hour? So he sets it off a few minutes earlier. Job done.

This is like saying "He was wearing a blue jacket! Lets ban all blue jackets!"



??

I say go ahead and ban blue jackets. I don't like blue.


so Crips can't fly? "THAT'S WAYCISS!!"
 
2009-12-26 08:21:40 PM
America's Muslim population is the most liberal in the world. No more than 25% of young American Muslims support suicide bombings

ONLY 25%?? That's *real* reassuring!
 
2009-12-26 08:21:57 PM
TheShavingofOccam123:

Here's a two-step solution.

1. Give workers more vacation time so they have other alternatives to flying.

2. Give workers other alternatives to flying.


That would be nice. But I prefer "choose your own job" rather than mandating a "give workers" rule. If the latter, the United States would turn into a France or a similar European-level black hole of suck.
 
2009-12-26 08:22:46 PM
Obscure on Fark: Islamic Inconveniencists.

*snert*

/That'll be showing up on the Jay Leno Show shortly
 
2009-12-26 08:23:02 PM
mxwjs: torquestripe: Just segregate flights by religion. Muslim and non Muslim.
The problem will eventually take care of itself.

but how would we know who the Muslims are?

oh i know, we should make them wear a patch of the insignia of their religion. surely they wouldn't mind wearing something that they believe in.

/not that i disagree with you, it is just really a slippery slope.


I believe that would be a vertical drop.
 
2009-12-26 08:23:17 PM
Great Janitor: To those who are suggesting that we start profiling and banning or at least, pay extra attention to Muslims or those who could be Muslim. There are some major flaws:

1) The shiat storm if an extremist Christian group or an eco-terrorist ever successfully blew up a plane because the TSA and Homeland Security were looking for Muslims.

2) Sympathizers. Brown skinned Muslims recruit white and black skinned Americans or Brits or even French people. Even get them to carry the Bible or some sort of anti-Islamic propaganda, no one thinks of them possibly being terrorists

3) The ACLU.



This shows a complete lack of understanding of how radicalism works, and of the balancing act the Feds are carrying on. There's a tiny white-hot core of jihadists who want to destroy the West/bomb planes/what not. Around them is a ring of supporters - not just the teenagers posting on boards, but wealthy Saudis who funnel in millions of dollars each year. Around that ring is another ring of less ideological types who "kind of" agree with the whole suicide bombing thing. Then you have other rings all the way out to moderates and even the liberals.

Each ring protects and insulates the one within it.

What happens when you start profiling the moderates? They're not going to say "that's totally logical, my white friends. No harm no foul!". They're going to start migrating inwards to the more radical rings. They might not bomb a plane, but they're much more likely to ignore things they see that they understand are trouble signs. Nidal Malik Hasan for example.

When a moderate Muslim at the airport sees your white 85 year old grandmother being searched, it shows him that we're all on the same side and having to put up with the same sh*t from the TSA. The terrorists are inconveniencing ALL of us, including him. But when he's pulled out of line every single time, and all the white people cruise through, guess what - you just switched which team he's rooting for.
 
2009-12-26 08:23:49 PM
mark12A: America's Muslim population is the most liberal in the world. No more than 25% of young American Muslims support suicide bombings

ONLY 25%?? That's *real* reassuring!


I'd be interested to see how many young American males overall support suicide bombings if they were used to fight the "terrorists."
 
2009-12-26 08:23:59 PM
The only thing that is going to stop these jihadi wannabes from blowing up a plane is the passengers sitting next to them. My guess is that they send 2 or more terrorists next time so if the first one fails and the passengers are occupied the second one can do his thing.
 
2009-12-26 08:24:04 PM
moops: funsized: Because God only knows that there are certainly no circumstances where a child has to fly-

No, there are none. You don't get to invade everybody's personal space because you have a child screaming, kicking, and running up and down the aisles.


STFU!
We went from Frankfurt to Boston, to San Francisco with a 13 month old. No one knew we had a kid on the plane, besides out of Frankfurt("kline maus, kline maus!) The only trouble we encountered was in the San Francisco airport. God, I hate that biatch, especially after the orange juice bottle broke.
 
2009-12-26 08:24:22 PM
eire_irie: LesserEvil:

Dunno about that... several 'mericun passengers opened a can of whoopass on this asshat, and in the other thread, somebody detailed all of the hijackings since 9/11, all of them filled with foreigners - and none of them did anything (well, except for the ones that paid the hijacker money).

Same went for the shoe bomber and many troublemakers on American domestic flights. American passengers took action, their counterparts elsewhere stood by shaking in their seats.

Seems like America might be the last bastion of "actual bravery".

Uhh yeah, Jasper Schuringa (new window)is all Amerikun.
Have you ever been outside the Americas?

/this is why Europeans dislike americans


He acted while in the US, so he's an honorary American!

Kidding aside (yeah, my original post was meant to hyperbolize the point), that's cool... but my point still stands, Americans have acted against passengers that got out of hand, while it's been documented that in hijackings since 9/11, all in other countries, only one had any involvement on the part of the passengers.

You can't really accuse Americans of not being brave.
 
2009-12-26 08:24:31 PM
T.M.S.: Why is it inconsiderate to take a child on an airplane?

Because of the nonstop WAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

Ignoring all the TSA horse sh*t for a minute, I would pay extra to fly on childless flights. Either shut your crotch dropping up or don't f*cking fly.
 
2009-12-26 08:24:45 PM
ZeroPly: Great Janitor: To those who are suggesting that we start profiling and banning or at least, pay extra attention to Muslims or those who could be Muslim. There are some major flaws:

1) The shiat storm if an extremist Christian group or an eco-terrorist ever successfully blew up a plane because the TSA and Homeland Security were looking for Muslims.

2) Sympathizers. Brown skinned Muslims recruit white and black skinned Americans or Brits or even French people. Even get them to carry the Bible or some sort of anti-Islamic propaganda, no one thinks of them possibly being terrorists

3) The ACLU.


This shows a complete lack of understanding of how radicalism works, and of the balancing act the Feds are carrying on. There's a tiny white-hot core of jihadists who want to destroy the West/bomb planes/what not. Around them is a ring of supporters - not just the teenagers posting on boards, but wealthy Saudis who funnel in millions of dollars each year. Around that ring is another ring of less ideological types who "kind of" agree with the whole suicide bombing thing. Then you have other rings all the way out to moderates and even the liberals.

Each ring protects and insulates the one within it.

What happens when you start profiling the moderates? They're not going to say "that's totally logical, my white friends. No harm no foul!". They're going to start migrating inwards to the more radical rings. They might not bomb a plane, but they're much more likely to ignore things they see that they understand are trouble signs. Nidal Malik Hasan for example.

When a moderate Muslim at the airport sees your white 85 year old grandmother being searched, it shows him that we're all on the same side and having to put up with the same sh*t from the TSA. The terrorists are inconveniencing ALL of us, including him. But when he's pulled out of line every single time, and all the white people cruise through, guess what - you just switched which team he's rooting for.


THANK YOU.
 
2009-12-26 08:24:55 PM
zz9: I am struggling to think of any single measure that is as easy to get around as this. So a terrorist can't set off his bomb in the last hour? So he sets it off a few minutes earlier. Job done.

This is like saying "He was wearing a blue jacket! Lets ban all blue jackets!"


Suspect was not wearing a hat. Repeat, suspect was hatless.
 
2009-12-26 08:25:05 PM
stiletto_the_wise:

Seeing the air-hags they hire as flight attendants these days, I'd guess my aisle piss would be the first time they saw dick since the Reagan administration.


Off topic, but I would have to think that in this time of recession with 10% unemployment, airline H.R. could go to every college campus across the country and recruit graduating out of work hotties. There's such a high turnover rate among Flight Attendants, airlines are always hiring.
 
2009-12-26 08:25:23 PM
mizchief: However I'm not seeing how that would have prevented this attack.

I think I get it now. They figure that the most damage a big ass-bomb can do would only take down the plane during landing. I guess holding it for an hour is better than any alternative means screening for assbombs.
 
2009-12-26 08:25:28 PM
funsized: Je5tEr: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

Seriously. How long has it been since those idiots crashed a few airliners? Has ANYTHING been built on the towers' site yet? Embarrassing. An entire country hiding under its beds all this time, farking pathetic. I'm farking EMBARRASSED to be an American more and more every single day this crap keeps going on.

Just wait till some group pulls some shiat on a Greyhound or Amtrak, or the DC beltway, then we all might as well be confined to our homes.

Everyone I know in the military (several dozen still serving) thinks all of this is a disgrace.

Well, there was the crazy farker who beheaded the guy sitting next to him on the Greyhound last year then kept trying to eat the ears when the cops were trying to get at him....


Are you farking serious? Link?
 
2009-12-26 08:25:32 PM
Yes, because restrictions are what kept this terrorist from acting.

OH NO, wait, it was a regular citizen with freedom to act that kept this terrorist from his shenanigans!!

I guess taking away the freedom to act from regular citizens is surely the answer to future similar situations.

WTF???
 
2009-12-26 08:25:33 PM
Bucky Katt: If you got to pee, don't want until the last minute to head to the loo. Either plan ahead or just whip it out and pee on the seat in front of you.

But what if you're last in the pee line?

/would you like some water in a plastic container meant for jello?
 
2009-12-26 08:26:51 PM
geedavey: I flew El Al a few years ago with my nice little picture postcard family. Why we got pulled aside I don't know, but the nice, pretty, but very serious security agent questioned us for about 15 minutes about Buffalo, our schools, our synagogue, and our associations until she was satisfied. Personally I think we finally dropped a name she knew (in the Jewish world, it's more like two degrees of association than six). But we were happy to see such careful scrutiny, considering the stakes.

In all likelihood, your actual answers were incidental. From what I've read about El Al screening processes, when they do things like that, the real goal is to see how you react to it. If you get a little frustrated, maybe a little scared, that's normal and on you go. If you freak right out, or remain unnaturally calm, they'll start getting suspicious.

Naturally, if you didn't have an answer for a question, that would have been a red flag too. But terrorists will often train for that stuff, so behavior is really what El Al's screeners look at.
 
2009-12-26 08:27:15 PM
Je5tEr funsized: Je5tEr: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

Seriously. How long has it been since those idiots crashed a few airliners? Has ANYTHING been built on the towers' site yet? Embarrassing. An entire country hiding under its beds all this time, farking pathetic. I'm farking EMBARRASSED to be an American more and more every single day this crap keeps going on.

Just wait till some group pulls some shiat on a Greyhound or Amtrak, or the DC beltway, then we all might as well be confined to our homes.

Everyone I know in the military (several dozen still serving) thinks all of this is a disgrace.

Well, there was the crazy farker who beheaded the guy sitting next to him on the Greyhound last year then kept trying to eat the ears when the cops were trying to get at him....

Are you farking serious? Link?



He's serious.
but it wasn't terrorism per se.
 
2009-12-26 08:28:38 PM
funsized: mark12A: They are training women to be suicide bombers now.

What the fark do we do when the first Intra-Uterine-Bomb (IUB) gets detonated by a female Islamic suicide bomber??? WHAT DO WE DO??? HUH??

Only a matter of time. It won't ever be very popular, though--do you have ANY idea how painful it is to get something inserted into your uterus, much less randomly pull on the string or whatever to detonate it?

Seriously, though, it's probably only a matter of time.



Have you ALL forgotten the fella who tried to assassinate the Saudi prince??
To get his bomb into this room, Abdullah Asieri, one of Saudi Arabia's most wanted men, avoided detection by two sets of airport security including metal detectors and palace security. He spent 30 hours in the close company of the prince's own secret service agents - all without anyone suspecting a thing.

How did he do it?

Taking a trick from the narcotics trade - which has long smuggled drugs in body cavities - Asieri had a pound of high explosives, plus a detonator inserted in his rectum.


TFA (new window)
 
2009-12-26 08:29:03 PM
Death of rights by constriction. Every time there's an event reactive measures are implemented to reduce the chance of a repeat.

Eventually, someone will pull a bomb out of their bare ass and that'll be the end of commercial air travel.
 
2009-12-26 08:29:31 PM
Je5tEr: funsized: Je5tEr: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

Seriously. How long has it been since those idiots crashed a few airliners? Has ANYTHING been built on the towers' site yet? Embarrassing. An entire country hiding under its beds all this time, farking pathetic. I'm farking EMBARRASSED to be an American more and more every single day this crap keeps going on.

Just wait till some group pulls some shiat on a Greyhound or Amtrak, or the DC beltway, then we all might as well be confined to our homes.

Everyone I know in the military (several dozen still serving) thinks all of this is a disgrace.

Well, there was the crazy farker who beheaded the guy sitting next to him on the Greyhound last year then kept trying to eat the ears when the cops were trying to get at him....

Are you farking serious? Link?


I wish I were. Not that I think either Wikipedia or Fox News are definitive sources, but they're the first ones I pulled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tim_McLean , http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,396043,00.html . The teal deer version is: It was in Manitoba--the guy beheaded the passenger next to him, Tim McLean, and then ate various bits of the head. If I recall correctly, he was VERY severely mentally ill. The links for the Wiki citations are a good start.
 
2009-12-26 08:29:36 PM
Oh Canada!
Link (new window)
 
2009-12-26 08:29:59 PM
Will The Amazing Race be influenced by these changes? I mean they do have to wear those fanny packs and that could be considered dangerous, no?
 
2009-12-26 08:30:00 PM
beer4breakfast: If, on the other hand, we as a country had some cajones for our beliefs we'd realize that one of the risks for living in a free society is that every once in a while someone *might* figure out a way to kill a few thousand of us. And that giving up that freedom we espouse is what we're most in danger of. "Freedom isn't free" indeed.

I agree with you 100%. The people that died on 9/11 aren't victims, but heroes that died for our freedom just as any soldier.
 
2009-12-26 08:30:16 PM
Here's an idea: ban the bringing of rolling suitcases as carry-on. Assign each seat a specified space in the overhead. Gauge the IQ of TSA employees and fire those who are in the low, low range. Invest in El Al security. Those are security measures I could get behind.

This isn't. What's next? Will we get in trouble for ordering orange juice onboard?
 
2009-12-26 08:30:28 PM
NeedleGuy

Obscure on Fark: Islamic Inconveniencists.

*snert*

/That'll be showing up on the Jay Leno Show shortly


hey now, no need to insult the guy ! :-P
give the guy credit / raise your standards!

how about "That'll be showing up on The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson" ?

/FTFY
 
2009-12-26 08:30:30 PM
davynelson: Je5tEr funsized: Je5tEr: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

Seriously. How long has it been since those idiots crashed a few airliners? Has ANYTHING been built on the towers' site yet? Embarrassing. An entire country hiding under its beds all this time, farking pathetic. I'm farking EMBARRASSED to be an American more and more every single day this crap keeps going on.

Just wait till some group pulls some shiat on a Greyhound or Amtrak, or the DC beltway, then we all might as well be confined to our homes.

Everyone I know in the military (several dozen still serving) thinks all of this is a disgrace.

Well, there was the crazy farker who beheaded the guy sitting next to him on the Greyhound last year then kept trying to eat the ears when the cops were trying to get at him....

Are you farking serious? Link?


He's serious.
but it wasn't terrorism per se.


Two X-chromosomes, and sorry, I never meant to imply that it was terrorism at all. It was just an excellent example of something horrible happening on a Greyhound--I agree, definitely not terrorism.
 
2009-12-26 08:30:34 PM
Mentat: Goddamnit. Every time airline security restrictions start getting reasonable, some dumbass lights himself on fire and we're back to square one.

So much this it hurts.
 
2009-12-26 08:30:53 PM
LesserEvil: NeedleGuy: from one news link: Dr Mutallab is said to have warned the US authorities about his son's extreme views six months ago. Abdulmutallab was reportedly on a security watch list,

So the US authorities knew about this guy, he was on a security watch list and still was able to fly into the United States with no questions asked.

I guess you don't get much for the trillion dollars our government has spent on the War on TerrorTM these days.


www.lunareclipse.net
 
2009-12-26 08:31:08 PM
Dingo7734: funsized: medius: traylor: why don't you ban flying?

but then only outlaws will fly

I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me....

/definitely not obscure

The Farmer Astronaut?


acandidworld.files.wordpress.com

Frowns upon your lack of knowledge about the 'verse.

/seriously, the Astronaut Farmer was your guess?
//Fail.
 
2009-12-26 08:31:36 PM
I'd much rather deal with the slight possibility of a terrorist attack than live in a police state. No matter how strict the regulations get, there will always be somebody who can figure out a way around them to do something bad.

If you really want to stop terrorism, then maybe you should pressure your government not to take actions that make entire regions of the world hate you.

And no, they don't "Hate us for Our Freedoms!tm"
 
2009-12-26 08:31:37 PM
Seriously, quit farking flying! Boycott the airlines as much as possible.
 
2009-12-26 08:32:26 PM
mark12A:

Islam is NOT a religion. It is a cross between a political movement, a cult and an obsessive-compulsive disorder.

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE. It is an ideological movement. It is attacking us from within. 10% of muslims are Islamic Fundies. And 90% of Muslims look the other way.

Want to solve the problem? Make life for ALL muslims a living hell in order to MOTIVATE them to eliminate the crazies.

Works in the Army. One guy in a squad screws up, the entire squad get punished. The squad members then do a very efficient job of straightening out the bad actor.

Want to avoid the Crusades 2.0? MAKE THE MUZZIES CLEAN UP THEIR ACT. NOW.




WOW. yeah. great idea. let's terrorize average civilians because 0.001% of "Muzzies" as you call them, are extremists.
speaking of extremists, which backwoods bible camp gutter did you crawl out of?
 
2009-12-26 08:32:51 PM
SpaceButler: geedavey: I flew El Al a few years ago with my nice little picture postcard family. Why we got pulled aside I don't know, but the nice, pretty, but very serious security agent questioned us for about 15 minutes about Buffalo, our schools, our synagogue, and our associations until she was satisfied. Personally I think we finally dropped a name she knew (in the Jewish world, it's more like two degrees of association than six). But we were happy to see such careful scrutiny, considering the stakes.

In all likelihood, your actual answers were incidental. From what I've read about El Al screening processes, when they do things like that, the real goal is to see how you react to it. If you get a little frustrated, maybe a little scared, that's normal and on you go. If you freak right out, or remain unnaturally calm, they'll start getting suspicious.

Naturally, if you didn't have an answer for a question, that would have been a red flag too. But terrorists will often train for that stuff, so behavior is really what El Al's screeners look at.


Yeah, same goes for border guards.

It's tough to go based on looks. Somebody involved in "martyrdom operations isn't going to dress in "funny clothes" or ask where he can wash his feet... and he's just as likely to be a white-bread "John Smith" type from Southern California, born and bred in a nice family, but who, by whatever circumstances in his life (rebellion, white guilt, impressionable educational experience, etc...) decided to convert to islam.

For whatever reason, converts seem to trend toward extremism (true of any "converts" - see ex-smokers and ex-drinkers). We've already seen quite a few examples of this since 9/11.
 
2009-12-26 08:33:10 PM
NeedleGuy: from one news link: Dr Mutallab is said to have warned the US authorities about his son's extreme views six months ago. Abdulmutallab was reportedly on a security watch list,

So the US authorities knew about this guy, he was on a security watch list and still was able to fly into the United States with no questions asked.

I guess you don't get much for the trillion dollars our government has spent on the War on TerrorTM these days.


BECAUSE HE GOT ON THE PLANE SOMEPLACE ELSE!!!

I don't know why that seems to be eluding everyone. US authorities can know a guy wants to murder the President; but that's not going to help if the assassin buys a ticket in Nigeria and gets on the plane in Lagos with a layover in Amsterdam. F*ck.
 
2009-12-26 08:33:17 PM
gamempire: Dingo7734: funsized: medius: traylor: why don't you ban flying?

but then only outlaws will fly

I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me....

/definitely not obscure

The Farmer Astronaut?



Frowns upon your lack of knowledge about the 'verse.

/seriously, the Astronaut Farmer was your guess?
//Fail.


An excellent example of what a flying outlaw might look like!

God, Mal is farking hot. And Zoe. And Inara. And.... OK, yeah, the entire show, but no Reavers plzkthx.
 
2009-12-26 08:34:20 PM
But when he's pulled out of line every single time, and all the white people cruise through, guess what - you just switched which team he's rooting for.

So he'll switch to the side that will end up making his life even more unbearable, and possibly end up getting him removed from the society that provides him with peaceful, stable, economically advantageous opportunities. Yeah, right. If he has *any* brains at all, he will rat out the troublemakers in order to improve his own opportunities.

Squeeze ALL muslims enough, they will straighten up their own house. Or leave. Either works for me.
 
2009-12-26 08:34:30 PM
uncletogie: T.M.S.: The only disturbance was a woman who attacked my baby on a flight with a bag of chips. She was cuffed and lead off by the cops. (the woman, not my baby. The cuffs would have probbably been too small anyway)

Ok, I've got to ask....

How old was your baby at the time? What sequence of events led her to attack your baby? How, precisely, does one attack with potato chips?

In short: There's a story there. Don't leave us hangin'...

/I've heard of some weird weapons, but "potato chips" doesn't strike me as such...


The kid was 14 months old. LA to NYC.

A we boarded the woman took one look at the child and loudly began to complain.

The kid fell asleep as we took off (she is like her dad in that respect) and the woman behind us continued to say obnoxious crap about "how dare we take our little piece of shiat on a plane" etc..

An hour into the flight I exited the john and was told by the crew to stay up front as there had been an "incident" and they had to move us to the back of the plane.

Apparently the woman snapped and attacked the kid with a bag of chips. I did not see it happen which was a very good thing for her. My wife and the anon. passenger next to us were in tears.

The captain called the tower and was very interested in landing immediately but decided to wait and see if things escalated. (They were also afraid I was going to attack the woman-something I had no interest in doing)

For the remainder of the flight my kid slept while the woman curled up in the fetal position and screamed endlessly into her lap that it was everyone's fault but hers.

We landed in NYC and the woman was arrested. We were interviewed by the cops for over an hour. Everyone involved said it was the first time they had ever seen anything like it.

I think she is posting in this thread.

Second weirdest thing I ever had happen to me on a Commercial flight.
 
2009-12-26 08:35:20 PM
As someone who flies into LAX way too much, can someone build a real International airport in Tijuana? My next flight will be to Vancouver if I can find a way to avoid LAX
 
2009-12-26 08:35:44 PM
from the article
The government was vague about the steps it was taking, saying it wanted the security experience to be "unpredictable" and that passengers would not find the same measures at every airport

m2.wnymedia.net
 
2009-12-26 08:36:00 PM
funsized: Je5tEr: funsized: Je5tEr: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

Seriously. How long has it been since those idiots crashed a few airliners? Has ANYTHING been built on the towers' site yet? Embarrassing. An entire country hiding under its beds all this time, farking pathetic. I'm farking EMBARRASSED to be an American more and more every single day this crap keeps going on.

Just wait till some group pulls some shiat on a Greyhound or Amtrak, or the DC beltway, then we all might as well be confined to our homes.

Everyone I know in the military (several dozen still serving) thinks all of this is a disgrace.

Well, there was the crazy farker who beheaded the guy sitting next to him on the Greyhound last year then kept trying to eat the ears when the cops were trying to get at him....

Are you farking serious? Link?

I wish I were. Not that I think either Wikipedia or Fox News are definitive sources, but they're the first ones I pulled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tim_McLean , http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,396043,00.html . The teal deer version is: It was in Manitoba--the guy beheaded the passenger next to him, Tim McLean, and then ate various bits of the head. If I recall correctly, he was VERY severely mentally ill. The links for the Wiki citations are a good start.


Yucky. Heaven help us when they start shackeling all flyers who have taken military unarmed combat training or ninjitsu or krav maga etc.
 
2009-12-26 08:36:26 PM
Fact: Terrorists will use planes to destroy America

Fact: Terrorists are people

Fact: People use planes

Fact: People will use planes to destroy America

Conclusion: Anyone stepping in an airport should be prosecuted for treason.
 
2009-12-26 08:36:47 PM
T.M.S.: uncletogie: T.M.S.: The only disturbance was a woman who attacked my baby on a flight with a bag of chips. She was cuffed and lead off by the cops. (the woman, not my baby. The cuffs would have probbably been too small anyway)

Ok, I've got to ask....

How old was your baby at the time? What sequence of events led her to attack your baby? How, precisely, does one attack with potato chips?

In short: There's a story there. Don't leave us hangin'...

/I've heard of some weird weapons, but "potato chips" doesn't strike me as such...

The kid was 14 months old. LA to NYC.

A we boarded the woman took one look at the child and loudly began to complain.

The kid fell asleep as we took off (she is like her dad in that respect) and the woman behind us continued to say obnoxious crap about "how dare we take our little piece of shiat on a plane" etc..

An hour into the flight I exited the john and was told by the crew to stay up front as there had been an "incident" and they had to move us to the back of the plane.

Apparently the woman snapped and attacked the kid with a bag of chips. I did not see it happen which was a very good thing for her. My wife and the anon. passenger next to us were in tears.

The captain called the tower and was very interested in landing immediately but decided to wait and see if things escalated. (They were also afraid I was going to attack the woman-something I had no interest in doing)

For the remainder of the flight my kid slept while the woman curled up in the fetal position and screamed endlessly into her lap that it was everyone's fault but hers.

We landed in NYC and the woman was arrested. We were interviewed by the cops for over an hour. Everyone involved said it was the first time they had ever seen anything like it.

I think she is posting in this thread.

Second weirdest thing I ever had happen to me on a Commercial flight.


Jesus, I can't imagine they would've been able to scoop her broken corpse off the ceiling if you had been there to witness that. Seriously, who the hell DOES that?
 
2009-12-26 08:36:49 PM
DON.MAC: As someone who flies into LAX way too much, can someone build a real International airport in Tijuana? My next flight will be to Vancouver if I can find a way to avoid LAX

Use Burbank airport instead.
 
2009-12-26 08:37:03 PM
the bomber - affluent, well-educated:

With his wealth, privilege and education at one of Britain's leading universities, Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab had the world at his feet - able to choose from a range of futures in which to make his mark on the world.

Instead, the son of one of Nigeria's most important figures opted to make his impact in a very different way, by strapping explosives to his leg - or even possibly implanting them in his thigh - and attempting to blow up a passenger jet as it came in to land over Detroit airport on Christmas Day. The high explosive was identified last night by the FBI as Pentaerythritol (PETN - a major component of Semtex).
 
2009-12-26 08:37:30 PM
How about they have special flights for Muslims, maybe once a week or so?
 
2009-12-26 08:37:49 PM
peachy92: Why doesn't the TSA just gang and bound us and insert butt plugs up our rectums? That would make air travel safe.

I don't know. Would that be extra charge?
 
2009-12-26 08:37:53 PM
Who cares? It's not like I planned on flying ever again anyhow after the federal security expansion under Bush.

Sure I miss out on a great convenience, but I sidestep an even bigger pain in the ass in the process.
 
2009-12-26 08:38:00 PM
funsized: gamempire: Dingo7734: funsized: medius: traylor: why don't you ban flying?

but then only outlaws will fly

I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me....

/definitely not obscure

The Farmer Astronaut?

Frowns upon your lack of knowledge about the 'verse.

/seriously, the Astronaut Farmer was your guess?
//Fail.

An excellent example of what a flying outlaw might look like!

God, Mal is farking hot. And Zoe. And Inara. And.... OK, yeah, the entire show, but no Reavers plzkthx.


I was suprised myself at how long it took to get some serious outlaw references going in here.

What other outlaws may look like:

i12.photobucket.com
www.demaagd.com

/hotter than the CMB of the 'verse.
 
2009-12-26 08:38:30 PM
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

7 days ago I booked a resort in Mexico to get married at. 5 days ago we told the 20 people who we knew we wanted to come (and who we knew could come).
3 days ago all but 6 of them had already made reservations.

Now this shiat. Great. I fly all the time and am willing to deal with stupid shiat. In fact, Im not one to really complain about much. I hate the screaming kids, the evil attendants, the smelly people but I also know that its the fastest way from A to B.

But when I have my carry on bag and my camera backpack.....dont now make me check one. Ugh. If they loose my shiat, im just going to dispute the charges on my credit card for "services not rendered".

/preemptive

i79.photobucket.com
 
2009-12-26 08:38:36 PM
more:

His father, Umaru, is the former economics minister of Nigeria. He retired earlier this month as the chairman of the First Bank of Nigeria but is still on the boards of several of Nigeria's biggest firms, including Jaiz International, a holding company for the Islamic Bank. The 70-year-old, who was also educated in London, holds the Commander of the Order of the Niger as well as the Italian Order of Merit.
 
2009-12-26 08:38:52 PM
Ego edo infantia cattus: WOW. yeah. great idea. let's terrorize average civilians because 0.001% of "Muzzies" as you call them, are extremists.
speaking of extremists, which backwoods bible camp gutter did you crawl out of?


It's a LOT more than 0.001% that are extremists.

The Muslim Brotherhood would like a word with you:

www.davidosler.com

It's certainly not 100%.... it's not 50%, but it's a much larger percentage of extremists than other groups. Worse is that for the sheer number of them, way too many "moderates" are unwilling to silence them and make changes for the better.
 
2009-12-26 08:38:53 PM
Third_Uncle_Eno: from the article
The government was vague about the steps it was taking, saying it wanted the security experience to be "unpredictable" and that passengers would not find the same measures at every airport


These are the people you trust with the lives of you and those you care about!
Link (new window)
 
2009-12-26 08:39:05 PM
AntiNorm: T.M.S.: Why is it inconsiderate to take a child on an airplane?

Because of the nonstop WAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

Ignoring all the TSA horse sh*t for a minute, I would pay extra to fly on childless flights. Either shut your crotch dropping up or don't f*cking fly.


Ya know, I've flown quite a bit, and the only time I've been bothered by a kid on a flight was the two kids watching a pokemon dvd without headphones, and I asked the mom to please have them use headphones, and she said they didn't want to. So that was a failure of parenting more than a bratty kid.

I flew to London this summer and sat across the aisle from a militarty wife flying solo with five kids from 8mos to 10 years. They were fantastic the entire flight (O'Hare to Heathrow). I offered to help her off the plane and through security though--she gladly accepted.

I'd rather fly with little kids next to me than some crabby-assed adult.
 
2009-12-26 08:39:12 PM
T.M.S.: Second weirdest thing I ever had happen to me on a Commercial flight.

Way to leave us hanging!
 
2009-12-26 08:39:21 PM
Like i needed another reason NOT to visit the USA.
Thanks America - you suck.
 
2009-12-26 08:39:29 PM
Getting as much of an ironic laugh out of the right wing wharrgarbl as the "WTF happened to common sense?" responses.

Would-be terrorists will keep pulling this shiat as long as Washington keeps jerking its knee in response. How else can one 23-year old idiot jerk around an entire country? The only viable response to this crap is to do nothing - so what if a few nut jobs want to set fire to their shoes and get the shiat beat out of them by other passengers? No one other than the attacker was seriously injured.

9/11 was a huge success for Al-Qaeda, not least because Bush went after Saddam instead of them.


And BTW to the yeehahs - the guy who stopped him wasn't American, probably German judging by the name and accent, but could be Dutch.
 
2009-12-26 08:39:35 PM
AntiNorm: T.M.S.: Why is it inconsiderate to take a child on an airplane?

Because of the nonstop WAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.



Have you considerd taking medication when you fly?

It might cut down on your non-stop crying.
 
2009-12-26 08:40:11 PM
The bigger the waste of money a government agency is, the more ridiculous its justifications are for its continued existence. The TSA is a sinkhole of suck and this idiotic rule was the best they could do on short notice. Of course, in the real world, someone determined to blow themselves to bits is not going to give even the teensiest steamed turd about following "the rules."

"Hey Achmed, did you hear the TSA has banned people from getting up during the last hour of a flight?"

"NOW what shall we do? Curse those infidels! They are too clever for us!"
 
2009-12-26 08:41:35 PM
(I'm using this thread to kill time until I pick my mom up from her flight in from Detroit, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies....)
 
2009-12-26 08:42:43 PM
stiletto_the_wise: gweilo8888: Reactionary nonsense that will not save a single life or make flying any safer - just increase the frustration and discontent of the traveling public in the name of pretending to "do something".

You know, if I were Osama and I was trying to bring America to a halt, I'd just recruit a few kids to do random terrorist-like things at all the various stages of air travel. Do a nice spread and cover them all:

1. Do something in the nice crowded security line.
2. Do something at the gate.
3. Do something during taxi/takeoff.
4. Do something during the first hour of flight.
5. Do something during the middle of the flight.
6. Do something during the last hour of flight.
7. Do something while landing.
8. Do something at the baggage claim.

Of course, the geniuses in Homeland Security will have to react and place knee-jerk restrictions at each of those stages, grinding all air travel to a halt.



I just heard a TSA moron wet himself with fear, excitement, and confusion when he read your post.
 
2009-12-26 08:42:48 PM
All the people who will complain don't have the first clue about how to run a security operation and will never have been shot at, or had their lives threatened in any meaningful way.

All the people who run security operations don't give the slightest fark about the feelings of those who complain.

The aim of terrorism is to disrupt your activity.

Mission Accomplished.
 
2009-12-26 08:43:56 PM
www.westernclippings.com
 
2009-12-26 08:44:49 PM
zabadu: Use Burbank airport instead.

Burbank is in the US can can't deal with lots of Jumbos. A 5 minute stop over in Mexico before heading to LAX would reduce the expenses by the airlines since they would get to fly by easier rules for most of the flight.
 
2009-12-26 08:46:02 PM
Meet Us at the Stick: T.M.S.: Second weirdest thing I ever had happen to me on a Commercial flight.

Way to leave us hanging!


New Delhi to NYC.

Quarantined for Pneumonic Plague. Guys in the Andromeda Strain suits, TV news, flight crew locked in the cockpit, the whole bit.
 
2009-12-26 08:46:11 PM
I can only assume you dolts who get on planes full of crying babies are like you morons who go to theaters full of talking teenagers. I've yet to get on any flight where I was surrounded by shrieking babies, and I've been flying back & forth across the country since I was 5 myself. The worst experiences I ever had was sitting next to huge fat people (two different flights); I'd say that was nominal out of god knows how many times I've flown.

Tip: If you can't handle it, get a prescription for a sleep aid from your doctor and take it about 30 minutes before you fly. You all are just too high-strung to be enclosed in a plane if you have such terrible experiences.
 
2009-12-26 08:46:12 PM
zabadu: DON.MAC: As someone who flies into LAX way too much, can someone build a real International airport in Tijuana? My next flight will be to Vancouver if I can find a way to avoid LAX

Use Burbank airport instead.


SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
 
2009-12-26 08:47:26 PM
T.M.S.: Have you considerd taking medication when you fly?

It might cut down on your non-stop crying.


At least my crying doesn't annoy every single person on the goddamned plane. The same cannot be said of your little crotch dropping.
 
2009-12-26 08:47:32 PM
They should allow Airlines to offer low-security flights, and give you a discount for not needing security screening. No one is going to ever sucsessfully hijack a US airliner again, so the only risk is they blow it up. Only people effected are those who choose low security. You could still screen for guns if you really want to, but no one with a box-cutter is going to get anywhere with it
 
2009-12-26 08:48:07 PM
Gyrfalcon: I can only assume you dolts who get on planes full of crying babies are like you morons who go to theaters full of talking teenagers.

No one told me that living in a society would bring me into contact with humans and their behavior.
 
2009-12-26 08:48:46 PM
Gyrfalcon: NeedleGuy: from one news link: Dr Mutallab is said to have warned the US authorities about his son's extreme views six months ago. Abdulmutallab was reportedly on a security watch list,

So the US authorities knew about this guy, he was on a security watch list and still was able to fly into the United States with no questions asked.

I guess you don't get much for the trillion dollars our government has spent on the War on TerrorTM these days.

BECAUSE HE GOT ON THE PLANE SOMEPLACE ELSE!!!

I don't know why that seems to be eluding everyone. US authorities can know a guy wants to murder the President; but that's not going to help if the assassin buys a ticket in Nigeria and gets on the plane in Lagos with a layover in Amsterdam. F*ck


He had a US visa that was good thru 2011.
The US homeland security (or WTF it calls itself these days)
REQUIRES persons from visa waiver countries (UK, etc) register with the US government
Link (new window)

Nobody in the EU WANTS to visit the US.
I'm a US citizen and I don't want to visit. I travel all over for work and visiting the US is the worst
 
2009-12-26 08:48:46 PM
funsized: (I'm using this thread to kill time until I pick my mom up from her flight in from Detroit, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies....)

Well let me help you kill some more time.

This better world the our Government and the TSA want us to live in...about that...

i50.tinypic.com
 
2009-12-26 08:49:38 PM
I'm getting sick of this.

It's getting to the point where I'm about ready to swear off commercial airlines for everything but inter-continental travel.

The more of an invasive hassle flying becomes, the more attractive Amtrak becomes as an alternative. No matter how much longer it takes.

You hear that, terrorists? You've won. You've made flying absolutely suck for millions of Americans, and you've made our own government do it to us. Congratulations.
 
2009-12-26 08:49:58 PM
TheSignPost: All the people who will complain The TSA don't have the first clue about how to run a security operation and will never have been shot at, or had their lives threatened in any meaningful way.

All the people who run security operations don't give the slightest fark about the feelings of those who complain.

The aim of terrorism is to disrupt your activity.

Mission Accomplished.
 
2009-12-26 08:50:32 PM
funsized: (I'm using this thread to kill time until I pick my mom up from her flight in from Detroit, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies....)

I eagerly await the day technology allows replies to kick. :P
 
2009-12-26 08:51:00 PM
WOW. yeah. great idea. let's terrorize average civilians because 0.001% of "Muzzies" as you call them, are extremists.
speaking of extremists, which backwoods bible camp gutter did you crawl out of?


I'm not religious AT ALL. And I am dammed sick and tired of all the pussyfooting around when it comes to dealing with these invading barbarians. Stomp them into farkin' meatpaste and be done with it. I am tired of all the bullshiat I have to put up with when flying because we won't farkin' kick the asses of the ONLY PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE: MUSLIMS!
 
2009-12-26 08:51:28 PM
AntiNorm: T.M.S.: Have you considerd taking medication when you fly?

It might cut down on your non-stop crying.

At least my crying doesn't annoy every single person on the goddamned plane. The same cannot be said of your little crotch dropping.




PRO TIP: Baby don't like flying...
 
2009-12-26 08:52:27 PM
Why don't they just remove the restrooms while they're at it.

/soon, it'll be easier to just walk.
 
2009-12-26 08:52:57 PM
"wahhhhh im a muslim, wahhhhh. we hate everything. wahhhh. now flying gonna suck for you infidels"

wtf is with these guys anyway?
 
2009-12-26 08:53:15 PM
AntiNorm: T.M.S.: Have you considerd taking medication when you fly?

It might cut down on your non-stop crying.

At least my crying doesn't annoy every single person on the goddamned plane. The same cannot be said of your little crotch dropping.


Don't sell yourself short.

I'm sure you are much more annoying than you give yourself credit for.
 
2009-12-26 08:53:37 PM
CougarJeff: Let's just start putting everyone in hibernation chambers when we check in.

Fill the passenger cabin with reefer smoke ala Cheech and Chong.
 
2009-12-26 08:53:56 PM
The T.S.A. planned to add more security resources as needed on a daily basis, a person with knowledge of the agency's plans said. The person said travelers would not experience the same thing at every airport, and that the system would be unpredictable by design.

sbadrinath.files.wordpress.com
The new TSA?
 
2009-12-26 08:54:29 PM
Can we have this rule for movie theaters too?
 
2009-12-26 08:54:55 PM
mark12A: WOW. yeah. great idea. let's terrorize average civilians because 0.001% of "Muzzies" as you call them, are extremists.
speaking of extremists, which backwoods bible camp gutter did you crawl out of?

I'm not religious AT ALL. And I am dammed sick and tired of all the pussyfooting around when it comes to dealing with these invading barbarians. Stomp them into farkin' meatpaste and be done with it. I am tired of all the bullshiat I have to put up with when flying because we won't farkin' kick the asses of the ONLY PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE: MUSLIMS!


"Hello, I need to hire five non-Arab mercenaries to hijack a plane. $10,000 each, plus the same for their families if they don't survive. Indonesian? Perfect. We'll wire the money to Jakarta. Allahu Akbar!"
 
2009-12-26 08:55:17 PM
It might be the Vicodin talking, but this thread is really amusing me. Kind of irritating too, but in more of a 'dude, you're such a douche' way than an 'I must get in the middle of this.'.

/you know who you are. Douche.
 
2009-12-26 08:55:38 PM
SlothB77: more:

His father, Umaru, is the former economics minister of Nigeria. He retired earlier this month as the chairman of the First Bank of Nigeria but is still on the boards of several of Nigeria's biggest firms, including Jaiz International, a holding company for the Islamic Bank. The 70-year-old, who was also educated in London, holds the Commander of the Order of the Niger as well as the Italian Order of Merit.


Wow. I wonder if he'll need to move a large sum of money out of the country now. Maybe I can help, for a finder's fee.
 
2009-12-26 08:55:39 PM
mark12A: invading barbarians

I can take a guess at how mark12A handles illegal immigration discussions...

/imagines him sittin' on his porch
//tin foil crown glistening in the Pennsylvania sun
 
2009-12-26 08:55:42 PM
T.M.S.: Don't sell yourself short.

I'm sure you are much more annoying than you give yourself credit for.


I'm sure I am annoying at times. That doesn't discount the fact that screaming babies are EXTREMELY annoying, to everyone else on the plane (not just me).
 
2009-12-26 08:55:44 PM
I really didn't expect much from the Obaminskis. Not much.

All I hoped was that they wouldn't be quite as STOOPID as the Bushniks.

After this move, I can hardly wait to hear "proof" that Iran was involved.
 
2009-12-26 08:55:55 PM
Also, as an electrical engineer who has the knowledge to hotwire a lithium-ion battery pack from your [insert electronic device here] to create a nice chemical fire/explode, I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

/Seriously, every one of your precious little electronic devices, laptops, ipods, is a potential bomb...
//we should ban everything to keep us safe on planes, including a ban on breathing recycled air.
 
2009-12-26 08:56:23 PM
SapperInTexas: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

THIS.

Start strip-searching the brown-skin guys with beards. They're the ones responsible. That's not racism, that's simple statistics. (Muslim male, 17-40 years old, we've all seen that e-mail by now) But our leaders won't come out and say it. Cowards.


I felt the same way after the Oklahoma City Bombing. Except it was white rednecks that I wanted to see strip searched. Especially ones from Texas.
 
2009-12-26 08:56:25 PM
Jane Douche: It might be the Vicodin talking, but this thread is really amusing me. Kind of irritating too, but in more of a 'dude, you're such a douche' way than an 'I must get in the middle of this.'.

/you know who you are. Douche.
 
2009-12-26 08:56:26 PM
Doc Daneeka: I'm getting sick of this.

It's getting to the point where I'm about ready to swear off commercial airlines for everything but inter-continental travel.

The more of an invasive hassle flying becomes, the more attractive Amtrak becomes as an alternative. No matter how much longer it takes.

You hear that, terrorists? You've won. You've made flying absolutely suck for millions of Americans, and you've made our own government do it to us. Congratulations.


Say the titty-baby who flys once a year from bum-frak to cliche family destination.

Kindly STFU & DIAF.

The people in this thread that biatch the loudest are the ones who travel the least....

Your average corporate travel guy or gal, while we grumble, also are typically more than happy with flying.

I fly AA constantly and honestly typically am ok. I dont get the flying hatred but w/e you guys can whine all you want. I know you are actually a bunch of butt-hurt travel hating basement dwellers who leave once every 3 years.
 
2009-12-26 08:56:53 PM
Doc Daneeka:

Doc! Jump Doc! Get out of the plane!!
 
2009-12-26 08:57:29 PM
Gyrfalcon: I can only assume you dolts who get on planes full of crying babies are like you morons who go to theaters full of talking teenagers. I've yet to get on any flight where I was surrounded by shrieking babies, and I've been flying back & forth across the country since I was 5 myself.

I took a red-eye flight from Seattle to NYC once. Had a baby in the seat immediately behind me - shrieking at full volume the entire five hours, continuously from take-off to landing. About one foot behind my head. For five hours. Headphones did nothing to block it out. I wasn't able to sleep a wink all night (and I had to work the next day).

Worst flight I ever took, and one of the most unpleasant experiences in my life. I was sick and exhausted the entire next day, and had a splitting headache for the next 24 hours.

Putting aside for a moment the entire debate about babies on planes ... who the hell takes their baby on a red-eye?!? Where people are expecting to be able to get some sleep?
 
2009-12-26 08:57:32 PM
mark12A: WOW. yeah. great idea. let's terrorize average civilians because 0.001% of "Muzzies" as you call them, are extremists.
speaking of extremists, which backwoods bible camp gutter did you crawl out of?

I'm not religious AT ALL. And I am dammed sick and tired of all the pussyfooting around when it comes to dealing with these invading barbarians. Stomp them into farkin' meatpaste and be done with it. I am tired of all the bullshiat I have to put up with when flying because we won't farkin' kick the asses of the ONLY PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE: MUSLIMS!


Well, the obvious solution is to bomb Iran then, right? RIGHT?
 
2009-12-26 08:58:01 PM
moops: funsized: Because God only knows that there are certainly no circumstances where a child has to fly-

No, there are none. You don't get to invade everybody's personal space because you have a child screaming, kicking, and running up and down the aisles.


What happens if you are transferred to another country? Put the kid up for adoption?
Quit your well paying job?
Take trains and a boat?

I am not a big fan of kids and you have no right subjecting my boat or train ride to someone's brat just because you want them off your plane.

Plus if you really want to think about it plane travel is really the best way to transport your brat with the use of public transportation. You are subjecting people to your brat for the least amount of time possible.
 
2009-12-26 08:58:07 PM
UltimaCS: mark12A: invading barbarians

I can take a guess at how mark12A handles illegal immigration discussions...

/imagines him sittin' on his porch
//tin foil crown glistening in the Pennsylvania sun


He's probably whiter than an Idaho snowfall.
 
2009-12-26 08:58:44 PM
The further Pussification of America continues...
 
2009-12-26 08:59:02 PM
This will end well.

At least one greenlight next week with TSA/Airport Security and a family with a pre-Kindergarten kid over the new rules.

/yes, we drive
//smug South Park driver pic
 
2009-12-26 08:59:13 PM
DFWPhotoGuy: Doc Daneeka: I'm getting sick of this.

It's getting to the point where I'm about ready to swear off commercial airlines for everything but inter-continental travel.

The more of an invasive hassle flying becomes, the more attractive Amtrak becomes as an alternative. No matter how much longer it takes.

You hear that, terrorists? You've won. You've made flying absolutely suck for millions of Americans, and you've made our own government do it to us. Congratulations.

Say the titty-baby who flys once a year from bum-frak to cliche family destination.

Kindly STFU & DIAF.

The people in this thread that biatch the loudest are the ones who travel the least....

Your average corporate travel guy or gal, while we grumble, also are typically more than happy with flying.

I fly AA constantly and honestly typically am ok. I dont get the flying hatred but w/e you guys can whine all you want. I know you are actually a bunch of butt-hurt travel hating basement dwellers who leave once every 3 years.


I just read my post. It came across a little too much gym in 26 minutes /internet tough-guy / studman69.

I am chugging a bunch of harpoon IPA's right now so things are starting to go spinny.

REGARDLESS! I dont get the flying hatred. I have said this multiple times...I fly ALL THE TIME and honestly other than people who DONT KNOW HOW TO TRAVEL I typically have a great time.
 
2009-12-26 08:59:17 PM
boiseguardian.com
 
2009-12-26 08:59:54 PM
Doc Daneeka: I'm getting sick of this.

Staying true to your character, I see.
 
2009-12-26 09:00:38 PM
TheSignPost: All the people who will complain don't have the first clue about how to run a security operation and will never have been shot at, or had their lives threatened in any meaningful way.

All the people who run security operations don't give the slightest fark about the feelings of those who complain.

The aim of terrorism is to disrupt your activity.

Mission Accomplished.


I think that everyone's big problem is c) the people who run security operations don't know how to run security operations.

Not being able to leave your seat for the last hour of a flight is going to cause grandma to piss her pants, not prevent a terrorist attack.
 
2009-12-26 09:00:42 PM
"Hello, I need to hire five non-Arab mercenaries to hijack a plane. $10,000 each, plus the same for their families if they don't survive. Indonesian? Perfect. We'll wire the money to Jakarta. Allahu Akbar!"

Where in ANY of my posts have I said ARAB? The problem is MUSLIMS. And why the HELL would mercenaries go on a suicide mission. Kinda defeats the purpose of being a merc, don't cha think?

Sweat ALL muslims until they clean up their act or leave western civilization.
 
2009-12-26 09:00:53 PM
It is obvious from this thread we have major issues with fat muslim babies who work for the TSA.
 
2009-12-26 09:01:54 PM
DFWPhotoGuy: Doc Daneeka: I'm getting sick of this.

It's getting to the point where I'm about ready to swear off commercial airlines for everything but inter-continental travel.

The more of an invasive hassle flying becomes, the more attractive Amtrak becomes as an alternative. No matter how much longer it takes.

You hear that, terrorists? You've won. You've made flying absolutely suck for millions of Americans, and you've made our own government do it to us. Congratulations.

Say the titty-baby who flys once a year from bum-frak to cliche family destination.

Kindly STFU & DIAF.

The people in this thread that biatch the loudest are the ones who travel the least....

Your average corporate travel guy or gal, while we grumble, also are typically more than happy with flying.

I flyattend AA constantly and honestly typically am ok. I dont get the flying hatred but w/e you guys can whine all you want. I know you are actually a bunch of butt-hurt travel hating basement dwellers who leave once every 3 years.


But which airline do you prefer?
 
2009-12-26 09:02:36 PM
fark this. I'm taking a train.

//what's that? I have to be locked up where because I have an unloaded handgun?

http://www.gadling.com/2009/12/19/new-law-demands-that-gun-carrying-amtrak-pass e ngers-be-locked-in/

aw the hell with this I'm jsut driving...
 
2009-12-26 09:03:02 PM
AntiNorm: T.M.S.: Don't sell yourself short.

I'm sure you are much more annoying than you give yourself credit for.

I'm sure I am annoying at times. That doesn't discount the fact that screaming babies are EXTREMELY annoying, to everyone else on the plane (not just me).


Agreed. That's why I am glad my baby doesn't scream on planes.

Even when she was attacked by a self righteous crusader of the noble "no children on planes" movement she still refused to cry.

She's tough like that I guess.
 
2009-12-26 09:03:35 PM
AntiNorm: T.M.S.: Have you considerd taking medication when you fly?



FTFY
 
2009-12-26 09:03:35 PM
Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: I felt the same way after the Oklahoma City Bombing. Except it was white rednecks that I wanted to see strip searched. Especially ones from Texas.

Right, except the only suspects in the beginner were brown people. We certainly showed our racism on that one:
At first, the original reports from witnesses described two "middle eastern males" in blue jumpsuits or jogging suits spotted in the immediate area of the Murrah building. The Media picked up on this lead, and with the FBI and international law enforcement agencies rapidly becoming involved, working feverishly to track any such suspects, a single middle-eastern male was apprehended in London at Heathrow Airport, allegedly with explosive materials in his luggage. He had left the U.S. earlier that day and came under immediate scrutiny due to description, age, timing and profile.
 
2009-12-26 09:04:24 PM
KiwDaWabbit:

Not being able to leave your seat for the last hour of a flight is going to cause grandma to piss her pants, not prevent a terrorist attack.


And that'll get clened up real well on the 15 minute turnaround
 
2009-12-26 09:04:41 PM
mark12A: Where in ANY of my posts have I said ARAB? The problem is MUSLIMS.

Damn, you're stupid.

The problem is FUNDAMENTALISTS.
 
2009-12-26 09:04:56 PM
mark12A: "Hello, I need to hire five non-Arab mercenaries to hijack a plane. $10,000 each, plus the same for their families if they don't survive. Indonesian? Perfect. We'll wire the money to Jakarta. Allahu Akbar!"

Where in ANY of my posts have I said ARAB? The problem is MUSLIMS. And why the HELL would mercenaries go on a suicide mission. Kinda defeats the purpose of being a merc, don't cha think?

Sweat ALL muslims until they clean up their act or leave western civilization.


All of them? Everywhere? God, you're stupid. Go back under your bridge.
 
2009-12-26 09:05:20 PM
NutWrench: "Hey Achmed, did you hear the TSA has banned people from getting up during the last hour of a flight?"

"NOW what shall we do? Curse those infidels! They are too clever for us!"


HAHAHA Yea exactly!

I can just see it now. Osama and his buddies are in a cave somewhere and the messenger runs in:

Messenger: "Osama!! You know your latest plan where the hijackers will get out of their seats 30 minutes before landing??? Look at the news! WE'RE SCREWED!! It's against the rules now!!!"

Osama: "Oh, crap! Time to scrap those 10 years of planning and start again!"

What really bothers me is that this satire seems to have never even crossed Janet Napolitano's mind.
 
2009-12-26 09:05:52 PM
Combined with the 80% of flight that the carts are blocking the aisles that leaves about 15-20 minutes for everyone to take a piss.
 
2009-12-26 09:08:28 PM
Babies tend to cry at the start and end of a flight as the pressure changes and they don't know how to deal with it.
 
2009-12-26 09:08:31 PM
Combined with the 80% of flight that the carts are blocking the aisles that leaves about 15-20 minutes for everyone to take a piss.

Unless you're over 40, you won't need to.
 
2009-12-26 09:08:54 PM
AbbeySomeone: DFWPhotoGuy: Doc Daneeka: I'm getting sick of this.

It's getting to the point where I'm about ready to swear off commercial airlines for everything but inter-continental travel.

The more of an invasive hassle flying becomes, the more attractive Amtrak becomes as an alternative. No matter how much longer it takes.

You hear that, terrorists? You've won. You've made flying absolutely suck for millions of Americans, and you've made our own government do it to us. Congratulations.

Say the titty-baby who flys once a year from bum-frak to cliche family destination.

Kindly STFU & DIAF.

The people in this thread that biatch the loudest are the ones who travel the least....

Your average corporate travel guy or gal, while we grumble, also are typically more than happy with flying.

I flyattend AA constantly and honestly typically am ok. I dont get the flying hatred but w/e you guys can whine all you want. I know you are actually a bunch of butt-hurt travel hating basement dwellers who leave once every 3 years.

But which airline do you prefer?


HA! I should probably update my profile seeing as I have fallen off the wagon. again. But wtf...we finally are planning our wedding! Its time to celebrate!

And yeah I typically fly American Airlines and really have a very nice time. Yes there are kids that make me want to get all stabby/blowey-uppy but in the big picture...its a small bump on the overall trip.
 
2009-12-26 09:09:41 PM
Surely this will foil all future terrorist attacks. They don't like breaking laws.
 
2009-12-26 09:09:53 PM
trouzourt: -this is just the beginning. Obamacare will use these rules are a prelude to destroy any chance you might have for life saving surgery

-at least during Mr. Bush's years we were FREE to walk around or go to the washroom in the last hour of the flight.

-the bobmer is really a close relative of Obama and was paid by him to attack America.

-its because Obama is a secret muslin and wants to destroy america that the calls from this bomber-wannabe were ignored...


//does that cover all angles? or i missed something


The bomber was a relative of Colin Powell and was paid to attack the airline.

/why yes, I went there
 
2009-12-26 09:09:58 PM
mark12A: Where in ANY of my posts have I said ARAB? The problem is MUSLIMS.

Damn, you're stupid.

The problem is FUNDAMENTALISTS.


The problem is FUNDAMENTALISTS AND the mainstream muslims who are doing NOTHING to stop them. Why should they? Fark with fundies and they fark you back.

So the mainstream muzzies need to be MOTIVATED to shut the fundies down. Making life miserable for ALL muzzies will accomplish that. Either they drive out the fundies, or they leave the west. Either works.
 
2009-12-26 09:10:10 PM
mark12A: And still everybody dances around the actual problem:

MUSLIMS ON AIRPLANES!

Shrinkwrap the bastards before loading them on the plane. Profile and search them from their toenails to last follicle on their farking heads!

I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.


do you recall the unibomber?
or Tim McVey?
or the guy who blew up abortion clinics?
or the bomber at the Atlanta olympic games?
or a group called the IRA?

"they're all muslims" my ass. THEY WRE ALL WHITE MEN. The fact that they blew up cars and buildings and not planes don't matter at all, since there are other terrorist targets besides planes.

How about Richard reid, the shoe bomber? he converted to Islam but he was white.

the moment they start profiling group A and letting group B go thru unchecked is the moment they figure out how to get bombs into Group B's luggage/crutches/purses, etc. or they just hold someone in group B's family hostage and tell them to get on the plane with this package or else grandma gets it.
 
2009-12-26 09:12:22 PM
Bucky Katt: f you got to pee, don't want until the last minute to head to the loo. Either plan ahead or just whip it out and pee on the seat in front of you.

that must be where the term euro trash comes from
 
2009-12-26 09:12:24 PM
The overall effect of making flying suck more is making me fly less.

/the country starts getting big again once you stop using airplanes.
 
2009-12-26 09:13:20 PM
Yay for more useless security theatre!

Personally, I'm willing to keep using electronics, keep moving about the plane and keep some shred of dignity, no matter what that may cost in the longrun...
 
2009-12-26 09:14:52 PM
Note to self:

Bring empty Gatorade bottle on next flight.

/'scuse me while I whip this out
 
2009-12-26 09:15:02 PM
mark12A: So the mainstream muzzies need to be MOTIVATED to shut the fundies down. Making life miserable for ALL muzzies will accomplish that. Either they drive out the fundies, or they leave the west. Either works.

Stop watching Fox "News" while you still can.
 
2009-12-26 09:16:02 PM
mark12A: The problem is FUNDAMENTALISTS AND the mainstream muslims who are doing NOTHING to stop them. Why should they? Fark with fundies and they fark you back.

Assuming you're a Christian, and that you'd consider yourself "mainstream", what do YOU PERSONALLY DO to "stop" the fundamentalist doctor murderers who assassinate abortion doctors? I want to hear actions, buddy.
 
2009-12-26 09:16:30 PM
zahadum party planner: mark12A: And still everybody dances around the actual problem:

MUSLIMS ON AIRPLANES!

Shrinkwrap the bastards before loading them on the plane. Profile and search them from their toenails to last follicle on their farking heads!

I don't give a fark that "most of them are innocent". ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes ARE MUSLIMS. ALL OF THEM.

do you recall the unibomber?
or Tim McVey?
or the guy who blew up abortion clinics?
or the bomber at the Atlanta olympic games?
or a group called the IRA?

"they're all muslims" my ass. THEY WRE ALL WHITE MEN. The fact that they blew up cars and buildings and not planes don't matter at all, since there are other terrorist targets besides planes.

How about Richard reid, the shoe bomber? he converted to Islam but he was white.

the moment they start profiling group A and letting group B go thru unchecked is the moment they figure out how to get bombs into Group B's luggage/crutches/purses, etc. or they just hold someone in group B's family hostage and tell them to get on the plane with this package or else grandma gets it.


Yeah, looks white to me.

tomdiaz.files.wordpress.com

/hot like his shoes
 
2009-12-26 09:18:29 PM
stiletto_the_wise: mark12A: The problem is FUNDAMENTALISTS AND the mainstream muslims who are doing NOTHING to stop them. Why should they? Fark with fundies and they fark you back.

Assuming you're a Christian, and that you'd consider yourself "mainstream", what do YOU PERSONALLY DO to "stop" the fundamentalist doctor murderers who assassinate abortion doctors? I want to hear actions, buddy.


Please say outlaw abortions in this country! Please oh please oh please!
 
2009-12-26 09:18:51 PM
zahadum party planner: How about Richard reid, the shoe bomber? he converted to Islam but he was white.

Eh??

I'd say if he's white, then so is Obama.
 
2009-12-26 09:19:06 PM
Bucky Katt: If you got to pee, don't want until the last minute to head to the loo. Either plan ahead or just whip it out and pee on the seat in front of you.

Unfortunately, one hour sometimes isn't really available. I have relatives in China, on the flight coming back breakfast is served as we are approaching America. IIRC they haven't finished clearing it out a hour before touchdown.

Furthermore, most everyone's been sleeping, so there's quite a crowd for the bathrooms.

One carryon would also be a big headache as I'll be carrying both a laptop and a DSLR camera.

Mors: DB Co

Actually, there used to be a lot of them. The reason we originally had weapons checks at boarding was the airlines got tired of the schedule disruption of being hijacked to Cuba.

gweilo8888: Reactionary nonsense that will not save a single life or make flying any safer - just increase the frustration and discontent of the traveling public in the name of pretending to "do something".

Frankly, the only thing this will actually do is make me less likely to want to travel in the first place.


Yup. These changes aren't going to make one actual iota of difference. They're just a matter of doing something.
 
2009-12-26 09:20:15 PM
geedavey: Yeah, looks white to me.

How about this guy:

www.weaselzippers.net

Reference
 
2009-12-26 09:20:30 PM
do you recall the unibomber?
or Tim McVey?
or the guy who blew up abortion clinics?
or the bomber at the Atlanta olympic games?
or a group called the IRA?


SOMEBODY has a problem with reading comprehension. Note the above: "ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes.."

None of your heroes attacked airplanes.

Jeez, you're stupid....
 
2009-12-26 09:23:00 PM
mark12A: None of your heroes attacked airplanes.

Heroes?

That's enough from you.
 
2009-12-26 09:25:57 PM
FTFA:

But the government seemed to discount those concerns. The Homeland Security secretary, Janet Napolitano, said in a statement Saturday that new measures were "designed to be unpredictable, so passengers should not expect to see the same thing everywhere." She said passengers should proceed with their holiday plans [...]

Plans... don't tend do well, faced with unpredictable.
 
2009-12-26 09:27:19 PM
Braindeath: Hau Ruck: It's a good thing a minority of us actually read books anymore.

This sentence makes me cry even in context.


Same here. I've realized that a Kindle (or Sony or other e-reader) makes it much nicer than cramming 4-5 books into your carry on luggage (or even checked luggage for later). But let's keep people from using these, maybe we can make them read the in flight magazine that we pay too much to produce. Or worse still, we can make them read sky mall.
 
2009-12-26 09:27:48 PM
mark12A: or the guy who blew up abortion clinics?
or the bomber at the Atlanta olympic games?

Same guy. The name is Eric Rudolph.

This is one of the many reasons why I refuse to get on an airplane. If I ever go overseas again, I'm taking a boat.
 
2009-12-26 09:28:18 PM
I wonder if a riot on a plane by infuriated passengers would be considered a terrorist attack?
 
2009-12-26 09:29:42 PM
mark12A: do you recall the unibomber?
or Tim McVey?
or the guy who blew up abortion clinics?
or the bomber at the Atlanta olympic games?
or a group called the IRA?

SOMEBODY has a problem with reading comprehension. Note the above: "ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes.."

None of your heroes attacked airplanes.

Jeez, you're stupid....


Japanese Red Army: Hijacked planes. Were not Muslim. (1970's)
Cuban dissidents: Hijacked planes. Were not Muslim. (1960's-70's_)
Sikh secessionists: Hijacked planes. Were not Muslim. (1970's-80's)
Anti-Marcos revolutionaries: Hijacked a plane in the Philippines. Were not Muslim.

God, you're stupid.
 
2009-12-26 09:29:46 PM
And here I thought this obvious breakdown in security protocol would lead to a good hard look at the qualifications and diligence of the TSA agents that allow such people on the planes in the first place. Silly me, the REAL solution is to further punish innocent, paying customers. Yeah. That'll do the trick. Why fix the problem when you can create another problem to distract everyone from the original one? BRILLIANT!
 
2009-12-26 09:30:19 PM
i25.photobucket.com
 
2009-12-26 09:30:50 PM
just came here to say i have no problem pissing in my seat during the last hour of the flight... seems like it would mildly inconvenience the airlines with little-to-no risk to myself.
 
2009-12-26 09:32:07 PM
I'm going to have to start defriending on some sites and keeping a list of people now since it's alarming how much absolutist idiocy and plain racism out there. And it grows with each time this happens. I guess you find out who's a decent person when stuff starts getting scary. The same jackwads who are saying crap like "It's all MUSLIMS!" are the ones who would no doubt murder you and rob your corpse if they thought they "had to."

Some folks are decent no matter how bad things get. And this is only a FAILED terror attempt and a restriction on behavior on an airplane. Relatively minor in the grand scheme of things. People who turn into pricks at THIS level of stress, I just don't want around me. Think of how farked up their behaviour would be in a real crisis.
 
2009-12-26 09:34:49 PM
It really mystifies me why you farkers so energetically defend muslims (they're NOT all bad!!!!1111ONE!!), yet these same muzzies (ALL OF THEM) would butcher your other favorite cause, gay rights, by actually killing all the gays they could if they ever got into power. Don't agree? Please name an Islamic controlled country where gays do have rights. Just one. I'll wait.

They're barbarians. They need to be treated as such until they behave in a civilized manner. "ONLY 25% of them supporting suicide bombing" does not constitute civilized behaviour. Looking the other way while Islamic Rage Boys patrols the streets IS NOT civilized behaviour.
 
2009-12-26 09:36:08 PM
Earl of Chives: How about this - no more carry on bags allowed - only a "personal item". That means $20-30 extra per person...adds up quick.

As long as those of us that have reasonable carry on bags (backpacks) are allowed to keep them, I'm good with this. I'm all for keeping asshats with oversize rolling bags from bringing them onboard and spending five minutes trying to cram these into an overhead bin. All while backing up 30 other people trying to get to their seats.

It'd be nice if the carry on baggage size were enforced, at least. But with $20+ checked baggage fees, it's not likely.
 
2009-12-26 09:36:48 PM
How exactly is this supposed to prevent an attack? It just means the terrorists will have to do what they do earlier in the flight.

The question Congress should be asking, is if current TSA procedure should have prevented this guy from getting on the flight. It seems like they dropped the ball, and to cover their ass they've come up with a new security measure.
 
2009-12-26 09:37:36 PM
mark12A: It really mystifies me why you farkers so energetically defend muslims (they're NOT all bad!!!!1111ONE!!), yet these same muzzies (ALL OF THEM) would butcher your other favorite cause, gay rights, by actually killing all the gays they could if they ever got into power. Don't agree? Please name an Islamic controlled country where gays do have rights. Just one. I'll wait.

They're barbarians. They need to be treated as such until they behave in a civilized manner. "ONLY 25% of them supporting suicide bombing" does not constitute civilized behaviour. Looking the other way while Islamic Rage Boys patrols the streets IS NOT civilized behaviour.


Why? YOU'RE not behaving in a civilized manner. What's good for the goose is good for the racist bastard who lives under a bridge, don't you agree? I'll agree to treat everyone who acts like a barbarian just the same, starting with the people closest to me, sturmbannfurher.
 
2009-12-26 09:38:41 PM
Well, I'm impressed. Usually, after a terrorist incident, the Fark discussion is full of xenophobes eager to show off their freshly pissed-in pants. Today there's only one or two. That's the first indicator in a long time that the terrorists aren't having their desired effect.
 
2009-12-26 09:39:18 PM
mark12A: It really mystifies me why you farkers so energetically defend muslims (they're NOT all bad!!!!1111ONE!!), yet these same muzzies (ALL OF THEM) would butcher your other favorite cause, gay rights, by actually killing all the gays they could if they ever got into power. Don't agree? Please name an Islamic controlled country where gays do have rights. Just one. I'll wait.

They're barbarians. They need to be treated as such until they behave in a civilized manner. "ONLY 25% of them supporting suicide bombing" does not constitute civilized behaviour. Looking the other way while Islamic Rage Boys patrols the streets IS NOT civilized behaviour.


6/10. You almost got me to bite on that one
 
2009-12-26 09:40:34 PM
Not a surprising reaction from a nation full of medicated controllers. Left or right, it doesn't matter, for you all have the unabated desire to control all events and all people through your legislation and guideline creating.

It's not hard to see why government and regulation must be combated at all costs, at all times. Many Farkers can come in and whine that a government agency saddles them with useless regulation (seems the only thing that stops terrorist attacks are the goddamn people on the plane... once again, individuals are the answer) then want the government in their health care and energy sectors pumping out regulations. This is cognitive dissonance in its purest form.

No amount of government interference prevented this attempt. They failed, like every single time, and will fail again no matter what new useless bullshiat they put lawful citizens through. As always, an individual acting selfishly (I assume the passengers didn't want to die) save the day.

Who is John Galt? He's a passenger on this plane, evidently.
 
2009-12-26 09:41:54 PM
So why don't we just not let people on NO FLY LISTS.... NOT FLY ON PLANES!!!!

-That or start profiling {GASP} Muslims who are known radicals!
 
2009-12-26 09:42:03 PM
After following this thread, I have come to the following conclusion:

The terrorist actions since 9/11 have failed to do more than singe/burn the perpetrator, and since the most annoying and violence inducing air travel scenario involves crying/screaming babies - the best course of action for bin Laden et al is to FARK like bunnies and knock up as many veil-wearers as possible. Then, they need to flood the airlines with bratty, screaming, pooping, spit-up machine/germ factories. Once every row on every flight is occupied by at least one spoiled crotch-fruit, sane passengers will be driven to commit suicide themselves or storm the cockpit and crash the airplane in an attempt to cease their misery.

This has been an observation from someone who only flies Cessna and wouldn't be caught dead on one of those "crowd killers."
 
2009-12-26 09:43:05 PM
AntiNorm: T.M.S.: Don't sell yourself short.

I'm sure you are much more annoying than you give yourself credit for.

I'm sure I am annoying at times. That doesn't discount the fact that screaming babies are EXTREMELY annoying, to everyone else on the plane (not just me).


I've flown all over the world. I've not been annoyed by a screaming baby anywhere near as much as you've whined about it.
 
2009-12-26 09:43:22 PM
desynch: Say it isn't so... ANOTHER MUSLIM trying to attack America?


but but but but I thought they were PEACEFUL?


I love how it takes a minor inconvenience to bring out the racism and xenophobia that lies under the surface.
 
2009-12-26 09:45:13 PM
It's a good thing he only had a bomb and not something really dangerous like a wrong-sized tube of toothpaste or a drink that wasn't bought in the terminal for a 400% markup
 
2009-12-26 09:45:17 PM
Larofeticus: The most effective weapon the terrorists have is the TSA.

Do you not understand what terrorism is? At all?
 
2009-12-26 09:45:20 PM
Japanese Red Army: Hijacked planes. Were not Muslim. (1970's)
Cuban dissidents: Hijacked planes. Were not Muslim. (1960's-70's_)
Sikh secessionists: Hijacked planes. Were not Muslim. (1970's-80's)
Anti-Marcos revolutionaries: Hijacked a plane in the Philippines. Were not Muslim.


ARE THEY CURRENTLY DOING THIS?? HAVE THEY IN THE PAST 20 FARKIN' YEARS?

They are not, hence there is no need to care about those groups.
The problem is MUSLIMS. Now. At the moment. If Mormons were running around blowing themselves up on airplanes, you're damm straight I'd be calling for invading Salt Lake City.


Tell me, if a dog runs up and starts chewing on your leg, do you start screaming for a lampshade? Do you always disassociate cause and effect?
 
2009-12-26 09:45:36 PM
What happens if the plane is delayed in landing? I've been stuck on flights that have had to circle for an extra hour or two before landing. At some point this "no getting up for the last hour" rule is going to intersect with the new "no holding people hostage for three hours" rule.
 
2009-12-26 09:46:05 PM
Meet Us at the Stick: mark12A: It really mystifies me why you farkers so energetically defend muslims (they're NOT all bad!!!!1111ONE!!), yet these same muzzies (ALL OF THEM) would butcher your other favorite cause, gay rights, by actually killing all the gays they could if they ever got into power. Don't agree? Please name an Islamic controlled country where gays do have rights. Just one. I'll wait.

They're barbarians. They need to be treated as such until they behave in a civilized manner. "ONLY 25% of them supporting suicide bombing" does not constitute civilized behaviour. Looking the other way while Islamic Rage Boys patrols the streets IS NOT civilized behaviour.

6/10. You almost got me to bite on that one



Looks like you bit to me, tiny one but still a bite.

/I loled at the "!!!!1111ONE!!"
 
2009-12-26 09:46:10 PM
RevMercutio: I've flown all over the world. I've not been annoyed by a screaming baby anywhere near as much as you've whined about it.

You can close your browser if you get annoyed with me. You cannot turn off a screaming crotchdropping.
 
2009-12-26 09:48:04 PM
Just how pathetically stupid are those in charge of "security"?

Airline security continues to be securing barn doors after a horse escapes.

If the horse drinks two different liquids before leaving, then no liquid over 3.4 oz allowed in the barn.

He tries to use his shoes to help escape, now all horses must have their shoes checked out first.

If the horse gets out 45 minutes before sunrise, then all doors must be closed one hour before sunrise. This of course does nothing to stop the horse from leaving at the 90 minute mark.

Has there been any analysis as to whether or not this guys device could ever have been a threat? It's important, because it means we're losing real freedom because some halfwit brought a smoke bomb on board that the government is calling an explosive.

I should probably just cash my airline miles in and get myself something nice. By the time I get to take my trip, It'll be 10+ hours of sitting there with nothing to look at or read.

In how many months will the airlines plead for a bailout because they're "too big to fail"?

I'm guessing we'll get the run up in summer 2010, with possible bailout around election time. It'll definitely be in full swing before spring 2011.
 
2009-12-26 09:48:05 PM
torquestripe
Third_Uncle_Eno 2009-12-26 08:35:44 PM

from the article
The government was vague about the steps it was taking, saying it wanted the security experience to be "unpredictable" and that passengers would not find the same measures at every airport
These are the people you trust with the lives of you and those you care about!)
[link]


right. i know.
i was being sarcastic, regarding the "great success" pic.
I interpreted it that the "unpredictable"ness of it and diff. measures at every airport would inconvenience the public even more, and be a general pain in the ass. [getting used to new rules at each airport you go to, etc.]

but then i realized that yeah it is a good idea, that it was trying to switch things up to hopefully bungle up the evildoers and prevent terrorism, so that's good and nice.

AND THEN I clicked your link, and realized you were being sarcastic too lol

/but then again, I don't fly [I've only flown once, and that was 17 years ago], I really don't travel, so I guess it doesn't really matter to me.
but dammit it sure does inconvenience the rest of you travellers, i bet it would be a real pain, so i feel for ya :-(
 
2009-12-26 09:48:12 PM
The cowardice in the US is amazing. I guess if people want to live in fear, this is the country to live in. Me, I grew up with the IRA, the Red Brigade, Bader-Meinhoff, ETA and other assorted terrorist groups, so I'm not paralyzed in fear with the thought that someone somewhere might be trying to plant a bomb/hijack an aircraft/commit some criminal act.

Then again, it's not in my political interest to turn the US into Israel writ large, with institutional paranoia and a strong sense that the world would be better with a little ethnic cleansing. So I'd rather not suffer through the El Al school of airport safety. I guess I'm not scared enough.

But if it helps you maintain an erection thinking that "da eveel mooslems" spend every minute of every day plotting how to kill pure, brave, courageous Americans (currently cowering in fear and willing to put up with any indignity for "national security"), well you have to live with yourself. I'm not at all surprised that the US has adopted the yellow ribbon (long associated with cowardice) as a leif-motif.
 
2009-12-26 09:49:05 PM
moothemagiccow:
Do you not understand what terrorism is? At all?


I'm pretty sure "disrupting the enemy with fear and causing over-regulation that doesn't make the lawful citizens any safer" is the definition of terrorism. Or is that the definition of government? I never can tell these days.
 
2009-12-26 09:50:14 PM
mark12A: Japanese Red Army: Hijacked planes. Were not Muslim. (1970's)
Cuban dissidents: Hijacked planes. Were not Muslim. (1960's-70's_)
Sikh secessionists: Hijacked planes. Were not Muslim. (1970's-80's)
Anti-Marcos revolutionaries: Hijacked a plane in the Philippines. Were not Muslim.

ARE THEY CURRENTLY DOING THIS?? HAVE THEY IN THE PAST 20 FARKIN' YEARS?

They are not, hence there is no need to care about those groups.
The problem is MUSLIMS. Now. At the moment. If Mormons were running around blowing themselves up on airplanes, you're damm straight I'd be calling for invading Salt Lake City.


Tell me, if a dog runs up and starts chewing on your leg, do you start screaming for a lampshade? Do you always disassociate cause and effect?


You said: you wanted non-muslims who were attacking planes. I cannot respond accurately if you keep moving the goal posts. The only dangerous person I'm seeing around here is YOU, oberkommando, and with that, I leave you.
 
2009-12-26 09:53:06 PM
DFWPhotoGuy: Doc Daneeka: I'm getting sick of this.

It's getting to the point where I'm about ready to swear off commercial airlines for everything but inter-continental travel.

The more of an invasive hassle flying becomes, the more attractive Amtrak becomes as an alternative. No matter how much longer it takes.

You hear that, terrorists? You've won. You've made flying absolutely suck for millions of Americans, and you've made our own government do it to us. Congratulations.

Say the titty-baby who flys once a year from bum-frak to cliche family destination.

Kindly STFU & DIAF.


I'm not sure what a "titty-baby" is supposed to be, but I presume it's intended as an insult.

But actually I fly several times per year. Both for personal reasons, and to go to scientific meetings and conferences. And I hate it every time. Flying sucks. In the best-case scenario, it's tolerable.
 
2009-12-26 09:58:39 PM
You said: you wanted non-muslims who were attacking planes. I cannot respond accurately if you keep moving the goal posts. The only dangerous person I'm seeing around here is YOU, oberkommando, and with that, I leave you.

Don't forget to rock yourself to sleep, chanting "McVeigh and TimmyK" over and over. It gives you comfort...makes your little world all alright.
 
2009-12-26 09:59:03 PM
nmemkha: SapperInTexas: DamnYankees: This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic.

THIS.

Start strip-searching the brown-skin guys with beards. They're the ones responsible. That's not racism, that's simple statistics. (Muslim male, 17-40 years old, we've all seen that e-mail by now) But our leaders won't come out and say it. Cowards.


Yes this two guys fit your terrorist profile to a tee.

That's some fine profiling there, Sherlock.


McVeigh and the Unabomber blew up airplanes?

That's some fine way of keeping up with the thread topic, Sherlock.
 
2009-12-26 10:00:05 PM
This would be the perfect time to switch to trains, were it not for the fact that the US gummint farked up the entire railway industry about 100 years ago.
 
2009-12-26 10:00:22 PM
FTFA: during the final hour of flight customers must remain seated, will not be allowed to access carry-on baggage, or have personal belongings or other items on their laps."


Either there is a reading comprehension failure or a problem with the reporting. It just says that customers need to remain seated.

1. Not all the passengers are customers. Are they going to check payment records to see who did the purchasing of tickets?

2. Even if it was decided with a convention that all the passengers ARE customers then if one wanted to visit the crapper all he would have to do is remain seated in doing so. Slide the fark out of his seat to the floor and slide his ass down the isle to the crapper. Problem solved. If people want to be dicks about following rules then they better make sure the rules are what they want. Just about any ruleset can be followed to the letter and the intended result circumvented.
 
2009-12-26 10:00:23 PM
Kirby Muxloe: The cowardice in the US is amazing. I guess if people want to live in fear, this is the country to live in. Me, I grew up with the IRA, the Red Brigade, Bader-Meinhoff, ETA and other assorted terrorist groups, so I'm not paralyzed in fear with the thought that someone somewhere might be trying to plant a bomb/hijack an aircraft/commit some criminal act.

Then again, it's not in my political interest to turn the US into Israel writ large, with institutional paranoia and a strong sense that the world would be better with a little ethnic cleansing. So I'd rather not suffer through the El Al school of airport safety. I guess I'm not scared enough.

But if it helps you maintain an erection thinking that "da eveel mooslems" spend every minute of every day plotting how to kill pure, brave, courageous Americans (currently cowering in fear and willing to put up with any indignity for "national security"), well you have to live with yourself. I'm not at all surprised that the US has adopted the yellow ribbon (long associated with cowardice) as a leif-motif.


When I was a wee lass, you could still get on a plane without having your bag checked at all. The first news report I remember was hearing of an airplane hijacking; I recall my mother turning off the coverage of the Munich Olympics when the Israeli athletes were murdered and telling us only that "something bad" had happened.

Perhaps my attitude towards the prevailing views on terrorism today is somewhat lackadaisical, but terrorism was easy back then. There were no safeguards in place. People seem to believe terrorists are some kind of supervillain out of a Marvel comic today. They're not. They're just criminals who get lucky; and criminals are stupid. People seem to like to be scared, and that's certainly their privilege, but I'd prefer to take my chances and keep my Constitutional rights firmly in place.
 
2009-12-26 10:00:30 PM
mark12A: Don't forget to rock yourself to sleep, chanting "McVeigh and TimmyK" over and over. It gives you comfort...makes your little world all alright.

cdn0.knowyourmeme.com
 
2009-12-26 10:01:54 PM
nmemkha: Yes this two guys fit your terrorist profile to a tee.

That's some fine profiling there, Sherlock.


How many planes did they target? Now STFU and go play Xbox.
 
2009-12-26 10:02:09 PM
mark12A: And still everybody dances around the actual problem:

MUSLIMS ON AIRPLANES!


come on, obvious troll, at least make up some obama is a muslim/socialist/rapist bullshiat

/boring
 
2009-12-26 10:02:41 PM
blacksho89: A young Muslim male attempted to set off an incendiary device. Obviously, then, we must tell your white grandmother to stay in her frakking seat and pee her pants if she can't hold it.
Cause, you know, profiling is, like, wrong.
Frak you, Janet Napolitano, and the inbred, leprous horse you rode in on. It's your job to keep the motherfrakking terrorists OFF the motherfrakking plane, and you failed. The passengers saved their own arses, and you respond by PENALIZING THE PASSENGERS! You are a frakking idiot, and your president has failed to change ANYTHING.

Why don't you take a lesson from El Al, who have not experienced a hijacking since 23 July 1968.

Oh, that's right. They aren't politically correct. You frakking moron.


You are almost as big an idiot as the farkups running the TSA.
 
2009-12-26 10:03:10 PM
Kirby Muxloe: The cowardice in the US is amazing. I guess if people want to live in fear, this is the country to live in. Me, I grew up with the IRA, the Red Brigade, Bader-Meinhoff, ETA and other assorted terrorist groups, so I'm not paralyzed in fear with the thought that someone somewhere might be trying to plant a bomb/hijack an aircraft/commit some criminal act.

Then again, it's not in my political interest to turn the US into Israel writ large, with institutional paranoia and a strong sense that the world would be better with a little ethnic cleansing. So I'd rather not suffer through the El Al school of airport safety. I guess I'm not scared enough.

But if it helps you maintain an erection thinking that "da eveel mooslems" spend every minute of every day plotting how to kill pure, brave, courageous Americans (currently cowering in fear and willing to put up with any indignity for "national security"), well you have to live with yourself. I'm not at all surprised that the US has adopted the yellow ribbon (long associated with cowardice) as a leif-motif.


Let's see: Anti-Israel, U.S. are cowards, Europe is tougher, etc. etc. Nice troll. I'd give it a 7/10.
 
2009-12-26 10:05:46 PM
AntiNorm: RevMercutio: I've flown all over the world. I've not been annoyed by a screaming baby anywhere near as much as you've whined about it.

You can close your browser if you get annoyed with me. You cannot turn off a screaming crotchdropping.



You can turn them off but I can't think of a legal way to do it.
 
2009-12-26 10:06:38 PM
Phinn: This would be the perfect time to switch to trains, were it not for the fact that the US gummint farked up the entire railway industry about 100 years ago.

They were in fact one step ahead of the terrorists!
The US government will do the same to the airline industry and solve this terrorist problem also.
 
2009-12-26 10:06:39 PM
Thread is tl;dr,


I don't care about the restrictions imposed on people who fly.
 
2009-12-26 10:08:46 PM
Ah yes, the last refuge of the Farker. Can't counter the point, just call'em a troll.

Unfortunately, the problem will not go away. It will get worse until we either slap them down, or the civil war starts. Curling up in a fetal position in the corner and chanting "Timmy Mcveigh and TeddyK" over and over doesn't change the fact the muzzies are becoming more numerous, and more insistant, and they will not moderate. They have a bit of history about that.
 
2009-12-26 10:08:54 PM
BTW - terrorism is has little to do with Islam and a lot to do with the west (esp. the U.S.) inflicting unimaginable violence upon the Middle East (and much of the rest of the world) for the last 3 or 4 decades. The details are well-known and well-documented: we (westerners) all know why they hate us. If we say anything else, we are full of shiat.
 
2009-12-26 10:11:42 PM
Instead of forcing passengers to stay in their seats for the final hour of flight, wouldn't it be easier for the TSA to do their job and not allow incendiary devices on planes?
 
2009-12-26 10:12:32 PM
mark12A:

Unfortunately, the problem will not go away. It will get worse until we either slap them down, or the civil war starts. Curling up in a fetal position in the corner and chanting "Timmy Mcveigh and TeddyK" over and over doesn't change the fact the muzzies are becoming more numerous, and more insistant, and they will not moderate. They have a bit of history about that.


Translation:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2009-12-26 10:12:37 PM
MiamiBlues: BTW - terrorism is has little to do with Islam and a lot to do with the west (esp. the U.S.) inflicting unimaginable violence upon the Middle East (and much of the rest of the world) for the last 3 or 4 decades. The details are well-known and well-documented: we (westerners) all know why they hate us. If we say anything else, we are full of shiat.

Uhm, no. Most terrorism attacks have occurred on non western soil.

So you, sir, are full of shiat.
 
2009-12-26 10:13:42 PM
trouzourt: -this is just the beginning. Obamacare will use these rules are a prelude to destroy any chance you might have for life saving surgery

-at least during Mr. Bush's years we were FREE to walk around or go to the washroom in the last hour of the flight.

-the bobmer is really a close relative of Obama and was paid by him to attack America.

-its because Obama is a secret muslin and wants to destroy america that the calls from this bomber-wannabe were ignored...


//does that cover all angles? or i missed something


This
 
2009-12-26 10:17:29 PM
I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: Uhm, no. Most terrorism attacks have occurred on non western soil.

Who are the targets?
 
2009-12-26 10:19:07 PM
Well, El_Swino, you must do what you feel is right....

I'd prefer to kick their asses out of western civilization...
 
2009-12-26 10:21:00 PM
Oops, Yes, Prime Minster is on PBS. Gotta go. Nighty night.
 
2009-12-26 10:22:52 PM
I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: MiamiBlues: BTW - terrorism is has little to do with Islam and a lot to do with the west (esp. the U.S.) inflicting unimaginable violence upon the Middle East (and much of the rest of the world) for the last 3 or 4 decades. The details are well-known and well-documented: we (westerners) all know why they hate us. If we say anything else, we are full of shiat.

Uhm, no. Most terrorism attacks have occurred on non western soil.

So you, sir, are full of shiat.


Reading Comprehension is not your strong suit I see.
 
2009-12-26 10:23:06 PM
MiamiBlues: BTW - terrorism is has little to do with Islam and a lot to do with the west (esp. the U.S.) inflicting unimaginable violence upon the Middle East (and much of the rest of the world) for the last 3 or 4 decades. The details are well-known and well-documented: we (westerners) all know why they hate us. If we say anything else, we are full of shiat.

Yes, the Germanic/Gaulic barbarians hated the Roman Empire, the Assyrian barbarians hated the Hittite and Egyptian empires, and middle-eastern barbarians hate the supposed American Empire.

Jealously of wealth and civilization is a long-standing activity of humans. Though maybe we should pay attention; all my examples ended with the destruction of the empires followed by hundreds of years of barbarity and recession of civilization.
 
2009-12-26 10:23:29 PM
Funny how people used to blame Bush for shiat like this all the time but you never hear anybody blaming Obama.

Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
 
2009-12-26 10:24:56 PM
Forcing passengers to remain seated during the last hour of flight will only make terrorists carry out their destruction beforehand. Duh!

Anyone hellbent on causing trouble will find a way, regardless of how many stupid restrictions the TSA imposes upon the flying public.
 
2009-12-26 10:27:27 PM
I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: MiamiBlues: BTW - terrorism is has little to do with Islam and a lot to do with the west (esp. the U.S.) inflicting unimaginable violence upon the Middle East (and much of the rest of the world) for the last 3 or 4 decades. The details are well-known and well-documented: we (westerners) all know why they hate us. If we say anything else, we are full of shiat.

Uhm, no. Most terrorism attacks have occurred on non western soil.

So you, sir, are full of shiat.


My bad; I misread where you said the violence has been taking place. And yes, GWB's farked up invasion of Iraq has caused attacks there; however, overall attacks have been spread out over the world and have no connection with the U.S. For example, here are terrorist attacks with a death toll of 100+ people prior to 911:

18 May 1973: mid-air bombing of Aeroflot airliner, Siberia (100)
4 Dec 1977: crash of hijacked Malaysian airliner near Malaysia (100)
20 Aug 1978: arson of theater in Abadan, Iran (477)
20 Nov-5 Dec 1979: hostage taking at Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia (includes 87 terrorists killed) (240)
23 Sep 1983: crash of Gulf Air flight following mid-air bombing over the UAE (112)
23 Oct 1983: truck bombings of U.S. Marine and French barracks, Beirut, Lebanon (301)
14 May 1985: armed attack on crowds in Anuradhapura, Sri Lanka (150)
23 Jun 1985: mid-air bombing of Air India flight off Ireland, and attempted bombing of second flight in Canada (331)
18 Apr 1987: roadway ambush near Alut Oya, Sri Lanka (127)
21 Apr 1987: bombing of bus depot in Columbo, Sri Lanka (106)
29 Nov 1987: mid-air bombing of Korean Air flight near Burma (115)
21 Dec 1988: mid-air bombing of Pan Am flight over Lockerbie, Scotland (270)
19 Sep 1989: mid-air bombing of French UTA flight near Bilma, Niger (171)
27 Nov 1989: mid-air bombing of Avianca flight in Bogota, Columbia (110)
3 Aug 1990: armed attack at two mosques in Kathankudy, Sri Lanka (140)
13 Aug 1990: armed attack at mosque in Eravur, Sri Lanka (122)
2 Oct 1990: crash of hijacked PRC airliner in Guangzhou, PRC (132)
12 Mar 1993: 15 bombings in Bombay, India (317)
22 Sep 1993: crash of airliner struck by missile in Sukhumi, Georgia (106)
19 Apr 1995: truck bombing of federal building, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA (169)
14-19 June 1996: hostage taking in Budennovsk, Russia, and two failed rescue attempts (143)
23 Nov 1996: crash of hijacked Ethiopian Air flight off Comoros (127)
29 Aug 1997: attacks at Sidi Moussa and Hais Rais, Algeria (238)
22 Sep 1997: attack at Ben Talha, Algeria (277)
30 Dec 1997: attack at Ami Moussa, Algeria (272)
4 Jan 1998: attacks at Had Chekala, Remka, and Ain Tarik, Algeria (172)
11 Jan 1998: attack on movie theater and mosque at Sidi Hamed, Algeria (103)
8 Aug 1998: truck bombings of U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Saalam, Tanzania (303)
13 Sep 1999: bombing of apartment building in Moscow, Russia (130)


/not sure where i'm even going with that
//too many jim beam and cokes
 
2009-12-26 10:28:17 PM
mark12A: Well, El_Swino, you must do what you feel is right....

I'd prefer to kick their asses out of western civilization...


Fortunately for western civilization, and us folks who actually treasure and respect its ideals, you don't get that option. But feel free to carry on broadcasting your panic, if it makes you feel better. Sometimes a good cry helps, too.
 
2009-12-26 10:30:14 PM
MIguy: Funny how people used to blame Bush for shiat like this all the time but you never hear anybody blaming Obama.

Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings


Maybe because the institutions which are being shown to be incompetent were/are.. y'know.. created, staffed, and largely still run by Bush-era people?
 
2009-12-26 10:34:45 PM
006andahalf: Maybe because the institutions which are being shown to be incompetent were/are.. y'know.. created, staffed, and largely still run by Bush-era people?

The TSA falls under the Department of Homeland Security. You know who runs the Department of Homeland Security? Janet Napolitano. Want to take a guess who appointed her?
 
2009-12-26 10:34:53 PM
whatshisname: Who are the targets?

Most terror attacks have targeted non-westerners. And of the terror attacks on western soil the vast majority is by Westerners, eg IRA, ETA and Shining Path.
 
2009-12-26 10:35:03 PM
I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: MiamiBlues: BTW - terrorism is has little to do with Islam and a lot to do with the west (esp. the U.S.) inflicting unimaginable violence upon the Middle East (and much of the rest of the world) for the last 3 or 4 decades. The details are well-known and well-documented: we (westerners) all know why they hate us. If we say anything else, we are full of shiat.

Uhm, no. Most terrorism attacks have occurred on non western soil.

So you, sir, are full of shiat.

My bad; I misread where you said the violence has been taking place. And yes, GWB's farked up invasion of Iraq has caused attacks there; however, overall attacks have been spread out over the world and have no connection with the U.S. For example, here are terrorist attacks with a death toll of 100+ people prior to 911:

18 May 1973: mid-air bombing of Aeroflot airliner, Siberia (100)
4 Dec 1977: crash of hijacked Malaysian airliner near Malaysia (100)
20 Aug 1978: arson of theater in Abadan, Iran (477)
20 Nov-5 Dec 1979: hostage taking at Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia (includes 87 terrorists killed) (240)
23 Sep 1983: crash of Gulf Air flight following mid-air bombing over the UAE (112)
23 Oct 1983: truck bombings of U.S. Marine and French barracks, Beirut, Lebanon (301)
14 May 1985: armed attack on crowds in Anuradhapura, Sri Lanka (150)
23 Jun 1985: mid-air bombing of Air India flight off Ireland, and attempted bombing of second flight in Canada (331)
18 Apr 1987: roadway ambush near Alut Oya, Sri Lanka (127)
21 Apr 1987: bombing of bus depot in Columbo, Sri Lanka (106)
29 Nov 1987: mid-air bombing of Korean Air flight near Burma (115)
21 Dec 1988: mid-air bombing of Pan Am flight over Lockerbie, Scotland (270)
19 Sep 1989: mid-air bombing of French UTA flight near Bilma, Niger (171)
27 Nov 1989: mid-air bombing of Avianca flight in Bogota, Columbia (110)
3 Aug 1990: armed attack at two mosques in Kathankudy, Sri Lanka (140)
13 Aug 1990: armed attack at mosque in Eravur, Sri Lanka (122)
2 Oct 1990: crash of hijacked PRC airliner in Guangzhou, PRC (132)
12 Mar 1993: 15 bombings in Bombay, India (317)
22 Sep 1993: crash of airliner struck by missile in Sukhumi, Georgia (106)
19 Apr 1995: truck bombing of federal building, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA (169)
14-19 June 1996: hostage taking in Budennovsk, Russia, and two failed rescue attempts (143)
23 Nov 1996: crash of hijacked Ethiopian Air flight off Comoros (127)
29 Aug 1997: attacks at Sidi Moussa and Hais Rais, Algeria (238)
22 Sep 1997: attack at Ben Talha, Algeria (277)
30 Dec 1997: attack at Ami Moussa, Algeria (272)
4 Jan 1998: attacks at Had Chekala, Remka, and Ain Tarik, Algeria (172)
11 Jan 1998: attack on movie theater and mosque at Sidi Hamed, Algeria (103)
8 Aug 1998: truck bombings of U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Saalam, Tanzania (303)
13 Sep 1999: bombing of apartment building in Moscow, Russia (130)

/not sure where i'm even going with that
//too many jim beam and cokes


Ah...you might want to cheek your own list
 
2009-12-26 10:38:48 PM
Propain_az: Two words: Anal Bomber.


\The horror of security would be horrific!


Wikipedia can tell me that the human rectum is about 12 centimeter deep. And a guesstimate based on turds coming out of the human rectum would have me believe that we are speaking about 2,5 - 3 cm radius. So 340 cubic centimeters at best.
This is about 66% of the size of a M112 demolition charge, or 375 grams.

It would definitely not be enough to blow up a plane. But it could quite possibly punch a hole in the cabin of an aircraft, causing decompression, hysteria and the need for clean underwear among fellow passengers.

If somebody one day decides to cram three quarters of a pound of explosives up their ass before boarding a plane, I would like to remind you CIA people that I will come quietly if you just ask nicely. No need for unmarked helicopters in the night again.
 
2009-12-26 10:40:36 PM
I am hoping for some asshole to use a bra bomb, so that all women will not be allow to wear bras while flying.

I will gladly sit and watch them run for their late connecting flight.
 
2009-12-26 10:41:05 PM
i47.tinypic.com
 
2009-12-26 10:41:06 PM
MIguy: 006andahalf: Maybe because the institutions which are being shown to be incompetent were/are.. y'know.. created, staffed, and largely still run by Bush-era people?

The TSA falls under the Department of Homeland Security. You know who runs the Department of Homeland Security? Janet Napolitano. Want to take a guess who appointed her?


And guess real hard who created the stupid department and wrote the rules and created the institutional structure, let alone employed the staffers, the majority of which remain. That whole Orwellian monstrosity needs to be completely dismantled, as it is doomed to its streak of incompetence no matter who runs it, but any fairly astute observer would quickly realize that the political capital is simply not there to make such a move.

/you hooked me, oh well
//had to post something here and this was more interesting than speculating about Chechens.
///"Brownie" was the fall guy for others' incompetence.
 
2009-12-26 10:42:04 PM
trouzourt: -this is just the beginning. Obamacare will use these rules are a prelude to destroy any chance you might have for life saving surgery

-at least during Mr. Bush's years we were FREE to walk around or go to the washroom in the last hour of the flight.

-the bobmer is really a close relative of Obama and was paid by him to attack America.

-its because Obama is a secret muslin and wants to destroy america that the calls from this bomber-wannabe were ignored...


//does that cover all angles? or i missed something


Now I don't have to listen to Limbaugh/Hannity/Medved Monday!

Thanx!
 
2009-12-26 10:42:09 PM
eire_irie: LesserEvil:

Dunno about that... several 'mericun passengers opened a can of whoopass on this asshat, and in the other thread, somebody detailed all of the hijackings since 9/11, all of them filled with foreigners - and none of them did anything (well, except for the ones that paid the hijacker money).

Same went for the shoe bomber and many troublemakers on American domestic flights. American passengers took action, their counterparts elsewhere stood by shaking in their seats.

Seems like America might be the last bastion of "actual bravery".

Uhh yeah, Jasper Schuringa (new window)is all Amerikun.
Have you ever been outside the Americas?

/this is why Europeans dislike americans


europeans dislike americans because everytime they get thier tit in a wringer,the only ones who have the cajones to come to thier aid are ussually americans,they are embarrassed that none of thier own actually come to thier aid,except for the british,but they have been sucked into the void as well nowadays. oh dear ,do what you must but please dont OFFEND anyone!
 
2009-12-26 10:42:16 PM
MIguy: 006andahalf: Maybe because the institutions which are being shown to be incompetent were/are.. y'know.. created, staffed, and largely still run by Bush-era people?

The TSA falls under the Department of Homeland Security. You know who runs the Department of Homeland Security? Janet Napolitano. Want to take a guess who appointed her?


HERETIC!
 
2009-12-26 10:43:56 PM
what if someone weaves plastic explosives to make clothing and the buttons are the detonator?

Will the TSA shiatheads ban clothes?

What if someone stuffs a bomb in a babies ass?

Will those mall rat cops ban babies?

\I am all for both BTW.
 
2009-12-26 10:44:56 PM
Hau Ruck: It's one thing to start charging checked bag fees, it's quite another to tell passengers that you get to piss into one of the beverage cups provided 2 hours prior and that you aren't allowed to read anything not in paper form.

I'm plenty happy reading stuff in paper form, I never bother with a laptop on those tiny tables anyway.

HOWEVER, this reads to me like they're not gonna let you have your books or magazines in your lap EITHER.

Complete craziness. I'm glad I'm driving on my current vacation.
 
2009-12-26 10:45:04 PM
Airfoilsguy: I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: MiamiBlues: BTW - terrorism is has little to do with Islam and a lot to do with the west (esp. the U.S.) inflicting unimaginable violence upon the Middle East (and much of the rest of the world) for the last 3 or 4 decades. The details are well-known and well-documented: we (westerners) all know why they hate us. If we say anything else, we are full of shiat.

Uhm, no. Most terrorism attacks have occurred on non western soil.

So you, sir, are full of shiat.

My bad; I misread where you said the violence has been taking place. And yes, GWB's farked up invasion of Iraq has caused attacks there; however, overall attacks have been spread out over the world and have no connection with the U.S. For example, here are terrorist attacks with a death toll of 100+ people prior to 911:

18 May 1973: mid-air bombing of Aeroflot airliner, Siberia (100)
4 Dec 1977: crash of hijacked Malaysian airliner near Malaysia (100)
20 Aug 1978: arson of theater in Abadan, Iran (477)
20 Nov-5 Dec 1979: hostage taking at Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia (includes 87 terrorists killed) (240)
23 Sep 1983: crash of Gulf Air flight following mid-air bombing over the UAE (112)
23 Oct 1983: truck bombings of U.S. Marine and French barracks, Beirut, Lebanon (301)
14 May 1985: armed attack on crowds in Anuradhapura, Sri Lanka (150)
23 Jun 1985: mid-air bombing of Air India flight off Ireland, and attempted bombing of second flight in Canada (331)
18 Apr 1987: roadway ambush near Alut Oya, Sri Lanka (127)
21 Apr 1987: bombing of bus depot in Columbo, Sri Lanka (106)
29 Nov 1987: mid-air bombing of Korean Air flight near Burma (115)
21 Dec 1988: mid-air bombing of Pan Am flight over Lockerbie, Scotland (270)
19 Sep 1989: mid-air bombing of French UTA flight near Bilma, Niger (171)
27 Nov 1989: mid-air bombing of Avianca flight in Bogota, Columbia (110)
3 Aug 1990: armed attack at two mosques in Kathankudy, Sri Lanka (140)
13 Aug 1990: armed attack at mosque in Eravur, Sri Lanka (122)
2 Oct 1990: crash of hijacked PRC airliner in Guangzhou, PRC (132)
12 Mar 1993: 15 bombings in Bombay, India (317)
22 Sep 1993: crash of airliner struck by missile in Sukhumi, Georgia (106)
19 Apr 1995: truck bombing of federal building, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA (169)
14-19 June 1996: hostage taking in Budennovsk, Russia, and two failed rescue attempts (143)
23 Nov 1996: crash of hijacked Ethiopian Air flight off Comoros (127)
29 Aug 1997: attacks at Sidi Moussa and Hais Rais, Algeria (238)
22 Sep 1997: attack at Ben Talha, Algeria (277)
30 Dec 1997: attack at Ami Moussa, Algeria (272)
4 Jan 1998: attacks at Had Chekala, Remka, and Ain Tarik, Algeria (172)
11 Jan 1998: attack on movie theater and mosque at Sidi Hamed, Algeria (103)
8 Aug 1998: truck bombings of U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Saalam, Tanzania (303)
13 Sep 1999: bombing of apartment building in Moscow, Russia (130)

/not sure where i'm even going with that
//too many jim beam and cokes

Ah...you might want to cheek your own list


Lol... more like I need to check what I'm typing.... "the vast majority" should have been in there...

www.bongonews.com

mea culpa

/i suck
 
2009-12-26 10:45:30 PM
Gyrfalcon: Japanese Red Army: Hijacked planes. Were not Muslim. (1970's)
Cuban dissidents: Hijacked planes. Were not Muslim. (1960's-70's_)
Sikh secessionists: Hijacked planes. Were not Muslim. (1970's-80's)
Anti-Marcos revolutionaries: Hijacked a plane in the Philippines. Were not Muslim.

God, you're stupid.


People who let political correctness trump logic are the stupid ones. In the last 20 years thousands of people have been killed in airline attacks by Muslims, and none by any other groups. This is the reality TODAY.

The attackers had a few things in common that might make them stand out as Muslims to the half-awake farktards who stand at various airline counters. They had passports issued from countries like Egypt, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen - or stamps denoting visits to those or other middle eastern countries. Any one of those things would indicate a high probability that you are dealing with a Muslim and a possible terrorist. If you then tied that to a general profile (young males), you'd have narrowed the field down to less than 1% of the flying public, but still encompass 100% of the terrorists who have attacked airliners in the last twenty or twenty five years.

Take that tiny percentage aside for additional security checks and searches and you've got the problem covered.

I'm so tired of liberal farktards who think it makes perfect sense to anally probe little old white ladies from Omaha because it's not PC to "profile" the group (young male Muslims) who are responsible for 100% of the airline attacks in the last generation.

And for the majority of Muslims who are innocent and inconvenienced - sorry 'bout that!
 
2009-12-26 10:45:38 PM
From TFA: passengers on international flights coming to the United States will apparently have to remain in their seats for the last hour of a flight without any personal items on their laps.

Strange...We're quite a long way from April Fools' jokes yet, aren't we?
 
2009-12-26 10:46:25 PM
006andahalf: And guess real hard who created the stupid department and wrote the rules and created the institutional structure, let alone employed the staffers, the majority of which remain. That whole Orwellian monstrosity needs to be completely dismantled, as it is doomed to its streak of incompetence no matter who runs it, but any fairly astute observer would quickly realize that the political capital is simply not there to make such a move.

Keep trying and you might even start believing you have a valid argument. Obama appointed the person responsible for implementing this new policy and there's nothing you can say to put the blame anywhere else.
 
2009-12-26 10:48:59 PM
It is a good thing that the taxpayers just purchased a fleet of private jets for congress to fly in. Our elected leaders are too important to have to deal with the same crap that the serfs citizens have to put up with.
 
2009-12-26 10:51:29 PM
Meh. I hate flying as it is. These new rules are foolish, short sighted and just... farking stupid as all get out. I have to think plenty of higher ups in the department know this even as they make up whatever new "safety" procedure that will do nothing to make us any .

Just absolute BS.

Someone said it up the thread and I agree- when we start this rule making kind of knee jerk up, the terrorists have actually won.
 
2009-12-26 10:54:09 PM
MIguy: 006andahalf: And guess real hard who created the stupid department and wrote the rules and created the institutional structure, let alone employed the staffers, the majority of which remain. That whole Orwellian monstrosity needs to be completely dismantled, as it is doomed to its streak of incompetence no matter who runs it, but any fairly astute observer would quickly realize that the political capital is simply not there to make such a move.

Keep trying and you might even start believing you have a valid argument. Obama appointed the person responsible for implementing this new policy and there's nothing you can say to put the blame anywhere else.


Ok. Of course that means that you can't put a speck of blame onto Clinton for 9/11 and the consequences thereof. Or anything onto Carter for the stunts pulled during the Ray-guns admin.
 
2009-12-26 10:55:35 PM
WhyteRaven74: whatshisname: Who are the targets?

Most terror attacks have targeted non-westerners. And of the terror attacks on western soil the vast majority is by Westerners, eg IRA, ETA and Shining Path.


Yeah, I was surprised by the list that was posted above. I hadn't considered Russia and Sri Lanka.
 
2009-12-26 10:55:35 PM
Why not simply apply anesthetics to all passengers flying, case solved. I believe that this was how Howard Hughes preferred to travel after the crazies kicked in?

I could have hit upon something there.
 
2009-12-26 10:56:33 PM
Retarded Rabid Elk: It is a good thing that the taxpayers just purchased a fleet of private jets for congress to fly in. Our elected leaders are too important to have to deal with the same crap that the serfs citizens have to put up with.

Yep. Just as they are too important to have the same health insurance that they want the rest of us to have.

Or have to do their own taxes, buy their own groceries, cook their own food, drive themselves to get a $14 haircut, etc.
 
2009-12-26 10:57:30 PM
screechingbitermonkey: Someone said it up the thread and I agree- when we start this rule making kind of knee jerk up, the terrorists have actually won.

I don't know if these rules are intended to actually make things safer. They're just the various agencies covering their asses and trying to make people feel safer.
 
2009-12-26 10:58:40 PM
MIguy: Funny how people used to blame Bush for shiat like this all the time but you never hear anybody blaming Obama.

Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings


Oh Gods if you want to see people blaming Obama for just about anything that goes wrong go here: ar15.com general discussion

Those guys get frothing at the mouth retarded about blaming Obama.
 
2009-12-26 10:59:55 PM
The first time I ever flew was a month after 9/11. Every other time after was near a heightened state of security. I never had an issue with anything. Just pay attention and follow the rules. Very simple. Stop complaining about rights and whatnot and do as you are told and get on the plane. I wish people took as much care in other aspects of life as the TSA does for air travel. We would have a better ordered society.
 
2009-12-26 11:02:33 PM
whatshisname: I don't know if these rules are intended to actually make things safer. They're just the various agencies covering their asses and trying to make people feel safer.

I believe the term is "security theatre". You know - to make people feel better because they are doing something. Like having kids go under their desks in case of a nuclear bomb attack, or duct-taping your house against a chemical attack - not particularly useful things.
 
2009-12-26 11:02:46 PM
wait till somebody pisses in the aisle. Instant sex offender.

/first rule of totalitarianism is make everybody a criminal
 
2009-12-26 11:04:04 PM
DamnYankees: Kyosuke: Score another victory for the terrorists.

What's pathetic is that some people think you're being sarcastic. You're really, really not. That's exactly what this is.


Yep. Terrorists win.
 
2009-12-26 11:08:07 PM
006andahalf: Ok. Of course that means that you can't put a speck of blame onto Clinton for 9/11 and the consequences thereof. Or anything onto Carter for the stunts pulled during the Ray-guns admin.

We could sit here and blame a lot of people for a lot of different things. It's best that we stick to the topic though.
 
2009-12-26 11:09:45 PM
MIguy: 006andahalf: Ok. Of course that means that you can't put a speck of blame onto Clinton for 9/11 and the consequences thereof. Or anything onto Carter for the stunts pulled during the Ray-guns admin.

We could sit here and blame a lot of people for a lot of different things. It's best that we stick to the topic though.


Took you a while to respond -- something funny going on in TFD-land?

/misses TF
//not enough of an A-hole to get it back easily.
 
2009-12-26 11:10:29 PM
MIguy:
We could sit here and blame a lot of people for a lot of different things. It's best that we stick to the topic though.


Blame submitter's mom and get one with your life
 
2009-12-26 11:12:14 PM
Any of those farking coward pieces of shiat terrorists who want to blow up a jet need to come see me first. We can settle it like a couple of men. If they can get past me, let them blow up the god damn plane.

/fark you, terrorist
 
2009-12-26 11:13:31 PM
Snarfangel: The passengers seem to be better at protecting the plane than the TSA. Just have the stewardesses give people permission to beat the hell out of terrorists during their pre-flight "Here's how to use the seat belt" briefing.

There was a comedian with a routine like that. Instead of banning weapons make it a rule if you have an american passport and an above room temperature IQ they issue you a gun when you get on a plane. That way when Abdul hops up with his boxcutter and announces hes taking over the plane you can stand up, point the gun at him and go "I dont think so Sparky. Sit down, shut the hell up and eat your peanuts cause this flight is going to Pittsburgh just like the ticket says"
 
2009-12-26 11:14:05 PM
As a masochist, I can't wait.

"Oh yeah, strap me down"
"Now punish me for getting up"
"Now slap me and call me Mohammed"
"Strip search! All the cavities!"
 
2009-12-26 11:14:22 PM
006andahalf: Took you a while to respond -- something funny going on in TFD-land?

A couple of the biatches are getting it on via webcam.
 
2009-12-26 11:16:53 PM
MIguy: 006andahalf: And guess real hard who created the stupid department and wrote the rules and created the institutional structure, let alone employed the staffers, the majority of which remain. That whole Orwellian monstrosity needs to be completely dismantled, as it is doomed to its streak of incompetence no matter who runs it, but any fairly astute observer would quickly realize that the political capital is simply not there to make such a move.

Keep trying and you might even start believing you have a valid argument. Obama appointed the person responsible for implementing this new policy and there's nothing you can say to put the blame anywhere else.


Exactly. Though I do wonder when people who think like this would allow us to gold Obama responsible for the happenings of his administration.

If you read a bit into that poster's argument, Obama is/will be responsible for little or nothing that the DHS and its child agencies do because Bush pushed for its creation, signed the (at least partially) bipartisan bill that created it, and it was his appointee who implemented many of the regulations derived from the law that the agency operates under, and the saddest part of all is that Obama doesn't have the political capital to do anything about it. I think that's change we can believe in.

It's worth pointing out that Obama would have had tons of political capital to undo or at least reign in many of the Bush era excesses. INSTEAD, he chose to pursue a utopian, grandiose plan in a terribly disorganized, disjointed manner that was obscenely wasteful of all that political capital he had.

In short, the foundation for Obama's legacy needed to be laid now. There was no time for undoing the damage the ush legacy did. I'm sure he'll promise to get to dealing with a few of the excesses of government during his second term though...
 
2009-12-26 11:21:27 PM
Is this the thread where we advocate making life miserable for millions of innocent people on the theory that it will make them side with us rather than extremists with a superficially similar ideology to theirs?

mark12A: WHARRGARBL

Ah, I see it is.
 
2009-12-26 11:22:36 PM
Did Mr. Terrorist Dude even get out of his seat within the last hour of the flight?

I'm trying to figure out how this new restriction would have prevented him from carrying out his actions.
 
2009-12-26 11:22:46 PM
So the chemical the dude had strapped to his leg is the same that Richard Reid had on him. Either that stuff is easy to get or somebody has a stash.
 
2009-12-26 11:24:45 PM
keithrogan: And for the majority of Muslims who are innocent and inconvenienced - sorry 'bout that!

And when those "innocent muslims" realize they're being profiled, and are being treated as terrorists, won't they start being radicalized? Won't they (at least some) figure out, "hey, if I'm being treated as a terrorist, I might as well become one?" I know what you mean, but we don't employ the brightest as TSA agents, so the TSA ethos would evolve to become "interrogate all Muslim males because Muslims are the threat!!!!"

I'm not against your idea, you have some important points, but there has to be some additional work there.
 
2009-12-26 11:24:54 PM
MIguy: 006andahalf: Maybe because the institutions which are being shown to be incompetent were/are.. y'know.. created, staffed, and largely still run by Bush-era people?

The TSA falls under the Department of Homeland Security. You know who runs the Department of Homeland Security? Janet Napolitano. Want to take a guess who appointed her?


So... did we appoint her the Prime Minister of the Netherlands, too?

Just curious. But damn that Obama for this all, anyhow! Surely, it's not the ridiculous security theater foisted onto us by the TSA by a bipartisan group of assholes in the US government. Yet, somehow, this incident is proof positive that Obama's policies have weakened our nation. Let's also ignore that this sort of thing will never be fully avoided unless we're willing to leverage an enormous amount of our personal freedoms- I'm sorry that my pants are not yet wet enough where I feel that's necessary- but perhaps the same is not true with you?

Truly, sir, when you love your family more than you hate Obama, perhaps we can have a meaningful dialogue. Until then...
 
2009-12-26 11:24:59 PM
why do people who froth about kids on flights take flights at all? If you don't like it, here's an idea, farking drive. I hate piss poor parents who do nothing to entertain their kids as well but just because you feel inconvenienced isn't going to keep anyone off a plane. Take farking amtrack if it makes your vagina that sandy.
 
2009-12-26 11:27:58 PM
I blame Obama
 
2009-12-26 11:27:59 PM
ragekage: So... did we appoint her the Prime Minister of the Netherlands, too?

What do the Netherlands have to do with a policy being put in place by the TSA?
 
2009-12-26 11:28:24 PM
hyperflame: keithrogan: And for the majority of Muslims who are innocent and inconvenienced - sorry 'bout that!

And when those "innocent muslims" realize they're being profiled, and are being treated as terrorists, won't they start being radicalized? Won't they (at least some) figure out, "hey, if I'm being treated as a terrorist, I might as well become one?" I know what you mean, but we don't employ the brightest as TSA agents, so the TSA ethos would evolve to become "interrogate all Muslim males because Muslims are the threat!!!!"

I'm not against your idea, you have some important points, but there has to be some additional work there.


Nuke Medina and Mecca and take it from there
 
2009-12-26 11:29:34 PM
MIguy: So the chemical the dude had strapped to his leg is the same that Richard Reid had on him. Either that stuff is easy to get or somebody has a stash.

And you'd figure they'd have done a few practice runs after Richard Reid's attempt didn't work in order to work out the bugs and get the explosion right.

Same bomb making materials, same failed attempt (minus the leg burns).

I'm not sure who is winning in the game of incompetence - the shoe/leg bomber people or the "good" guys (tsa, homeland security)
 
2009-12-26 11:30:50 PM
This looks like a job for Improv Everywhere.
 
2009-12-26 11:32:20 PM
I flew from Canada to the US a month ago. I was nervous about travel to the US owing to all the freaked out "HOMELAND SECURITY" stuff. (Of course, as a white male I don't know why I was so worried.) The CBPSA agent offered to sell me some weed, and the TSA agent and I talked about Russel Crowe movies briefly.

So.....I give it a couple of months before people forget to be afraid again.
 
2009-12-26 11:32:40 PM
Obama is 100% responsible for these asinine restrictions, as he is the President of the United States and the TSA is under the executive branch of government.

You see, I voted for Obama, because I figured it would be easy enough for him to pick of the farking phone, and tell the director of the TSA "what the fark is up with these retarded rules you have?". I disagreed with him about some things, but I figured he wouldn't be George W. Bush level of retarded. I figured that travel restrictions that will kill the U.S. tourist industry and cripple our economy where one of the things that Obama would be sensible about. But obviously, Obama figures that most Democrat voters are too incredibly stupid to understand basic civics, and obviously he is correct... and supporting these rules gets him votes from the union that represents TSA retards.
 
2009-12-26 11:33:16 PM
ragekage: MIguy: 006andahalf: Maybe because the institutions which are being shown to be incompetent were/are.. y'know.. created, staffed, and largely still run by Bush-era people?

The TSA falls under the Department of Homeland Security. You know who runs the Department of Homeland Security? Janet Napolitano. Want to take a guess who appointed her?

So... did we appoint her the Prime Minister of the Netherlands, too?

Just curious. But damn that Obama for this all, anyhow! Surely, it's not the ridiculous security theater foisted onto us by the TSA by a bipartisan group of assholes in the US government. Yet, somehow, this incident is proof positive that Obama's policies have weakened our nation. Let's also ignore that this sort of thing will never be fully avoided unless we're willing to leverage an enormous amount of our personal freedoms- I'm sorry that my pants are not yet wet enough where I feel that's necessary- but perhaps the same is not true with you?

Truly, sir, when you love your family more than you hate Obama, perhaps we can have a meaningful dialogue. Until then...


www.nataliedee.com
 
2009-12-26 11:34:17 PM
MIguy: ragekage: So... did we appoint her the Prime Minister of the Netherlands, too?

What do the Netherlands have to do with a policy being put in place by the TSA?


How's the TSA supposed to enforce that as well as on US-based flights? Or those in Nigeria, even. And now it seems like the dude's dad basically warned the US Embassy in Nigeria his kid might do something like this. Fer Chrissakes, doesn't this show what sort of security theater we have going on at all levels of TSA screening- and have for the last eight years?

Again, tho- love your family more than you hate Obama. It'll be good for you, anyhow.
 
2009-12-26 11:37:34 PM
It's_A_Farking_Secret: ..Take farking amtrack if it makes your vagina that sandy.

Unfortunately, the Transatlantic Tunnel is still a bit behind schedule.
 
2009-12-26 11:37:37 PM
Solty Dog: The first time I ever flew was a month after 9/11. Every other time after was near a heightened state of security. I never had an issue with anything. Just pay attention and follow the rules. Very simple. Stop complaining about rights and whatnot and do as you are told and get on the plane. I wish people took as much care in other aspects of life as the TSA does for air travel. We would have a better ordered society.

You'll get some bites with this one. Especially in this thread.
 
2009-12-26 11:38:00 PM
hyperflame: And when those "innocent muslims" realize they're being profiled, and are being treated as terrorists, won't they start being radicalized?

OH MY GOD!!!!! We wouldn't want the Muslims to get offended - forget everything I said. We'll search everybody except Muslims...
 
2009-12-26 11:38:24 PM
ragekage: Fer Chrissakes, doesn't this show what sort of security theater we have going on at all levels of TSA screening- and have for the last eight years?

So why hasn't anything changed in a year? If the powers that be had any farking sense they'd bring in consultants from Israel and let them whip the TSA into shape.
 
2009-12-26 11:45:02 PM
SlothB77: the bomber - affluent, well-educated:

With his wealth, privilege and education at one of Britain's leading universities, Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab had the world at his feet - able to choose from a range of futures in which to make his mark on the world.

Instead, the son of one of Nigeria's most important figures opted to make his impact in a very different way, by strapping explosives to his leg - or even possibly implanting them in his thigh - and attempting to blow up a passenger jet as it came in to land over Detroit airport on Christmas Day. The high explosive was identified last night by the FBI as Pentaerythritol (PETN - a major component of Semtex).


Ha ha. Moron.

PETN is like ANFO, and TNT. If you try and ignite it with a match it just burns and creates a stank. It takes dynamite to set it off. And you need a lot more than a couple of ounces of it in one place.

\Every year hundreds of farm boys try and set off an ANFO bomb consisting of ammonium nitrate fertilizer, diesel and a M80 in a soda can.
\\It always fail.
 
2009-12-26 11:46:09 PM
Remember when Dark Helmet said "Evil will always win because good is dumb"? The simple fact is that criminals are stupid, and terrorists are stupid. Some criminals have more money than others, but they're still stupid. Some criminals get lucky (luckier than they should), but it's not because they're some kind of insane diabolical Lecter/Joker mastermind; they just took advantage of a hole easily plugged.

9/11 was a case in point. The 9/11 hijackers were no smarter than any other criminal; they just found a weakness in security and took advantage of it. Once that weakness was removed, a similar hijacking COULD NOT take place again.

Look at the sarin attack on the Tokyo subway. Aum Shinrikyo is/was probably the most dangerous terrorist group in the world: They had the money, the scientific know-how, the lab facilities and the access to the chemicals to produce mass quantities of a weapons-grade nerve gas and execute three separate attacks on one of the most heavily policed cities on earth. They succeeded in none of them, killing in the most "successful" attack exactly 12 people. That attack eventually resulted in the Japanese government taking down the Aum leadership. Why? Because for all their technical expertise in producing sarin gas, they had no clue about how to deliver and disperse it to maximum effect.

Terrorists and criminals have exactly as much power as people allow them to have. If you like to think of terrorists as some kind of incredible comic-book supervillain, then then have that much power. If you prefer to think they have no more power than the bank-robbing thug down the street, then that is all they've got.
 
2009-12-26 11:49:54 PM
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - BF
 
2009-12-26 11:50:24 PM
What I don't get about the whole terrorist threat is why we haven't seen suicide bombings yet. It would be so damn easy to strap explosives on some guy and have him go to the busiest place he could find and go kaboom. Seems a hell of a lot easier than trying to bring down another plane.
 
2009-12-26 11:50:57 PM
Was he trying to stand? Wasn't he blowing himself up sitting down? So the TSAshould require everyone to move around the last hour.
 
2009-12-26 11:51:53 PM
Phinn: This would be the perfect time to switch to trains, were it not for the fact that the US gummint farked up the entire railway industry about 100 years ago.

This.
 
2009-12-26 11:51:53 PM
They've picked up the fact that people are pissed over at the TSA blog. The response is that they can't release certain information, but that some damned excuse or other is coming Real Soon Now™.
 
2009-12-26 11:57:00 PM
MIguy: What I don't get about the whole terrorist threat is why we haven't seen suicide bombings yet. It would be so damn easy to strap explosives on some guy and have him go to the busiest place he could find and go kaboom. Seems a hell of a lot easier than trying to bring down another plane.

If I were a terrorist, I can think of a dozen ways to absolutely cripple LAX, and none of them involve even going into a terminal. If I wasn't an American, I could do some real damage by telling people about these ideas, because LAX security is so full of holes outside the terminals, it is just sad.
 
2009-12-26 11:57:40 PM
Is this to distract us from the fact that the guy was on a terrorist watch list, and still allowed to board with powder taped to his leg?

Christ, the pre-board security at Schipol practically interrogated me when I was flying from Belgrade.

But they didn't have time to search a guy flying from Lagos who's on a watch list?
 
2009-12-26 11:58:14 PM
I hope to fark they all go bankrupt.
 
2009-12-26 11:59:21 PM
I call shenanigans.

If this guy was so rich and Nigerian, then why didn't he send me an email offering thousands to help him transport money out of Nigeria?

Shiver Metimbers is unimpressed.
 
2009-12-27 12:02:08 AM
T-Servo: But they didn't have time to search a guy flying from Lagos who's on a watch list?


A: farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2009-12-27 12:08:26 AM
beoswulf: mark12A: And still everybody dances around the actual problem:
Racial profiling doesn't work. Google Ann Marie Murphy.

It's a true story. She was the girlfriend of a nice Arab guy. She had no idea he wanted to blow up a jet. He went to Ireland with the purpose of seducing a white, Christian Irish woman to carry a bomb in HER luggage. He even got her pregnant to perfect the plan.

He stuck the bomb into her luggage and dropped her off at the airport. Figured security wouldn't suspect a pregnant Irish woman of having a bomb. Luckily she was carefully screened and the bomb was defused.

Muslims on a jihad are willing to kill their own unborn children and their loved ones just to murder infidels and would gladly do so to bypass racial profiling weaknesses.


Mrs. Murphy sounds like less of a "loved one" and more like a "used one." Especially if she was a fat chick with low self-esteem who finally got a man to pay attention to her. He wouldn't have loved her anyway as she would be "infidel trash" to him.
 
2009-12-27 12:11:41 AM
You know what pisses me off about this (and I've seen similar before)?

It's that the government/TSA can suddenly immediately realize what security they need mere minutes after an attack (whether or not successful), when years of thought have not lead to these changes.

The changes mean almost nothing.

It's "cover your ass" time, and "respond immediately" time. It's not "be smart" time.fark, sniff us for explosives and that's it. Let anyone who wants bring on knives or guns -- if everyone can do that, it's not going to pretty for a terrorist. But BS delays and ticky-tacky crap isn't really helping, it's just giving some asshole somewhere cover.
 
2009-12-27 12:16:15 AM
Je5tEr: Just wait till some group pulls some shiat on a Greyhound or Amtrak, or the DC beltway, then we all might as well be confined to our homes.

I went through the dumbest "security screening" imaginable at the Port Authority a few weeks ago. Some Trailways assclown insisted we step out of line and have our luggage checked/person waved with a metal detector.

I'm pretty sure fewer than half the people in line stepped out, so America have been in danger, not counting the risk presented by those tens of thousands of passengers who don't catch a DC bus at the Port Authority each day, instead choosing to ride cheaper transit from the many vendors just outside Penn Station.

(Usually get one of the Chinese coaches to DC that leave approximately once an hour, but it was really cold and hotel was on 38th, so I figured I'd do my bus wait inside rather than deal with the wind along 7th Avenue. Of course, Trailways lets you out more than five blocks from Union Station, unlike the other buses which all put you out by a Metro stop, so screw 'dat!)
 
2009-12-27 12:31:32 AM
highwayrun: Mrs. Murphy sounds like less of a "loved one" and more like a "used one." Especially if she was a fat chick with low self-esteem who finally got a man to pay attention to her. He wouldn't have loved her anyway as she would be "infidel trash" to him.

Point is, she's a white female.

You can't just blindly profile because it's too easy to evade. "Innocent type" people can just have their luggage tampered with, or more directly be bought off. People are gullible, people want fame, people want money, people are stupid.

Meanwhile, how do you detect Muslims to start with? Anyone on a real mission will know how to lie correctly, and silly ideas like "make them eat bacon" will fail the same way, if the mission is important enough, they'll eat it.
 
2009-12-27 12:33:06 AM
mbrother: You know what pisses me off about this (and I've seen similar before)?

It's that the government/TSA can suddenly immediately realize what security they need mere minutes after an attack (whether or not successful), when years of thought have not lead to these changes.

The changes mean almost nothing.

It's "cover your ass" time, and "respond immediately" time. It's not "be smart" time.fark, sniff us for explosives and that's it. Let anyone who wants bring on knives or guns -- if everyone can do that, it's not going to pretty for a terrorist. But BS delays and ticky-tacky crap isn't really helping, it's just giving some asshole somewhere cover.


One thing would have prevented 9/11: Locking cockpit doors. Interestingly, after the plethora of hijackings in the 1970's, cockpit doors were locked; but during the trouble-free 80's and 90's, restrictions were loosened and doors were unlocked. Another thing that would have worked: Preventing all edged weapons from being allowed on planes. Again, that had been the standard practice during the 70's, but had been allowed to erode in the decades where nothing bad happened.

Paying attention to the Phoenix memo might have prevented 9/11 too; the uneasy feelings generated by Mohammed Atta and his companions at Boston Airport could have saved at least one plane. The problem is not "do this" or "change that" it is that it's impossible to keep at the pitch of alertness over many years or decades. 9/11 only happened because the terrorists got lucky all at once, not because any security needed to be changed or added. The cockpit doors could have been locked; they were not. The security screeners could have forbidden the box cutters, it was within their purview; they did not. The FBI had advance warning that there were watch-listed individuals training on commercial jet simulators and could have investigated; they did not. There was no need to change anything, merely to act in ways already in place.

But just as nobody ever keeps their shoes by the bed once the fear of earthquakes has passed, or worries about tornadoes in December, you just can't keep alert to terrorist threats after decades of security.
 
2009-12-27 12:36:32 AM
maybe America should just stop being such a dick and these dudes wouldn't hate us so much.
 
2009-12-27 12:37:07 AM
itazurakko: Meanwhile, how do you detect Muslims to start with?

Start with anyone named Abdul, Farouk or Mohammed.
 
2009-12-27 12:38:20 AM
drew46n2: maybe America should just stop being such a dick and these dudes wouldn't hate us so much.

Unfortunately, we'd have to overhaul our whole culture for them to stop hating us. It isn't just us being dicks - it's our vain, excessive society.
 
2009-12-27 12:40:56 AM
So, what are the odds that mark12a is a big Michael Savage fan?
 
2009-12-27 12:41:17 AM
There should be a group of people who stage a piss-in or a poop-in on one of these flights in the last hour. Others may complain but then they can just say "Sorry, we're just following TSA rules, you know, the ones designed to "protect" you when you fly."
 
2009-12-27 12:42:37 AM
Witchydiva: Retarded Rabid Elk: It is a good thing that the taxpayers just purchased a fleet of private jets for congress to fly in. Our elected leaders are too important to have to deal with the same crap that the serfs citizens have to put up with.

Yep. Just as they are too important to have the same health insurance that they want the rest of us to have.

Or have to do their own taxes, buy their own groceries, cook their own food, drive themselves to get a $14 haircut, etc.


America has a caste system. A place for everyone, and everyone in their place.

The rest of the western world is headed the same way. Let's just introduce sharia law now and make it official.
 
2009-12-27 12:44:11 AM
credit to team: drew46n2: maybe America should just stop being such a dick and these dudes wouldn't hate us so much.

Unfortunately, we'd have to overhaul our whole culture for them to stop hating us. It isn't just us being dicks - it's our vain, excessive society.


As Bill Maher says, they hate us because we don't even know why they hate us.

On the other hand, it's our vain, excessive society they all wish to emigrate to, so maybe it's not all bad.
 
2009-12-27 12:44:53 AM
T.M.S.: x23: ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.

i really wish inconsiderate pricks like you would take a hint and NOT FLY. literally no one cares about your precious cherub. drive. have the grandparents visit YOU. for the love of god... just stay off the GD plane.

believe it or not... your 23-month old has no important business to tend to across the country. somehow we managed to survive as a society before the days of commodity air travel.

Why is it inconsiderate to take a child on an airplane?


Because X23 has no balls, and thus cannot procreate. So seeing other people with children gets him down.
 
2009-12-27 12:48:07 AM
keithrogan: Start with anyone named Abdul, Farouk or Mohammed.

Because no criminals EVER got fake passports and visas, amirite?
 
2009-12-27 12:49:44 AM
highwayrun:As Bill Maher says, they hate us because we don't even know why they hate us.

On the other hand, it's our vain, excessive society they all wish to emigrate to, so maybe it's not all bad.


Sure. It's a tricky situation, and there's a lot more involved than just culture wars. We are the antithesis of the extremist Muslim population, though.
 
2009-12-27 12:51:08 AM
credit to team: drew46n2: maybe America should just stop being such a dick and these dudes wouldn't hate us so much.

Unfortunately, we'd have to overhaul our whole culture for them to stop hating us. It isn't just us being dicks - it's our vain, excessive society.



well, as excessive as our society may be, these assholes dont like women doing pesky things like driving, voting, or being in public without them.
 
2009-12-27 12:54:22 AM
highwayrun: As Bill Maher says, they hate us because we don't even know why they hate us.

No, they don't even know why they hate us. Didn't some of the 9/11 hijackers spend some time in a strip club a day or two before their jihad?
 
2009-12-27 12:59:09 AM
drew46n2: well, as excessive as our society may be, these assholes dont like women doing pesky things like driving, voting, or being in public without them.

I'm not saying women going out in public alone or driving or voting or any such things are excessive, don't get me wrong. Nor am I saying that America sucks and deserves to be taken over by extremists. I'm just saying, from their viewpoint, that is one of the major problems. A clash of cultures.
 
2009-12-27 01:00:19 AM
itazurakko: Because no criminals EVER got fake passports and visas, amirite?

Sure they can fake documents, but 99% of them are still going to be middle eastern in appearance or traveling from a country with terrorist ties. All I'm saying is concentrate on what we KNOW about terrorists - they're Muslims. Quit hassling little old white ladies while the prime suspects walk past unsearched.

If a cop is looking for Latino gang members tied to a crime, one thing he doesn't do is stop to search pregnant white women, elderly black men, Muslim women wearing hijabs, etc. He looks for young hispanic men. Why throw common sense out the window when the perps are Muslims boarding airplanes?
 
2009-12-27 01:02:29 AM
AndyChrist_NZ: Why not simply apply anesthetics to all passengers flying, case solved. I believe that this was how Howard Hughes preferred to travel after the crazies kicked in?

I could have hit upon something there.


B.A. Baracus may (or may not) approve of your methods.

/Damn, I wish I knew how to post pics.
 
2009-12-27 01:03:36 AM
MIguy: highwayrun: As Bill Maher says, they hate us because we don't even know why they hate us.

No, they don't even know why they hate us. Didn't some of the 9/11 hijackers spend some time in a strip club a day or two before their jihad?


I'm not really sure, but were any of the hijackers anything like people hired to do suicide bombings? Average dudes who don't necessarily care one way or the other, but have been offered financial security for their family? If they were indeed average dudes, maybe they wouldn't have a problem going to the strip club.
 
2009-12-27 01:08:30 AM
"blacksho89 Quote 2009-12-26 07:29:49 PM
A young Muslim male attempted to set off an incendiary device. Obviously, then, we must tell your white grandmother to stay in her frakking seat and pee her pants if she can't hold it.
Cause, you know, profiling is, like, wrong.
Frak you, Janet Napolitano, and the inbred, leprous horse you rode in on. It's your job to keep the motherfrakking terrorists OFF the motherfrakking plane, and you failed. The passengers saved their own arses, and you respond by PENALIZING THE PASSENGERS! You are a frakking idiot, and your president has failed to change ANYTHING.

Why don't you take a lesson from El Al, who have not experienced a hijacking since 23 July 1968.

Oh, that's right. They aren't politically correct. You farking moron."
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THIS!

/I still really like Obama. If anyone can smoothly communicate to the 'tarded masses that being realistic is not the same as being 'racist' (although the illness of being muslim is not constrained to any one race), its Obama. ... Uh, I'm sure he can put this way more delicately then I.

/bottom line, some people farked up big-time, and they NEED to be fired! The terrorists OWN FATHER warned the US embassy, and they still did not strip search him, or just not let him on any plane?!!! Wow! just farkin wow!!! A farkup of epic proportions. The people who SHOULD have stopped this should all be shackled and ridiculed in public.
 
2009-12-27 01:09:18 AM
And if the passengers still can't control themselves, they'll all have to stay-over for 1 hr AFTER they claim their baggage.
That's the only reasonable thing to do.


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2009-12-27 01:11:42 AM
mbrother: You know what pisses me off about this (and I've seen similar before)?

It's that the government/TSA can suddenly immediately realize what security they need mere minutes after an attack (whether or not successful), when years of thought have not lead to these changes.

The changes mean almost nothing.

It's "cover your ass" time, and "respond immediately" time. It's not "be smart" time.fark, sniff us for explosives and that's it. Let anyone who wants bring on knives or guns -- if everyone can do that, it's not going to pretty for a terrorist. But BS delays and ticky-tacky crap isn't really helping, it's just giving some asshole somewhere cover.


I think people should carry something to hit people with. I have a rock hard purse with metal feet that I travel with.
 
2009-12-27 01:12:36 AM
"Ladnil Quote 2009-12-26 07:56:25 PM
So, what, are planes explosion-proof up until an hour before landing? This is moronic."


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This, so much this!
 
2009-12-27 01:13:10 AM
T.M.S.: Why is it inconsiderate to take a child on an airplane?

Because children cry and generally make a nuisance of themselves to every other traveler in the plane? And let's not even mention infecting everyone with whatever diseases the little snotrag has.

Your precious little snowflake is not perfect in every way, and it should be illegal for parents to use them as a WMD.
 
2009-12-27 01:14:38 AM
And these measures are sure to stop the incredibly predictable use of biological weapons because? Oh, right, those are ILLEGAL!
 
2009-12-27 01:16:49 AM
prgrmr: can we now please get bomb-sniffing dogs at the airport security check and be done with putting-up with this incompetent, overdone travesty that is the TSA?

It's more important that those dogs be used to stop people with joints in their pockets.

Weed is WAY more dangerous than bombs.

/DEA
 
2009-12-27 01:20:41 AM
mark12A: They are training women to be suicide bombers now.

What the fark do we do when the first Intra-Uterine-Bomb (IUB) gets detonated by a female Islamic suicide bomber??? WHAT DO WE DO??? HUH??

Ban ALL females from flying?
Hire TSA gynecoligists?
JUST ACCEPT the occasional plane bombing?

Islam is NOT a religion. It is a cross between a political movement, a cult and an obsessive-compulsive disorder.

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE. It is an ideological movement. It is attacking us from within. 10% of muslims are Islamic Fundies. And 90% of Muslims look the other way.

Want to solve the problem? Make life for ALL muslims a living hell in order to MOTIVATE them to eliminate the crazies.

Works in the Army. One guy in a squad screws up, the entire squad get punished. The squad members then do a very efficient job of straightening out the bad actor.

Want to avoid the Crusades 2.0? MAKE THE MUZZIES CLEAN UP THEIR ACT. NOW.

If we don't, the people will eventually get fed up, and there will be massive bloodshed. I really don't want to put up with a Beruit style civil war in my country.


Won't work--the bad guys control the propaganda.

frankjmattia: just came here to say i have no problem pissing in my seat during the last hour of the flight... seems like it would mildly inconvenience the airlines with little-to-no risk to myself.

Most of the time it won't be a problem. It becomes a problem if you have meal service still ongoing (yes, some flights have meals.) or you have people waking up before landing causing a crowd after the bathrooms. Likewise, if people have been pinned in their seats by turbulence it could cause bathroom crowd problems.

Cornwell: Propain_az: Two words: Anal Bomber.


\The horror of security would be horrific!

Wikipedia can tell me that the human rectum is about 12 centimeter deep. And a guesstimate based on turds coming out of the human rectum would have me believe that we are speaking about 2,5 - 3 cm radius. So 340 cubic centimeters at best.
This is about 66% of the size of a M112 demolition charge, or 375 grams.

It would definitely not be enough to blow up a plane. But it could quite possibly punch a hole in the cabin of an aircraft, causing decompression, hysteria and the need for clean underwear among fellow passengers.

If somebody one day decides to cram three quarters of a pound of explosives up their ass before boarding a plane, I would like to remind you CIA people that I will come quietly if you just ask nicely. No need for unmarked helicopters in the night again.


I've done bigger logs than that.

Digitalstrange: Snarfangel: The passengers seem to be better at protecting the plane than the TSA. Just have the stewardesses give people permission to beat the hell out of terrorists during their pre-flight "Here's how to use the seat belt" briefing.

There was a comedian with a routine like that. Instead of banning weapons make it a rule if you have an american passport and an above room temperature IQ they issue you a gun when you get on a plane. That way when Abdul hops up with his boxcutter and announces hes taking over the plane you can stand up, point the gun at him and go "I dont think so Sparky. Sit down, shut the hell up and eat your peanuts cause this flight is going to Pittsburgh just like the ticket says"


Hijacking is basically a non-threat at this point--the passengers won't put up with it even if he's armed. The threat is bombs.


How about doing something *USEFUL*: Announce a policy of targeting anyone who is preaching Jihad. Bug whatever we can, kill anyone who preaches Jihad. Don't go overboard but use whatever force is needed to get the job done (this will generally mean flattening any building they are inside.) This will make it dangerous merely to listen to someone preaching Jihad. Every such attack should be accompanied by a leaflet drop explaining why they were targeted.
 
2009-12-27 01:21:28 AM
keithrogan: Sure they can fake documents, but 99% of them are still going to be middle eastern in appearance or traveling from a country with terrorist ties. All I'm saying is concentrate on what we KNOW about terrorists - they're Muslims. Quit hassling little old white ladies while the prime suspects walk past unsearched.

If a cop is looking for Latino gang members tied to a crime, one thing he doesn't do is stop to search pregnant white women, elderly black men, Muslim women wearing hijabs, etc. He looks for young hispanic men. Why throw common sense out the window when the perps are Muslims boarding airplanes?


Because it's about the furthest thing FROM common sense.

The moment you profile, they send mules who evade your silly test, that's why.
 
2009-12-27 01:32:34 AM
The Germans have a solution for this. Fly naked. If you don't mind naked Germans, that is. link reasonably safe for work (minor German ass), why are you there today anyway?
 
2009-12-27 01:34:22 AM
mark12A, watch out, its not safe to speak the truth! People prefer heart-warming stories about nice teddy bears.
 
2009-12-27 01:38:37 AM
Stupid. Reactionary. Move. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Flown 20 times a year for 20 years before 9/11. Flown once to Vegas since. Never again. Too many stupid, stupid rules. And fees. And Dumb airlines. And TSA. Dumbest of all. Where do they hire them? Hobo camps? Sad.
 
2009-12-27 01:42:21 AM
"The moment you profile, they send mules who evade your silly test, that's why."

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You are right, how terrible it would be to make the terrorists work extra hard to go that one extra step of recruiting mules (and make them agree to commit suicide, easy), we should just make it easier for them.

Its a very difficult job, terroristing, and the pay isn't that good (I mean 72 fat virgins, who are ALL guys!? WTF!).
 
2009-12-27 01:45:28 AM
/by the way, that's why I keep all my doors unlocked, I mean, the moment you lock them, they'll just have to learn how to lock-pick, and that's a tedious and boring job, poor thieves have a difficult job as it is...
 
2009-12-27 01:52:32 AM
Brade: /by the way, that's why I keep all my doors unlocked, I mean, the moment you lock them, they'll just have to learn how to lock-pick, and that's a tedious and boring job, poor thieves have a difficult job as it is...

More like mandating that you stop in the driveway and stare at your door for 15 minutes before you can enter your own house.
 
2009-12-27 01:56:30 AM
I feel safer already!
 
2009-12-27 02:07:13 AM
I don't know what scarier, that "terrorists" now seem to be amazingly inept or that the Helpful Government Friends had these restrictions ready to pull out of their ass or that The White House gleefully jumped on the bandwagon as well.

/The answer is C: They're all farktards.
 
2009-12-27 02:14:34 AM
AntiNorm: T.M.S.: Don't sell yourself short.

I'm sure you are much more annoying than you give yourself credit for.

I'm sure I am annoying at times. That doesn't discount the fact that screaming babies are EXTREMELY annoying, to everyone else on the plane (not just me).


Sometimes its useful to have a brain, and take prophylactic measures, instead of biatching like a fag.

www.angelicbabyshowergifts.com
 
2009-12-27 02:17:45 AM
Hello, I have a few suggestions:

1) Quit all silly reactive policies, shoe removal, liquid ban, can't get up last hour of trip.
2) Make TSA a real grown up agency like FBI, Customs or ICE, they should be LEOs with real training, pay and standards of employment that is competitive with other agencies.
3) Put more bomb sniffing dogs.
4) Have 1 to a handful (depending on the size of the airport) of real bomb techs on staff on the TSA
5) Expand behavior detection program, including profiling, utilizing help from the Israeli government.
6) Put a machine that scans boarding passes and IDs, to see if they match, the current system is pointless since boarding passes can be easily photoshopped.
7) Admit no security check can be perfect and unless you employ Zombie-Stalin, the possibility of a terrorist getting something on a plane will exist.

* I believe whole body image machines are a great technology, if a it can be done with a machine sacanning nudie pics and the speed is increased a bit, it should replace metal detectors, C4 isn't metal.
** what do we do with current TSOs? Salvage what is possible, grandfather in what is convenient, let the rest of the work force go.
 
2009-12-27 02:20:14 AM
Loren: How about doing something *USEFUL*: Announce a policy of targeting anyone who is preaching Jihad. Bug whatever we can, kill anyone who preaches Jihad. Don't go overboard but use whatever force is needed to get the job done (this will generally mean flattening any building they are inside.) This will make it dangerous merely to listen to someone preaching Jihad. Every such attack should be accompanied by a leaflet drop explaining why they were targeted.

That would mean conquering Saudi Arabia. Then stripping the royal family of all of their assets. And replacing the Wahhabi Clerics with moderate clerics from elsewhere in the Muslim world. This isn't going to happen. So basically we wait for the oil in Saudi Arabia to run out.
 
2009-12-27 02:25:30 AM
MRIman: illegal to get up within the final hour.... mmmm Why don't they just make it illegal to try to terrorize a plane? Making a rule against it will stop the terrorists, right?

Well, I think it is illegal.
But I appreciate the sentiment, and agree wholeheartedly.
 
2009-12-27 02:45:12 AM
gibbon1: Loren: How about doing something *USEFUL*: Announce a policy of targeting anyone who is preaching Jihad. Bug whatever we can, kill anyone who preaches Jihad. Don't go overboard but use whatever force is needed to get the job done (this will generally mean flattening any building they are inside.) This will make it dangerous merely to listen to someone preaching Jihad. Every such attack should be accompanied by a leaflet drop explaining why they were targeted.

That would mean conquering Saudi Arabia. Then stripping the royal family of all of their assets. And replacing the Wahhabi Clerics with moderate clerics from elsewhere in the Muslim world. This isn't going to happen. So basically we wait for the oil in Saudi Arabia to run out.


We could do that--kill all the Jihadis, I mean. Of course, then they'd hate America even worse than they do now, so there'd be even more jihadis. So we'd basically have to kill everyone who was Muslim. And all their relatives who weren't Muslim before, but converted after we killed their family and friends.

Then we'd need to kill anyone who wasn't Muslim, but who hates us and saw our wholesale slaughter of the Muslims as proof that America hates anyone who opposes them; they'd start attacking us, probably en masse, and we'd need to kill them (guys like Chavez down in Argentinia would love an excuse to rally up South America). We'd need to attack China, too, because they'd be selling arms to everyone who wanted to attack America.

Then, too, we'd lose all our allies; a lot of our more wobbly allies don't even approve of what we're doing NOW, and if we started just killing jihadis and clerics who preach jihad they'd abandon us in a second. Our more solid allies might hang on for a while, but when the jihadis began attacking them, they'd get cold feet and let us fight it out for ourselves. Basically, we'd be on our own in nine or ten months.

So, we'd be fighting the whole world, all by ourselves. With no allies, no resources, and no sympathy from anyone. And everyone would hate us and be cheering for our defeat. Do you really think that will work, or are you just being facetious?
 
2009-12-27 02:52:36 AM
stuhayes2010: Was he trying to stand? Wasn't he blowing himself up sitting down? So the TSAshould require everyone to move around the last hour.

You are hereby nominated for Head of the TSA.

/too funny
 
2009-12-27 03:01:35 AM
ochobit: Hello, I have a few suggestions:

1) Quit all silly reactive policies, shoe removal, liquid ban, can't get up last hour of trip.
2) Make TSA a real grown up agency like FBI, Customs or ICE, they should be LEOs with real training, pay and standards of employment that is competitive with other agencies.
3) Put more bomb sniffing dogs.
4) Have 1 to a handful (depending on the size of the airport) of real bomb techs on staff on the TSA
5) Expand behavior detection program, including profiling, utilizing help from the Israeli government.
6) Put a machine that scans boarding passes and IDs, to see if they match, the current system is pointless since boarding passes can be easily photoshopped.
7) Admit no security check can be perfect and unless you employ Zombie-Stalin, the possibility of a terrorist getting something on a plane will exist.

* I believe whole body image machines are a great technology, if a it can be done with a machine sacanning nudie pics and the speed is increased a bit, it should replace metal detectors, C4 isn't metal.
** what do we do with current TSOs? Salvage what is possible, grandfather in what is convenient, let the rest of the work force go.


Please notify us when you run for office so we can vote for you. Also, link back to gems like these so that we remember who you are.
 
2009-12-27 03:13:31 AM
zz9: I am struggling to think of any single measure that is as easy to get around as this. So a terrorist can't set off his bomb in the last hour? So he sets it off a few minutes earlier. Job done.

This is like saying "He was wearing a blue jacket! Lets ban all blue jackets!"


This.

Even if they are doing this to try to stop people from blowing up certain ground targets, they bastard terrorists are just going to result to blowing up the planes midair.
 
2009-12-27 03:14:23 AM
*the

Just woke up.
 
2009-12-27 03:22:07 AM
itazurakko: keithrogan: Start with anyone named Abdul, Farouk or Mohammed.

Because no criminals EVER got fake passports and visas, amirite?


/THIS...

and there are NO Lebanese Christians, Druze, or Coptic Egyptians, or Indonesian secularists, or Pakistani converts-to-other-religions or anyone who might be named as such, but have no other association with Islam as a religion?

That makes about as much sense as assuming anyone named "Emilio" or "Esteban" is a Mexican illegal. And I even support some forms of security profiling, but what you suggest is stupid and shortsighted.
 
2009-12-27 03:33:47 AM
itazurakko: The moment you profile, they send mules who evade your silly test, that's why.

Yeah, because it's so easy to get non-Muslims to volunteer to kill themselves... How much money would it take to bribe you to kill yourself?
 
2009-12-27 03:39:13 AM
Befuddled: This is stupid in that there's nothing magical about the last hour of a flight. If an asshole wants to blow up a plane, he can do it just as easily at takeoff or at an hour and fifteen minutes before landing.

I'm afraid we are going to have to start profiling people like El Al Airlines does. The world sucks.


It's obvious their thinking is that the Filthy Turrorists want to stage a crash on some built-up area for maximum psy-ops effect. It's useless to the Evil Muslims if the plane goes down over water or some remote area -- thus, the attempt to trigger the incendiary during the landing approach over a city.

Of course, all bets are off when considering that not all flights terminate at the coastal cities, and ther are plenty of major population centers underneath flightpaths of midwest-bound planes.

As one who will be traveling to the USA next week, this SUCKS SWEATY MONKEY BALLS.

Not sure whether I hate the TSA more than the Muslims....
 
2009-12-27 03:42:14 AM
beoswulf: Racial profiling doesn't work. Google Ann Marie Murphy.

It looks like you read a salon editorial and bought it hook, line and sinker. (Yeah, I googled the name).

This doesn't prove that profiling doesn't work so much as it manifests that it is not a silver bullet. Fortunately other security measures detected the bomb before it went off.

Don't kid yourself - the US uses profiling right now. I worked with a guy with the unfortunate last name of Mohammed. He works in the US on a visa and is Muslim. He does not favor terrorism and he also understands why he gets picked out of airport security lines for extra scrutiny. It is an inconvenience, but he doesn't mind.
 
2009-12-27 03:43:16 AM
keithrogan: itazurakko: The moment you profile, they send mules who evade your silly test, that's why.

Yeah, because it's so easy to get non-Muslims to volunteer to kill themselves... How much money would it take to bribe you to kill yourself?


The bribe wouldn't be $1,000,000 to kill yourself. It would be, "We'll give $1,000,000 to your parents, wife and children if you kill yourself for our cause." Which might actually be how they're getting volunteers, outside the 72 virgins thing.

I don't know if they are offering a payment to the families of suicide bombers or not, but I do remember a few years ago, I think it was the president of Pakistan (not 100% sure on the name of the country, but it was in that area of the world, if might have been Iran or even Saudi Arabia), ordering the destruction of the homes of the family members of suicide bombers because they were/if they were benefiting from the suicide bomber.
 
2009-12-27 03:44:06 AM
Boo
 
2009-12-27 03:45:37 AM
Anodos: and there are NO Lebanese Christians, Druze, or Coptic Egyptians, or Indonesian secularists, or Pakistani converts-to-other-religions or anyone who might be named as such, but have no other association with Islam as a religion?

And so if you're a Christian Arab or some non-Muslim guy named Mohammed, you get screened - "Excuse me while I look in your bag and pat you down." Big deal! It makes no sense at all to waste your time deliberately screening elderly white women, so that Muslims aren't offended.

Back to police work - do cops question elderly women while looking for gangs? No! They don't. They don't because they're not farking idiots.
 
2009-12-27 03:46:02 AM
keithrogan: itazurakko: The moment you profile, they send mules who evade your silly test, that's why.

Yeah, because it's so easy to get non-Muslims to volunteer to kill themselves... How much money would it take to bribe you to kill yourself?


Actually, depending on the where, not as difficult as you seem to think. All they need to do is find someone who would in Western circumstances try to stage a suicide to look like an accident to claim a life insurance policy, i.e., someone who feels they would be of more benefit to their family or whomever dead than alive, and they would likely do it.

You put too much faith in people being of a mindset either similar to your own or diametrically opposed, when there are plenty of people who are motivated neither by ideology, nor practicality/pragmatism in the face of what seem like overwhelming circumstances. Not to give a pass to rich farkwads like bin Laden or that guy who became "the American Taliban" or what have you, but a lot of those who become terrorists, Muslim extremists, etc, are doing so for similar reasons as young men join violent gangs in the US... rejection by society, women, parents, etc, and the hope of inclusion in a larger group.

The dynamics of terrorism and extremism in Islam are far more complex than religious ideology; there are far more people who convert rather than become martyrs for their faith, whatever it may be, in the case of invasion/absorption by another. Similarly, there are many who are only mildly inconvenienced by Islamization and institution of sharia in their country, and so see no reason to die opposing it.

But that's drifting off of the response to your post and more aimed at others earlier. As for your post, it would take however much money, with pre-payment or a trustworthy guarantee, to ensure that my family were taken care of in whatever podunk country/village/area I happened to be from, if I were a non-Muslim approached in dire circumstances with the choice. Thankfully I'm not, but try to think outside of your own point of view and lifestyle and material circumstances.
 
2009-12-27 03:47:33 AM
I hope the TSA never realizes that people are made mostly of liquids and as such should be divided into a whole lot of 3 oz containers in a ziploc.
 
2009-12-27 03:49:01 AM
keithrogan: Anodos: and there are NO Lebanese Christians, Druze, or Coptic Egyptians, or Indonesian secularists, or Pakistani converts-to-other-religions or anyone who might be named as such, but have no other association with Islam as a religion?

And so if you're a Christian Arab or some non-Muslim guy named Mohammed, you get screened - "Excuse me while I look in your bag and pat you down." Big deal! It makes no sense at all to waste your time deliberately screening elderly white women, so that Muslims aren't offended.

Back to police work - do cops question elderly women while looking for gangs? No! They don't. They don't because they're not farking idiots.


Actually if they were to do that it would make sense... "which boys seem to be threatening your neighborhood, or causing trouble, or have troubles at home, or have recently lost parents?"

Old ladies would be an excellent resource if the police built up a relationship with them, especially in a difficult neighborhood.
 
2009-12-27 03:49:49 AM
Jument: I hope the TSA never realizes that people are made mostly of liquids and as such should be divided into a whole lot of 3 oz containers in a ziploc.

That was done to me at O'Hare. Trust me, it sucks.
 
2009-12-27 03:51:10 AM
Anodos: All they need to do is find someone who would in Western circumstances try to stage a suicide to look like an accident to claim a life insurance policy, i.e., someone who feels they would be of more benefit to their family or whomever dead than alive, and they would likely do it

You watch too many bad TV dramas.
 
2009-12-27 03:56:13 AM
keithrogan: Anodos: All they need to do is find someone who would in Western circumstances try to stage a suicide to look like an accident to claim a life insurance policy, i.e., someone who feels they would be of more benefit to their family or whomever dead than alive, and they would likely do it

You watch too many bad TV dramas.


Except that that actually happens. As you have done nothing to address what I had to point out about other reasons someone in a NON-Western context could be persuaded to blow themselves up (to add to it, poor guy from Moscow, lily-white, bought off with promises that his family would be paid well/not blown up by Chechnyans, etc etc.) I'm just going to assume you're bored, trolling for the lulz, and think that I'm getting butthurt about all of this... I'm just bored myself, but trying to contribute positively/rebut some of the unhinged whaarrrrrgarbl and twelve-year-old-like-typing that ran the course of the thread, without being a Lefty kumbaya-ist insisting that it's all big-bad Amurrica's fault for stepping on Muslim toes in the past.
 
2009-12-27 03:57:35 AM
Did you hear that?

I think that was the sound of AirMall executives high-fiving just now.
 
2009-12-27 04:17:18 AM
Forcing passengers to sit passively in their seats with nothing to do for an hour before arrival?

This is actually illegal according to Article 13 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation that the USA signed in 1946. A country cannot dictate what laws and regulations international passengers and crew will follow before arrival.

Stay classy, America.
 
2009-12-27 05:09:47 AM
peachy92: Why doesn't the TSA just gang and bound us and insert butt plugs up our rectums? That would make air travel safe.

Some passengers might like that, actually.
 
2009-12-27 05:31:59 AM
Wow. I definitely will not be visiting the U.S. anytime soon. Forget it!

2 years ago when I went I was nearly raped by the TSA and was blinded by a morbidly obese woman that was being forced to shift her body mass around so that the TSA could search those cavities as well.

I don't know what is worse, going through 3 rounds of security and customs when flying to certain destinations, or being stuck next to an obese person and an un-disciplined child for the duration of a 10 hour flight?

Yeah, definitely not going to the states, EVER (if I can help it).
 
2009-12-27 05:57:57 AM
keithrogan: Anodos: All they need to do is find someone who would in Western circumstances try to stage a suicide to look like an accident to claim a life insurance policy, i.e., someone who feels they would be of more benefit to their family or whomever dead than alive, and they would likely do it

You watch too many bad TV dramas.


In the 1980's a fired airport worker used his still active keycard to bypass security at LAX and smuggled a gun on board a flight to SFO. They found the gun in the wreckage. No one knows exactly what happened, but the presumption is he hijacked the plane and then flew it into the ground.
 
2009-12-27 08:12:49 AM
porterm: i really love flying in airplanes,but really,to me,if i need to take a commercial flight to get somewhere anymore,its just not worth it. havent flown since 2002,the goon squads were enough for me to just say no to anymore future flying. if i can hop on someones private plane,ill gladly go but no more commercial flights for me if its at all possible for me to get there on the ground. might cost me a couple days on both ends of a trip,but id rather drive then put up with this madness. of course,im old and remember times when you could just go to the airport and buy a ticket and get on a plane and go somewhere without spending hours clearing security. think im gonna buy a landyacht and terrorize the highways instead.

You exagerate, grow up.
 
2009-12-27 09:02:41 AM
Kyosuke: Score another victory for the terrorists.

It is their victory only because of the over-reation of the government.

DamnYankees: "This country is full of and run by utter cowards. Just pathetic."

Did you read about it at all? The passengers overpowered the perp. This is a failure of terrorism. But our overlords cannot stand it when people deal with a problem themselves. You WILL have "help" from your government!
 
2009-12-27 09:12:01 AM
keithrogan: If a cop is looking for Latino gang members tied to a crime, one thing he doesn't do is stop to search pregnant white women, elderly black men, Muslim women wearing hijabs, etc. He looks for young hispanic men. Why throw common sense out the window when the perps are Muslims boarding airplanes?

Umm, they already caught the guy responsible for committing the crime. This is the land of the free, home of the brave remember? We're supposed to be better than that. There is no justification in the world for racial profiling. None. Come on Americans, remember who you are.
 
2009-12-27 10:20:09 AM
Loren: Want to solve the problem? Make life for ALL muslims a living hell in order to MOTIVATE them to eliminate the crazies.

worked for the jews.. I mean just look at them they love the Germans now*..

//*jews may not actually love germans
 
2009-12-27 10:23:05 AM
Maybe it's time for sweeping changes, although it'll be hard getting wimpy European governments on board. There should be a few million people on the no fly lists. No cruise ship lists too.

In 2002 i was boarding a flight from Boise to Boston, and I watched as TSA scumbags frisked and were obviously getting their jollies going over a tall blonde girl wearing a miniskirt. They had her sit down while they gave her the 3rd degree. Why? What the fark is going on? Until a tall blue eyed blonde takes down a plane, leave em alone!
No, I didn't take a picture, should have though.

How do we change the system?
 
2009-12-27 10:32:40 AM
social benthos: I'd much rather deal with the slight possibility of a terrorist attack than live in a police state. No matter how strict the regulations get, there will always be somebody who can figure out a way around them to do something bad.

If you really want to stop terrorism, then maybe you should pressure your government not to take actions that make entire regions of the world hate you.

And no, they don't "Hate us for Our Freedoms!tm"


Or we could burn the villages these savages come from, slaughter their extended families, kill and continue to kill until no funny-speaking brown foreigner dares lift a hand against an American.

Who's with me, boys?
 
2009-12-27 10:33:10 AM
Here's a picture of MIGuy at a social gathering of a few of his friends:

hisvorpal.files.wordpress.com
 
2009-12-27 10:34:35 AM
You know what? I'm ok with our current security. I think the larger problems lie with oversized people in small seats, screaming and undisciplined kids, retards placing their 4 carry-ons over your seat and bad in flight movies.
 
2009-12-27 10:35:23 AM
Why don't we just ground ALL flights? That would stop the problem dead in its tracks.
 
2009-12-27 11:37:08 AM
keithrogan: itazurakko: Meanwhile, how do you detect Muslims to start with?

Start with anyone named Abdul, Farouk or Mohammed.


Or Richard?
 
2009-12-27 11:37:41 AM
ragekage: Awesome, I get to take a 23-month old on a cross-country flight in two weeks.


What's the cutoff for using months as a measure of age? I thought it was after 12.
 
2009-12-27 11:44:59 AM
Crash_Test_Dhimmi: So why don't we just not let people on NO FLY LISTS.... NOT FLY ON PLANES!!!!...


Why do that when you can make everybody jump through new security theater hoops that wouldn't have stopped the attack that the started the knees jerking.

- The gate agents on 9/11 did not fail to do the jobs they were given to do.
- The 9/11 attackers flew using their REAL NAMES, so lets make everybody be required to provide photo ID, formerly many times before boarding.
- Having watch lists that don't get checked is pointless, even when the terrorists STILL fly using their REAL NAMES and ID.
- The 9/11 attackers didn't need carryon bags so let's ban all carry ons (they could have had the box cutters in their pockets)
- The ban on liquids would only stop a terrorist flying solo from having enough material to bring down the jet.

and finally....
- Banning moving around the jet during the last hour wouldn't have stopped this guy.

But hey, we can be secure in knowing that the highly trained maroons that let all the above holes and mistakes exist will be real pros at watching the crowds for suspicious behavior, right?
 
2009-12-27 11:46:51 AM
black_knight: Why don't we just ground ALL flights? That would stop the problem dead in its tracks.

That's too extreme.

They'll just make everybody fly necked and be required to be placed in a drug-induced coma before takeoff.
 
2009-12-27 11:49:30 AM
Quantum Apostrophe: Wow, way to go, you pansy american cowards. Brought to your knees by some firecrackers. The terrorists already won. Pussies. Where are the big loud courageous obnoxious good old boys now? Oh, they're only courageous when their socialized military is there to nanny them.

i know i shouldn't feed the troll...but

fail.

i'm not afraid, and neither are the sensible among us who know what happens to anyone trying to hijack a plane.

they get a red-ass beatdown. as someone so astutely pointed out earlier, the past few attempts to bring down a plane were met with an asskicking by the passengers.
 
2009-12-27 11:59:31 AM
mark12A: do you recall the unibomber?
or Tim McVey?
or the guy who blew up abortion clinics?
or the bomber at the Atlanta olympic games?
or a group called the IRA?

SOMEBODY has a problem with reading comprehension. Note the above: "ALL of the terrorists attacking airplanes.."

None of your heroes attacked airplanes.

Jeez, you're stupid....


you conveinently missed my other example who DID try to blow up a plane. richard reid. white guy. born in england to a white mother and jamaican man. neither of them were followers of islam. so... to recap. just because you're middle eastern doesn't mean you are a terrorist. just because you're white doesn't mean you won't try to take down an airplane. thanks for playing.
 
2009-12-27 12:20:18 PM
nmemkha: Here's a picture of MIGuy at a social gathering of a few of his friends:

lol
 
2009-12-27 12:26:55 PM
mark12A: Japanese Red Army: Hijacked planes. Were not Muslim. (1970's)
Cuban dissidents: Hijacked planes. Were not Muslim. (1960's-70's_)
Sikh secessionists: Hijacked planes. Were not Muslim. (1970's-80's)
Anti-Marcos revolutionaries: Hijacked a plane in the Philippines. Were not Muslim.

ARE THEY CURRENTLY DOING THIS?? HAVE THEY IN THE PAST 20 FARKIN' YEARS?

They are not, hence there is no need to care about those groups.
The problem is MUSLIMS. Now. At the moment. If Mormons were running around blowing themselves up on airplanes, you're damm straight I'd be calling for invading Salt Lake City.


you know... white folks have been blowing up courthouses, and other public places in America in the last 20 years. (see previous list of examples). Do you only care about airplanes? Why is that? do terrorists in our midst not bother you? Do you not think that when a person blows up a building in america, that this is a problem? or are you afraid of being labeled a traitor to your race?

oh here's a few more airplanes/airports that got bombed in the PAST 20 YEARS.

free papua movement bombed an airport in 2008 - not muslim
basque nationalists blew up a bomb at madrid airport in 2006 - not muslim
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam attacks Bandaranaike International Airport in 2001 - not muslim
3 ethiopians hijack Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 in 1996 - not muslim

but you go right on spewing your nonsense about how all terrorists attacks are done by muslim--i mean all plane terrorists attacks are done by muslims--i mean all terrorist attacks done recently were done by muslims--i mean... ummm... where you gonna move the goalposts now?
 
2009-12-27 12:27:59 PM
nmemkha: Here's a picture of MIGuy at a social gathering of a few of his friends:

why is one of them wearing black ?
wtf he couldn't find white bedsheets?
 
2009-12-27 12:32:22 PM
trouzourt: nmemkha: Here's a picture of MIGuy at a social gathering of a few of his friends:

why is one of them wearing black ?
wtf he couldn't find white bedsheets?


Token black guy.
 
2009-12-27 12:51:46 PM
blacksho89: A young Muslim male attempted to set off an incendiary device. Obviously, then, we must tell your white grandmother to stay in her frakking seat and pee her pants if she can't hold it.
Cause, you know, profiling is, like, wrong.
Frak you, Janet Napolitano, and the inbred, leprous horse you rode in on. It's your job to keep the motherfrakking terrorists OFF the motherfrakking plane, and you failed. The passengers saved their own arses, and you respond by PENALIZING THE PASSENGERS! You are a frakking idiot, and your president has failed to change ANYTHING.

Why don't you take a lesson from El Al, who have not experienced a hijacking since 23 July 1968.

Oh, that's right. They aren't politically correct. You frakking moron.


You know that one method of torture is depriving people of a bathroom? I can tell ya that I will laugh my ass off when incontinent old grandmas start peeing themselves in their seats.
Who wants to bet they'd get arrested at the end of the flight?
 
2009-12-27 12:52:38 PM
UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: keithrogan: If a cop is looking for Latino gang members tied to a crime, one thing he doesn't do is stop to search pregnant white women, elderly black men, Muslim women wearing hijabs, etc. He looks for young hispanic men. Why throw common sense out the window when the perps are Muslims boarding airplanes?

Umm, they already caught the guy responsible for committing the crime. This is the land of the free, home of the brave remember? We're supposed to be better than that. There is no justification in the world for racial profiling. None. Come on Americans, remember who you are.


When ragheads stop trying to blow up our planes, we'll stop profile ragheads. It works for El-Al
 
2009-12-27 01:07:40 PM
zahadum party planner: mark12A: Japanese Red Army: Hijacked planes. Were not Muslim. (1970's)
Cuban dissidents: Hijacked planes. Were not Muslim. (1960's-70's_)
Sikh secessionists: Hijacked planes. Were not Muslim. (1970's-80's)
Anti-Marcos revolutionaries: Hijacked a plane in the Philippines. Were not Muslim.

ARE THEY CURRENTLY DOING THIS?? HAVE THEY IN THE PAST 20 FARKIN' YEARS?

They are not, hence there is no need to care about those groups.
The problem is MUSLIMS. Now. At the moment. If Mormons were running around blowing themselves up on airplanes, you're damm straight I'd be calling for invading Salt Lake City.


you know... white folks have been blowing up courthouses, and other public places in America in the last 20 years. (see previous list of examples). Do you only care about airplanes? Why is that? do terrorists in our midst not bother you? Do you not think that when a person blows up a building in america, that this is a problem? or are you afraid of being labeled a traitor to your race?

oh here's a few more airplanes/airports that got bombed in the PAST 20 YEARS.

free papua movement bombed an airport in 2008 - not muslim
basque nationalists blew up a bomb at madrid airport in 2006 - not muslim
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam attacks Bandaranaike International Airport in 2001 - not muslim
3 ethiopians hijack Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 in 1996 - not muslim

but you go right on spewing your nonsense about how all terrorists attacks are done by muslim--i mean all plane terrorists attacks are done by muslims--i mean all terrorist attacks done recently were done by muslims--i mean... ummm... where you gonna move the goalposts now?


Maybe this wasn't part of the original discussion, but which of these were on American soil? Also, to all the posters pointing to Richard Reid, he does have a beard and he isn't lily-white. Those pointing to the woman--the explosives were planted in her luggage, which is not the same as a jihadist carrying out a suicide mission. The goalposts remain in the soil where they first were placed; you bring up exceptions that at best barely apply. I thought we were talking about planes, not airports. Richard Reid would at best have caromed off the upright in your game.

I thought this discussion was about travel restrictions on international flights with U.S. origin or termination points and domestic flights. The last time I flew from a foreign country, they had their own security and not the TSA. Somehow I doubt if a militant group wanted to blow up an airport that the TSA agents are going to stop it; it isn't their job.

I sure am glad all those posters who complain about children on flights don't have any of their own. I am glad their DNA won't be around in the next generation. When you have children of your own and become less selfish feel free to respond, otherwise you have nothing to contribute. I don't take my kids flying but I'm not going to shriek about how someone's baby inconveniences me except this one story.

One of the worst things that happened to me while flying was back in the late 80's when I was flying to Salt Lake City. A new mother changed her baby's poopy diaper on the seat across the aisle from me. The stench was incredible; it woke me from a deep sleep. Burining tires and dead fish in the summer smelled better than that baby's dookie.

The other worst thing that happened was when the guy sitting next to me died in mid-flight. No, he wasn't a terrorist, he was just old.
 
2009-12-27 01:20:53 PM
Kyosuke: Token black guy.

oh GOD that is so wrong .. WOW
*golf clap*
 
2009-12-27 01:28:23 PM
UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: This is the land of the free, home of the brave remember?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you're hilarious.

We gladly forgo rights, dignities, freedoms, and anything else we can willingly sign away in the name of being safe from TERRUH.

Home of the brave my ass.
 
2009-12-27 01:53:01 PM
Gyrfalcon: NeedleGuy: from one news link: Dr Mutallab is said to have warned the US authorities about his son's extreme views six months ago. Abdulmutallab was reportedly on a security watch list,

So the US authorities knew about this guy, he was on a security watch list and still was able to fly into the United States with no questions asked.

I guess you don't get much for the trillion dollars our government has spent on the War on TerrorTM these days.

BECAUSE HE GOT ON THE PLANE SOMEPLACE ELSE!!!

I don't know why that seems to be eluding everyone. US authorities can know a guy wants to murder the President; but that's not going to help if the assassin buys a ticket in Nigeria and gets on the plane in Lagos with a layover in Amsterdam. F*ck.


Given the info I've seen so far, I would not want to live in a world where the US government had enough power to have stopped this guy. Do you really want TSA security and employees at EVERY airport in the world?
 
2009-12-27 02:03:50 PM
 
2009-12-27 02:10:59 PM
Once again, the TSA and Homeland security prove they are utterly useless: even after this guy's father gies to the US embassy in Lagos and turns him in, he still gets on a flight bound for the United States while he's on a watch list. And since he's a citizen of Nigeria, I'm pretty sure he had to get an entry visa, which he got while being on a watch list.

So what's the reaction of these two useless agencies? Police their own procedures so that known terrorists don't get entry visas and board US airliners? Don't be silly, they treat the public like they're convicts and make flying already more unpleasant than it is. Thanks assholes.
 
2009-12-27 02:17:57 PM
Gyrfalcon: NeedleGuy: from one news link: Dr Mutallab is said to have warned the US authorities about his son's extreme views six months ago. Abdulmutallab was reportedly on a security watch list,

So the US authorities knew about this guy, he was on a security watch list and still was able to fly into the United States with no questions asked.

I guess you don't get much for the trillion dollars our government has spent on the War on TerrorTM these days.

BECAUSE HE GOT ON THE PLANE SOMEPLACE ELSE!!!

I don't know why that seems to be eluding everyone. US authorities can know a guy wants to murder the President; but that's not going to help if the assassin buys a ticket in Nigeria and gets on the plane in Lagos with a layover in Amsterdam. F*ck.


He still shoulda been caught: see, I'm pretty damn sure that if you're a Nigerian citizen flying into the U.S., you nned an entry visa. And if the embassy staff in Lago had been doing their job, he would not have gotten that visa.
 
2009-12-27 02:35:24 PM
Well, my next flight is from Atlanta to St. Petersburg, Russia in May. I hope by then some of this craziness will have died down. I drive if it is within 1000 miles and no oceans in the way. Over 1000 miles and no oceans, I think i'll borrow my cousin's plane and fly myself
 
2009-12-27 03:31:02 PM
moops: This is an outrage! We should boycott all Nigerian goods!

Nigeria actually exports something besides prices with huge bank accounts?
 
2009-12-27 03:41:56 PM
Floobergasted: moops: This is an outrage! We should boycott all Nigerian goods!

Nigeria actually exports something besides prices with huge bank accounts?


Oops. Princes. That'll teach me not to proof read.