Joe Francis.

Tits from a douchebag vs. taxes. I go for A), thanks.

Considering the guy is a towering pile of shiat ... I'm going with IRS.

The government f*cks up too much sh*t. They better destroy this man, and do it right.

They owe it to us.

Is there a way they can both lose?

chemical_angel: Considering the guy is a towering pile of shiat ... I'm going with IRS.

That's where you have it wrong. You see, on Fark, taxes are always evil. It doesn't matter what they pay for, it's evil. Just like red light cameras.

Dude, you do not mess with IRS.

Shvetz: chemical_angel: Considering the guy is a towering pile of shiat ... I'm going with IRS.

That's where you have it wrong. You see, on Fark, taxes are always evil. It doesn't matter what they pay for, it's evil. Just like red light cameras.

Roads are the devil!!111

cmunic8r99: i wasn't paying attention...

why do we hate Joe Francis?

Because he managed to accomplish what so many Farkers here have tried to do, but failed miserably- get drunk girls to show their boobs.

Tough one, but I'll choose the IRS this time.

Maybe the two of them will collapse into a singularity of fail.

/JF is a truly vile human being

Anyone else read the headline and think Joe Francis was Joe Franklin?

/what the hell do people have against Joe Franklin?
//except raping Sarah Silverman

cmunic8r99: why do we hate Joe Francis?

I've been wondering this myself.
It can't just be (as Yarnothin suggested) jealousy can it?

He was an idiot for the tax thing and the video concept is a little creepy, but I don't see where he's evil.

Red light cameras really are evil.

/They're death traps

backseatdriver: cmunic8r99: why do we hate Joe Francis?

I've been wondering this myself.
It can't just be (as Yarnothin suggested) jealousy can it?

He was an idiot for the tax thing and the video concept is a little creepy, but I don't see where he's evil.

I don't care about the vidoes. But given the staggering number of charges/accusations against the guy for things like drugs, intentionally using minors in the videos, assault, battery and even rape, it's kind of hard to have a lot of sympathy just because it does reach a point where you have to wonder if there is something to the accusations.

Root for a meteor to hit the courthouse while both sides are well represented.

backseatdriver: cmunic8r99: why do we hate Joe Francis?

I've been wondering this myself.
It can't just be (as Yarnothin suggested) jealousy can it?

He was an idiot for the tax thing and the video concept is a little creepy, but I don't see where he's evil.

Except for the fact that he's a) a rapist and b) a man who hits women. Yeah, he's a great guy.

The IRS cleans out wealthy tax cheats like Joe to pay for welfare *and* wars. So really, folks on both ends of the political spectrum have a reason to root for the government on this one.

B A: SharkTrager: backseatdriver: cmunic8r99: why do we hate Joe Francis?

I've been wondering this myself.
It can't just be (as Yarnothin suggested) jealousy can it?

He was an idiot for the tax thing and the video concept is a little creepy, but I don't see where he's evil.

I don't care about the vidoes. But given the staggering number of charges/accusations against the guy for things like drugs, intentionally using minors in the videos, assault, battery and even rape, it's kind of hard to have a lot of sympathy just because it does reach a point where you have to wonder if there is something to the accusations.

Slippery slope etc.
If the IRS is allowed to sieze his assetts sans true cause then it becomes a precedent and the honest citizen is next. The IRS has too much power already (The ONLY accuser in the US where you are guilty until proven innocent) for us to let them get more unreigned authority. It's time for the courts to reign them in & make them accountable to the citizenry.

Oh, I despise the IRS and its tactics, but for people to claim the dislike of Joe Francis is about jealousy tends to show someone is very uninformaed about the guy.

I cannot believe I'm saying this, but:

"Go, Joe, Go!"

Anyone else read the headline and think Joe Francis was Joe Franklin?

This. Whenever I see his name I think its Joe Franklin.

According to the newsletter my Republican congressman sends me, the money that the eeeeevil IRS confiscates from the proceeds of Joe Francis' drunk 17-year-old titty videos will go directly to funding giant public statues of vaginas that will corrupt our children and embarrass our grandmothers.

So genitally speaking, I'd say it's a wash.

/the word itself makes some men uncomfortable
//vagina

By the way, I just thought of a better brain-teaser. Speaking of people who are under investigation by just about every government agency known to man for mass douchebaggery, what if Joe Francis took his GGW roadshow to Phoenix? Who would you root for, Joe Francis or Joe Arpaio?

I know it's kind of implausible that Joe Arpaio would arrest Joe Francis for anything, since Francis is violent and white, but try to go with it.

semiotix: By the way, I just thought of a better brain-teaser. Speaking of people who are under investigation by just about every government agency known to man for mass douchebaggery, what if Joe Francis took his GGW roadshow to Phoenix? Who would you root for, Joe Francis or Joe Arpaio?

I know it's kind of implausible that Joe Arpaio would arrest Joe Francis for anything, since Francis is violent and white, but try to go with it.

That would be a better situation. Basically Joe probably would try to find an excuse to arrest Joe, and Joe would put Joe in pink underwear in a tent. But Joe has a lot of very good lawyers so he'd sue Joe. Unfortunately Joe also has the lawyers the county pays for, so the people of the county would get reamed, but they deserve it for electing Joe.

/Joe

B A:
Slippery slope etc.
If the IRS is allowed to sieze his assetts sans true cause then it becomes a precedent and the honest citizen is next. The IRS has too much power already (The ONLY accuser in the US where you are guilty until proven innocent) for us to let them get more unreigned authority. It's time for the courts to reign them in & make them accountable to the citizenry.

When you "go to court" with the IRS it's their own version of due process separate from the regular US legal system. Hearings are held in the IRS's own Court (Tax Court) where taxpayers are forbidden from using any precedents or rulings obtained by anyone else who prevailed in Tax Court before them. Most petitioners who are successful in Tax court will then have their case and all associated documents sealed by the Tax Court/IRS to prevent other petitioners from learning how to prevail using similar methods. For instance, the Church of Scientology prevailed and literally wiped the floor with the IRS's attorneys many years ago, and all documents related to the case were then immediately sealed.

If there is sufficient evidence of fraud or the misuse of IRS authority (corruption) put forth the petitioner can usually bypass Tax Court entirely or motion that their case be heard in a US District Court where "normal" due process and its protections are enjoyed.

Full disclosure: I deal with business taxes every day, and have had no contact with the case in question.

The likelyhood is that the lein in question was filed on the basis of an unpaid employment or excise tax. Nothing else gets the collection machinery working as fast as when people start dicking around with other peoples' money that they are supposed to have collected on behalf of the Treasury.

The other thing to remember is that the IRS is an executive branch agency. The IRS does not set tax rates, and does not set penalty rates and most particularly does not set the assertion criteria for penalties. Thank your congresscritters for those. There is a little wiggle room, as the recent 6070A debacle shows, but most everything that people get upset with the IRS over is Congress being stupid.

I predict that in October of 2011, you will see a spate of stories about how the IRS is imposing crushing new penalties on Small Businesses. This is because, for tax years beginning on or after January 1, 2010, Congress has raised the penalty for Failure to File an 1120S (showing zero tax) (This is the income return of a subchapter S corporation) to $195 per shareholder per month for a maximum of 12 months. Simple example: 2 shareholders, 4 months, $1,560.00. The same applies to partnerships, but there is a Revenue procedure that often allows relief for certain types of small partnerships.

B A:
Been to court. They couldn't prove I made the money & I, of course, could not prove I didn't. Guess who lost and who had to pay whom.

As the saying goes, 'you can't prove a negative'. The IRS uses this concept to their advantage because they are not held to the same legal standards (such as burden of proof) that a normal Court would impose.

That's why I call the IRS Tax Court "Cardassian Court" because the verdict seems to be decided ahead of time, and the hearing is more of an exercise of efficiently keeping up the public appearance that a Taxpayer can get a fair trial. Most people who go to Tax Court expect incorrectly that things will be handled like a regular court, and they soon leave with the experience and understanding that you never want to go to Tax Court if you have any other means of remedy at your disposal.

SharkTrager: Oh, I despise the IRS and its tactics, but for people to claim the dislike of Joe Francis is about jealousy tends to show someone is very uninformed about the guy.

THIS for me, other than the videos I had no idea what he's been up to. I always-always-always assume that allegations have to do with greed on someones part. For others, allegations == guilt.

/ Yes, I do in fact live under a rock.

we can hope that the Joe Francis anal rape tape becomes public.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local&id=3744721 (new window for STORY only. No vid link)

If everyone in the world could see Joe Francis taking a dildo up the butt at gunpoint that would be a splendid example of "Karma is a biatch"

RockIsDead: Francis has never stolen money from me.

He has if he's cheating on his taxes.

RockIsDead: cmunic8r99: i wasn't paying attention...

why do we hate Joe Francis?

Because his entire business model is based on hunting down young drunk girls and getting them to show their tits on camera before they sober up, without paying any of them for it? This lengthy article pretty much sums it up.

If Joe Francis can score a victory over anyone, I'd like for the loser in the contest to be the gov't.

We can privately, as citizens, decide how we want to crucify him afterward.

IRS.

Duh.

In the spirit of the season, I'm rooting for some sort of murder/suicide.

B A: The IRS has too much power already (The ONLY accuser in the US where you are guilty until proven innocent) for us to let them get more unreigned authority. It's time for the courts to reign them in & make them accountable to the citizenry.

I thought this held true for the DEA's policy on carrying large sums of cash as well. Or is that a tax issue as well?

/Foriegn to your nation.

SnakeMan: Shvetz: chemical_angel: Considering the guy is a towering pile of shiat ... I'm going with IRS.

That's where you have it wrong. You see, on Fark, taxes are always evil. It doesn't matter what they pay for, it's evil. Just like red light cameras.

Ah yes, just pretend your side doesn't have a strong following on Fark either. "You don't like your taxes paying for this? Well then, GET TEH FARK OUT OF SOCIETY, YOU ANARKKKIST!!11"

I can't recall EVER seeing anything like that. Whenever the issue of taxes comes up, it's either people making a LEGITIMATE argument for them (and rarely against), or people just claiming that the government is taking their money!

Nobody enjoys paying taxes, but people rarely acknowledge all the benefits of our tax dollars. Sure, there is wasteful government spending, but nobody ever defends it.

I`m not American, so it`s pretty easy to cheer for the IRS.

would you rather have police and a fire department or mediocre pornography from a misogynist douchebag