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2009-12-23 01:13:46 PM
* It's a slideshow
* It quickly goes from debunking myths to saying sometimes this isn't true to saying some guys have a theory that says a huge forest spanning a continent was just some people planting lots of trees
* It's full of the kind of information ignorant jackasses will parrot ad nauseum and think they disproved something which should be common sense

If I could vote -1 for this link multiple times I would. A pox on your house subby, and a double pox on your house troll-bait mod who greenlit this.
 
2009-12-23 01:16:51 PM
So you don't have to:

MYTH: Local food is always better
FACT: Local food is usually better

MYTH: Big farms are evil
FACT: Some big farms aren't evil

MYTH: Something about CFLs, incandescents and mercury
FACT: Something about CFLs, incandescents and mercury

MYTH: All invasive species are bad
FACT: Most invasive species are bad

MYTH: The rain forest is a natural phenomenon
FACT: Something about "rogue archaeologists"

MYTH: The more trees, the better
FACT: Some trees require lots of water

MYTH: A hybrid car is always the best choice
FACT: A hybrid car is usually the best choice
 
2009-12-23 01:19:25 PM
Scientists have known the rain forests are man-made for years.
Associated Press and other media just hide this fact.
The advanced civilizations from years ago cultivated the land.
All those forests could were planted by previous populations
North and South America could simply replace any deforestation.

If this information got out, it would harm the eco-business.
Saving the rainforests earns big bucks for greedy companies.

Some environmentalists need to come clean to the world.
All claims of "save this" & "save that" are just for profit.
No reason we can't just replant any forests that we use today.
This is obvious - replanting used-up trees *is* recycling.
All environmental hysteria is just created for money-grubbing.
 
2009-12-23 01:29:19 PM
Dr.Fey: Some environmentalists need to come clean to the world.
All claims of "save this" & "save that" are just for profit.


Yeah, because all those environmentalist wacko's toiling away in non-profit org's are really raking it in while powerful timber, mining and development industries somehow muddle through without their voices being heard.
 
2009-12-23 01:31:45 PM
The Amazon rainforest is NOT a man made creation. WTF?
 
2009-12-23 01:32:12 PM
ne2d: MYTH: The rain forest is a natural phenomenon
FACT: Something about "rogue archaeologists"


Actually, it's more like "someone once wrote an article about it, and then turned it into a book, and the idea is similar to saying that aliens helped create the nasca lines"
 
2009-12-23 01:32:55 PM
ne2d: MYTH: Something about CFLs, incandescents and mercury
FACT: Something about CFLs, incandescents and mercury

Compact florescent lights or CFLs require mercury to operate. The mercury gas contained within the tube gets excited when electricity is passed through it and emits UV light which excites the coating of phosphor lining the tube, generating light. Though manufacturers have been making steady progress on the amount of mercury required for CFL bulbs, most on the market still contain the deadly toxin. Because of this, it might be easy to favor the incandescent bulb which contains no mercury. But consider this: the source of most of America's electricity, burning coal, releases lots of mercury into the atmosphere. The mercury generated from the extra electricity needed over the lifetime of an incandescent bulb is far more than the amount found in your average CFL bulb.


Translation: CFLs have mercury in them, more than would be generated from the power saved by not using CFLs.

However, CFL mercury vapor is contained within the bulb and the bulbs can be disposed of safely & properly if (as the "author" says in #1) you "do your homework."
 
2009-12-23 01:34:26 PM
ne2d: So you don't have to

Oh, and anyone who wants to slog through the slideshow, this is actually a pretty close summary of what it says.
 
2009-12-23 01:34:27 PM
Re: Rainforest. You don't "debunk a myth" with a theory. See also the "Theory of Evolution".
 
2009-12-23 01:37:36 PM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Translation: CFLs have mercury in them, more than would be generated from the power saved by not using CFLs. but still less than is created using coal to power an incandescent bulb.

Unless I am way off base, I think you have it backwards.
 
2009-12-23 01:38:43 PM
...so it's actually less CO2-intensive for U.K. citizens to import lamb than to buy the local variety.

Except for, you know, transporting it from NZ to the UK.
 
2009-12-23 01:41:12 PM
vernonFL: The Amazon rainforest is NOT a man made creation. WTF?

Seriously. There is a reason this is a fringe idea. I wrote like 4 different paragraphs outlining all the reasons it's really stupid, but in the end, I'm just going to say it's really stupid.
 
2009-12-23 01:41:32 PM
Tastes Like Chicken: Unless I am way off base, I think you have it backwards.

Ah, yes. I'm just trying to keep everyone on their toes.

/Yeah, that's the ticket.
 
2009-12-23 01:42:26 PM
Hey wow, to demonstrate what an ignorant jackass parroting misinformation ad nauseum might look like, we have Dr.Fey. Thanks Dr.Fey.
 
2009-12-23 01:43:01 PM
ne2d: So you don't have to:

...

MYTH: Something about CFLs, incandescents and mercury
FACT: Something about CFLs, incandescents and mercury

...

MYTH: A hybrid car is always the best choice
FACT: A hybrid car is usually the best choice


I love the idea of you dumbing down an already dumbed down story. I mean, the "article" contains some stupid shiat but your two examples are actually profoundly dumber, since they don't represent the article or reality.
 
2009-12-23 01:43:36 PM
CitizenTed:
Receivers enter Able Timber Supplies & NZ Wholesale Timber Link (new window)
And it's not just foreign companies getting hurt:
Pacific Lumber Co. faces financial crisis Link (new window)

Forests grow easily, but companies can't cut lumber.
Old employees get laid-off because of environmental concerns.
Really important, those Spotted Owl nests and Amazon flowers.

X-boxes and Playstations aren't getting bought by those laid off.
Meanwhile, Greenpeace makes a killing in profits. Link (new window)
And here you are, claiming "non-profit orgs" are poor?
Seems you haven't done any research.
 
2009-12-23 01:50:34 PM
Tastes Like Chicken:
Really?
Only a fool has his eyes closed to the truth of the message.
Like you've done any research on this before attacking.
Like you'd know what "parroting misinformation" is.
Each person you call an "ignorant jackass" laughs at you.
Don't you think you should think twice before spouting off?

/Happy holidays to you...
/All the best.
/Rest well.
/Drink and be merry.
 
2009-12-23 01:51:10 PM
timmy_the_tooth: your two examples are actually profoundly dumber, since they don't represent the article or reality.

I am so sorry about that. I put a lot of time and effort into that post, and made every effort to accurately and concisely represent both the article and reality. I have apparently failed. I hope that farkers can find it in their hearts this Christmas season to forgive me.
 
2009-12-23 01:52:43 PM
ne2d: So you don't have to:

MYTH: Local food is always better
FACT: Local food is usually better

MYTH: Big farms are evil
FACT: Some big farms aren't evil

MYTH: Something about CFLs, incandescents and mercury
FACT: Something about CFLs, incandescents and mercury

MYTH: All invasive species are bad
FACT: Most invasive species are bad

MYTH: The rain forest is a natural phenomenon
FACT: Something about "rogue archaeologists"

MYTH: The more trees, the better
FACT: Some trees require lots of water

MYTH: A hybrid car is always the best choice
FACT: A hybrid car is usually the best choice


Hell, so you don't have to read the entire post:

Replace "always" with "usually" to debunk a myth without debunking it.
 
2009-12-23 01:54:57 PM
vernonFL: The Amazon rainforest is NOT a man made creation. WTF?

Of course it isn't. It was made by women. AMAZON women.
 
2009-12-23 02:01:55 PM
Big farms are also more likely to be visited by government inspectors, and there is something to be said for the efficiency gained from a large-scale operation.

Actually, I thought medium sized farms > small and large farms, including the metric of efficiency.
 
2009-12-23 02:04:46 PM
Snarfangel: AMAZON women.

From the moon?
 
2009-12-23 02:05:23 PM
Synopsis: "Whenever someone says 'all' are 'always,' there are probably a few exceptions. Also, listen to this real cool speculative myth about a huge tree farm in South America."
 
2009-12-23 02:19:54 PM
The conventional green wisdom on farms is smaller is better. We've been told repeatedly by passionate activists and persuasive literature that smaller, independent farms are preferable to those owned by giant corporations, but is that sentiment always true? Not always. Occasionally big farms are better than the little guy. Freelance journalist Tracie McMillan found that some workers prefer the benefits and consistency of a larger operation. Big farms are also more likely to be visited by government inspectors, and there is something to be said for the efficiency gained from a large-scale operation. We certainly need to support small farms, but we shouldn't dismiss all big farms as evil.

The universal opinion is that smaller farms are great, but a freelance journalist says that occasionally, a big farm is more environmentally sound than a small farm. I guess that settles that. Also, I like how TFA floated the idea of efficiency with nothing to back it up while neglecting to talk about the environmental impact and costs of shipping everything.
 
2009-12-23 02:29:31 PM
2.media.tumblr.com

I don't care if this is already green, I'm still voting against it
 
2009-12-23 02:30:38 PM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Snarfangel: AMAZON women.

From the moon?


www.songspeak.com
 
2009-12-23 02:52:33 PM
Dr.Fey

m2.wnymedia.net
 
2009-12-23 02:53:27 PM
CitizenTed: Dr.Fey: Some environmentalists need to come clean to the world.
All claims of "save this" & "save that" are just for profit.

Yeah, because all those environmentalist wacko's toiling away in non-profit org's are really raking it in while powerful timber, mining and development industries somehow muddle through without their voices being heard.


Those wackos just don't make a profit for the business. The individuals who run these companys can bring a lot of money but claim "not for profit" so that they can make you think they are somehow different from the other money grubbers.

/some non profits are truly out to help.
//even the ones that are probably have well paid staff.
 
2009-12-23 02:59:30 PM
ne2d: I hope that farkers can find it in their hearts this Christmas season to forgive me.

Not a chance. You've ruined Christmas.

I'm going to burn all the gifts I bought and cancel the trip I had planned with my wife.
 
2009-12-23 03:42:32 PM
benlonghair: ...so it's actually less CO2-intensive for U.K. citizens to import lamb than to buy the local variety.

Except for, you know, transporting it from NZ to the UK.



Don't you know? it's delivered via sailboats!
 
2009-12-23 03:44:10 PM
What is this?

In 2003, writer Charles C. Mann wrote an article in The Atlantic (later to be turned into a book) that posited a startling idea - that the Amazon rain forest, far from being a natural phenomenon, was a purposefully engineered tree farm

And that debunks the "myth" that the rain forest is a natural phenomenon? uh.. ok...
 
2009-12-23 03:46:09 PM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: However, CFL mercury vapor is contained within the bulb and the bulbs can be disposed of safely & properly if (as the "author" says in #1) you "do your homework."

The mercury is also recycled (when the bulbs are disposed of properly), so the mercury isn't released into the environment.
 
2009-12-23 03:47:17 PM
[troll detected]
 
2009-12-23 03:47:32 PM
It's possible that sometimes it just happens that debunked myths might just maybe have a small chance of possibly being true.
 
2009-12-23 03:47:43 PM
benlonghair: ...so it's actually less CO2-intensive for U.K. citizens to import lamb than to buy the local variety.

Except for, you know, transporting it from NZ to the UK.


You missed the point. The idea is that, EVEN INCLUDING the transportation costs, there is less of a CO2 impact from New Zealand-raised and shipped lamb than there is for domestic lamb (in Britain).

It's the same idea behind why buying a Prius doesn't provide 100% of the benefit of reduced gas usage. You have to factor in things like the battery, the fact that you're buying a new car and not a used one and thus all the energy put into the manufacturing, etc... it's probably still a net benefit, but it's not AS good as the MPH would have you believe.
 
2009-12-23 03:48:29 PM
Myth: "enviroment"
Reality: "environment"
 
2009-12-23 03:48:36 PM

Forests grow easily, but companies can't cut lumber.
Old employees get laid-off because of environmental concerns.
Really important, those Spotted Owl nests and Amazon flowers.


Forests grow easily? Over how many millions of years?

Difficulty: Tree Farm != Forest.

Pacific Lumber loved to clear cut in the 90's. Reap what they sow?

But then you'd have to know ecology to understand that. And ecology scientists in labs are "money grubbers", correct?
 
2009-12-23 03:48:45 PM
schattenteufel: benlonghair: ...so it's actually less CO2-intensive for U.K. citizens to import lamb than to buy the local variety.

Except for, you know, transporting it from NZ to the UK.


Don't you know? it's delivered via sailboats!


I thought they loaded it onto whales.
 
2009-12-23 03:49:05 PM
Anyone have a picture of what a "rogue archaeologist" may look like?

I'm too lazy to look....
 
2009-12-23 03:49:21 PM
metaomni: benlonghair: ...so it's actually less CO2-intensive for U.K. citizens to import lamb than to buy the local variety.

Except for, you know, transporting it from NZ to the UK.

You missed the point. The idea is that, EVEN INCLUDING the transportation costs, there is less of a CO2 impact from New Zealand-raised and shipped lamb than there is for domestic lamb (in Britain).

It's the same idea behind why buying a Prius doesn't provide 100% of the benefit of reduced gas usage. You have to factor in things like the battery, the fact that you're buying a new car and not a used one and thus all the energy put into the manufacturing, etc... it's probably still a net benefit, but it's not AS good as the MPH would have you believe.


Yeah, the list seemed like it was sane at times too..
 
2009-12-23 03:49:50 PM
Lineman7: Anyone have a picture of what a "rogue archaeologist" may look like?

I'm too lazy to look....


www.solarnavigator.net
 
2009-12-23 03:50:25 PM
Two questions:
Did someone get payed to write this drivel?
How can I cash in?
 
2009-12-23 03:50:43 PM
Lineman7: Anyone have a picture of what a "rogue archaeologist" may look like?

[Insert Indiana Jones pic]
 
2009-12-23 03:50:50 PM
Snarfangel: vernonFL: The Amazon rainforest is NOT a man made creation. WTF?

Of course it isn't. It was made by women. AMAZON women.


Not amused:
i47.tinypic.com
 
2009-12-23 03:51:07 PM
joshthewaster: /some non profits are truly out to help.
//even the ones that are probably have well paid staff.


and of those, most of them are probably trying to overthrow democratically-elected governments, or are probably trolling fark forums to track down people who say bad things about them.

Pulling an anecdote out of your ass can be fun!
 
2009-12-23 03:52:02 PM
Dr.Fey: Tastes Like Chicken:
Really?
Only a fool has his eyes closed to the truth of the message.
Like you've done any research on this before attacking.
Like you'd know what "parroting misinformation" is.
Each person you call an "ignorant jackass" laughs at you.
Don't you think you should think twice before spouting off?

/Happy holidays to you...
/All the best.
/Rest well.
/Drink and be merry.


cdn0.knowyourmeme.com

/Link hot, like your streak.
 
2009-12-23 03:52:32 PM
vernonFL: The Amazon rainforest is NOT a man made creation. WTF?

We built this forest, we built this forest on rock and roll!
 
2009-12-23 03:52:35 PM
Most of that was eh, but the rain-forest thing? What kind of crazy was THAT?

Wacky. Is this the new thing the right wing is going to try to insert into environmental debate now? The rain-forest was planted by brown pre-columbian heathens, so it's ok that it gets cut down!
 
2009-12-23 03:52:38 PM
whatsupchuck: Myth: "enviroment"
Reality: "environment"


usually
 
2009-12-23 03:53:06 PM
"the rain forest is a result of hundreds of years of fruit and nut tree cultivation by farmers. If we planted it once, that would mean we could plant it again."

I heard something more stupid and ridiculous once, but I can't remember what it was.
 
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