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(BBR)   After suing Verizon, losing, hiring Luke Wilson, bragging about being popular, blaming users, blaming Apple, and generally doing everything but improve their network, AT&T now to consider moving to WiFi   (broadbandreports.com) divider line 61
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2009-12-23 01:51:25 PM
Part of the problem is that the iPhone just works. My wife uses a lot more data than I do, and only because she's not apt to go looking for a wireless network.

Not to mention that I've scared her off joining free wireless networks because they're insecure, and the iPhone doesn't have a very good way to type in long, secure WPA2 keys.
 
2009-12-23 02:23:03 PM
The Icelander: Not to mention that I've scared her off joining free wireless networks because they're insecure, and the iPhone doesn't have a very good way to type in long, secure WPA2 keys.

Generally the insecurity of a free wireless network is the concern of the owner of the network, not those who piggy-back on it. But if you're concerned about someone sniffing your packets, welcome to the Internet.
 
2009-12-23 02:42:33 PM
The iPhone really is a sweet little device, but the problem is that Luke Wilson's face has gotten really, really fat.
 
2009-12-23 04:36:33 PM
impaler: Generally the insecurity of a free wireless network is the concern of the owner of the network, not those who piggy-back on it. But if you're concerned about someone sniffing your packets, welcome to the Internet.

Free wireless networks are fat targets for people wanting to do identity theft. There's even exploits that can allow someone to read SSL connections on open wifi networks, so nothing is safe.
 
2009-12-23 04:38:49 PM
impaler: The Icelander: Not to mention that I've scared her off joining free wireless networks because they're insecure, and the iPhone doesn't have a very good way to type in long, secure WPA2 keys.

Generally the insecurity of a free wireless network is the concern of the owner of the network, not those who piggy-back on it. But if you're concerned about someone sniffing your packets, welcome to the Internet.


/That
 
2009-12-23 04:39:26 PM
luke wilson lying day in and day out is tiresome...but effective for idiots
 
2009-12-23 04:45:22 PM
there is an AT&T ad on fark right now =)
 
2009-12-23 04:47:52 PM
Considers Suggests that you consider using WiFi instead.

FTFS
 
2009-12-23 04:50:04 PM
seriously, the only time my phone (att) has not had a connection and my wife (verizon) has, we were 65 miles out of town, camping in the forest, and even though it told her she had 4 bars, the connection was crap. you know, places where you dont WANT a connection.

(also, net on verizon may be "3g" but its slow as crap)
 
2009-12-23 04:51:00 PM
t0ksik: there is an AT&T ad on fark right now =)

suzieqq.files.wordpress.com
 
2009-12-23 04:51:12 PM
If I was Apple, I'd be crying foul over AT&T's pathetic excuse of a network and drop their ill-advised exclusivity contract...then take the Iphone over to Verizon to latch on to another 80 million or so potential customers.

I for one will buy the Iphone the DAY it's available for Verizon.
 
2009-12-23 04:53:22 PM
impaler: Generally the insecurity of a free wireless network is the concern of the owner of the network, not those who piggy-back on it. But if you're concerned about someone sniffing your packets, welcome to the Internet.

Uhm... no.

Both parties should be concerned. The last thing I need is someone getting the opportunity to go after my wireless device (regardless of whether or not it has the appropriate level of protection such as a FW and AV, which the iPhone and most mobile devices do not). You'd be amazed as some of the crazy stuff you can do to an unprotected phone, not to mention getting access to someone's e-mails, files, personal info, etc. (there's even a nifty way to clone certain phones by stealing the required data via WiFi or BT).

From the perspective of the person who owns the access point, you have a whole different host of issues.

/This is also a good reason to have half-decent security for your phone if possible, or to just turn off BT and WiFi when you're not planning on using such features.
 
2009-12-23 04:55:20 PM
upmich: I for one will buy the Iphone the DAY it's available for Verizon.

www.apakistannews.com
They have it, call it a "Droid"

/image is hotlinked via iphone
 
2009-12-23 04:55:32 PM
The Icelander: There's even exploits that can allow someone to read SSL connections on open wifi networks, so nothing is safe.

SSL connections are no more breakable in an wifi environment than a wired one.
 
2009-12-23 04:59:04 PM
My Roku box piggy backs off my neighbors Belkin router because his router is putting out a much stronger signal than my 2wire on max
/Don't worry he is cool with it as long as I fix his PC's for free
 
2009-12-23 04:59:44 PM
impaler: SSL connections are no more breakable in an wifi environment than a wired one.

Steve Gibson says you're wrong. (^)
 
2009-12-23 05:03:46 PM
The Icelander: impaler: Generally the insecurity of a free wireless network is the concern of the owner of the network, not those who piggy-back on it. But if you're concerned about someone sniffing your packets, welcome to the Internet.

Free wireless networks are fat targets for people wanting to do identity theft. There's even exploits that can allow someone to read SSL connections on open wifi networks, so nothing is safe.


This! There was a hotspot around here at a popular coffee-shop that had dudes involved with organized crime phishing with their own hotspot setup to look like the legit coffe-shop's SSID. When users on that counterfeit network directed their browser to a number of popular websites the URLs resolved to phishing sites hosted by the crooks. They were able to gather bank info and corporate logins from a public that's obliviously unaware.
 
2009-12-23 05:04:37 PM
The Icelander: iPhone doesn't have a very good way to type in long, secure WPA2 keys.

Funny, my home wifi network is secured by WPA2 and I've never had this problem with my iPhone.
Unless by "long, secure WPA2 keys" you mean simply typing in the wifi password on the touchscreen keypad. Really, it's no more difficult that typing in my totalfark login. So I guess she doesn't use fark either because of that damned "long, secure HTTP AUTH thingy". Or email because of that damn "long, secure Authenticated POP" ... or ... wait, this is fark. You don't have a wife.

Wow you got me so that's a 10/10 you sly troll you.
 
2009-12-23 05:08:59 PM
The Icelander: impaler: SSL connections are no more breakable in an wifi environment than a wired one.

Steve Gibson says you're wrong. (^)


Actually he says exactly what I just said:
Now, this doesn't have to be in a caf with WiFi. It could be in a hotel with a bad employee who's able to go into the closet where the router is and plug their computer in, in which case they're able to do this with every employee, I mean every guest in the hotel who's using the hotel's network. So there are all kinds of other scenarios than just the open WiFi.

Man in the middle doesn't require WiFi, which is exactly what I just said.
 
2009-12-23 05:10:24 PM
I currently use the HTC Touch Pro on Verizon, and like it.

However, I've been considering going with the Droid or iPhone because I dropped it on a trip a month or so ago and cracked the screen.

I had AT&T and dealt with their crappy 3G coverage before the iPhone was even out...so the only way I would go to the iPhone now is if it was on another network. Sorry AT&T, but those maps where you DON'T do coverage in 3G don't lie, no matter how much Luke Wilson you throw at us. Looks like I'll be going with the droid.
 
2009-12-23 05:18:34 PM
I'm with AT&T. Honestly, I haven't had any problems with them. I guess I'm lucky.

/Still hate them for their stance on Net Neutrality
 
2009-12-23 05:23:44 PM
De la Vega's a tool. Given just how much money AT&T has raked in as a result of the iPhone, and how much time they've had to erect towers & expand their 3G network capability, I'm surprised as hell that their 3G network is still "overworked," never mind that even their best estimates indicate 3G customers will have to wait until 2011 or so before they will get the basic performance touted by AT&T.

Oh, and Luke Wilson flipping postcards & hiding under umbrellas? Really? That was the best you could do?
 
2009-12-23 05:31:15 PM
upmich: If I was Apple, I'd be crying foul over AT&T's pathetic excuse of a network and drop their ill-advised exclusivity contract...then take the Iphone over to Verizon to latch on to another 80 million or so potential customers.

I for one will buy the Iphone the DAY it's available for Verizon.


it wont. the iphone would be worthless on cdma half its features wouldnt work correctly, and verizon will charge you an extra ten bucks a month for vz navigator to make the gps work.
 
2009-12-23 05:47:39 PM
AT&T works really well when I move my SIM card from my 3Gs (work phone) to my Milestone. I think the iPhone has some network-handoff issues. None of my other 3G phones are as bad.
 
2009-12-23 05:51:05 PM
Luke Wilson is honored to be an AT&T customer.
 
2009-12-23 05:56:13 PM
stvdallas: I currently use the HTC Touch Pro on Verizon, and like it.

However, I've been considering going with the Droid or iPhone because I dropped it on a trip a month or so ago and cracked the screen.

I had AT&T and dealt with their crappy 3G coverage before the iPhone was even out...so the only way I would go to the iPhone now is if it was on another network. Sorry AT&T, but those maps where you DON'T do coverage in 3G don't lie, no matter how much Luke Wilson you throw at us. Looks like I'll be going with the droid.


I picked up a Droid Eris a couple of days ago for $99 (+ 2 year contract). With it, I got my wife one. It was buy 1 get 1 free. The thing is absolutely amazing.
 
2009-12-23 06:05:39 PM
My dream phone would be the HTC HD2 hardware, with Droid OS, on Sprint's network.

Yeah, I know, never happen.

My nightmare would be something made by Samsung running WinMo on AT&T. It might as well just be covered in turd at that point.
 
2009-12-23 06:06:02 PM
If you are using AT&T for "fill in the blank"

You're doing it wrong!!

/former customer.
 
2009-12-23 06:14:01 PM
All right, American Farkers, I'm fed up. Yes. Fed. Up. Fed up about this "atampat" you speak of. You know what? Summon dittybopper; ask him (and the other hams around these parts) to explain to you something about getting internet connections through radiowaves.

/partially kidding and partially drunk as fark
//whatever, I hope it works, hehheh
///big antennas on big cars, you know?
 
2009-12-23 06:16:19 PM
Fark AT&T.

use VOIP Internet phone and pay ~10 to 15 bucks/month for local and long distance.

www.callcentric.com
 
2009-12-23 06:18:32 PM
Linux_Yes: Fark AT&T.

use VOIP Internet phone and pay ~10 to 15 bucks/month for local and long distance.

www.callcentric.com


Or, I dunno, use Skype and get the same shiat for around $20/year.
 
2009-12-23 06:23:07 PM
flexflint: All right, American Farkers, I'm fed up. Yes. Fed. Up. Fed up about this "atampat" you speak of. You know what? Summon dittybopper; ask him (and the other hams around these parts) to explain to you something about getting internet connections through radiowaves.

/partially kidding and partially drunk as fark
//whatever, I hope it works, hehheh
///big antennas on big cars, you know?


Big trucks, big dogs, funk flex, holla at cha boi!!!

/6ft whip ftw
//the tv boomerrang antenna
///and the directv sat-go
 
2009-12-23 06:36:09 PM
www.lukewilsonfans.com
Huh... it says on my chart that I'm farked up. Ah, I talk like a fag, and my shiat's all retarded. I might have high cholesterol, too... Well, I just wanted to say that you should get AT&T, because it has electrolytes, and it's what cell phones crave.
 
2009-12-23 07:01:53 PM
see if anyone can figure THIS one out.

currently i have an iPhone, last phone was the free Razor they gave me, before that a free Sony they gave me. never had any problems with AT&T's coverage, being in the heavily blue area of southern california(even listened to a hockey game over 3g on iHeart Radio app all the way to Vegas last spring). so all this "coverage" nonsens doesn't really matter one flying fark to me(and customer service has never been an issue for me at Cingular or ATT, but Verizon's customer service can eat my shiat, and that's why i ditched them for my landline/isp).

but there's one thing that is incredibly strange...

i have ONE friend on Verizon(everyone else is either ATT, sprint or even Virgin mobile, know nobody on TM any longer)... if i have my bluetooth earpiece on when i call this friend, or when she calls me, i can hear her perfectly fine in the earpiece, but she can't hear me. on the iPhone, i can hit the audio source button and change it to the iphone or speakerphone(or earbuds if they're connected) and she can hear me just fine. if i select back to the BT, she stops hearing me. the ONLY way i can talk to her on bluetooth, is by shutting off the bluetooth earpiece, and turning it back on. then, when the earpiece reconnects, it takes over the call and everything is just fine.

this happened when i had my Razor, it happened on my Sony, it happened with 2 different motorola earpieces, a Jabra and a plantronics(borrowed the plantronics for testing purposes) and it ONLY happens with this one friend on Verizon. none of the sprint, other ATT or Virgin mobile people. on the oldr phones, since they didn't have an "audio source" option, i had to turn off the earpiece just to continue the call.

it has had me and several other people quite baffled for years...
 
2009-12-23 07:05:13 PM
pelzo63: see if anyone can figure THIS one out.

Make sure you have the most current iPhone OS update. If that doesn't work, I dunno... the iPhone has been known to have quite a few bluetooth problems.
 
2009-12-23 07:13:00 PM
RoxtarRyan: pelzo63: see if anyone can figure THIS one out.

Make sure you have the most current iPhone OS update. If that doesn't work, I dunno... the iPhone has been known to have quite a few bluetooth problems.


But..but..but... It just works?
 
2009-12-23 07:15:56 PM
WALMART.saves: RoxtarRyan: pelzo63: see if anyone can figure THIS one out.

Make sure you have the most current iPhone OS update. If that doesn't work, I dunno... the iPhone has been known to have quite a few bluetooth problems.

But..but..but... It just works?


Pfft.. beats me. Not to be mean to the owners or anything, but I wasn't stupid enough to get anything Apple running on anything AT&T. That is just a double-dose of fail right there.
 
2009-12-23 07:38:45 PM
mandrsn1: AT&T works really well when I move my SIM card from my 3Gs (work phone) to my Milestone. I think the iPhone has some network-handoff issues. None of my other 3G phones are as bad.

Shhhhh you might get blasted saying that anywhere other than Fark
 
2009-12-23 07:53:52 PM
The Icelander: impaler: SSL connections are no more breakable in an wifi environment than a wired one.

Steve Gibson says you're wrong. (^)


Yikes.

As I read through that (tl;dr, at the moment) do you know what is being done to counteract that vulnerability since it's a flaw in the protocol itself?
 
2009-12-23 08:09:54 PM
upmich: If I was Apple, I'd be crying foul over AT&T's pathetic excuse of a network and drop their ill-advised exclusivity contract...then take the Iphone over to Verizon to latch on to another 80 million or so potential customers.

I for one will buy the Iphone the DAY it's available for Verizon.


I used to say that too until I priced a data plan from Verizon for a friend.

It's about $40 a month more than other carriers. For that price I better get 4G.
 
2009-12-23 08:14:13 PM
pelzo63: this happened when i had my Razor, it happened on my Sony, it happened with 2 different motorola earpieces, a Jabra and a plantronics(borrowed the plantronics for testing purposes) and it ONLY happens with this one friend on Verizon. none of the sprint, other ATT or Virgin mobile people. on the oldr phones, since they didn't have an "audio source" option, i had to turn off the earpiece just to continue the call.

RoxtarRyan: Make sure you have the most current iPhone OS update. If that doesn't work, I dunno... the iPhone has been known to have quite a few bluetooth problems.

img1.fark.net
 
2009-12-23 08:19:48 PM
Winktologist: img1.fark.net

How so? I'm not aware if Apple does OTA updates or not, and there have been quite a few updates to the iPhone that have changed its functionality.

Hell, damn near most smart phones update their OS periodically. Where exactly is the fail in that?
 
2009-12-23 08:50:52 PM
The Icelander: and the iPhone doesn't have a very good way to type in long, secure WPA2 keys.

Do you mean something other than the keyboard?
 
2009-12-23 08:57:16 PM
Moffett, who traditionally argues that network upgrades are stupid (because he'd prefer that money go into his and his clients' pockets) offers up this nugget of wisdom we'll leave you with this morning: "It's reasonable to think that heavy users are worth zero." Surely Moffett and his clients won't mind then when these customers, which he admits will soon become commonplace, flee to other carriers willing to spend more money upgrading the network.

This seems to be the new business model for everyone from banks & credit cards, airlines, insurance companies... just give us your money - oh yeah, we forgot to tell you (except in really tiny print in totally incomprehensible language) you get nothing in return. Besides, when everyone starts doing this, who else are you going to buy from?
 
2009-12-23 09:03:03 PM
VictorOfBorge: Besides, when everyone starts doing this, who else are you going to buy from?

Nobody - that's kind of the point. Walk away until business owners figure out that if there's no service, then there's no money.
 
2009-12-23 09:03:48 PM
bhandler: luke wilson lying day in and day out is tiresome...but effective for idiots

Hey, shut up. That man can talk to plants.
 
2009-12-23 09:17:12 PM
came for fat luke wilson comments and to say Droid rules,
and such as
 
2009-12-23 09:36:11 PM
Their network is fine, the iphone and its internal antenna is what sucks, their big crash the network experiment didnt even make a dent.
 
2009-12-23 09:44:12 PM
I've noticed, since Fat Luke Wilson has been doing those ads, I haven't seen much of Owen. Anyone else notice that?

/If Owen's been eaten by him, Ben Stiller's not that far behind.
//Get Vince Vaughn in there, ole Luke'll be set for the winter.
 
2009-12-23 10:35:33 PM
The Icelander: impaler: SSL connections are no more breakable in an wifi environment than a wired one.

Steve Gibson says you're wrong. (^)


I knew you were a Security Now! listener, I could just tell.
 
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