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(Chicago Breaking News)   Principal gets sex change, parents freak, kids don't care.   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 49
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2001-09-21 01:12:19 PM  
"Dr. Reed just fixed something that was broken," Hand said.


Leave it to a child to be astute while the parents get all hinky.
 
2001-09-21 01:17:55 PM  
Dunnski - my point of view exactly. The students are the ones who are the one that this affects the most. The parents are just afraid that their children will contract the disease or something.

Reminds of the Simpsons episode, where Homer is worried that Bart is becoming gay. He makes many references to the idea that bart is contracting homsexuality, acting like it is a virus or something. Something tells me that these parents are kind of like that.
 
2001-09-21 01:20:43 PM  
Kinda be odd if a teacher of mine, or principal, had a sex change, but I don't really care. What the hell kind of message are the parents trying to send? It's not OK to change? (Even if that is a big change)
 
2001-09-21 01:35:44 PM  
Vile rhetoric, vicious personal attacks, name calling, troll-baiting, pompous self rightousness, and disinterested apathy.

I think that about covers the rest of these posts.
 
2001-09-21 01:38:24 PM  
really djbutton everything looks fine to me...
 
2001-09-21 01:39:45 PM  
I have to admit I haven't been in school for a few years here, but I think my reaction would be the same as the kid's reactions here. So what? Can she still do her job well, keep things running smoothly, keep the kids in her school educated, and learning, and keep the peace in her school? If so, then who the fark cares if she used to have a johnson or not?
 
2001-09-21 01:47:03 PM  
Now I'm ignorant about this, so that's why I'm asking.

Is it normal for the youngest generation (or the majority) to be more tolerant than the previous generations?

I understand people better than generations.
 
2001-09-21 01:52:01 PM  
Flux, oh yeah, these threads always start out with "oooh, lets love and hug her" and end up with "you nazi pig!", but hopefully we can all just get along.
 
2001-09-21 01:52:16 PM  
Parents are anxiously groping for a way to explain sexuality to their poor, vulnerable kids.

Kids are speculating on how much it hurts to do it up the ass.

Seriously. This is the 21st century.
 
2001-09-21 01:54:45 PM  
What all the parents are missing here is an excellent opportunity to further discipline their children.

Child: Mommy, what happened to Principal Reed's weewee?
Mother: It was cut off because he didn't eat all of his vegetables.

See??
 
2001-09-21 01:57:15 PM  
Being a principal these days takes balls.... WHOOPS! sorry 'bout that.
 
2001-09-21 02:02:53 PM  
DJButton, I have the disinterested apathy covered...
 
2001-09-21 02:31:43 PM  
Male/Female/Thing - does it matter as long as the person is a good principal and the kids like him/her/it?
 
2001-09-21 02:36:48 PM  
isn't there some proverb, out of the mouth of babes comes the truth or something like that?
 
2001-09-21 02:51:00 PM  
Haven't we all learned out lesson from that great movie "Tootsie"
 
2001-09-21 03:07:18 PM  
Yes. Just dress the part, get psychiatric help and avoid surgical mutilation. Heheheh!

Or howabout "don't cut, don't tell". Heehee.

Howabout being tolerant of other people who are not at ease with surgical mutilation? How about being tolerant of making other changes, predicated by such a dramatic decision and action. How about being tolerant of the notion that not everyone is going to admire, respect or adore you, whatever you do...of the the daft notion that the world revolves around you alone and that everything you do or say must be "tolerated". How about tolerance for other (even dissenting) opinions and thoughts, not just "diversity" of gender and/or race.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
 
2001-09-21 03:14:41 PM  
wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!
 
2001-09-21 03:16:40 PM  
example #643 of why kids are smart than "grown-ups".

I lobby we change the term from "grown-up" to "tainted"
 
2001-09-21 03:17:58 PM  
I don't even see the problem. It's not like the principal is pulling his/her pants down for all the kids to see. Probably the only thing having a negative impact on the kids' education is their parents trying to cause trouble with the administrators.

I wonder how this all came out anyway? Was the doctor who performed the operation going around telling everyone in town about it?
 
2001-09-21 03:21:54 PM  
Blackvampyr: Is it normal for the youngest generation (or the majority) to be more tolerant than the previous generations?

Sure seems that way to me. The parents are the ones who want to protect their kiddies from all of these "bad influences", while the kids don't really give a fark if their principal (or anyone else, for that matter) does something like this. If you ask me, I think the parents are a much worse influence than they claim the principal to be. Teaching intolerance and close-mindedness (is that a word? well, it is now) is not something I plan on doing when I have kids.
 
2001-09-21 03:24:22 PM  
On the other hand, consider that if a child's behavior or actions are deemed disruptive to the class, they are removed. It has nothing to do with whether the child is good, bad, black, white, girl or boy or....the behavior causes a loss of focus for the rest of the class.

Now use the same rationale for the behavior of the principal. It's not a question of gender, good or bad, blah, blah. It's a behavior/action that results in a loss of focus.

Is the distraction worth it to so many? And don't they have a right to suggest that is so?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

So?
 
2001-09-21 03:29:27 PM  
Is removing a disruptive child from a class a display of "intolerance"?
 
2001-09-21 03:35:53 PM  
Walljasper Do you really consider a sex change operation "surgical mutilation"? Aside for that, I can't make head or tails of what you're saying....are you for kicking her out, or can she stay? The only people she seems to be bothering is the parents...
 
2001-09-21 03:42:44 PM  
i don't think we ever really had to pay any attention to the principal in grade school. she showed up when we had an assembly, and then we all ignored her. she could have become a man and i doubt many of us would have even noticed. anyway, the kids don't give a shiat, so why should the parents?
 
2001-09-21 03:46:36 PM  

Maybe the principal should have had more forethought, and had a more advanced operation... where due to the previously developed "Mr. Potato head and his bucket of parts" technology, he/she could be male during school hours and female after hours.

Maybe people will be more tolerant by the time I've saved up the cash for my "Zaphod Beeblebrox" operation, because I certainly wouldn't want to lose my job over it.

 
2001-09-21 03:50:34 PM  
Pickle - would that be for a second head and a third arm?
 
2001-09-21 03:58:39 PM  
Ah the old Adaclittome surgery that all of Europe is talking about.
 
2001-09-21 04:13:23 PM  
these are also probably the parents that buy books for their kids when they have questions about sexuality instead of actually taking the time and "courage" to explain it.
 
2001-09-21 04:14:17 PM  
Rbep, read the article. S/he left school as a male at the end of last year and returned as a female. Kind of obvious what happened.

Kids don't have a problem or even notice any small or large change until sub-adult, oops I mean "some adult" makes a fuss.
 
2001-09-21 04:14:18 PM  
What did they do with the penis? Do they save it for women who change into guys? Do they carve trees out of it?
Do they sell it to Jimmy Dean's?

Do sex-change people have "phantom" erections? Or phantom sweaty balls? Or phantom jock itch? That would suck.
 
2001-09-21 04:47:44 PM  
Blackvampyr:would that be for a second head and a third arm?

Yup.

 
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2001-09-21 05:01:04 PM  
just a quick question/thought.
as far as I know, to date, nobody has really performed a "sex" change. only the "apendage" is changed. when this principal dies and dna tests are performed, it will show the same sex they were born with. I'm not suggesting that what he/she chooses to do is right or wrong, but the terminology is wrong. unless they have developed some new surgery, he/she has not really had a "sex" change, only a change of appearance.
 
2001-09-21 05:03:11 PM  
Neonjesus: Sex change operations are surgical procedures. Undergoing such a procedure involves the mutilation of the existing genitalia.

Thus a sex change IS a surgical mutilation.
 
2001-09-21 05:13:04 PM  
Walljasper: I don't really see the arguement that the teacher now being a chick instead of a dude is disrupting the education of the children. By the sound of the article, none of the kids at the school really give a fark. It is only the parents who are making a big deal about this and it would be the parents who are causing a disruption. Once they shut the hell up everything should go back to the way it was before, no big deal.

As for it being surgical mutilation... while the description of the surgery really hits my squick factor it is really no more mutilative than rhinoplasti, breast augmentation, or lipo-suction.
 
2001-09-21 05:42:13 PM  
Rbcp?!?!? are you by any chance "red box chilipepper"? if you are... pheww i gotta talk to you.... you are my role model...
 
2001-09-21 05:49:01 PM  
Code: points well-taken. However, it seems others closer to the situation do have concerns re: disruption. Which beg the questions: Is removing a disruptive child from a class a display of "intolerance"? Is removing any disruptive source from the classroom a display of "intolerance"?
 
2001-09-21 05:51:07 PM  
PS. Though you consider the procedure "no more mutilative than rhinoplasty" etc. it IS none the less, a surgical mutilation.
 
2001-09-21 06:08:18 PM  
This is like an episode of "South Park": Something controversial happens that causes the parents to flip out, and the kids don't really care, even if their parents say they're affected by it.
 
2001-09-21 06:33:14 PM  
Drmortis, that is extremely funny. Eat your vegetables, indeed!
 
2001-09-21 06:45:39 PM  
Who says the "kids don't care"? 'Sounds like a PC mantra to me. What kid really comprehends or dares run the PC gauntlet, likely being labeled as "intolerant", blah,blah, blah? Giuve me a farkin' break.

Most kids in public schools are under tremendous PC peer (and teacher) pressure. Plus they ARE KIDS, not cartoon characters like Cartman and Kenny.

Do you really think they are going to step up to the dais and argue/articulate the pros and cons of sex reassignments? They "don't care"? Ca-ca!

They ARE CHILDREN.

Isn't anyone else sick to death of the t.v.-inspired and insipidly-remouthed notion that kids are inherently "smart" and that adults are just stupid. Don't come to me with that daft angle. It's pure bullshiat.
 
2001-09-21 07:09:13 PM  
"Isn't anyone else sick to death of the t.v.-inspired and insipidly-remouthed notion that kids are inherently "smart" and that adults are just stupid. Don't come to me with that daft angle. It's pure bullshiat."

Perhaps you shouldn't provide them with so much ammunition then, Walljasper. You're making their case brilliantly.
 
2001-09-21 07:20:29 PM  
I think it is better this way. If he/she/it stayed male the mental impact could have compelled him to molest little boys.
 
2001-09-21 07:49:11 PM  
I dunno, a sex change can't be too bad I mean at least I'd have some boobies to play with all the time....
 
2001-09-21 07:58:29 PM  
Principal:"Relax folks,it was a bet me and my hunting buddies in the log cabin made!I'll go back as soon as they pay up!Umm,you can go back,right,Surgeon Person?"

Surgeon Person:"Possibly,but frankly,I enjoy wearing two sets of genitals!"

Darn those surgeons and their kinky ways!
 
2001-09-21 08:46:37 PM  
Go Moonunit! Sounds like Walljasper was outsmarted by some rascally youngsters one time too many, and now he's pleading his case!

"And I would have gotten away with it, if it weren't for those pesky kids!"
 
2001-09-21 08:48:30 PM  
Not all adults are PC-avengers, though; we also have bigots!
 
2001-09-21 10:12:01 PM  
It's not like genetalia are so very important.
Real sex involves all of the body's parts, equally.
 
2001-09-22 12:25:10 AM  
"My mother is now a man and I love her dearly.

Ummm. Shouldn't that now be "I love him dearly?" ACK! It's confusing! hehe :)

- Big
 
2001-09-22 01:22:34 AM  
If i was a student I wouldnt really care if the princepal got a "change" as long as he didnt act really weird.
 
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