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(ABC)   Besides delaying your flights, the FAA is throwing $5 million Christmas parties   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 59
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2009-12-22 03:21:37 PM
Our tax dollars at work.
Obama says hookers and blow for all "that support him"
 
2009-12-22 05:09:34 PM
Hookers and blow??!?!??!?!!?!? Wait, why am I still talking to you Rubes!?

/If you on I-95 south get out of my way.
 
2009-12-22 05:11:05 PM
Another conference attendee asked a female ABC News undercover reporter if she was a "hooker" because "I was ready to reach for my wallet."

That's the epitome of smoothness.
 
2009-12-22 05:11:29 PM
I'm just jealous I was not invited.

Again.
 
2009-12-22 05:11:35 PM
FTFA "Another conference attendee asked a female ABC News undercover reporter if she was a "hooker" because "I was ready to reach for my wallet."

I LOL'd
 
2009-12-22 05:12:48 PM
Surely this never happened before and would never have happened had someone else far more competent taken over the administration.

/if anyone could remind me who that might have been, I'm interested.
 
2009-12-22 05:13:00 PM
Hey Subtard....thanks for letting us know that the FAA is responsible for blizzards, especially during all of this Global Warming. I suppose you'd prefer that these flights be sent off when it isn't safe?


BTW tard, 5 million doesn't hold a candle to the colossal and useless spending in this current Congress.
 
2009-12-22 05:17:22 PM
may I be the first to say that these guys have some of the most high-stress, all-or-nothing, safeguarding-thousands-of-lives-per-day jobs imaginable.

let 'em blow off a little steam.

oh wait, i mean - THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
 
2009-12-22 05:19:03 PM
GoDaddy.com Just had a $3 million dollar Christmas Party in Arizona
 
2009-12-22 05:20:08 PM
$5 Million doesn't seem like a lot compared to what the potential lawsuits would be if they didn't train these managers in the legistlation
 
2009-12-22 05:21:02 PM
"Undercover video to be broadcast tonight on ABC World News with ABC World News with Diane Sawyer shows FAA managers drinking heavily and making the rounds of Atlanta bars after a day of meetings."

How dare they have a conference! And OMFG, they went drinking on their own dollar after the meetings? Unheard of! String 'em up!
 
2009-12-22 05:21:04 PM
libbynomore2: Hey Subtard....thanks for letting us know that the FAA is responsible for blizzards, especially during all of this Global Warming. I suppose you'd prefer that these flights be sent off when it isn't safe?


BTW tard, 5 million doesn't hold a candle to the colossal and useless spending in this current Congress.


You sound like an FAA apologist. And you like argumentum ad ignoratio.
 
2009-12-22 05:22:50 PM
Vidwiz: GoDaddy.com Just had a $3 million dollar Christmas Party in Arizona

Was Danika Patrick there?
 
2009-12-22 05:22:56 PM
Man, I haven't had a Christmas party from an employer for about 13 years now.
 
2009-12-22 05:24:03 PM
waterbrother 2009-12-22 05:17:22 PM
may I be the first to say that these guys have some of the most high-stress, all-or-nothing, safeguarding-thousands-of-lives-per-day jobs imaginable.

let 'em blow off a little steam.

oh wait, i mean - THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!



Oh please! it's much harder and much more stressful for farktards to sit in their momma's basement and waste time day after day pissing and moaning about what others do than it is to work for the FAA.
 
2009-12-22 05:24:05 PM
Vidwiz: GoDaddy.com Just had a $3 million dollar Christmas Party in Arizona

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M-G
2009-12-22 05:24:43 PM
Has Citizens Against Government Waste ever identified a gov't dollar that they approve of spending? Seriously, you're biatching because the hotel upgraded the head honcho to a suite and they provided a complimentary cocktail party? Hotels tend to do that kind of things when you book a ton of rooms.

And oh noes!111 The conference attendees like to go out and hit the town while on business travel!

Make a cogent argument that this conference wasn't necessary, or that $1400 a person wasn't a good value, and provide a solution, instead of "Hurr, durr, Powerpoint!"
 
2009-12-22 05:25:39 PM
pearls before swine: "Undercover video to be broadcast tonight on ABC World News with ABC World News with Diane Sawyer shows FAA managers drinking heavily and making the rounds of Atlanta bars after a day of meetings."

How dare they have a conference! And OMFG, they went drinking on their own dollar after the meetings? Unheard of! String 'em up!


I was about to invite the big gobbermint douches from the libertarian thread over to explain away this one, but I see they are already here.
 
2009-12-22 05:26:59 PM
oh sure now the MSM complains about goverment spending when its on a party for our lord and savior's birthday.
 
2009-12-22 05:31:22 PM
It's good to be the king.
 
2009-12-22 05:35:32 PM
I wonder how many of them put in for the full $81 per-diem on the day they had the buffet-dinner mentioned in the article? 3,600 counts of defrauding the federal government coming up.....
 
2009-12-22 05:35:54 PM
FuelCycle: Vidwiz: GoDaddy.com Just had a $3 million dollar Christmas Party in Arizona

Was Danika Patrick there?


Paula Poundstone was(^), who doesn't love her?
 
2009-12-22 05:37:09 PM
acaciaavenue: Man, I haven't had a Christmas party from an employer for about 13 years now.


Same here.
 
2009-12-22 05:37:55 PM
PullmyHair: Paula Poundstone was(^), who doesn't love her?


She's creepy and unfunny.
 
2009-12-22 05:42:32 PM
006andahalf: libbynomore2: Hey Subtard....thanks for letting us know that the FAA is responsible for blizzards, especially during all of this Global Warming. I suppose you'd prefer that these flights be sent off when it isn't safe?


BTW tard, 5 million doesn't hold a candle to the colossal and useless spending in this current Congress.

You sound like an FAA apologist. And you like argumentum ad ignoratio.


I was going to chime in but alas I see all bases have been covered here.
 
2009-12-22 05:44:58 PM
The_Sponge: She's creepy and unfunny.

That's a nice way of sayin' it
 
2009-12-22 05:48:41 PM
Damn. Now I am really interested in seeing what the undercover reporter looks like.
 
2009-12-22 05:51:21 PM
cefm: I wonder how many of them put in for the full $81 per-diem on the day they had the buffet-dinner mentioned in the article? 3,600 counts of defrauding the federal government coming up.....

Uhm, that money is for whatever you want. I can tell you I know a lot of people that eat mcdonalds on their business trips.
 
2009-12-22 05:53:35 PM
Did anyone else think that said "5 million Christmas Parties?"
Anyone? . . .
No? . . .

/well, nevermind then
 
2009-12-22 05:59:16 PM
Bossk'sSegway: Damn. Now I am really interested in seeing what the undercover reporter looks like.

I was thinking the same thing.
 
2009-12-22 06:03:31 PM
Sin_City_Superhero: Bossk'sSegway: Damn. Now I am really interested in seeing what the undercover reporter looks like.

I was thinking the same thing.


i257.photobucket.com
 
2009-12-22 06:07:10 PM
I'm not trying to defend the irresponsible and wasteful govt. spending of a $5 million dollar party but...when I worked for my last software company we'd go out drinking and raging at night during all the conferences we went to. I'm guessing it's not that uncommon.
 
2009-12-22 06:10:10 PM
M-G: Has Citizens Against Government Waste ever identified a gov't dollar that they approve of spending?

Their mission is to bring government waste to the attention of the people. You might as well be asking why media matters doesn't identify conservative proposals they approve of.

Seriously, you're biatching because the hotel upgraded the head honcho to a suite and they provided a complimentary cocktail party?

No. They are pointing out that $5 million was spent to "train" managers on a new contract but the quality of the training was highly suspect. It could have been done more efficiently, but that's not how government works.
 
2009-12-22 06:26:47 PM
Rodddxl: No. They are pointing out that $5 million was spent to "train" managers on a new contract but the quality of the training was highly suspect. It could have been done more efficiently

How? What do they not get time after the conference? Are we to expect them to simply work sleep and eat? Show me the efficiency that is missed out on here. Simply saying "Hey this is a large number" is the height of idiocy, you need to show me that there is some other way of doing this that would be more efficient.

They have to be trained on this, only so many people have the training for this, at a certain point you need to get a large group of people in the same place to disseminate the information and to ensure that everyone is trained in the exact same way.
 
2009-12-22 07:41:55 PM
Molavian: Another conference attendee asked a female ABC News undercover reporter if she was a "hooker" because "I was ready to reach for my wallet."

That's the epitome of smoothness.


Bet he really laid some pipe back in the day.
 
2009-12-22 07:51:43 PM
The hotel rate is the standard, but how do they qualify for $81 per diem rate in Atlanta?

2010 per diem for Atlanta is $56 (new window).

Friggin DC & Los Angeles are $71. FAA is on a different scale? Or is it some kind of sekrit management per diem rate?
 
2009-12-22 07:54:27 PM
Bossk'sSegway: Damn. Now I am really interested in seeing what the undercover reporter looks like.

I didn't come here to say this, but I wish I had.
 
2009-12-22 08:00:26 PM
Also, not every hotel is going to charge you the max per diem rate of $140, even for a conference & even if you are gubmint.

If it needed to be done, it probably could have been done for cheaper at a more intelligent time of the year rather than Christmas Party time.

/Have budget, must spend it.
 
2009-12-22 08:27:19 PM
I'm ok with a party. I'm not ok with a) strictly managers b) $5 mil.
 
2009-12-22 08:29:43 PM
M-G: Make a cogent argument that this conference wasn't necessary, or that $1400 a person wasn't a good value, and provide a solution, instead of "Hurr, durr, Powerpoint!"

Flying 3,600 people to Atlanta at a prime holiday travel period & at what seems to be higher than normal expense rates?

"Hurr, durr, PowerPoint" seems pretty legit at that scale of workforce flown in. 3,600 people needed hands-on training on a contract that went into effect Oct 1? That shiat already had to be known before Oct 1, and do you need to be on-site to be told, "Make sure you let your air traffic controllers take pee breaks"? What's so fancy that had to be done on-site, at this time of year, for 3,600 managers?

Is it because it is the FAA that it's okay? If one of the bank regulators did this, say for the new credit card legislation ferinstance, or anyone in Dept of Treasury in general, do you think you'd have a different opinion?

If managers in my org did this, I'd be pissed off.
 
2009-12-22 08:42:22 PM
One FAA manager told an ABC News undercover reporter, "Anytime you get a bunch of FAA guys together, it is nothing but a party." Another said, "It beats being at work."

btr.michaelkwan.com

Ain't no party like an FAA party cause an FAA party don't stop
 
2009-12-22 09:13:19 PM
America! fark Yeah!
 
2009-12-22 09:32:46 PM
Does 3600 managers seem excessive? Not by government standard, but by normal standards.
 
2009-12-22 09:43:24 PM
New contract came together pretty quickly after 3 years of union bashing under the temporary work rules enforced for the previous three years. So yes there was a need to get the sups/managers trained on both the new contract and the FAA's new improved method of dealing with and new attitudes to the controller work force.

Yes it could have been done by teleconferences, etc. but this is the traditional way to do it, and unfortunately it will take years to drag old ways out of the stone age.

What the attendees do on their own time is their business, but you do get nailed for doing stupid crud that reflects badly on the agency. (and if your wife, etc. hears about the "I thought you were a hooker line." you get to deal with that as well.)

So far I'm happy with the improved attitudes toward the controllers, it makes for a much more pleasant work day.

...Old crusty controller.
 
2009-12-22 09:53:39 PM
Dear FAA Managers,
Starting 1 October, the following rules will be changed in accordance with the latest contract. If you have any questions, the people who do the actual work will fill you in.

Change One: Friday is Wacky Tacky Tie Day. It was Saturday, it is now Friday.

Change Two: If you stand behind and FAA Operator and slurp your coffee thusly: Slllllluuurrrrppppp pah! He or she can kill you.

Change Three: The aggregate hours applied to non tower operational duty has been changed from .0125 to .0235. The supplemental form FAA-24-6 is not superseded by FAA Form 24-8 and reflects this charge back. Do not use FAA form 24-7. If you only have form FAA 24-6, and note in field 2d and 65p that you are using the -6 and acknowledge that you should be using -8.

Change Four: Lining up the planes on the flight line to spell curse words visible from the tower is strictly forbidden. 'POO' 'ASS' and 'YOUR LUGGAGE IS TOAST' (aka the LaGuardia Lineup) are still allowed.

Signed FAA Senior Manager GS-15 (RIP*)

*Retired In Place

Just saved you five mil
 
2009-12-22 10:26:59 PM
www.nasa.gov

HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!
 
2009-12-22 10:51:29 PM
Replace "FAA managers" with "active duty military" and no one would give a damn.
 
2009-12-22 11:36:21 PM
When you decide to work for the government, and your work is paid for by involuntarily collected tax dollars, perhaps one thing you might need to give up is extravagant office parties.
 
2009-12-22 11:58:16 PM
When you decide to work for the government, and your work is paid for by involuntarily collected tax dollars, perhaps one thing you might need to give up is extravagant office parties.

Not with this administration. Its spending is tanking the economy, and there's nothing we can do about it.
 
2009-12-23 12:49:50 AM
jdproctor: When you decide to work for the government, and your work is paid for by involuntarily collected tax dollars, perhaps one thing you might need to give up is extravagant office parties.

Contracting for the government off and on for around 20 years the best way I can describe the government is this:
Since we don't have to turn a profit, have at it.
 
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