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2009-12-22 12:36:24 PM
el wharrrgarblo: loser0: el wharrrgarblo: EnderWiggnz: el wharrrgarblo: professional welfare recipients

Havent existed since 1996 since clinton ENDED WELFARE

Link (new window)

Thanks for pointing to an article showing that there are no longer professional welfare recipients.

Yeah, because there are no people, recieving welfar, that have BMW's, big rims, and nice stuff.

Nope, none at all. Those people have no skills at milking the system at all, and are all minor oversights by an otherwise well run government progam. Just like all other government programs. Efficient and well run and set up to help people out, and to fade away if neccessary once people get thier help.

Yup.


Fraud exists so we should end welfare. It's perfectly logical.
 
2009-12-22 12:39:02 PM
grizzlyjohnson: el wharrrgarblo: As far as the poor people? Most of them have no one to blame but themselves.

That's a nearly universal white middle class misconception: that everyone has the same opportunities that you do when in fact the perception of the availability of opportunities is a complicated misture of family life, role models, economic standing, and location.


this.

/taking advantage of my situation to pull myself up
//back to school slashies!
 
2009-12-22 12:39:12 PM
devirginizer: Pocket Ninja: Because we live in socialism now, and that means that the government has already stolen everything that's worth stealing and given it to poor people and illegal immigrants to keep them happy and out of trouble; used death panels, internment camps, and an iron-gripped control of the liberal media to silence dissenters; and counted on the stiff-upper-lippedness, bootrappiness, and general adherence to social mores of the recently fleeced upper classes to just smile grimly in the face of such adversity and accept the new way of things.

1/10
Obvious troll is obvious.


10/10! Bravo, sir!
 
2009-12-22 12:40:28 PM
Icey_M: Wait until unemployment starts running out for folks and the veil is lifted

This. Congress knows it too, which is why they approved a two-month extension of unemployment benefits over the weekend.

I'm in michigan (not detroit) and I've been waiting and watching anxiously. There are a lot more people just wandering around than there were even 6 months ago.
 
2009-12-22 12:42:08 PM
"Early speculation includes jobless people at home keeping closer watch for thieves, or extra unemployment benefits keeping people from resorting to crime."

Yeah, that's it. People are staying home to watch for thieves. This articles assumptions are somewhat ridiculous.
 
2009-12-22 12:44:33 PM
oneodd1: grizzlyjohnson: el wharrrgarblo: As far as the poor people? Most of them have no one to blame but themselves.

That's a nearly universal white middle class misconception: that everyone has the same opportunities that you do when in fact the perception of the availability of opportunities is a complicated misture of family life, role models, economic standing, and location.

And all of that is predicated on skin pigment?


Yes, Einstein, why didn't I see it before. It's just that simple. That complicated mixture all boils down to that one thing.

I really thought that one fairly concise sentence conveyed my position pretty well but once again I've underestimated the Fark capacity for wild rhetorical oversimplification.
 
2009-12-22 12:46:56 PM
DIGITALgimpus: Simple: many businesses and individuals don't report thefts anymore. Given insurance companies can be troublesome and nearly impossible to get a payout... then the fear of increased costs to remain insured... it's just not worth it unless you're really in a bind due to the theft.

Even if you do, getting police to come and file a report for theft isn't easy in some cities... police just don't have the time and prefer to do things that either are life-dependent (responding to crimes in progress, making arrests) or generating revenue (speeding tickets).


That's about the most unlikely explanation I could imagine. I really doesn't make a bit of logical sense. People stopped reporting crime because >of the great recession? Why? The Detroit PD suddenly got bad in the past year??? LOL

The truth is that there has been and will always be unreported crime.
The bad police departments that are bad today were mostly bad five years ago. Unreported crime was unreported five years ago and unreported today. You're suggesting a MASSIVE increase in unreported crime rate with no explanation as to why that would have happened.

Among the least likely explanations of our low-crime phenomenon is that crime has suddenly and mysteriously stopped being reported. The likeliest explanation is that crime actually has fallen, but we don't yet know all the reasons.

I'd suggest that among the most obvious reasons is that our nation has never had a larger proportion of our population behind bars or on parole. Another is the abortion issue raised by Freakanomics. Unwanted kids aren't well cared for, and a lot of unwanted kids weren't born 17 years ago. Another is that with so many unemployed (actual rate around 17%) and stuck at home, thieves are having problems finding home owners away from home, or neighborhoods without nosy neighbors around all day long. A lot of house burglaries happen during daylight hours, when people aren't usually home.

Another likely reason is technology. Sure, video surveillance cameras have been around for decades, but they've never been as good, cheap and easy to set up as they are today. Because of this, it's getting harder and harder to get away with petty crimes. The criminal who might have robbed 20 convenience stores before getting caught is now getting caught after robbing just one or two. He's taken off the streets.

Another factor is that urban neighborhoods are finally starting to snitch on criminals. A certain proportion of the population in bad neighborhoods have always disliked their criminal element but were too scared to talk. Now, with cheap anonymous cell phones, snitching is easy and safe.

Those are all guesses, but each of them a lot more likely than some mysterious and massive increase in unreported crime.
 
2009-12-22 12:47:50 PM
venerant: "Early speculation includes jobless people at home keeping closer watch for thieves, or extra unemployment benefits keeping people from resorting to crime."

Yeah, that's it. People are staying home to watch for thieves. This articles assumptions are somewhat ridiculous.


They're not claiming the unemployed people are specifically staying home to thwart thieves; that is just a side effect that happens naturally when you have a few extra million people watching Oprah all day because they have nothing better to do.
 
2009-12-22 12:50:29 PM
rastjr: I think Obama has given people hope that they didn't have before.

A person with hope in the future probably doesn't commit crimes.


I'm sure you're aware but the logical conclusion to your statement is that those who derive hope from Obama's ascendancy to the White House are the same ones who would normally be doing the crimes that they're now not doing because of ObaMagic.

...or did I just feed a troll? I really need to get a better Trollmeter if so.
 
2009-12-22 12:55:00 PM
RandomRandom: Those are all guesses, but each of them a lot more likely than some mysterious and massive increase in unreported crime.

I don't think anyone's claiming that the rate of unreported crime has changed substantially in the past 1 year or 2 years. You cited many good reasons why that would be highly unlikely.

But this article is not comparing to 1 or 2 years ago. The direct comparisons are being made to the 60s and the early 1990s. Public perceptions of law & order can and do change over 20 or 50 years. I don't find it much of a stretch to say that perhaps the crime rates are similar over the decades, but that reported crimes (and ergo the official crime rate) have gone down since the 60s as the population loses faith in its police departments.
 
2009-12-22 12:55:53 PM
grizzlyjohnson: el wharrrgarblo: As far as the poor people? Most of them have no one to blame but themselves.

That's a nearly universal white middle class misconception: that everyone has the same opportunities that you do when in fact the perception of the availability of opportunities is a complicated misture of family life, role models, economic standing, and location.


Well, I disagree. I know plenty of white people who are broke as hell and blame everyone but themselves and their unwise spending habits.

And these people range from no college to college grads.
 
2009-12-22 12:56:28 PM
el wharrrgarblo: But some people think that everyone has the same mentality, and we all don't. Some people don't want to work, and will gladly take advantage of every free loading program they can, and teach their children to do it too.

So, as a compassionate conservative you are advocating that we should cease these endless welfare payments and starve people who will be made homeless by this action into working at minimum wage jobs?

Merry Christmas - you are a Christian in this Christian nation we have, right?
 
2009-12-22 01:01:20 PM
RandomRandom: That's about the most unlikely explanation I could imagine. I really doesn't make a bit of logical sense. People stopped reporting crime because >of the great recession? Why? The Detroit PD suddenly got bad in the past year??? LOL

The truth is that there has been and will always be unreported crime.
The bad police departments that are bad today were mostly bad five years ago. Unreported crime was unreported five years ago and unreported today. You're suggesting a MASSIVE increase in unreported crime rate with no explanation as to why that would have happened.

Among the least likely explanations of our low-crime phenomenon is that crime has suddenly and mysteriously stopped being reported. The likeliest explanation is that crime actually has fallen, but we don't yet know all the reasons.

I'd suggest that among the most obvious reasons is that our nation has never had a larger proportion of our population behind bars or on parole. Another is the abortion issue raised by Freakanomics. Unwanted kids aren't well cared for, and a lot of unwanted kids weren't born 17 years ago. Another is that with so many unemployed (actual rate around 17%) and stuck at home, thieves are having problems finding home owners away from home, or neighborhoods without nosy neighbors around all day long. A lot of house burglaries happen during daylight hours, when people aren't usually home.

Another likely reason is technology. Sure, video surveillance cameras have been around for decades, but they've never been as good, cheap and easy to set up as they are today. Because of this, it's getting harder and harder to get away with petty crimes. The criminal who might have robbed 20 convenience stores before getting caught is now getting caught after robbing just one or two. He's taken off the streets.

Another factor is that urban neighborhoods are finally starting to snitch on criminals. A certain proportion of the population in bad neighborhoods have always disliked their criminal element but were too scared to talk. Now, with cheap anonymous cell phones, snitching is easy and safe.

Those are all guesses, but each of them a lot more likely than some mysterious and massive increase in unreported crime.


That's the underemployed rate, not unemployed.
 
2009-12-22 01:03:32 PM
So I see everyone is buying into the abortion Freakonomics correlation=causation crap.

Its rich white women that get abortions, not Mexicans, other minorities (at least in my experience ymmv) or otherwise poor people that would be attracted to crime.

And its highly doubtful that Sally who got an abortion while she was a senior at some fancy private school would have a kid that turns to street crime. That kid would grow up to be a good old fashioned white collar criminal.
 
2009-12-22 01:05:48 PM
Barnstormer: Mayhem of the Black Underclass: Barnstormer: murder and manslaughter dropped a surprising 10 percent for the first half of the year



But how about mayhem?

What?

The three M's. Personally I find mayhem more satisfying. I wonder how the city of brotherly love fared after losing the World Series? Did they do a Detroit? Detroit does it even when they win, though (rare occurrence but it has happened).


That was a "what about me" "what", as opposed to a "what the hell are you talking about" "what".

/look at alt username.
 
2009-12-22 01:06:13 PM
Btw I'm on little sleep, lots of coffee, and Farking from my phone so I can't has good grammar
 
2009-12-22 01:06:23 PM
sboyle1020: That's the underemployed rate, not unemployed.

No, that's the actual unemployed rate. The official unemployment rate only counts people still looking for work. The official rate doesn't count any discouraged workers who are not currently looking for work. They're not actively looking, but they're damn sure unemployed and would take work if offered.

Now if you add all those who are underemployed into that, the figure rises to well above 25% of our national workforce.
 
2009-12-22 01:06:39 PM
I'm going to say, it's because of the spread of the internet and social networks.

It could give people hope that they could more easily find love, or work, or more supportive communities.

Maybe people are gaining a better understanding of how we really are connected with our neighbors and with the whole world.

A person will be far less likely to rob from people if they see them as part of their community and they have hopes of achievement through legitimate means, rather than stealing and hurting people because they are seen as an enemy who has what someone else rightfully deserves.
 
2009-12-22 01:07:08 PM
sboyle1020: That's the underemployed rate, not unemployed.

Or add in discouraged workers. They're unemployed for all intents and purposes. Then you get up to 17 somewhere.

You can bring the unemployment rate down to zero without creating a single job if you fudge the numbers strongly enough.
 
2009-12-22 01:10:01 PM
Random Reality Check: el wharrrgarblo: But some people think that everyone has the same mentality, and we all don't. Some people don't want to work, and will gladly take advantage of every free loading program they can, and teach their children to do it too.

So, as a compassionate conservative you are advocating that we should cease these endless welfare payments and starve people who will be made homeless by this action into working at minimum wage jobs?

Merry Christmas - you are a Christian in this Christian nation we have, right?


Did I say that? I like how you pick and choose what you want to quote. I've posted else where that Im all for educating/training people, making sure they're healthy until their healthcare at their job kicks in, and then ween them off.

What people like you don't seem to understand is we don't like in some Hollywood movie. People all aren't "good", and good at heart. People are greedy and selfish and you can see it through all walks of life, and all the different races.

I'm all for giving people a chance since I know that life isn't fair from the get go. What I'm not for is supporting theives and low lives that are plenty capable of working but don't want to.
 
2009-12-22 01:10:27 PM
Jubeebee: devirginizer: Pocket Ninja: Because we live in socialism now, and that means that the government has already stolen everything that's worth stealing and given it to poor people and illegal immigrants to keep them happy and out of trouble; used death panels, internment camps, and an iron-gripped control of the liberal media to silence dissenters; and counted on the stiff-upper-lippedness, bootrappiness, and general adherence to social mores of the recently fleeced upper classes to just smile grimly in the face of such adversity and accept the new way of things.

1/10
Obvious troll is obvious.

You obviously aren't familiar with the dazzling brilliance that is Pocket Ninja.


pretty much
 
2009-12-22 01:12:59 PM
Violent crime, abortions and unwed teenage pregnancies declined under Clinton. They rose under Bush. Now they are declining again. Has anyone does any research into whether there's a correlation between crime rate and the party in power?
 
2009-12-22 01:15:56 PM
el wharrrgarblo: grizzlyjohnson: el wharrrgarblo: As far as the poor people? Most of them have no one to blame but themselves.

That's a nearly universal white middle class misconception: that everyone has the same opportunities that you do when in fact the perception of the availability of opportunities is a complicated misture of family life, role models, economic standing, and location.

Well, I disagree. I know plenty of white people who are broke as hell and blame everyone but themselves and their unwise spending habits.

And these people range from no college to college grads.


I give up.
 
2009-12-22 01:15:58 PM
Frank N Stein: And its highly doubtful that Sally who got an abortion while she was a senior at some fancy private school would have a kid that turns to street crime. That kid would grow up to be a good old fashioned white collar criminal.

The Menendez brothers would like a word with you...
 
2009-12-22 01:16:38 PM
Frank N Stein: So I see everyone is buying into the abortion Freakonomics correlation=causation crap.

Its rich white women that get abortions, not Mexicans, other minorities (at least in my experience ymmv) or otherwise poor people that would be attracted to crime.



At the risk of feeding the troll : There is more to criminal activity than financial gain. Rich white overprivilaged suburban kids will do it for the lulz. Most violent crimes are NOT done for financial gain but for short term emotional satisfaction.
 
2009-12-22 01:17:31 PM
The cops are too busy stealing donuts & coffee to respond, so the other crimes do not count.
 
2009-12-22 01:18:50 PM
Kareeshus: venerant: "Early speculation includes jobless people at home keeping closer watch for thieves, or extra unemployment benefits keeping people from resorting to crime."

Yeah, that's it. People are staying home to watch for thieves. This articles assumptions are somewhat ridiculous.

They're not claiming the unemployed people are specifically staying home to thwart thieves; that is just a side effect that happens naturally when you have a few extra million people watching Oprah all day because they have nothing better to do.



What you say may be true, but it strikes me as odd, and it makes my intuition twinge when it seems like they're using the same prior-held view point to describe activity that defies their understanding. Something about the way it's written makes it seem like the experts on crime trends expect people to commit crime when in a recession. I think our approach as a nation is different this time and so the outcome is different. They (the trend watchers) are attached to a certain view of how to deal with crime, so they may be a little flabbergasted when a foregone conclusion (crime will go up when people have less work), is contradicted by fact. I see how given previous experience, it might seem like crime and unemployment are necessarily linked, but those initial presuppositions already create a bias in looking for reasons why. Crime and unemployment might only share a correlational connection.
 
2009-12-22 01:23:13 PM
el wharrrgarblo: Hmmm,maybe we should try this:

Let's stop giving money (that is stolen from those who work) to professional welfare recipients and illegal aliens and see what happens.

It baffles me that so many people think it's acceptable to bribe the poor so they don't try to cause trouble.

They should be getting enough help to get them trained, and health insurance until their on the job insurance kicks in, and THAT'S IT.

You can only put two pennies in the jar and take three out for so long before it's empty.

\obviously there are exceptions...


So what do you think should be done about all the banksters bailout recipients from last year? You know, the ones who needed an instant $700 billion or the global economy would collapse under the weight of their own stupid 'financial innovation'?

Or is it only 'welfare' if you're poor and get about $600-1200 bucks a month but if you're rich & connected and getting a share of a $22Billion bonus from your company that makes its money by borrowing at a rate of 0.25% and either lending it back to the US gov't at 3% or gambling it in derivatives and commodities then it's 'saving capitalism'?
 
2009-12-22 01:23:35 PM
el wharrrgarblo: People all aren't "good", and good at heart. People are greedy and selfish and you can see it through all walks of life, and all the different races.

We get that. What you don't get is what we see in you.
 
2009-12-22 01:23:56 PM
We're more enlightened now than we were 500 days ago. We have no want of material possessions. Learning, thinking, and philosophical debate in the arena of ideas is all that we pursue now.
 
2009-12-22 01:25:20 PM
But murder and manslaughter dropped a surprising 10 percent for the first half of the year, according to the FBI's data. In Philadelphia, the homicide rate during the first six months of the year dropped 11 percent, from 161 to 143.

hmmm I think they are looking at the wrong stats!.. if people are hurting for $$ they steal and sell things not murder people!!!

perhaps they need to look at thefts and robberies instead of murder rates!
 
2009-12-22 01:27:02 PM
One Thirty-two and Bush: We're more enlightened now than we were 500 days ago. We have no want of material possessions. Learning, thinking, and philosophical debate in the arena of ideas is all that we pursue now.

Where do you live and what hours are you out of the house ? Also what do you drive and where is it parked ?
 
2009-12-22 01:27:29 PM
gtpooh: Violent crime, abortions and unwed teenage pregnancies declined under Clinton. They rose under Bush. Now they are declining again. Has anyone does any research into whether there's a correlation between crime rate and the party in power?

Criminals are mostly democrats, and they're more unruly when their party isn't in power.
 
2009-12-22 01:28:31 PM
el wharrrgarblo: grizzlyjohnson: el wharrrgarblo: As far as the poor people? Most of them have no one to blame but themselves.

That's a nearly universal white middle class misconception: that everyone has the same opportunities that you do when in fact the perception of the availability of opportunities is a complicated misture of family life, role models, economic standing, and location.

Well, I disagree. I know plenty of white people who are broke as hell and blame everyone but themselves and their unwise spending habits.

And these people range from no college to college grads.


Reading comprehension fail. Grizzly's sentence is saying the perception that everyone has equal opportunities is a middle class white perception. He is not saying that only non-whites lack opportunities.
 
2009-12-22 01:29:12 PM
ringersol: SpaceButler: "It's worth noting that that isn't the only causative factor they found when studying the 90s crime drop"

1. correlative
2. lead paint


Have you read the book?
 
2009-12-22 01:30:27 PM
gtpooh: Violent crime, abortions and unwed teenage pregnancies declined under Clinton. They rose under Bush. Now they are declining again. Has anyone does any research into whether there's a correlation between crime rate and the party in power?



I know I'd be worried about having a child in a country run by Bush.
 
2009-12-22 01:33:39 PM
FuLinHyu: Was going to say "can't afford guns", but I see our resident ninja has the overall problem covered already.

Guns are cheap and easy to get the problem is lack of ammunition, go ahead and try to find reloading supplies such as primers, most stores have been on back-order for nearly a year now with no sign of shipments, in this time a 20ct box of 5.56mm ammo has gone from $5 to $15+ and quantities once easy to get are now restricted to 5-10 boxes by most retailers.
 
2009-12-22 01:38:24 PM
wilde_at_heart: el wharrrgarblo: Hmmm,maybe we should try this:

Let's stop giving money (that is stolen from those who work) to professional welfare recipients and illegal aliens and see what happens.

It baffles me that so many people think it's acceptable to bribe the poor so they don't try to cause trouble.

They should be getting enough help to get them trained, and health insurance until their on the job insurance kicks in, and THAT'S IT.

You can only put two pennies in the jar and take three out for so long before it's empty.

\obviously there are exceptions...

So what do you think should be done about all the banksters bailout recipients from last year? You know, the ones who needed an instant $700 billion or the global economy would collapse under the weight of their own stupid 'financial innovation'?

Or is it only 'welfare' if you're poor and get about $600-1200 bucks a month but if you're rich & connected and getting a share of a $22Billion bonus from your company that makes its money by borrowing at a rate of 0.25% and either lending it back to the US gov't at 3% or gambling it in derivatives and commodities then it's 'saving capitalism'?


They should have been brought out into the middle of the street and SHOT.

Wall St. produces nothing. They use smoke and mirrors to manipulate everything, and then use fake money to buy politicians, to get the laws changed, so they can do almost whatever they want. And then when they fail, they demand we pay them.

It's bullshiat.
 
2009-12-22 01:38:28 PM
el wharrrgarblo: Hmmm,maybe we should try this:

Let's stop giving money (that is stolen from those who work) to professional welfare recipients and illegal aliens and see what happens.

It baffles me that so many people think it's acceptable to bribe the poor so they don't try to cause trouble.

They should be getting enough help to get them trained, and health insurance until their on the job insurance kicks in, and THAT'S IT.

You can only put two pennies in the jar and take three out for so long before it's empty.

\obviously there are exceptions...


Most welfare recipients are single mothers so our choices are:

1. Encourage abortions (OMFG! Jeebus will hate us!)

2. Take kids away from poor mothers (OMFG! Jeebus will hate us!)

3. Force sterilization of the poor (OMFG! Jeebus will hate us!) (and no cheap labor!!!)

4. Let them die (until they organize and come for your ass and your stuff). Someone like me will probably be giving them directions.
 
2009-12-22 01:39:34 PM
Chuckus: I don't get it, Crime goes up, liberals are soft on crime. Crime goes down, liberals are destroying our freedom.

Falling crime rates are a central goal of conservatism right? How can you be mad at that? How is that a bad thing? Can't you just be happy you're getting what you want. Why is everything an assault against conservatism. What's with the persecution complex?

You ask for cake, someone gets some for you and you punch them in the face for being a socialist commie. It's borderline insane.


It's the damned if you do, damned if you don't mentality which became stronger because a black man is president. The snowflakes are still pissed about that.
 
2009-12-22 01:40:18 PM
roe v. wade & PS3 baby
 
2009-12-22 01:41:39 PM
bird girl: el wharrrgarblo: grizzlyjohnson: el wharrrgarblo: As far as the poor people? Most of them have no one to blame but themselves.

That's a nearly universal white middle class misconception: that everyone has the same opportunities that you do when in fact the perception of the availability of opportunities is a complicated misture of family life, role models, economic standing, and location.

Well, I disagree. I know plenty of white people who are broke as hell and blame everyone but themselves and their unwise spending habits.

And these people range from no college to college grads.

Reading comprehension fail. Grizzly's sentence is saying the perception that everyone has equal opportunities is a middle class white perception. He is not saying that only non-whites lack opportunities.


Reading comprehension fail on both actually. el Wharggbl never stated that everyone had equal opportunity. Everyone has a chance to improve their lot in life, some have an easier chance, but everyone still has that chance. I know many rich kids who have failed in life and many poor kids who have succeeded. It was always up to the individual to choose their path. Some chose party and drugs, others chose study and hard work.
 
2009-12-22 01:41:42 PM
jesdynf: el wharrrgarblo: People all aren't "good", and good at heart. People are greedy and selfish and you can see it through all walks of life, and all the different races.

We get that. What you don't get is what we see in you.


Since most of you are naive and have almost zero real-world experience, it doesn't really matter what you see in me.

You're wrong. People who think like you have always been wrong in almost every society since the beggining of recorded time.

America is no different. Grow as a nation, become fat and lazy, give give give, take away rights, go broke, civil war.

Laugh if you want, but history doesn't lie, and we can't escape it.

I would say more but it's wasted on you, I'm sure. Go back to dream land and try not to let realtiy into your small little world.
 
2009-12-22 01:43:52 PM
But at least we can be confident they've got that global warming thing right.
 
2009-12-22 01:44:26 PM
bird girl: el wharrrgarblo: grizzlyjohnson: el wharrrgarblo: As far as the poor people? Most of them have no one to blame but themselves.

That's a nearly universal white middle class misconception: that everyone has the same opportunities that you do when in fact the perception of the availability of opportunities is a complicated misture of family life, role models, economic standing, and location.

Well, I disagree. I know plenty of white people who are broke as hell and blame everyone but themselves and their unwise spending habits.

And these people range from no college to college grads.

Reading comprehension fail. Grizzly's sentence is saying the perception that everyone has equal opportunities is a middle class white perception. He is not saying that only non-whites lack opportunities.


And you're wrong, just like him. There are plenty of people, way smarter than you two, that realize this. In fact, YOUR reading comprehension fails since I've posted, multiple times, that I know life isn't fair for everyone.

You're trying to start a fight with me and I've stated the same thing as you.

I love how people like you eat up certain parts of reality, but ignore the other parts and call anyone who brings them up racist or bigot.
 
2009-12-22 01:44:47 PM
devirginizer: Hmmmm.... Clearly my joke wasn't obvious enough... Bodine Wilson seemed to get it though.

No I'm guessing he was making fun of you not getting it.
 
2009-12-22 01:45:48 PM
www.economist.com
 
2009-12-22 01:47:08 PM
bird girl: el wharrrgarblo: grizzlyjohnson: el wharrrgarblo: As far as the poor people? Most of them have no one to blame but themselves.

That's a nearly universal white middle class misconception: that everyone has the same opportunities that you do when in fact the perception of the availability of opportunities is a complicated misture of family life, role models, economic standing, and location.

Well, I disagree. I know plenty of white people who are broke as hell and blame everyone but themselves and their unwise spending habits.

And these people range from no college to college grads.

Reading comprehension fail. Grizzly's sentence is saying the perception that everyone has equal opportunities is a middle class white perception. He is not saying that only non-whites lack opportunities.


OH, and what about poor white people who don't qualify for affirmative action type programs because they are white.

Where is your bleeding heart for them? Douche Bag.
 
2009-12-22 01:48:13 PM
bird girl: el wharrrgarblo: grizzlyjohnson: el wharrrgarblo: As far as the poor people? Most of them have no one to blame but themselves.

That's a nearly universal white middle class misconception: that everyone has the same opportunities that you do when in fact the perception of the availability of opportunities is a complicated misture of family life, role models, economic standing, and location.

Well, I disagree. I know plenty of white people who are broke as hell and blame everyone but themselves and their unwise spending habits.

And these people range from no college to college grads.

Reading comprehension fail. Grizzly's sentence is saying the perception that everyone has equal opportunities is a middle class white perception. He is not saying that only non-whites lack opportunities.


Thank you.
 
2009-12-22 01:50:40 PM
el wharrrgarblo: rastjr: el wharrrgarblo: Jubeebee: el wharrrgarblo: rastjr: I think Obama has given people hope that they didn't have before.

A person with hope in the future probably doesn't commit crimes.

ahhhh, I get it. Judging from the other thread, I thought you were just stupid. Now I see you're a troll.

\troll on, I'm sure you'll get bites.

Hot troll on troll action. It's like watching a snake eat its own tail.

How am I a troll?


A better question is Why?

Um, I post factual, logic based posts.

You say dumb shiat like you have....well, in every thread today.



Not true, he's actually posted dumb shait in ever post he's ever made, not just today.
 
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