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(SFGate)   According to scientific analysis of millions of years of data, Earth is doomed to see its sixth epic mass extinction thanks to habitat destruction, pollution and global warming   (sfgate.com) divider line 189
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2009-12-21 08:06:34 PM  
Hey look! Alarmist junk science!
 
2009-12-21 08:15:46 PM  
LordZorch: Hey look! Alarmist junk science!

Hey look! Head-in-the-sand idiot!
 
2009-12-21 08:21:57 PM  
hey look..species come and go. And I don't even need a PHD to figure that one out.
 
2009-12-21 08:22:55 PM  
40yoVirgin: Hey look! Head-in-the-sand idiot!

A second one came in the thread after you.
 
2009-12-21 08:31:31 PM  
OMG! DOOOOOOM! dooom. we're doomed. a man with a clipboard confirmed it. Doomed for sure. Yup - completely hosed. nothing good will come of this, just you wait and see.

Doom.

doom.
 
2009-12-21 08:33:22 PM  
And now a third.
 
2009-12-21 08:39:42 PM  
GAT_00: And now a third.

They're too stupid to even read the article to understand that much of the extinction trends were caused by pre-modern humans:

There is, nevertheless, reason for optimism, Barnosky said. The number of extinctions has leveled off over the past 10,000 years, he said, and it is not too late to prevent a resurgence.
 
2009-12-21 08:47:45 PM  
occrider: They're too stupid to even read the article to understand that much of the extinction trends were caused by pre-modern humans:

Oh yeah. Humans caused mass extinctions on the American continents, New Guinea, Australia and Oceania over the last 15,000 years, when wildlife encountered humans for the first time. Those humans found these creatures, often megafauna animals, and went "Mmm, tasty." Those species were driven to extinction since they didn't know to fear humans.

That doesn't mean that there isn't one occurring now. Look at how many species are being driven to the edge by human encroachment and poaching. The primary cause this time is habitat encroachment I think.
 
2009-12-21 08:50:17 PM  
GAT_00: occrider: They're too stupid to even read the article to understand that much of the extinction trends were caused by pre-modern humans:

Oh yeah. Humans caused mass extinctions on the American continents, New Guinea, Australia and Oceania over the last 15,000 years, when wildlife encountered humans for the first time. Those humans found these creatures, often megafauna animals, and went "Mmm, tasty." Those species were driven to extinction since they didn't know to fear humans.

That doesn't mean that there isn't one occurring now. Look at how many species are being driven to the edge by human encroachment and poaching. The primary cause this time is habitat encroachment I think.


Look not disagreeing with the statistics that we're undergoing another mass extinction. I'm just say that the extinction trend is leveling off which is a positive sign. That doesn't necessarily mean that the slope can't turn positive again if global warming accelerates.
 
2009-12-21 08:50:24 PM  
Have him explain the megaliths and see how much he knows about ancient history then.
 
2009-12-21 08:54:05 PM  
Pollution and global warming are no match for my Y2K reserve stock of guns, bottled water and campbells soup.

/Me no fear the reaper ^
 
2009-12-21 08:54:10 PM  
occrider: Look not disagreeing with the statistics that we're undergoing another mass extinction. I'm just say that the extinction trend is leveling off which is a positive sign. That doesn't necessarily mean that the slope can't turn positive again if global warming accelerates.

Oh, I know you weren't disagreeing with me. You're quite right, the Holocene doesn't have to keep being an extinction event. That is up to us. Right now, we're looking at, oh, 90+% I'd think, if the lack of action continues due to too many idiots with their heads in the sand.
 
2009-12-21 08:57:15 PM  
The earth's population is going to more than triple in the next century. (less than 7 billion today to more than 21 billion) Do you really believe we can reverse climate change?
 
2009-12-21 09:35:37 PM  
www.embersonic.com

OOGABOOGA
 
2009-12-21 10:19:20 PM  
Sit back and enjoy the ride.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2009-12-21 10:27:26 PM  
Part of the modern science writing style guide: work global warming into every story you can. 12,000 years ago our ancestors killed off the mammoths and tigers (oh my!) and GLOBAL WARMING WILL DOOM US ALL.

People have been talking about humans causing mass extinctions much longer than anthropogenic global warming has been in the public consciousness.
 
2009-12-21 10:32:24 PM  
Unless we get off this planet and to the stars humanity is dead anyways. Global warming isn't even a blip on the radar of humanity's survival.
 
2009-12-21 10:38:45 PM  
Weaver95: OMG! DOOOOOOM! dooom. we're doomed. a man with a clipboard confirmed it. Doomed for sure. Yup - completely hosed. nothing good will come of this, just you wait and see.

Doom.

doom.


Enjoy your bluefin tuna while you have it.
 
2009-12-21 10:41:17 PM  
BunkyBrewman: The earth's population is going to more than triple in the next century. (less than 7 billion today to more than 21 billion) Do you really believe we can reverse climate change?

It's not going to go that high. We'd all be dead before the planet could support anything like that. Most estimates think it's going to level out at about 10 billion.

Or else.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2009-12-21 10:46:35 PM  
We'd all be dead before the planet could support anything like that. Most estimates think it's going to level out at about 10 billion.

I worry about any number of science fictional scenarios where we keep pushing the limits, like Moore's law but with people instead of transistors. Among many others, see "Billennium" by J. G. Ballard and Tuf Voyaging by George R. R. Martin.
 
2009-12-21 10:53:25 PM  
ZAZ: We'd all be dead before the planet could support anything like that. Most estimates think it's going to level out at about 10 billion.

I worry about any number of science fictional scenarios where we keep pushing the limits, like Moore's law but with people instead of transistors. Among many others, see "Billennium" by J. G. Ballard and Tuf Voyaging by George R. R. Martin.


don't forget Firefly.
 
2009-12-21 11:00:07 PM  
This cannot stand! Throw $100 billion at this problem immediately!
 
2009-12-21 11:07:34 PM  
Mentat:
Enjoy your bluefin tuna while you have it.


I had an idea for a cookbook - recipies for endangered species. All the entries would be on heavy duty plastic covered card stock and the book itself was to be a three ring binder arrangement. that way when new species became endangered you could add them to the cookbook. And when someone finally ate the last surviving example of an endangered species, they could easily remove the recipe in question.

I tried shopping the idea around to a few publishers, but nobody ever responded. I had a really great recipe for condor wings too...would have been great for a superbowl party!
 
2009-12-21 11:15:24 PM  
Weaver95: Mentat:
Enjoy your bluefin tuna while you have it.

I had an idea for a cookbook - recipies for endangered species. All the entries would be on heavy duty plastic covered card stock and the book itself was to be a three ring binder arrangement. that way when new species became endangered you could add them to the cookbook. And when someone finally ate the last surviving example of an endangered species, they could easily remove the recipe in question.

I tried shopping the idea around to a few publishers, but nobody ever responded. I had a really great recipe for condor wings too...would have been great for a superbowl party!


I know you've never seriously shopped that around. Because if you had, you'd have sold it. And the controversy surrounding it would propel you to the top of the best-seller lists.
 
2009-12-21 11:18:55 PM  
Is this my queue to start panicking ?
 
2009-12-21 11:19:27 PM  
unlikely:
I know you've never seriously shopped that around. Because if you had, you'd have sold it. And the controversy surrounding it would propel you to the top of the best-seller lists.


no, really - I did try sending around proposals to various publishers. But I don't know anyone in the industry, and I suspect all my letters ended up in the 'cold call' pile and ultimately ignored.

Or they all though I was a certified wacko and just ignored the concept.
 
2009-12-21 11:21:08 PM  
FTA
researchers shows that between 15 and 42 percent of the mammals in North America disappeared after humans arrived

It's good to see they could narrow that down
 
2009-12-21 11:21:50 PM  
Weaver95: Mentat:
Enjoy your bluefin tuna while you have it.

I had an idea for a cookbook - recipies for endangered species. All the entries would be on heavy duty plastic covered card stock and the book itself was to be a three ring binder arrangement. that way when new species became endangered you could add them to the cookbook. And when someone finally ate the last surviving example of an endangered species, they could easily remove the recipe in question.

I tried shopping the idea around to a few publishers, but nobody ever responded. I had a really great recipe for condor wings too...would have been great for a superbowl party!


Wasn't there a horrible Mathew Brodrick/Marlon Brando film about eating endangered species?
 
2009-12-21 11:22:50 PM  
The Incredible Sexual Egg: FTA
researchers shows that between 15 and 42 percent of the mammals in North America disappeared after humans arrived

It's good to see they could narrow that down



Ah, "researchers." 60% of the time, they're right every time.
 
2009-12-21 11:24:27 PM  
gave up: Wasn't there a horrible Mathew Brodrick/Marlon Brando film about eating endangered species?

there was, yes. But to the best of my knowledge nobody has ever put together a cookbook of how to prepare and eat endangered species.

I was even going to include a chapter on making salads and garnishes out of endangered plants.
 
2009-12-21 11:24:40 PM  
And back to the subject at hand. "This just in, black plague wipes out 60 to 90% of humans....future all but sealed for pesky bipeds"...
 
2009-12-21 11:25:45 PM  
gave up: Weaver95: Mentat:
Enjoy your bluefin tuna while you have it.

I had an idea for a cookbook - recipies for endangered species. All the entries would be on heavy duty plastic covered card stock and the book itself was to be a three ring binder arrangement. that way when new species became endangered you could add them to the cookbook. And when someone finally ate the last surviving example of an endangered species, they could easily remove the recipe in question.

I tried shopping the idea around to a few publishers, but nobody ever responded. I had a really great recipe for condor wings too...would have been great for a superbowl party!

Wasn't there a horrible Mathew Brodrick/Marlon Brando film about eating endangered species?


Yes, but then it turned out Brando was scamming people and they were actually eating turkey and the money they raised was secretly used to send the endangered animal to a sanctuary. And it was called "The Freshman."
 
2009-12-21 11:32:48 PM  
I wonder how much habitat destruction is caused by trees dying because of sweat poisoning from tree hugging hippies and how much pollution from spotted owl poop?

Gentlemen, we have a research proposal for a government grant!
 
2009-12-21 11:34:32 PM  
cryinoutloud: BunkyBrewman: The earth's population is going to more than triple in the next century. (less than 7 billion today to more than 21 billion) Do you really believe we can reverse climate change?

It's not going to go that high. We'd all be dead before the planet could support anything like that. Most estimates think it's going to level out at about 10 billion.

Or else.


So very much this, but that's the one thing nobody really wants to talk about. I appreciate that medical science can help me out with a broken arm so that I don't die of infection or blood poisoning, but if I'm genetically predisposed to a life-threatening illness by the time I hit 30, man, just let me go because the future does not need my genes. And god forbid I should be 80 and suffering, and asking to die, no, can't pull the plug because that's murder. Unplanned pregnancy? Tough, can't let you murder a tiny cluster of cells, have to get that resource-hog out in full force, you're going to carry that baby to term, damn you! Let's say we get to 10 billion before Climate Change really starts to affect us. Overpopulation will be the next big freakout, and it's going to be seriously intense.

We need a good dose of Captain Tripps or something.
 
2009-12-21 11:35:49 PM  
on a long enough timeline everybody's chance of survival is zero.
 
2009-12-21 11:35:53 PM  
I thought we were already seeing it. Aren't most of the large carnivores on this planet endangered?
 
2009-12-21 11:36:19 PM  
feanturi:
We need a good dose of Captain Tripps or something.


when society collapses, the first people i'm going to shoot are the environmentalists.

smug bastards.
 
2009-12-21 11:36:56 PM  
We need a government run program which implements action to sterilize the general population. This would be best done by tainting the water supply and run a negative population growth rate. Right now, in the U.S. we are about 2.1-2.3 so barely above replenishment. Uneducated individuals on the continent of Africa, South America, the middle east and parts of Asia run far higher population growth rates.

We need an international effort by Western countries to keep those populations from growing. The same tactic should be used to sterilize large portions of the population. We need to see an equal percent population decrease in all races and sectors.

I'd be willing to make the decision and i believe, in the long term if there is no consensus on global population control we could be farking towards extinction. I'd be willing to give my rights up to procreate if others would too.

Do your part world. If you care for posterity you will wrap your tool and/or realize you're going to die someway, somehow. Save this planet for others because, you are not the end all be all of this race.

P.S.
/1/4 of the defense budget should be repartitioned to investigating the possibility of inter-planetary colonization.
 
2009-12-21 11:37:53 PM  
"Planet of Weeds" article from 1998:

Link (new window)
 
2009-12-21 11:37:59 PM  
whatshisname: I thought we were already seeing it. Aren't most of the large carnivores on this planet endangered?

if God didn't want everything to end up on a backyard barbeque grill, then He wouldn't have given us Worcestershire sauce.
 
2009-12-21 11:38:12 PM  
Oh also, I'm not trolling. China is going in the right direction by quelling their population.
 
2009-12-21 11:39:22 PM  
I'll just leave this here(p).
 
2009-12-21 11:40:38 PM  
IKanHazaBukkit: We need an international effort by Western countries to keep those populations from growing.

oh that's easy enough - just invade them every couple of years.
 
2009-12-21 11:52:22 PM  
HtmFAIL

Take two:
www.hbci.com
 
2009-12-21 11:56:09 PM  
Oh hey, what do ya know? We're all going to die.

I've heard this before and I'm sure in 30 years I'll be reading another article about my impending death in my hover tube.
 
2009-12-21 11:58:36 PM  
wadek5: The Incredible Sexual Egg: FTA
researchers shows that between 15 and 42 percent of the mammals in North America disappeared after humans arrived

It's good to see they could narrow that down


Ah, "researchers." 60% of the time, they're right every time.


99% of all of the species that have ever inhabited this planet are now extinct. As for the numbers in the article, 74% of all statistics are fabricated on the spot.
 
2009-12-22 12:02:26 AM  
How do you think evolution happens? Organisms get stressed and adapt. Did you think the earth was going to be static from now on? If we kill ourselves and 99.9% of every other life form, the earth will recover and new species will emerge. Species come and go and the universe doesn't give a crap. Momma nature's a biatch. Deal with it.
 
2009-12-22 12:07:00 AM  
jjorsett: How do you think evolution happens? Organisms get stressed and adapt. Did you think the earth was going to be static from now on? If we kill ourselves and 99.9% of every other life form, the earth will recover and new species will emerge. Species come and go and the universe doesn't give a crap. Momma nature's a biatch. Deal with it.

Pretty much this.
 
2009-12-22 12:10:18 AM  
It's because humans have impeded elephants, and bird migration.
 
2009-12-22 12:12:11 AM  
Mensa membership conceding
tell me why and how are all the stupid people breeding
Watson, it's really elementary
the industrial revolution
has flipped the biatch on evolution
 
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