Witness the spread of the "I got mine, fark you" syndrome.

'...said the situation with its resulting accusation was an "odd event," and that EMTs generally consider their jobs to be a 24-hour kind of thing.

"Our people tend to spring into action whether they're on duty, off duty, whatever they're doing," said Robert Ungar, spokesman for the Uniformed EMTS and Paramedics, FDNY.'

I think you don't see the problem.

IF they're in uniform, and on duty, they have something called a "duty to act." They are in big farking trouble if you ask me. However, they probably won't be fired or anything, since they're in a union.

IIRC, FDNY EMTs are represented by the Teamsters of all things. At least when NYC Health & Hospitals ran NYCEMS, they were. Not sure if the Teamsters are still repping them after FDNY took over NYCEMS in 1996.

Alacritous: Witness the spread of the "I got mine, fark you" syndrome.

Or typical lazy union workers who don't give a damn. It plays well in either direction.

/Disproves of this as much as I disprove of how much the show sucks now.

Kyosuke: Your Faith is Creepy: gods, you right-wing anti-union types are sleazy.

Wow, I've never been called "right-wing" before. How dare you insult me like that.

\I'm a libtard, you dimwit.
\\unions suck.

I'm not a right-winger either. I think the proof will be in the pudding. If the union protects these shiatbags, then it's hardly propaganda. It exemplifies how corrupt the unions are and how stereotypical their actions have become.

I have a friend that is a firefighter/EMT.. and she tells me that she's always on duty, and that's the way she views her job.

I wonder (judging by name) if the victim was black..wonder if race/location/look of the person played into this.

ScubaDude1960: I think I see the problem.

Weaver95: Or typical lazy union workers who don't give a damn.

HURR DURR UNIONS ARE BAD

u have to get the money before u can help, it is the corporate way.

GAT_00: ScubaDude1960: I think I see the problem.

Weaver95: Or typical lazy union workers who don't give a damn.

HURR DURR UNIONS ARE BAD

I think the best part of fark these days is watching you fall flat on your face in EVERY thread.

Your Faith is Creepy: question_dj: Kyosuke: Your Faith is Creepy: gods, you right-wing anti-union types are sleazy.

Wow, I've never been called "right-wing" before. How dare you insult me like that.

\I'm a libtard, you dimwit.
\\unions suck.

I'm not a right-winger either. I think the proof will be in the pudding. If the union protects these shiatbags, then it's hardly propaganda. It exemplifies how corrupt the unions are and how stereotypical their actions have become.

Of course the union is going to "protect" these shiatbags; that's their job. I'm just reacting to the usual rush-to-judgment mode where any time a union employee does something that appears beyond the pale, it's automatically the fault of unions and the labor movement. Based on my read of TFA, unions have fark all to do with it.

Anyone in their right mind would not protect the jobs of shiatbags like these two. That is why people like me dislike unions. Where a normal person and/or company would fire cretins like this, a union protects them and attempts to retain their employment. That is incorrigible and sends the wrong message.

There is no excuse for this seeing how their job is to be first responders.

Weaver95: I think the best part of fark these days is watching you fall flat on your face in EVERY thread.

I don't believe I have, but that I suppose is open to interpretation. I suspect a poll would be fairly along ideological lines though. Care to elucidate?

Dr.Knockboots: I wonder (judging by name) if the victim was black.

Donna Chang thinks you sound racist. What next? Sickle cell affects black people more? Black people have more skin pigment? Monster. We're all alike in every way.

There were four buddies-an architect,a chemist,an accountant, and a union teamster, and they were having a friendly arguement on whose dog was the smartest. They decided to make a friendly wager, then set out to prove their canine's talents.
First, the architect calls his dog over, whose name was "slide rule". He give the dog the signal, and slide rule takes a pencil and paper and a ruler, and draws a straight line, with a perfect circle and square centered on the line. All were semi impressed, except the teamster.
Then the chemist calls his dog over, whos name was "measure". Measure takes a quart of milk, then pours the milk into 4 glasses, each measuring precisely one cup. The teamster still scoffs at this, even though the others are impressed.
It's the accountant's turn, and he calls over his dog, whose name is division. Division opens a bag of cookies and divides them into piles of 24,12,6,and 3. The others congratulate the accountant, again except for the teamster, who scoffs at this too. Everyone is annoyed now and wants to see what the teamster's dog can do.
Teamster calls his dog over, who's name is "Coffee Break".
Coffee Break ate the cookies, drank the milk, crapped on the paper, humped the other dogs and injured his back in the process, filed for worker's comp and went home on sick pay!

True story.

Talon: but some places do have draconian rules like that to avoid lawsuits.

Wouldn't surprise me, considering that this day and age you could get sued just for looking at someone the wrong way. Funny, though, that now the family of the deceased are contemplating legal action. So...do your job off of duty and potentially get sued...or ignore someone, they die, and potentially get sued.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Welcome to America.

/sometimes you just have to do what's right and not what's correct

Axias: Please, Union or not, these are just two dickheads. They better PRAY their names aren't released.
/blackballing happens

Re-read TFA. Their names, just like with Prego, are in there.

xanadian: Wouldn't surprise me, considering that this day and age you could get sued just for looking at someone the wrong way. Funny, though, that now the family of the deceased are contemplating legal action. So...do your job off of duty and potentially get sued...or ignore someone, they die, and potentially get sued.

No, there's no rule like that.

You can stop and render aid at anytime, on or off-duty, as a first responder.

GAT_00: Weaver95: I think the best part of fark these days is watching you fall flat on your face in EVERY thread.

I don't believe I have, but that I suppose is open to interpretation. I suspect a poll would be fairly along ideological lines though. Care to elucidate?

why bother? you've made it abundantly clear you don't read what I write.

A source within the union said, "If the charges are true, why should we go out on a limb to defend these two and hurt our own good reputation?"

Look at them shamelessly circling the wagons.

Kyosuke: Your Faith is Creepy: gods, you right-wing anti-union types are sleazy.

Wow, I've never been called "right-wing" before. How dare you insult me like that.

\I'm a libtard, you dimwit.
\\unions suck.

Unions may or may not suck. Public sector unions suck like a Hoover on Lewinsky mode and what they are sucking is your tax money into their pensions.

mycatisposter: ScubaDude1960: FTA: "A spokesman for the EMT union..."

I think I see the problem.

This. Luckily this will never happen under Obamacare.

/ducks

If they had not gone on duty yet, they had no more duty to act than any other person.

Also, the article says they were dispatchers who were cross trained as EMT's.

This mean they didn't have an ambulance, or supplies, or anything to help the woman except a phone to call 911 and to hold her hand and make sure she had an airway.