I don't understand the Browns. It seems that they always have some absurdly bonkers rushing performance during each season (or allow one...), yet generally can't run the ball through a paper bag.

Well it is a step in the right direction, they're at least beating crappy teams now!

Man who catch fly with chopstick accomplish anything.
-- Mr. Miyagi

Jim Brown is more concerned that a new football "Czar" will limit both his access to & influence on Randy Lerner.

That would be a good thing, according to me.

Alternate headline:

Dumbassmitter doesn't understand that the Browns still playing hard this late into a lost season might have something to do with coaching.

I like mine better.

cue the angry steelers fans

I still think the browns just got a bad shake this season and pretty much every season since they have come back, they had no chance at beating any of the first 4 teams they played against... All of them except maybe Minnesota are going to the play offs and are great teams , so a team that is in the process of rebuilding has to face 4 play off level teams right off the bat? How is that at all fair? Winning games after that just becomes impossible because your confidence is killed and you have no shot at the post season.

Mangini's career record: 26-35. 1 playoff appearance, 2 winning seasons (10-6, 9-7) In 2007 went 4-12, I guess the Patriots weren't the only ones illegally taping the Jets that year, eh?

If I were the Browns I'd pay Bill Cowher whatever it takes to get him to coach and be done with it. Either that or just continue to suck for a few more years, which is more likely.

To be fair, they're improving as the season goes along and with the lack of talent they have no one expected big things from them. Also, kicking out a coach after one season usually doesn't make other coaches want to take the job.

On the other hand, it's Mangini.

I'm thinking Mangini stays but Holmgren takes over all non-coaching duties.

Haha, Browns beat a team that doesn't belong in the NFL, check out this article I found on the CHiefs! Very funny

http://www.tauntr.com/content/espncom-removes-kansas-city-chiefs-nfl-team-listi n gs

tauntr86: Haha, Browns beat a team that doesn't belong in the NFL, check out this article I found on the CHiefs! Very funny

http://www.tauntr.com/content/espncom-removes-kansas-city-chiefs-nfl-team-listi n gs

Nobody cares about your unfunny blog.

Browns Fan, and I don't like the guy really, but you can't fire a head coach after one season... you just can't. He hasnt done or said anything that would precipitate that kind of action. He got rid of some head cases in Braylon and Winslow - both of whom had pro-bowl years in the past but were clearly not at that level this year. Neither has become a world beater since then which means they weren't horrible trades - especially if there were a problem in the clubhouse (not saying they were but thats a relative unknown to the fans).

Assuming Holmgren comes in and doesnt let all those draft picks go to waste Mangini deserves a chance to coach with "his" guys.

Quinn might not be "The Guy" but its pretty obvious the receivers we have right now are not making him look better than he his - and perhaps significantly worse. We're probably going to grab one of those big D linemen in round one then draft corners and wide-outs like they were going out of style for rounds 2-6.

If we still suck after next year (worse than 7-9) then by all means take a QB in 2011.

Unless Holmgren arrives in town with Bill Cowher tucked into his luggage I just don't see firing Mangini and giving some other unproven coach a shot as a necessary move.

8_octave_8 2009-12-21 02:46:38 PM Mangini's career record: 26-35. 1 playoff appearance, 2 winning seasons (10-6, 9-7) In 2007 went 4-12, I guess the Patriots weren't the only ones illegally taping the Jets that year, eh? If I were the Browns I'd pay Bill Cowher whatever it takes to get him to coach and be done with it. Either that or just continue to suck for a few more years, which is more likely.
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I want him on the Steelers as special teams coach.

/A man can dream!

Jim Brown wears funny hats.

oldsbone: forkandspoon2008: I still think the browns just got a bad shake this season and pretty much every season since they have come back, they had no chance at beating any of the first 4 teams they played against... All of them except maybe Minnesota are going to the play offs and are great teams , so a team that is in the process of rebuilding has to face 4 play off level teams right off the bat? How is that at all fair? Winning games after that just becomes impossible because your confidence is killed and you have no shot at the post season.

Wait, at 11-3, Minnesota's maybe not going to the playoffs-even after they've clinched their division? If there's some new rule (let's call it the San Diego clause) that lets the NFL bypass league champions for playoff participation, don't you think we would have heard about it by now? Or are you planning on blowing up the team bus next week?

Sorry , I haven't been paying attention to the Vikings this season I knew they were doing good this year but didn't know/care what their actual record was but knew the other teams were going to the play offs.

forkandspoon2008: All of them except maybe Minnesota are going to the play offs and are great teams.

I know the Vikings basically suck, but the NFC North and AFC West do get to send a team to the playoffs, even they really shouldn't be allowed to.

Donnchadha: Who the hell is that guy and why should we care? It's not like he holds the Brown's Browns' single game rushing record or anything.

The grammar nazi has struck.

/Jim Brown holds many Browns' records, but one record is not longer Brown's

There has to be some stability. I think Holmgren and Mangini can coexist (at least for a season).

Mangini acquired those picks, so let him stick around and make use of the new players next year.

But lets be honest here. If it wasn't for Josh Cribbs, we would have lost. And Mangini isn't responsible for the beast that Cribbs is. Then, the previous game, the Steelers pretty much decided not to block pass rushers.

unclejimbo827: forkandspoon2008: All of them except maybe Minnesota are going to the play offs and are great teams.

I know the Vikings basically suck, but the NFC North and AFC West do get to send a team to the playoffs, even they really shouldn't be allowed to.

AFC West might be sending two teams actually

BKITU: unclejimbo827: I know the Vikings basically suck, but the NFC North and AFC West do get to send a team to the playoffs, even they really shouldn't be allowed to.

HURR DERP

I'm sorry, were your gentle sensibilities violated by the assertion that the Minnesota Vikings losing to the powerhouse Carolina Panthers diminished their worth? Or perhaps that perennial juggernauts Oakland and Kansas City do not a good conference make?

unclejimbo827: BKITU: unclejimbo827: I know the Vikings basically suck, but the NFC North and AFC West do get to send a team to the playoffs, even they really shouldn't be allowed to.

HURR DERP

I'm sorry, were your gentle sensibilities violated by the assertion that the Minnesota Vikings losing to the powerhouse Carolina Panthers diminished their worth? Or perhaps that perennial juggernauts Oakland and Kansas City do not a good conference make?

Perhaps you should learn the difference between a division and a conference before you try to break down which divisions are the best in the NFL.

Jimmy Johnson: 1-15 his first year. Just sayin'.

mjoven1975: Perhaps you should learn the difference between a division and a conference before you try to break down which divisions are the best in the NFL.

I misspoke (mistyped? eh, whatever), big farking deal. Not that I'd ever expect you to make a mistake.

BKITU: More that you think a team with an 11-3 record shouldn't be allowed to go to the playoffs.

Have you watched the Vikings this year? As nominal Vikings fan... I guess... I've seen every snap they've taken this year. I was exaggerating their inevitable playoff woes, of course,(welcome to Fark) but between the poor offensive line play, the loss of EJ Henderson opening up the middle for even the likes of farkING MATT MOORE JESUS fark VIKINGS, and Favre being Favre the last couple games ("Adrian Wilson, DRC, and two other guys all on Sidney Rice? Sounds like good odds to me!"), it's very apparent they peaked over a month ago. Let's look at the other potential playoff teams: DeSean Jackson would shiat down their safeties' necks, the Saints would make the aforementioned rapejob look like something you'd set to a Marvin Gaye album to, Arizona already beat them, and frankly I don't think they'd beat the Packers a third time now that their offensive line is straightened out and the Vikings' is playing so poorly. I suppose we don't really know who the sixth team is yet, but I can't say I'd be optimistic unless it's the Cowboys or something (Wade Phillips, after all)

Look at the Vikings' schedule: Browns, Lions, Niners, Pack, Rams, Ravens, Steelers, Pack again, Lions, Seahawks, Bears, Cards, Bengals, and that abomination of a game played last night, with the Bears again and the Giants to come. This is basically the easiest schedule in the league. What of those teams strikes fear into your heart (you know, in the football sense)? shiat, what above .500 teams did they beat? Well, I'll just list them: the Ravens (a team above .500 by a game by a field goal), the Packers twice (who are a much different team than they were two months ago, having won 5 in a row recently), and the Bengals (who are shiatting the bed as of late). Records can be deceiving.


cliffnotes: the Vikings are the Vikings

BKITU: unclejimbo827: mjoven1975: Perhaps you should learn the difference between a division and a conference before you try to break down which divisions are the best in the NFL.

I misspoke (mistyped? eh, whatever), big farking deal. Not that I'd ever expect you to make a mistake.

BKITU: More that you think a team with an 11-3 record shouldn't be allowed to go to the playoffs.

Have you watched the Vikings this year? As nominal Vikings fan... I guess... I've seen every snap they've taken this year. I was exaggerating their inevitable playoff woes, of course,(welcome to Fark) but between the poor offensive line play, the loss of EJ Henderson opening up the middle for even the likes of farkING MATT MOORE JESUS fark VIKINGS, and Favre being Favre the last couple games ("Adrian Wilson, DRC, and two other guys all on Sidney Rice? Sounds like good odds to me!"), it's very apparent they peaked over a month ago. Let's look at the other potential playoff teams: DeSean Jackson would shiat down their safeties' necks, the Saints would make the aforementioned rapejob look like something you'd set to a Marvin Gaye album to, Arizona already beat them, and frankly I don't think they'd beat the Packers a third time now that their offensive line is straightened out and the Vikings' is playing so poorly. I suppose we don't really know who the sixth team is yet, but I can't say I'd be optimistic unless it's the Cowboys or something (Wade Phillips, after all)

Look at the Vikings' schedule: Browns, Lions, Niners, Pack, Rams, Ravens, Steelers, Pack again, Lions, Seahawks, Bears, Cards, Bengals, and that abomination of a game played last night, with the Bears again and the Giants to come. This is basically the easiest schedule in the league. What of those teams strikes fear into your heart (you know, in the football sense)? shiat, what above .500 teams did they beat? Well, I'll just list them: the Ravens (a team above .500 by a game by a field goal), the Packers twice (who are a much different team than they were two months ago, having won 5 in a row recently), and the Bengals (who are shiatting the bed as of late). Records can be deceiving.


cliffnotes: the Vikings are the Vikings

That's nice. I was talking about the Chargers.

I know, you usually do until about mid-January :-).

/I had to defend the honor of the AFC West, even if we're supposed to hate each other

I wasn't 100% serious about the AFC West bit. It was a throwaway joke, you aren't a football fan if you can't laugh at the AFC west. I honestly wasn't even thinking about it, as I was replying to the idea that the Vikings weren't going to make the playoffs.

/you guys do get 4 free wins, though

unclejimbo827: I wasn't 100% serious about the AFC West bit. It was a throwaway joke, you aren't a football fan if you can't laugh at the AFC west. I honestly wasn't even thinking about it, as I was replying to the idea that the Vikings weren't going to make the playoffs.

/you guys do get 4 free wins, though

The Raiders have beat four teams that are going to the playoffs. They aren't the gimme that they used to be. San Diego *vomit* is a legitimate Super Bowl contender. The Broncos still have the inside track to the Wild Card. The division isn't that bad.

The Chiefs blow, I think we can all agree on that.

mjoven1975: unclejimbo827: I wasn't 100% serious about the AFC West bit. It was a throwaway joke, you aren't a football fan if you can't laugh at the AFC west. I honestly wasn't even thinking about it, as I was replying to the idea that the Vikings weren't going to make the playoffs.

/you guys do get 4 free wins, though

The Raiders have beat four three teams that are going to the playoffs. They aren't the gimme that they used to be. San Diego *vomit* is a legitimate Super Bowl contender. The Broncos still have the inside track to the Wild Card. The division isn't that bad.

The Chiefs blow, I think we can all agree on that.

FTFM

It might end up being four, but likely the Steelers will be sitting home in January.

Sherjo311: cue the angry steelers fans

the steelers are a bit odd this year -- i think anyone would say the chargers and vikings are top 10 if not top 5 teams at this point, and the steelers shut down the chargers and won vs the vikes also. throw the win vs gb, and the win vs the broncos, and i'll even throw the win vs the titans in there, though they certainly were not a good team week 1.

on the flip side of that, they've lost to every AFC team that's been eliminated.

/if they make it in
//at least the teams that they play will have winning records??