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(Guardian)   Israel admits harvesting organs from Palestinians who didn't need them any more. Predictably, the anti-semites are making this sound bad   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 520
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2009-12-20 05:56:50 PM
China Still does it, except they keep their 'falun gong worshippers' alive until someone needs the organ.. They are all tissue-matched and ready for your needs.

Israel saying, "No we didn't", and now recanting "Yeah, we did it" should give you accurate insight as to 'how they roll'.

If these examples of inhumanity aren't cassus belli, then there are none. Instead, we'll see billions of our tax dollars go to both countrys.

/expect to see this story worsen, as you can't really harvest from dead people, which blows a big hole in their latest story.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2009-12-20 06:26:08 PM
Axias: If these examples of inhumanity aren't cassus belli, then there are none.

Cassus belli is an opportunity for war, not an obligation. The world can be divided into countries that are already at war with Israel, that can't take on Israel without getting their asses kicked, that can't hurt Israel, and America and a few other countries with the ability to project power who aren't interested in wiping Israel off the map.

At most this will cause Jewish lobbyists in Washington to work a little harder.
 
2009-12-20 06:27:54 PM
And they chop down Palestinian olive trees, which I object to even more strongly.
 
2009-12-20 06:32:53 PM
What the what, Israel?!
 
2009-12-20 06:39:34 PM
Meh.
 
2009-12-20 06:40:44 PM
I wonder what they can do with cash that needs cleaned up?
 
2009-12-20 06:54:40 PM
Casus belli is a Latin expression meaning the justification for acts of war. (Wikipedia)

My point is, if a country starts pulling this crap, it's a justification for any other country which takes offense at it to go to war.

The Palestinian side of the story is that they would abduct people for organ harvesting, which sadly, is pretty much how you'd have to do it to have a chance at transplant.

/didn't want to believe it, but meh..
 
2009-12-20 07:11:57 PM
Weaver95: Meh.

This is totally a shocking reaction coming from you.
 
2009-12-20 07:12:13 PM
You know who else did shiat like this?
 
2009-12-20 07:37:22 PM
cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: Meh.

This is totally a shocking reaction coming from you.


it's not like I can do anything about it.
 
2009-12-20 07:46:05 PM
GAT_00: You know who else did shiat like this?

It's not like they made lampshades out of the body parts from people they killed...

Israeli abhorrent acts are justified because someone else did more abhorrent acts.

I will refer to this as the "Jewbacca Defense"

Case dismissed.
 
2009-12-20 07:46:16 PM
Weaver95: it's not like I can do anything about it.

Yeah, because the appropriate reaction is to not give a shiat to human rights abuses. Of course, it is you.
 
2009-12-20 07:50:19 PM
GAT_00: Weaver95: it's not like I can do anything about it.

Yeah, because the appropriate reaction is to not give a shiat to human rights abuses. Of course, it is you.


i'm flattered you think I have the power to punish Israel for this sort of abuse, but believe me - there's nothing I can do about it.
 
2009-12-20 07:52:42 PM
Weaver95: i'm flattered you think I have the power to punish Israel for this sort of abuse, but believe me - there's nothing I can do about it.

That isn't the point and you know it. You give Israel a pass on a lot these days, including apparantly human rights.
 
2009-12-20 07:57:00 PM
Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: it's not like I can do anything about it.

Yeah, because the appropriate reaction is to not give a shiat to human rights abuses. Of course, it is you.

i'm flattered you think I have the power to punish Israel for this sort of abuse, but believe me - there's nothing I can do about it.


There's nothing I can do about torture on the part of American interrogators, either. Doesn't mean I don't want to stop it. Way to miss the point, comrade.
 
2009-12-20 08:03:02 PM
I'm sure an apology for all that talk of "blood libel" will be forthcoming. Any minute now.
 
2009-12-20 08:03:39 PM
The world according to Weaver:

Blatant abuse of human rights: Meh
Government spending: ZOMGWHARRGARBL
 
2009-12-20 08:03:52 PM
Weaver95

i'm flattered you think I have the power to punish Israel for this sort of abuse, but believe me - there's nothing I can do about it

I myself plan to make a nice bagel and lox sandwich for breakfast tomorrow, but defile it before I eat it with a slice of crispy bacon.

/take that jew oppressors
 
2009-12-20 08:05:25 PM
cameroncrazy1984: There's nothing I can do about torture on the part of American interrogators, either.


actually, you have a greater chance of doing something about US torture than you do about whatever the hell Israel is up to these days. Just keep pressuring your elected officials to do something about it. Never let up. And get everyone else you know involved. Don't settle for a brush off and a shallow compromise either - push until you get some accountability.

But that might mean making Obama look bad. so I doubt you'll do it.
 
2009-12-20 08:10:33 PM
Weaver95: Just keep pressuring your elected officials to do something about it.

Huh. If only this applied to some kind of lobbying done by some kind of foreign country that we give aid to...if only.
 
2009-12-20 08:16:17 PM
Weaver95: But that might mean making Obama look bad. so I doubt you'll do it.

Ah, I see, politics is what matters here. Not human lives. Classy.
 
2009-12-20 08:19:55 PM
GAT_00: Weaver95: But that might mean making Obama look bad. so I doubt you'll do it.

Ah, I see, politics is what matters here. Not human lives. Classy.


that's very arrogant of you.
 
2009-12-20 08:20:31 PM
Weaver95: that's very arrogant of you.

Your accusing me of arrogance for pointing out your own words? Nice.
 
2009-12-20 08:22:57 PM
GAT_00: The world according to Weaver:

Blatant abuse of human rights: Meh
Government spending: ZOMGWHARRGARBL


In his defense you are comparing US government actions to Israeli government actions. I'm betting Weaver95 is probably American and therefore can vote and/or pester his representatives. You can't exactly do the same when you are talking about another country.

Of course if you had a quote from Weaver using human rights violations to support the war in Iraq, now would be an awfully good time to post it.
 
2009-12-20 08:26:08 PM
Weaver95: Meh.

i mean, it's not like they're human, amirite, Gary?
 
2009-12-20 08:26:58 PM
GAT_00: Weaver95: that's very arrogant of you.

Your accusing me of arrogance for pointing out your own words? Nice.


lighten up francis.
 
2009-12-20 08:28:08 PM
FlashHarry: Weaver95: Meh.

i mean, it's not like they're human, amirite, Gary?


whoops. Weaver. lol. i just assumed that was a PDX answer.
 
2009-12-20 08:31:22 PM
Weaver95: Meh.


its not like IDF went into their homes and kidnapped these people.
these are hardened criminals that cross the boarder and attack people of Israel.
then again, leave it to fark to have a hate on israel parade for no reason. at least when i complain its for valid reasons (white phosphorus) ... you are complaining about a prefectly legal action that is helping human kind become better. take away from the scum terrorists and give it to rich deserving families.
 
2009-12-20 08:31:28 PM
GAT_00: Weaver95: that's very arrogant of you.

Your accusing me of arrogance for pointing out your own words? Nice.


No, i'm saying it's arrogant to assume you (or me, for that matter) have the ability to punish Israel for their actions. i'm just one guy on a random internet discussion forum. ok, and I've got a blog. But still - nothing I say will affect the world in the slightest.

I can reasonably assume to influence my local politicans. And if I worked my ass off I *might* have some small impact on state politics...but nationally? forget it. And my ability to influence the affairs of other nations is non-existent.

do what you can with what you've got. getting worked up about things you can't change will just drive you nutty. why you (and others) assume that your outrage can affect how Israel does business is entirely beyond me. It strikes me as arrogant, not to mention slightly delusional.
 
2009-12-20 08:33:44 PM
Weaver95: No, i'm saying it's arrogant to assume you (or me, for that matter) have the ability to punish Israel for their actions.

So you're still missing the entire point here? So why condemn China, Russia, Iran, Iraq, or really anyone else for rights abuses, but not Israel? Why do you think you, in your own words, influence events there, but not in Israel? Or do you just refuse to criticize Israel?
 
2009-12-20 08:36:09 PM
GAT_00: So you're still missing the entire point here? So why condemn China, Russia, Iran, Iraq, or really anyone else for rights abuses, but not Israel? Why do you think you, in your own words, influence events there, but not in Israel? Or do you just refuse to criticize Israel?

oh I think it's reprehensible. But i'm not jumping up and down on the living room couch and screaming my fool head off about it like you are.

face it - there's nothing we can do about it.
 
2009-12-20 08:38:05 PM
Weaver95: face it - there's nothing we can do about it.

Then why jump up and down in the past? Why the sudden change of attitude? Oh, right, Israel. Who you refuse to criticize.
 
2009-12-20 08:38:47 PM
Weaver95: face it - there's nothing we can do about it.

The cynicism is strong with this one.
 
2009-12-20 08:39:10 PM
GAT_00: Weaver95: face it - there's nothing we can do about it.

Then why jump up and down in the past? Why the sudden change of attitude? Oh, right, Israel. Who you refuse to criticize.


*sigh*

that point just went zooming right over your head....

won't be the last time either, I'm sure.
 
2009-12-20 08:40:06 PM
Weaver95: that point just went zooming right over your head....

And dodges the question!
 
2009-12-20 08:40:37 PM
Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: that's very arrogant of you.

Your accusing me of arrogance for pointing out your own words? Nice.

No, i'm saying it's arrogant to assume you (or me, for that matter) have the ability to punish Israel for their actions. i'm just one guy on a random internet discussion forum. ok, and I've got a blog. But still - nothing I say will affect the world in the slightest.

I can reasonably assume to influence my local politicans. And if I worked my ass off I *might* have some small impact on state politics...but nationally? forget it. And my ability to influence the affairs of other nations is non-existent.

do what you can with what you've got. getting worked up about things you can't change will just drive you nutty. why you (and others) assume that your outrage can affect how Israel does business is entirely beyond me. It strikes me as arrogant, not to mention slightly delusional.


Apparently you're not familiar with the concept of zeitgeist? If enough people become outraged enough times, then over time perceptions and attitudes will change. Look at the black civil rights struggle; look at the gay civil rights struggle. Have you forgotten already what an unprecedented, historic thing it was that we just elected our first black POTUS? It wasn't any one person doing any one thing that brought that about; it was a gradual, incremental, but far-reaching shift of attitude on the part of millions of Americans.

Dismiss the power of the zeitgeist at your peril.
 
2009-12-20 08:41:02 PM
I would do a facepalm, but both were harvested.
 
2009-12-20 08:41:45 PM
jmaster306: Weaver95: face it - there's nothing we can do about it.

The cynicism is strong with this one.


If I were running the show, I'd handle things differently. But telling me I should be all up in arms over something that happened over 10 years ago in a country on the other side of the world makes no sense to me. what am I gonna do? send them a harshly worded blog entry? like that'll change things for the better...
 
2009-12-20 08:46:42 PM
Your Faith is Creepy: Apparently you're not familiar with the concept of zeitgeist? If enough people become outraged enough times, then over time perceptions and attitudes will change.

in this culture? c'mon dude. our pundits base entire careers around manufacturing outrage in order to manipulate the governement into passing laws the they want. In this day and age, the only way to be a true rebel is to be a cynic.

Look at the black civil rights struggle; look at the gay civil rights struggle. Have you forgotten already what an unprecedented, historic thing it was that we just elected our first black POTUS? It wasn't any one person doing any one thing that brought that about; it was a gradual, incremental, but far-reaching shift of attitude on the part of millions of Americans.

i'd say you misunderstood the underlying historical/economic forces behind most of those changes....but far be it for me to harsh your zietgeist buzz.

Dismiss the power of the zeitgeist at your peril.

burn K street to the ground first, and we'll talk.
 
2009-12-20 08:50:58 PM
Weaver95: burn K street to the ground first, and we'll talk.

Yeah, like K street hasn't always been with us, in one form or another.
 
2009-12-20 08:51:56 PM
Weaver95: Your Faith is Creepy: Apparently you're not familiar with the concept of zeitgeist? If enough people become outraged enough times, then over time perceptions and attitudes will change.

in this culture? c'mon dude. our pundits base entire careers around manufacturing outrage in order to manipulate the governement into passing laws the they want. In this day and age, the only way to be a true rebel is to be a cynic.

Look at the black civil rights struggle; look at the gay civil rights struggle. Have you forgotten already what an unprecedented, historic thing it was that we just elected our first black POTUS? It wasn't any one person doing any one thing that brought that about; it was a gradual, incremental, but far-reaching shift of attitude on the part of millions of Americans.

i'd say you misunderstood the underlying historical/economic forces behind most of those changes....but far be it for me to harsh your zietgeist buzz.

Dismiss the power of the zeitgeist at your peril.

burn K street to the ground first, and we'll talk.


Way to move the goalposts, dude. At first you're talking about the futility of hoping to have an impact on world affairs, which the zeitgeist can actually do (to cite yet another example, look at world attitudes towards America pre-9/11, immediately post-9/11, and a year after the invasion of Iraq), but now you want the zeitgeist to pass laws and burn down K Street? I think you misunderestimate your own understanding of the dynamics at work here.

The zeitgeist can't burn down K Street, but it can make enough people apathetic enough that they won't do anything when K Street is torched. Let's see, how could we spread such apathy? How about... responding to admissions of organ harvesting, a serious human rights violation, with a single syllable indicating bored dismissal? Yeah, that ought to do it.
 
2009-12-20 08:53:17 PM
How about being honest there Subby - FTFA - "Channel 2 TV reported that in the 1990s, specialists at Abu Kabir harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from the bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers, often without permission from relatives."

And it was informally done, no big Jewish conspiracy.
 
2009-12-20 08:54:58 PM
Your Faith is Creepy: The zeitgeist can't burn down K Street, but it can make enough people apathetic enough that they won't do anything when K Street is torched. Let's see, how could we spread such apathy? How about... responding to admissions of organ harvesting, a serious human rights violation, with a single syllable indicating bored dismissal? Yeah, that ought to do it.

so you're saying I really AM all powerful? duuuude....

i'm gonna recompile the matrix to let everyone fly!
 
2009-12-20 08:57:26 PM
some things should just be left unsaid especially if said practice had been stopped and hasn't been done in over a decade.
 
2009-12-20 08:57:54 PM
The story is hard to follow. If I understand it, in 2000, Israel admitted that in the 1990's, it harvested some organs. The headline and subby imply this is going on now.
 
2009-12-20 08:58:06 PM
Watching Weaver back pedal all over this thread makes me chuckle.
 
2009-12-20 08:58:29 PM
Do they catch the organs with buckets after aslpoding them like a water balloon toss game?

/cuz that would be fun
 
2009-12-20 08:58:57 PM
Aftonbladet quoted Palestinians as saying young men from the West Bank and Gaza Strip had been seized by the Israeli forces and their bodies returned to their families with missing organs.



blog.oregonlive.com

/What Palestinian zombies may look like...
 
2009-12-20 09:00:10 PM
Also in the "meh" camp.

Israel isn't my country, and can do whatever the hell they want, and won't pay any attention to my opinion one way or another.

However, I bet they'd do a lot less of "whatever the hell they want" if we were to quit giving them money and promises of defense.
 
2009-12-20 09:00:17 PM
Subby's been harvesting a lot of straw.
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