He's spot on about Paul needing a good woman.

Makh: I often wondered why not as many people considered it like studying the divine creation or something. I didn't think looking at the stars would be a hard sell no matter what religion you were.

/Hail Pelor, the Sun Father

The Catholic Church agrees. That's why we have the Vatican Observatory. It was one of the centers of Astronomic research until the lights of Rome made it pretty much useless. So then we setup new satellite observatories at Castel Gandolfo, Italy and at Mount Graham in Arizona.

Despite the usual rhetoric here on Fark - not every religion hates science.

susansto-helit: urger: Makh: I often wondered why not as many people considered it like studying the divine creation or something. I didn't think looking at the stars would be a hard sell no matter what religion you were.

/Hail Pelor, the Sun Father

The Catholic Church agrees. That's why we have the Vatican Observatory. It was one of the centers of Astronomic research until the lights of Rome made it pretty much useless. So then we setup new satellite observatories at Castel Gandolfo, Italy and at Mount Graham in Arizona.

Despite the usual rhetoric here on Fark - not every religion hates science.

I'm sure Galileo is relieved.

How many hundreds of years ago was that?
We've evolved since then - or atleast we are supposed to. Unfortunately not every Catholic has gotten the memo.

The Icelander: The Catholics hated science plenty. And for the same reason that fundies hate it now: It erodes their power structure.

On the country - science is great! It is a holy act through which we grow closer to God. Humans are ordained to be co-creaters. We can only fulfill that role through science.

Yes there many (even a majority) of Catholics who dislike and even outright hate science. They are wrong. Science itself is not bad. It is the choices people make in the application of knowledge gained through science.

Knowledge is inherently good. It is the fallible choices which we humans make that can be bad. I won't debate you on those choices - we won't agree on many I'm sure. But the idea that science is evil, no. Science itself, the search for knowledge, that is a holy act.

The Icelander: urger: On the country - science is great! It is a holy act through which we grow closer to God. Humans are ordained to be co-creaters. We can only fulfill that role through science.

Tell that to Pope Paul V (^).

See early in the same post you replied too. We made a huge mistake. We've admitted it. I pray to God that we don't make another like that again (though I fear that we will).

So does that make a microscope like a chapel?

FTFH: 'Terry Pratchett: in my religion, the building of a telescope is the building of a cathedral'

What a farking pretentious moran/azzhat.

Terry Pratchett is brilliant. If you don't know him, you are missing a genius. Dickens was good; Pratchett is better.

Just finished re-reading my three favourite books, Pyramids, Small Gods and Jingo. Painfully and beautifully accurate in every thrust.

Oh and to our resident papist.. The Vatican observatory is a relatively good thing, but its instructive to note that the people working there are required to be careful not to go publishing anything contrary to church dogma regardless of their actual findings. This sadly taints any science they do.

In Terry Pratchett's religion, he occupies both the altar and all of the pews.

gaspode: Jingo

Don't particularly like Jingo. The Leonard of Quirm character is always a bit of a let down for me.

PartTimeBuddha: gaspode: Jingo

Don't particularly like Jingo. The Leonard of Quirm character is always a bit of a let down for me.

Its primarily things like the interaction of the Nobbs/Colon brainstrust on race that I like about it.

I find Leonard amusing though so *shrug* each to his own I guess.

I rather like telescopes and cathedrals. I think they're both pretty rad.

This is how we throw shiate at the other trees now.

douchebag/hater: FTFH: 'Terry Pratchett: in my religion, the building of a telescope is the building of a cathedral'

What a farking pretentious moran/azzhat.

3/10. A sub-par effort. Your username gave it away and your gimmick is lame.

urger: ...

Yes there many (even a majority) of Catholics who dislike and even outright hate science. ...

Seriously, where the hell did you get this little nugget of information? I'm Catholic, my entire family is Catholic, I went to Catholic grade school and Catholic high school. In my entire LIFE I have never met even ONE other Catholic who espoused even a moderate dislike for science let alone HATE science.

I'm sure there are some out there but I would have to say that if you wanted to make a blanket statement about one particular religious group hating science, Catholics would not make the top 10.

Criticize US Catholics for picking and choosing which parts of their Church's teaching they follow if you want, but outright fallacy probably isnt necessary here.

People keep telling me how great Pratchett is but I just can't seem to get interested in his books.

The pacing of his books starts slow, but increases exponentially, so by the end you have to run to keep up. It also helps if you read them in approximately the right order as things introduced in one book are carried on through the following books.

/friend bringing Hogfather over on X-mas day.

I've never heard him talk before. Didn't realize he sounded like that - does he have a speech impediment, or is that characteristic of his accent?

Did anyone else find the sound of the video to be oddly uncomfortable? Like there was too much bass or sound differences or something. I don't know but it started to give me a headache.

urger:
Despite the usual rhetoric here on Fark - not every religion hates science.

Maybe I'm too cynical, but I see it more as an attempt to assert (or keep) power. They can't suppress science any longer, but they can go along with it while accepting new members.
Personally, I'll always see religion as a detriment to our species, but I don't dislike religious people for being religious. Except Greek and Norse mythology, because those guys are awesome.

greentea1985

Ni!: He's spot on about Paul needing a good woman.

He's also spot on about the God of the Old Testament being a manic if you read the book without any presuppositions. I love Terry Pratchett and his books.

/Currently re-reading Hogfather, because it is the season.

What's great about Hogfather (well, one of the things), is that it gives an excellent reason for believing in things that don't exist.

/The only problem is when you decide that the things that don't exist want you to kill those people over there, or take their land, etc.

NotARocketScientist: People keep telling me how great Pratchett is but I just can't seem to get interested in his books.

The pacing of his books starts slow, but increases exponentially, so by the end you have to run to keep up. It also helps if you read them in approximately the right order as things introduced in one book are carried on through the following books.

/friend bringing Hogfather over on X-mas day.

I know the Wee Free Men series was meant for a youngish audience but damn if it wasn't the first book that has ever made me LAUGHTER OL

The Men-at-Arms series kept me entertained for months and once I started the one that includes Making Money and Going Postal! I found I couldn't put them down until I was done with each of them. That had the interesting side effect that it made me go on weekend-long reading binges for about a month or so.

/stupid alzheimer

OldGrover: urger: The Icelander: urger: On the country - science is great! It is a holy act through which we grow closer to God. Humans are ordained to be co-creaters. We can only fulfill that role through science.

Tell that to Pope Paul V (^).

See early in the same post you replied too. We made a huge mistake. We've admitted it. I pray to God that we don't make another like that again (though I fear that we will).

How does the Catholic belief in souls, forgiveness and redemption mesh with the neurological evidence, experiments and literature regarding personality changes after brain damage?

What happens to the soul when the personality changes due to physical damage?

Science is how.
Religion is why.

Commingling science with your religion? What could possibly go wrong?

urger:
Science is how.
Religion is why.

There has to be a how.
There does not have to be a why.

Why why?

The Icelander: urger: On the country - science is great! It is a holy act through which we grow closer to God. Humans are ordained to be co-creaters. We can only fulfill that role through science.

Tell that to Pope Paul V (^).

John Paul II already did. (new window)

Urger -
You stole my thunder. I agree with you totally and will go further. The Catholics were not against Galileo's heliocentrism; they were against Galileo himself. The G-man was arrogant and insulting to a new pope who was politically on shaky ground. The story could only end one way, to wit, the new pope had to take him down a peg. The previous pope supported Galileo's work.

Brilliant book - The History of Science from Antiquity to 1503 by ___ Principe, as near as I can recall.

The Big Bang "theory" was discovered by a Jesuit priest, who got not a little ridicule about it for years.

The Catholic heirarchy never went against Darwin's evolution, though Darwin himself had a crisis of faith because of it.

Catholic scholars shot down Columbus's shaky nonsense about sailing to India from Europe. They knew that Portugal to Japan was ~13 time zones, and the other 11 were just too far and too dangerous. They were right.

The Roman Catholic church has a mixed record because its record is sooooo long, but Science has never had a better benefactor.

It is a shame most of us know too little history to recognize when someone with an agenda is cherry-picking.

Geez, who knew - I've built 4 cathedrals.

/ cool story, bro