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(London Times)   Alcohol now costs less than water in British supermarkets. Naturally the Nanny State has a bloody huge problem with this   (timesonline.co.uk) divider line 119
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2009-12-20 04:37:52 AM  

the subby:

the Nanny State has a bloody huge problem with this
The article
Gordon Brown rejected the idea.
Subby fails basic reading.
 
2009-12-20 04:39:06 AM  
Sun God: It is impossible to find ice in Britain. They either hoard it, or don't know how to make it.

Really? Because every supermarket I know sells huge bags full of it.
 
2009-12-20 04:45:06 AM  
Virulency: RamblinReck89: I'm sure this is cheaper than water:



/doesn't buy bottled water so he wouldn't know

water tastes better too


Hell, urine probably tastes better too. Neither one will get you drunk though.
 
2009-12-20 05:00:22 AM  
gwowen: Sun God: It is impossible to find ice in Britain. They either hoard it, or don't know how to make it.

Really? Because every supermarket I know sells huge bags full of it.


Try to buy a glass of ice water in Britain.
 
2009-12-20 05:10:51 AM  
Don't raise the beer, lower the water!

/obscure rephrasing?
 
2009-12-20 05:15:00 AM  
Sun God: Try to buy a glass of ice water in Britain.

Have done. Thousands of times. With and without cordial -- with and without cider.
 
2009-12-20 05:26:42 AM  
gwowen: Sun God: Try to buy a glass of ice water in Britain.

Have done. Thousands of times. With and without cordial -- with and without cider.


Maybe I'm dated. In the US, the host will automatically give you a glass of cold water which includes ice. In the UK, asking for ice is like asking for plain cold water.
 
2009-12-20 05:54:38 AM  
Lets see, i can buy a 24 ounce can of Busch for $.99 in Ohio. If I'm lucky, I can get a 16 ounce bottle of store-brand water for about the same. Not that I'd want to drink Busch Lite anyway...
 
2009-12-20 05:54:44 AM  
Nanny State headline doesn't fit, subby, because the government will not be taking any action too reduce the appallingly high price of branded water.

Interesting looking at the prices they are quoting though. "I've done the Christmas booze shopping, dear. I have some good news and some bad news."
"What's the good news?"
"It's 50 pence a litre."
"What's the bad news?"
"It's 50 pence a litre"

Not exactly going to get any Chimay Grand Cru for that price.
 
2009-12-20 05:54:49 AM  
I'm probably in the minority but I think alcohol should be more expensive than water.
 
2009-12-20 06:27:05 AM  
Sun God: In the US, the host will automatically give you a glass of cold water which includes ice. In the UK, asking for ice is like asking for plain cold water.

In the US, it'll probably be hot enough to need iced water. Here, we're more likely to ask for a double gin and tonic and a mug of cocoa.
 
2009-12-20 06:31:36 AM  
Anodos: kidsizedcoffin: Whats with all the fugly british money amounts in the article, didn't they switch to the euro?

not so much... nor Sweden, nor Denmark

Link (new window)

/yes, it's wiki, but it's a graphix


Brits just love their silly pounds, and stones, and gills, furlongs, pecks and that one based on the length of the King's arm.

I still remember using shillings and pence and other obscure-sounding coinage like half-crowns, ha'pennies, florins, thruppenny bits and of course guineas (the only denomination with a built-in tip!).
 
2009-12-20 06:42:42 AM  
Sun God: It is very difficult to argue that human consumption of alcohol hasn't tributes to human's ability to make alcohol. Wars are made of trading. Not wars and or peace.

maybe it's just me (and the fact that I'm on the tail-end of a 16-hour shift that will total 24 working hours in the past 32), but...
/lolwut?
 
2009-12-20 06:51:05 AM  
The article is comparing value brand beer to expensive mineral water. Value brand beer is like 1% ABV anyway, its piss. Value brand mineral water is about 30p for 2 litres so is way cheaper than 4 cans (2l) of value beer.

The article completely fails to address that the binge drinkers and alcoholics are not drinking the 1% pisswater. They are drinking this:

amishboy.co.uk

and

www.mediabistro.com
aka "Wifebeater"

and the chronic alcoholics are drinking this

www.portman-group.org.uk
aka "Tramp fuel"

I have not seen one single article mentioning this yet the entire population of the UK knows it.
 
2009-12-20 06:54:35 AM  
Sun God: It is very difficult to argue that human consumption of alcohol hasn't tributes to human's ability to make alcohol. Wars are made of trading. Not wars and or peace.

The alphabet looks familiar captain, but the content is completely undecipherable.


/Mark it as no sign of intelligent life and set course for the Risa system, Warp 9
 
2009-12-20 06:55:22 AM  
When alcohol is cheaper than water, I too have a problem with it.
 
2009-12-20 07:09:16 AM  
RamblinReck89: I'm sure this is cheaper than water:



/doesn't buy bottled water so he wouldn't know


That is what you drink after the good beer is gone and you are too drunk to care about the taste

/Natty Lite, proud choice of broke tOSU students
 
2009-12-20 07:17:01 AM  
"Tesco, Asda, Morrisons and Sainsbury's are among those selling beer at just over 5p per 100ml. This contrasts with a typical price of about 8p for 100ml of brand-name mineral water. "

This has also been done before.

I wrote to one of these organisations asking why they compared brand named bottled water with unbranded beer, but they couldn't come up with a coherent answer.

If you compare the price of unbranded water with unbranded beer, the result is that the water is much, much cheaper. Most of the cost of branded water is the branding.
 
2009-12-20 07:34:31 AM  
Hogarth's print of "Gin Lane" comes to mind.

He did this when gin was cheaper than beer in England. I know that it's not quite the same situation, but...

Link (new window)
 
2009-12-20 07:44:09 AM  
I've walked back through the snow from my local brewery with a mini-keg of "Icicle" for Xmas, so I'm getting a kick (etc, etc...)
 
2009-12-20 07:54:24 AM  
What amazed me in the article is that you had a Sir Somesuch say that the prices should be raised by a very large amount and that would save x number of lives.

Amazing that there are still people that stupid in the world, No dipshiat if you raise the price of booze too high you will create a black market in smuggled booze.
 
2009-12-20 08:23:03 AM  
Sun God: gwowen: Sun God: It is impossible to find ice in Britain. They either hoard it, or don't know how to make it.

Really? Because every supermarket I know sells huge bags full of it.

Try to buy a glass of ice water in Britain.


Ice water in (Northern) England is cold tap water with ice. What do you want?
 
2009-12-20 08:26:04 AM  
Supermarkets denied they were promoting irresponsible drinking, pointing to schemes requiring younger customers to prove their age as evidence of their intention to tackle under-age drinking.

To paraphrase Chris Rock, you're supposed to require younger customers to prove their age before you sell them booze. That's your job. Don't expect to be praised for doing it.
 
2009-12-20 08:36:04 AM  
Impudent Domain: if you raise the price of booze too high you will create a black market in smuggled booze.

Yes and no.

For that to negate his suggestion that alcohol related deaths would be reduced, a black market would have to exist with the same volume of sales as that of the supermarkets. This seems implausible, unless every town is to acquire an outlet than can be supplied with multiple artics full of smuggled alcohol per day.

Unlike tobacco, drugs, or weapons, alcohol can only be imported and traded in bulk. Unless the cost are so high that the risk:return of smuggling barrels onto the Dorset coast becomes reasonable, the only realistic route into the country is by ferry from the Continent. Indeed, in the 80s and 90s, when alcohol in France was half the price of that in England, 'booze cruises' to France were commonplace. Much of the alcohol, notionally for personal use, was sold on, but this trade was in the mid-market, largely for wine and premium lager, where a significant mark-up could be added.

HMRC had difficulties stopping this low-level smuggling, so instead Road Traffic Act powers were used to prevent overloaded vehicles packed with booze being brought into the country. The trade collapsed.

Since then, the cost of alcohol in this country has plummeted, removing any advantage in such small-scale enterprises. Most of the wine warehouses of Calais are long since gone.
 
2009-12-20 08:52:55 AM  
FarkinNortherner Quote 2009-12-20 08:36:04 AM
Impudent Domain: if you raise the price of booze too high you will create a black market in smuggled booze.

Yes and no.


You are ignoring the economic law of substitutes. If booze is highly priced the demand still remains relatively inelastic. And there are always substitutes, brewing your own, smoking pot, popping pills.

If we have learned anything in the last century it is that there exists a sizable portion of people in every society who crave mood altering substances and we have also learned that trying to keep these away from the public always causes even greater societal costs.
 
2009-12-20 08:57:50 AM  
Impudent Domain: You are ignoring the economic law of substitutes.

You're ignoring the fact that no-one is calling for prohibition. All they're asking for is controls to stop selling booze at a loss in order to draw people into the store. Bootleggers do not sell booze at a loss.

Alcohol will still be available and most of it will not even be any more expensive. And if you tell me that an "economic law[1]" tells us that this will not reduce the consumption of very cheap beer, I'll tell you you're talking nonsense.

[1] No such beast exists.
 
2009-12-20 09:39:04 AM  
maidtina: The article completely fails to address that the binge drinkers and alcoholics are not drinking the 1% pisswater. They are drinking this:

Heh, it's the same in Canada, and interestingly, all the hobo beers are imports, not domestics. There's 10% Crest which is the favourite, and a range of others in the 7-9% range, including Faxe, Navigator and a few others I don't know the names of but they're German or Dutch and they run CDN $3-$3.50 for a 500ml can. Cheap, sweet, high-test Canadian port is slightly cheaper per unit of alcohol and it remains the drink of choice for the hardcore bum, slightly ahead of Lysol and shoe polish sandwiches.
 
2009-12-20 10:20:57 AM  
Ministers are now planning a law to force drinks companies to put warnings on alcohol after an audit by the Department of Health found many leading brands were ignoring a voluntary code agreed with the government. The department is preparing to name firms that fail to abide by the code.

I thought this gem was somewhat hilarious. No farking shiat the companies aren't going to abide by a voluntary agreement that increases their operating costs.
 
2009-12-20 10:26:44 AM  
Just to put a little perspective here, this is an old story now. Brits are pissheads and it is putting a huge strain on the NHS. The supermarkets promote alcohol as a loss leader which seems to have fuelled the rise on alcohol issues such as violence, health issues. The proposed solution is to make alcohol less easily accessible.

Whether this will work I don't know, but something has to be done as the UK is slowly drinking itself to death en masse. If people paid for there own mess to be cleaned up then that's one thing but this is breaking the back of the country.
 
2009-12-20 10:27:34 AM  
Tesco, Asda, Morrisons and Sainsbury's are among those selling beer at just over 5p per 100ml. This contrasts with a typical price of about 8p for 100ml of brand-name mineral water.

Is there really a difference between Tesco beer and water, though?
 
2009-12-20 11:12:34 AM  
maidtina: The article is comparing value brand beer to expensive mineral water. Value brand beer is like 1% ABV anyway, its piss. Value brand mineral water is about 30p for 2 litres so is way cheaper than 4 cans (2l) of value beer.

You leave my favourite Dutch beer out of this!

farm4.static.flickr.com

/5.0% actually
 
xav
2009-12-20 11:16:37 AM  
This is their finest hour.
 
2009-12-20 11:20:12 AM  
I love the fact that the Brits refer to Stella Artois as 'Wifebeater'. Heaven forbid they ever start selling Steel Reserve in the UK.
 
2009-12-20 11:21:41 AM  
This arguement is ridiculous.

Why are people not asking why bottled water is EXPENSIVE....
.

from the article the best comment on the problem. Bottled water should not cost that much. They overcharged for water so people will buy cheep alcohol.
 
2009-12-20 11:35:18 AM  
coco ebert: I'm probably in the minority but I think alcohol should be more expensive than water.

The reason it won't be is because people who drink beer will only pay so much, whereas the sort of people who drink bottled water will pay any price. Which says a lot about the mentality of people who drink bottled water vs beer.
 
2009-12-20 12:15:08 PM  
I pity the person who tries to get drunk on 2% Tesco value lager.

But yeah, they're comparing cheap diluted filth to what's probably glass bottled luxury spring water.
 
2009-12-20 12:20:11 PM  
This is the case in the US at many events... bottled water cost more per oz than beer. Just compare prices. It's sad. Price gouging is pretty obvious. There's no way that filtered tap water costs more than distilling beer.
 
2009-12-20 12:45:56 PM  
DIGITALgimpus: There's no way that filtered tap water costs more than distilling beer.

WTF?
 
2009-12-20 01:04:19 PM  
JWideman: coco ebert: I'm probably in the minority but I think alcohol should be more expensive than water.

The reason it won't be is because people who drink beer will only pay so much, whereas the sort of people who drink bottled water will pay any price. Which says a lot about the mentality of people who drink bottled water vs beer.


I've spent some time in England and I couldn't believe how much people drink. Also, there was a lot of public drunkenness. I can't conclude for all of Britain but it seems like there is a drink problem.
 
2009-12-20 01:11:16 PM  
RamblinReck89: Virulency: RamblinReck89: I'm sure this is cheaper than water:



/doesn't buy bottled water so he wouldn't know

water tastes better too

Hell, urine probably tastes better too. Neither one will get you drunk though.


So neither of those can do what it takes a case of Natty light to do?

Just give me a damned soda if that's the only 'beer' you got.
 
2009-12-20 01:11:56 PM  
You think that's bad? Just look how much they charge a bloke for a litre of petrol. They're just asking for people to huff the stuff, govna.
 
2009-12-20 01:30:49 PM  
I always figured the nannies are content keeping the Brit populace liquored up. Keeps them sedated while their government passes another bullsh*t law. Next thing you know they'll all have to wear their underwear on the outside or some such nonsense.
 
2009-12-20 01:37:38 PM  
OMG SOMEONE SELLS BRANDED WATER FOR £20/PINT, BETTER RAISE TAXES ON ALCOHOL!!!11eleventyone!!

/Oranges are clearly better than apples.
 
2009-12-20 01:48:05 PM  
coco ebert: I've spent some time in England and I couldn't believe how much people drink. Also, there was a lot of public drunkenness. I can't conclude for all of Britain but it seems like there is a drink problem.

Pretty much. From Friday to Sunday every major population centre is overtaken by drunks. They won't necessarily bother you, but there can be no doubting what the primary economic function of the town centre is come sunset. Permanent police presence for the duration. It is technically a criminal offence, but this is rarely enforced.
 
2009-12-20 02:02:35 PM  
cptjeff:
Just give me a damned soda if that's the only 'beer' you got.

It's POP dammit! POP! Not soda. Sheesh, how many times do you people have to be told?

/obvious threadjack is obvious
 
2009-12-20 02:21:44 PM  
PJMurphy: cptjeff:
Just give me a damned soda if that's the only 'beer' you got.

It's POP dammit! POP! Not soda. Sheesh, how many times do you people have to be told?

/obvious threadjack is obvious


No. No. No. It's Coke. Everybody says "Coke". What's wrong with you?

\Love feeding trolls like myself
 
2009-12-20 02:44:25 PM  
Pfft. I can get a .5L beer cheaper than a .3L bottle of water in just about every bar in the country. At the grocery store, sometimes the bottle deposit is more expensive than the beer.

/found a small beer on tap the other night for .81USD
 
2009-12-20 02:57:39 PM  
fragMasterFlash: I love the fact that the Brits refer to Stella Artois as 'Wifebeater'. Heaven forbid they ever start selling Steel Reserve in the UK.

Isn't Stella Artois the one with all those douchey commercials lately? Thought it was supposed to be decent shiat.
 
2009-12-20 03:21:42 PM  
Isn't Stella Artois the one with all those douchey commercials lately? Thought it was supposed to be decent shiat.


Stella tries to project a poncy "expensive" image but lagers have about 3 distinct tastes - hoppy (pilsners etc), slightly hoppy (UK/Australian lagers) and fizzy (US style). Stella is hoppy which means aside from the price and the label on the glass it makes no appreciable difference if you are drinking Amstel, Stella, Heineken, Harp or Carlsberg - they all have roughly the same taste. Most are brewed under licence too. Drink the cheapest.

 
2009-12-20 03:23:10 PM  
PJMurphy: cptjeff:
Just give me a damned soda if that's the only 'beer' you got.

It's POP dammit! POP! Not soda. Sheesh, how many times do you people have to be told?

/obvious threadjack is obvious


Do you run that guitar chords site? I've been following that for years! If not, please disregard this comment.
 
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