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2009-12-18 11:31:46 AM  
As a lifetime Bronco-maniac, I wish Shanahan the best of luck if he does in fact take this job. He's going to need it with that sociopathic troll who owns the Redskins.

I was really hoping the Cowboys would fire Wade and hire Shanahan, but something tells me Shanahan couldn't work with Jerry Jones.
 
2009-12-18 12:01:34 PM  
As a Redskins fan I'm happy to see these changes since any change was better than what we had. However, I don't know that The Danny can keep his mitts off for too long. I hope that the ghost of Jack Kent Cooke visited The Danny the other night and taught him a thing or two, but I'll believe it when I see him leave Allen alone.
 
2009-12-18 12:13:23 PM  
tnpir: As a lifetime Bronco-maniac, I wish Shanahan the best of luck if he does in fact take this job. He's going to need it with that sociopathic troll who owns the Redskins.

He survived Al Davis. Much like catching a fly with chopsticks, man who can accomplish that can accomplish anything.
 
2009-12-18 01:23:53 PM  
Shanahan is a great coach/in-game tactician, but a lousy talent evaluator. I'm interested to see how much control he'll be given relative to Bruce Allen.
 
2009-12-18 01:25:10 PM  
joseelsegundo: As a Redskins fan I'm happy to see these changes since any change was better than what we had. However, I don't know that The Danny can keep his mitts off for too long. I hope that the ghost of Jack Kent Cooke visited The Danny the other night and taught him a thing or two, but I'll believe it when I see him leave Allen alone.

It's going to be interesting since these are not yes men he hired here. Bruce Allen and Shanahanigans had to work with Al Davis so is Snyder even a match for them? I like this though. It means we actually have a real GM and a real head coach. My personal prediciton is that Bruce Allen is fired the day before the draft and Snyder is walking around with a black eye. Then we draft Tim Tebow.
 
2009-12-18 01:27:43 PM  
Theguybehindtheguy: Shanahan is a great coach/in-game tactician, but a lousy talent evaluator. I'm interested to see how much control he'll be given relative to Bruce Allen.

Are the Skins an organization that usually drafts well? I thought their thing was overpaying for big name free agents.

/no snark, genuinely curious
 
2009-12-18 01:35:49 PM  
Jubeebee: Theguybehindtheguy: Shanahan is a great coach/in-game tactician, but a lousy talent evaluator. I'm interested to see how much control he'll be given relative to Bruce Allen.

Are the Skins an organization that usually drafts well? I thought their thing was overpaying for big name free agents.

/no snark, genuinely curious


Not particularly, no. They trade away lots of draft picks in trades. They certainly have drafted some studs like Arrington, Baily, and Arakpo (kid's good). The usual pattern is these guys establish themselves, get sick of being on a losing team, and sign big contracts elsewhere.
 
2009-12-18 01:36:42 PM  
Jubeebee: Theguybehindtheguy: Shanahan is a great coach/in-game tactician, but a lousy talent evaluator. I'm interested to see how much control he'll be given relative to Bruce Allen.

Are the Skins an organization that usually drafts well? I thought their thing was overpaying for big name free agents.

/no snark, genuinely curious


They usually draft big named skill players, QB, RB and a line backer.

That being said, chances are this is just a move to appease fans and little will change, 3 years from now the Skins will be back in this same boat and Snyder will hire some big name coach and a former player as def/off coordinator.
 
2009-12-18 01:38:38 PM  
As a Raider fan, I approve of Mike Shanahan taking over an NFC team. I would like to point out that the last game Shanahan coached against the Raiders he lost 31-10, a key blow that ultimately led to his dismissal in Denver.
 
2009-12-18 01:38:40 PM  
foo monkey: Jubeebee: Theguybehindtheguy: Shanahan is a great coach/in-game tactician, but a lousy talent evaluator. I'm interested to see how much control he'll be given relative to Bruce Allen.

Are the Skins an organization that usually drafts well? I thought their thing was overpaying for big name free agents.

/no snark, genuinely curious

Not particularly, no. They trade away lots of draft picks in trades. They certainly have drafted some studs like Arrington, Baily, and Arakpo (kid's good). The usual pattern is these guys establish themselves, get sick of being on a losing team, and sign big contracts elsewhere.


The proof that Snyder is committed to making a change will come in this year's draft. If he drafts O-linemen maybe there's hope. If he drafts Tebow, it's the same old story. I think it'll be Tebow.
 
2009-12-18 01:40:22 PM  
Jubeebee: Theguybehindtheguy: Shanahan is a great coach/in-game tactician, but a lousy talent evaluator. I'm interested to see how much control he'll be given relative to Bruce Allen.

Are the Skins an organization that usually drafts well? I thought their thing was overpaying for big name free agents.

/no snark, genuinely curious


Not a skins fan, so someone else probably could answer better than me. But IMO, they haven't been too bad at drafting, probably average. But yeah, over-paying for free-agents gets the headlines and attention.

I think they're big problem has been switching coordinators, coaches, and systems every couple of months. That destroys the development of the younger players. If they would just keep the same structure intact for 3-4 years, they'd be alot better off right now.
 
2009-12-18 01:40:53 PM  
Jubeebee: Theguybehindtheguy: Shanahan is a great coach/in-game tactician, but a lousy talent evaluator. I'm interested to see how much control he'll be given relative to Bruce Allen.

Are the Skins an organization that usually drafts well? I thought their thing was overpaying for big name free agents.

/no snark, genuinely curious


Actually they do draft well...when they actually have picks. They have pretty good talent scouts. They get good value and depth out of their late round picks and even a few starters. They don't really have any first round busts.

Their problem is simply the lack of depth. That stems from their lack of draft picks. The free agents aren't the problem, it's the stupid trades. They play in a tough physical division and without proper depth they get beat up and are unable to compete. This year and last year the offensive line failed. Normally this would be an unfortunate coincidence but for this team they knew Samuels had a neck condition that could end his career at any time. Randy Thomas also has had season ending surgery the last couple seasons. Neither of these players had quality backups. They had 3 running backs over 30 years old or over 2,000 carries. They had no quality backup running backs. This is why Vinny is not a GM. He can not build a team.
 
2009-12-18 01:46:12 PM  
Say what you will about Zorn but he somehow managed to keep the train from completely careening off the tracks this year. If he had beaten the Chiefs, Lions and Panthers he would've kept his job, probably.

I hope he gets another chance, he seems to be a decent coach when he turns the play calling over and starts focusing on coaching.

I hope the Redskins will draft either Suh from Nebraska, Taylor Mays from USC, or trade down for lots of draft picks of Offensive Lineman. That said, I for one welcome our new Tebow overlord.
 
2009-12-18 01:47:36 PM  
foo monkey: foo monkey: Jubeebee: Theguybehindtheguy: Shanahan is a great coach/in-game tactician, but a lousy talent evaluator. I'm interested to see how much control he'll be given relative to Bruce Allen.

Are the Skins an organization that usually drafts well? I thought their thing was overpaying for big name free agents.

/no snark, genuinely curious

Not particularly, no. They trade away lots of draft picks in trades. They certainly have drafted some studs like Arrington, Baily, and Arakpo (kid's good). The usual pattern is these guys establish themselves, get sick of being on a losing team, and sign big contracts elsewhere.

The proof that Snyder is committed to making a change will come in this year's draft. If he drafts O-linemen maybe there's hope. If he drafts Tebow, it's the same old story. I think it'll be Tebow.


If they go for a QB, speculation is they will take a serious look at Clausen. I'd stick with Campbell, but the front office did show interest in both Sanchez and Cutler last season so I don't think they see Campbell as the man of the future.
 
2009-12-18 01:50:04 PM  
INeedAName: Jubeebee: Theguybehindtheguy: Shanahan is a great coach/in-game tactician, but a lousy talent evaluator. I'm interested to see how much control he'll be given relative to Bruce Allen.

Are the Skins an organization that usually drafts well? I thought their thing was overpaying for big name free agents.

/no snark, genuinely curious

They usually draft big named skill players, QB, RB and a line backer.

That being said, chances are this is just a move to appease fans and little will change, 3 years from now the Skins will be back in this same boat and Snyder will hire some big name coach and a former player as def/off coordinator.


Yeah, if Lil' Danny has finally learned he should leave football matters to the big boys, this is good and the Redskins will improve. I'm not convinced he has.
 
2009-12-18 01:52:03 PM  
Theguybehindtheguy: Shanahan is a great coach/in-game tactician, but a lousy talent evaluator. I'm interested to see how much control he'll be given relative to Bruce Allen.

He's a pretty good talent evaluator on offense actually. And he can use his zone blocking schemes to help the Redskins mask their O-line problems for a few years until they can replenish. He's almost comically inept at evaluating defensive talent though.
 
2009-12-18 01:52:09 PM  
I'm catiousily hopefully about this. Given Allen and Shanahan's relationship they can at least tag team Snyder.

Now while I'm dreaming we being in Weis as the offensive coordinator, snag up Clausen in the draft as a prospective QB of the future. Say what you will about Weis, that man can develop offensive talent on the pro level and the Redskins need a lot of work in that area. Snyder can make himself useful by writing the checks.
 
2009-12-18 01:52:25 PM  
The good news for Redskins fans is that this is actually an attainable goal.
 
2009-12-18 01:57:22 PM  
8_octave_8: Say what you will about Zorn but he somehow managed to keep the train from completely careening off the tracks this year. If he had beaten the Chiefs, Lions and Panthers he would've kept his job, probably.

I hope he gets another chance, he seems to be a decent coach when he turns the play calling over and starts focusing on coaching.

I hope the Redskins will draft either Suh from Nebraska, Taylor Mays from USC, or trade down for lots of draft picks of Offensive Lineman. That said, I for one welcome our new Tebow overlord.


I think we might have to trade up to get Suh,b ut I'd love to get Suh to come in. Haynesworth is a beast when he's not being lazy. I wonder if having Suh next to him would motivate him, if for no other reason than to avoid getting shown up by a rookie on national TV. So Suh comes in and we try to deal Griffin to someone else.
 
2009-12-18 01:58:23 PM  
Lou Cypher: foo monkey: foo monkey: Jubeebee: Theguybehindtheguy: Shanahan is a great coach/in-game tactician, but a lousy talent evaluator. I'm interested to see how much control he'll be given relative to Bruce Allen.

Are the Skins an organization that usually drafts well? I thought their thing was overpaying for big name free agents.

/no snark, genuinely curious

Not particularly, no. They trade away lots of draft picks in trades. They certainly have drafted some studs like Arrington, Baily, and Arakpo (kid's good). The usual pattern is these guys establish themselves, get sick of being on a losing team, and sign big contracts elsewhere.

The proof that Snyder is committed to making a change will come in this year's draft. If he drafts O-linemen maybe there's hope. If he drafts Tebow, it's the same old story. I think it'll be Tebow.

If they go for a QB, speculation is they will take a serious look at Clausen. I'd stick with Campbell, but the front office did show interest in both Sanchez and Cutler last season so I don't think they see Campbell as the man of the future.


Danny's shown no interest in keeping JC. He shopped him around last offseason. He didn't sign him to a contract on his radio station. Danny and Vinnie went down to visit Colt McCoy a week or two ago. I don't See JC sticking around either. Good for him.
 
2009-12-18 02:00:19 PM  
ha-ha-guy: 8_octave_8: Say what you will about Zorn but he somehow managed to keep the train from completely careening off the tracks this year. If he had beaten the Chiefs, Lions and Panthers he would've kept his job, probably.

I hope he gets another chance, he seems to be a decent coach when he turns the play calling over and starts focusing on coaching.

I hope the Redskins will draft either Suh from Nebraska, Taylor Mays from USC, or trade down for lots of draft picks of Offensive Lineman. That said, I for one welcome our new Tebow overlord.

I think we might have to trade up to get Suh,b ut I'd love to get Suh to come in. Haynesworth is a beast when he's not being lazy. I wonder if having Suh next to him would motivate him, if for no other reason than to avoid getting shown up by a rookie on national TV. So Suh comes in and we try to deal Griffin to someone else.


Haynesworth, Suh, and Orakpo as 3 of the front seven would be nice.
 
2009-12-18 02:00:38 PM  
Theguybehindtheguy: Shanahan is a great coach/in-game tactician, but a lousy talent evaluator. I'm interested to see how much control he'll be given relative to Bruce Allen.

Keep in mind Allen is responsible for most of the "talent" on this year's Tampa Bay squad. Moreover, Tampa hasn't had a solid draft since Rich McKay was GM.
 
2009-12-18 02:02:41 PM  
ha-ha-guy: 8_octave_8: Say what you will about Zorn but he somehow managed to keep the train from completely careening off the tracks this year. If he had beaten the Chiefs, Lions and Panthers he would've kept his job, probably.

I hope he gets another chance, he seems to be a decent coach when he turns the play calling over and starts focusing on coaching.

I hope the Redskins will draft either Suh from Nebraska, Taylor Mays from USC, or trade down for lots of draft picks of Offensive Lineman. That said, I for one welcome our new Tebow overlord.

I think we might have to trade up to get Suh,b ut I'd love to get Suh to come in. Haynesworth is a beast when he's not being lazy. I wonder if having Suh next to him would motivate him, if for no other reason than to avoid getting shown up by a rookie on national TV. So Suh comes in and we try to deal Griffin to someone else.


Griff is too old, you won't get anything for him. Suh won't make it past Tampa.

Personally my wish list is:

Rusell Okung
Suh
Berry
Spiller(only if we trade back and still get a tackle)
Spikes
Best tackle still available.
 
2009-12-18 02:03:57 PM  
ha-ha-guy: I think we might have to trade up to get Suh,b ut I'd love to get Suh to come in. Haynesworth is a beast when he's not being lazy. I wonder if having Suh next to him would motivate him, if for no other reason than to avoid getting shown up by a rookie on national TV. So Suh comes in and we try to deal Griffin to someone else.

You could make the case a rookie is showing him up right now. Orakpo is kicking some ass. It doesn't hurt that Haynesworth is getting double and triple-teamed most of the time. The Redskins have lots of problems, but Haynesworth's on-field performance isn't one of them. What he's getting paid for it is.
 
2009-12-18 02:14:32 PM  
spacechicken170am: ha-ha-guy: 8_octave_8: Say what you will about Zorn but he somehow managed to keep the train from completely careening off the tracks this year. If he had beaten the Chiefs, Lions and Panthers he would've kept his job, probably.

I hope he gets another chance, he seems to be a decent coach when he turns the play calling over and starts focusing on coaching.

I hope the Redskins will draft either Suh from Nebraska, Taylor Mays from USC, or trade down for lots of draft picks of Offensive Lineman. That said, I for one welcome our new Tebow overlord.

I think we might have to trade up to get Suh,b ut I'd love to get Suh to come in. Haynesworth is a beast when he's not being lazy. I wonder if having Suh next to him would motivate him, if for no other reason than to avoid getting shown up by a rookie on national TV. So Suh comes in and we try to deal Griffin to someone else.

Griff is too old, you won't get anything for him. Suh won't make it past Tampa.

Personally my wish list is:

Rusell Okung
Suh
Berry
Spiller(only if we trade back and still get a tackle)
Spikes
Best tackle still available.


I just looked up Russell Okung, and now I am almost wishing we lose the rest of our games so we can grab hime before one of the few teams still below us in the ranking can. He looks like one intense O-lineman who excels at outplaying other high-calibur defensive linemen.

Is it normal for college football players to graduate in 3.5 years? I understand the redshirt system and everything, but that makes me thinkhe has a good brain in his big ol' head also, which I personally think is under-rated given the complexity of the modern NFL.
 
2009-12-18 02:16:32 PM  
I think that getting rid of Campbell would be retarded. Kid has shown some skills despite the Redskins lack of ability in other areas of the field and having a terrible O Line.
 
2009-12-18 02:17:16 PM  
iamskibibitz: Keep in mind Allen is responsible for most of the "talent" on this year's Tampa Bay squad. Moreover, Tampa hasn't had a solid draft since Rich McKay was GM.

Yeah, I wasn't endorsing Allen, by any means.

It just seems like for the past year, the word has been that Shanahanagan would want complete control over football operations when he came back. Now it appears he's going to a situation with a clear GM and a meddling owner...seems strange to me, I guess.
 
2009-12-18 02:18:51 PM  
mjoven1975: I would like to point out that the last game Shanahan coached against the Raiders he lost 31-10, a key blow that ultimately led to his dismissal in Denver.

Same for Gruden in Tampa. Both former Raiders coaches. Coincidence?
 
2009-12-18 02:19:31 PM  
foo monkey: ha-ha-guy: I think we might have to trade up to get Suh,b ut I'd love to get Suh to come in. Haynesworth is a beast when he's not being lazy. I wonder if having Suh next to him would motivate him, if for no other reason than to avoid getting shown up by a rookie on national TV. So Suh comes in and we try to deal Griffin to someone else.

You could make the case a rookie is showing him up right now. Orakpo is kicking some ass. It doesn't hurt that Haynesworth is getting double and triple-teamed most of the time. The Redskins have lots of problems, but Haynesworth's on-field performance isn't one of them. What he's getting paid for it is.


His performance when he's standing up isn't bad. It's the fact that he has to lay down between plays in 90% of the games that is frustrating. Dude gave the Saints a Timeout, seriously for $100million roll your fat ass off the field!
 
2009-12-18 02:25:17 PM  
8_octave_8: Say what you will about Zorn but he somehow managed to keep the train from completely careening off the tracks this year. If he had beaten the Chiefs, Lions and Panthers he would've kept his job, probably.

I hope he gets another chance, he seems to be a decent coach when he turns the play calling over and starts focusing on coaching.

I hope the Redskins will draft either Suh from Nebraska, Taylor Mays from USC, or trade down for lots of draft picks of Offensive Lineman. That said, I for one welcome our new Tebow overlord.


One season (his first?) he started off pretty good. Then he sucked. Just like the Ole Ball coach and that hall of famer that likes Nascar

and Suh is headed for Tampa or St. Louis.
 
2009-12-18 02:27:53 PM  
my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food:

I just looked up Russell Okung, and now I am almost wishing we lose the rest of our games so we can grab hime before one of the few teams still below us in the ranking can. He looks like one intense O-lineman who excels at outplaying other high-calibur defensive linemen.

Is it normal for college football players to graduate in 3.5 years? I understand the redshirt system and everything, but that makes me thinkhe has a good brain in his big ol' head also, which I personally think is under-rated given the complexity of the modern NFL.


The problem is that there's no way Okung gets past Kansas City. They can take him and move Brandon Albert to left guard. That fixes half their line in 1 pick. I'd love to have him but I just don't see it. I think he's going to be great though.
 
2009-12-18 02:28:25 PM  
mjoven1975: As a Raider fan, I approve of Mike Shanahan taking over an NFC team. I would like to point out that the last game Shanahan coached against the Raiders he lost 31-10, a key blow that ultimately led to his dismissal in Denver.

You're a Raider fan? Does your parole officer know you're on the computer?

/enjoy the 30-point loss this Sunday
 
2009-12-18 02:34:07 PM  
This thread is full of good insight and respectful discourse.

WTF?

/I agree with everyone that has said they'll believe Snyder will let Allen and Shanny run things when I see it. He just can't do it.
 
2009-12-18 02:41:40 PM  
tnpir: mjoven1975: As a Raider fan, I approve of Mike Shanahan taking over an NFC team. I would like to point out that the last game Shanahan coached against the Raiders he lost 31-10, a key blow that ultimately led to his dismissal in Denver.

You're a Raider fan? Does your parole officer know you're on the computer?

/enjoy the 30-point loss this Sunday


JaMarcus is on the bench. There will be no 30 point losses.
 
2009-12-18 02:42:21 PM  
spacechicken170am: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food:

I just looked up Russell Okung, and now I am almost wishing we lose the rest of our games so we can grab hime before one of the few teams still below us in the ranking can. He looks like one intense O-lineman who excels at outplaying other high-calibur defensive linemen.

Is it normal for college football players to graduate in 3.5 years? I understand the redshirt system and everything, but that makes me thinkhe has a good brain in his big ol' head also, which I personally think is under-rated given the complexity of the modern NFL.

The problem is that there's no way Okung gets past Kansas City. They can take him and move Brandon Albert to left guard. That fixes half their line in 1 pick. I'd love to have him but I just don't see it. I think he's going to be great though.


That makes sense...unfortunately.

Since you seem to be quite knowledgeable, do you know of any good free-agent options for bolstering our O-line in the off season?

And is it just me, or has Mike Seller's productivty taken a nose dive this year. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a beast, but it seems like he isn't making those stand-out plays happen like he used to. It would be nice to have a power running go-to option again.

/So glad Cerrato "resigned"
//I'm actually fine with keeping Zorn and Campbell on for at least another year, it would be interesting to see what an iota of coach/scheme consistency could bring
///Wouldn't throw a fit if we did sign Shanahan though...but I am pessimistic that we will see that happen.
 
2009-12-18 02:50:14 PM  
InferiousX: I think that getting rid of Campbell would be retarded. Kid has shown some skills despite the Redskins lack of ability in other areas of the field and having a terrible O Line.

That would be a Snyder move. Why keep a 16th ranked QB and fix the 28th ranked offensive line? That seems like the obvious thing to do. Campbell isn't the greatest QB but is he more of a problem then:

Offensive Line:

LT Levi Jones-Hasn't played 16 games since 2004. Only our front office would be dumb enough to think he makes it through the whole season. He also has no backup on the roster.

Casey Rabach-His contract is up, he'll be 33, and he spends more time in the backfield than Jason Campbell.

Big Mike Wiliams-I don't think he can be relied on for a whole season and his backup has a broken leg.

Stephon Heyer-Would this guy even make anybody else's roster much less start? He's injured right now and some guy the Seahawks cut from their practice squad is going to be starting agianst Osi on Monday night. That should be a hoot.

Running back:

Portis-Has over 2,000 carries, bone spurs in his ankles, and a severe concussion. I can clearly see a fork sticking out of his back. He may make it back but this absolutely can not be plan A.

Betts-Over 30 and is having ACL/MCL surgery. Does anyone really expect him to ever play again.

Cartwright-Over 30 years old and wasn't any good when he was younger.

Free Safety:
I'd list them but we don't really have one. All we have is a strong safety starting at free safety.

Outside Linebacker
Yeah, we don't have one of these either. We have a defensive end playing linebacker.
 
2009-12-18 02:51:21 PM  
Shanahan will now join the long list of Superbowl winning coaches who went to another team and showed that struggling franchise how to achieve Superbowl victory.
 
2009-12-18 02:51:23 PM  
InferiousX: I think that getting rid of Campbell would be retarded. Kid has shown some skills despite the Redskins lack of ability in other areas of the field and having a terrible O Line.

I like Cambell, but I could understanding trading him out to a Detroit or an Oakland. It gives them a proven QB so they dont have to draft one, and hopefully gives the Skins a few picks and/or some cash to go after a free agent.
 
2009-12-18 02:58:44 PM  
Hopefully Snyder will respect him enough to leave him alone, ala Jerry Jones & Bill Parcells. I never thought Shanahan was a great coach, but if they have a real football GM & structure they'll be a lot better off than they are now. I wish they'd keep Jason Campbell & Zorn as QB coach.
 
2009-12-18 02:59:35 PM  
my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: spacechicken170am: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food:

I just looked up Russell Okung, and now I am almost wishing we lose the rest of our games so we can grab hime before one of the few teams still below us in the ranking can. He looks like one intense O-lineman who excels at outplaying other high-calibur defensive linemen.

Is it normal for college football players to graduate in 3.5 years? I understand the redshirt system and everything, but that makes me thinkhe has a good brain in his big ol' head also, which I personally think is under-rated given the complexity of the modern NFL.

The problem is that there's no way Okung gets past Kansas City. They can take him and move Brandon Albert to left guard. That fixes half their line in 1 pick. I'd love to have him but I just don't see it. I think he's going to be great though.

That makes sense...unfortunately.

Since you seem to be quite knowledgeable, do you know of any good free-agent options for bolstering our O-line in the off season?

And is it just me, or has Mike Seller's productivty taken a nose dive this year. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a beast, but it seems like he isn't making those stand-out plays happen like he used to. It would be nice to have a power running go-to option again.

/So glad Cerrato "resigned"
//I'm actually fine with keeping Zorn and Campbell on for at least another year, it would be interesting to see what an iota of coach/scheme consistency could bring
///Wouldn't throw a fit if we did sign Shanahan though...but I am pessimistic that we will see that happen.


The offensive line is going to be tough to fix. Linemen are cheap and most teams don't let them go. Alex Barron from the Rams is pretty decent but I bet he gets resigned. Marcus McNiel may become a salary cap victim in San Diego but I doubt it. The saints have a few guys but I bet they resign them. In the draft if we fall behind Oakland and Seattle we may not be able to get a left tackle. I know Mike Singletary had some nice things to say about Alex Boone on the niners practice squad. He would be worth a look. He's the dude from tOSU that got drunk and got tasered a couple of times.

Sellers sucks this year. I think he's playing to not get hurt. I've never seen him avoid contact before this year. Todd Yoder is much better at fullback than Sellers is right now.
 
2009-12-18 03:02:38 PM  
as a skins fan I'm interested in seeing what comes of this.
 
2009-12-18 03:12:47 PM  
So Snydanahan will be coaching?
 
2009-12-18 03:38:48 PM  
spacechicken170am: InferiousX: I think that getting rid of Campbell would be retarded. Kid has shown some skills despite the Redskins lack of ability in other areas of the field and having a terrible O Line.

That would be a Snyder move. Why keep a 16th ranked QB and fix the 28th ranked offensive line? That seems like the obvious thing to do. Campbell isn't the greatest QB but is he more of a problem then:

Offensive Line:

LT Levi Jones-Hasn't played 16 games since 2004. Only our front office would be dumb enough to think he makes it through the whole season. He also has no backup on the roster.

Casey Rabach-His contract is up, he'll be 33, and he spends more time in the backfield than Jason Campbell.

Big Mike Wiliams-I don't think he can be relied on for a whole season and his backup has a broken leg.

Stephon Heyer-Would this guy even make anybody else's roster much less start? He's injured right now and some guy the Seahawks cut from their practice squad is going to be starting agianst Osi on Monday night. That should be a hoot.

Running back:

Portis-Has over 2,000 carries, bone spurs in his ankles, and a severe concussion. I can clearly see a fork sticking out of his back. He may make it back but this absolutely can not be plan A.

Betts-Over 30 and is having ACL/MCL surgery. Does anyone really expect him to ever play again.

Cartwright-Over 30 years old and wasn't any good when he was younger.

Free Safety:
I'd list them but we don't really have one. All we have is a strong safety starting at free safety.

Outside Linebacker
Yeah, we don't have one of these either. We have a defensive end playing linebacker.


Good points. Personally I feel that RB and QB are low priorities for us. I'd rather we not draft the QB of the future and toss him behind our current offensive line. Looking over how things are going in the draft I have mixed feelings.

We could go after Gerhart, Spiller or Allen, both looking to be solid powe game RBs, and we do need a RB. However getting a RB without getting O-Line is kind of pointless. Beside we can always try sucking next year and going after Ingram when he comes out.

I wonder if it is better for the team to actually trade down. Odds are Clausen and a good RB or two will be floating around when we draft and they might be worth it as a future investment, but I wonder if it might be better to trade down, stock up on 2nd and 3rd round picks and go to town on offensive linemen.

My biggest worry is in the 2-3 years it takes us to fix the offense (and it will take years,gotta draft the rookies and then get them up to speed) that our defense will end up old and entirely broken down.
 
2009-12-18 04:06:17 PM  
mjoven1975: JaMarcus is on the bench. There will be no 30 point losses.

Oh, right, my mistake. Gradkowski is out and Charlie Frye is in. It will be a 40-point loss.
 
2009-12-18 04:14:55 PM  
tnpir: mjoven1975: JaMarcus is on the bench. There will be no 30 point losses.

Oh, right, my mistake. Gradkowski is out and Charlie Frye is in. It will be a 40-point loss.


Bronco fans running smack is entirely predictable. I'd love nothing more than for the Raiders to replicate that 31-10 beatdown that helped ruin your season last year, even if it does punch the Chargers playoff ticket.

/Broncos 20-10
 
2009-12-18 04:15:42 PM  
tnpir: You're a Raider fan? Does your parole officer know you're on the computer?

Oh good one. You have the originality of Carlos Mencia.

tnpir: mjoven1975: JaMarcus is on the bench. There will be no 30 point losses.

Oh, right, my mistake. Gradkowski is out and Charlie Frye is in. It will be a 40-point loss.


Considering that the Broncos are becoming the Cowboys of the AFC (choking away games late in the year) I'd tread lightly, lest you have to eat crow when a reject QB from the Browns owns your team this Sunday.
 
2009-12-18 04:22:04 PM  
InferiousX: tnpir: You're a Raider fan? Does your parole officer know you're on the computer?

Oh good one. You have the originality of Carlos Mencia.

tnpir: mjoven1975: JaMarcus is on the bench. There will be no 30 point losses.

Oh, right, my mistake. Gradkowski is out and Charlie Frye is in. It will be a 40-point loss.

Considering that the Broncos are becoming the Cowboys of the AFC (choking away games late in the year) I'd tread lightly, lest you have to eat crow when a reject QB from the Browns owns your team this Sunday.


I'd love nothing for smug Bronco fans to eat crow, but I don't know if Charlie Frye has it in him, especially with the Raiders TE Zach Miller doubtful for the game. I know for certain he will perform better than JaFatass ever could. With a couple breaks, who knows, but there is no way they are losing by 40 on Sunday. None.
 
2009-12-18 04:23:24 PM  
InferiousX: Considering that the Broncos are becoming the Cowboys of the AFC (choking away games late in the year) I'd tread lightly, lest you have to eat crow when a reject QB from the Browns owns your team this Sunday.

Not this time, sparky. This isn't a Shanahan defense and the Broncos aren't choking the entire season away like last year. Plus, you don't have Cutler around to gift wrap three interceptions.

/I hope
 
2009-12-18 04:26:50 PM  
mjoven1975: InferiousX: tnpir: You're a Raider fan? Does your parole officer know you're on the computer?

Oh good one. You have the originality of Carlos Mencia.

tnpir: mjoven1975: JaMarcus is on the bench. There will be no 30 point losses.

Oh, right, my mistake. Gradkowski is out and Charlie Frye is in. It will be a 40-point loss.

Considering that the Broncos are becoming the Cowboys of the AFC (choking away games late in the year) I'd tread lightly, lest you have to eat crow when a reject QB from the Browns owns your team this Sunday.

I'd love nothing for smug Bronco fans to eat crow, but I don't know if Charlie Frye has it in him, especially with the Raiders TE Zach Miller doubtful for the game. I know for certain he will perform better than JaFatass ever could. With a couple breaks, who knows, but there is no way they are losing by 40 on Sunday. None.


To win the Broncos just need to do one thing.

Run the ball. JaMarcus or not, the Raiders can't stop the run.
 
2009-12-18 04:28:10 PM  
mjoven1975: I'd love nothing for smug Bronco fans to eat crow, but I don't know if Charlie Frye has it in him, especially with the Raiders TE Zach Miller doubtful for the game.

We still got Louis Murphy and Chaz Schillens who I have faith in. And to a lesser extent, Johnny Lee Higgins.

We'll be getting the Raiders/Broncos game here so I'm very interested to see how Frye does. My main concern while watching Frye during preseason, is that he was doing some plays where it looked like he was taking 9 step drops before throwing the ball. Shades of Andrew Walter there.

I'm cautiously optimistic.
 
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