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(Wired)   Star Trek stops women from becoming computer scientists, ensuring a galactic future more Janice Rand than Leah Brahms   ( wired.com) divider line
    More: Interesting, Leah Brahms, Star Trek, computing, Rodolfo Mendoza-Denton, University of Washington, Sapna Cheryan, hecklers, National Science Foundation  
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2009-12-17 10:44:41 AM  
+1 for the hilarity, subby.

/shame on me for getting it
 
2009-12-17 10:50:11 AM  
Come on, if there is one thing Star Trek has taught me, it's that there are plenty of jobs for women in computer science, especially in speech synthesis.

/Did any of the computers have male voices, other than androids like Data?
 
2009-12-17 10:53:21 AM  

The English Major: +1 for the hilarity, subby.

/shame on me for getting it


Thanks. English Major also. ST clearly had far too much influence on my development...
 
2009-12-17 10:58:04 AM  

August11: The English Major: +1 for the hilarity, subby.

/shame on me for getting it

Thanks. English Major also. ST clearly had far too much influence on my development...


There's gotta be a connection somewhere, then.
 
2009-12-17 11:06:12 AM  
No, the thing that stopped me from finishing my CS degree was the realization that I could get a business degree, and make twice as much for half the work.
 
2009-12-17 11:11:29 AM  
I think author has her causality backwards. I blame anti-time.
 
2009-12-17 11:13:19 AM  

Diogenes: I think author has her causality backwards. I blame anti-time.


Too late. It blamed you first.
 
2009-12-17 11:32:25 AM  
Maybe it's because Asperger's is ten times more prevalent in women than in men.
 
2009-12-17 11:35:54 AM  
This is a shiatty experiment. They had a "geeky" room and a neutral room. Did they have a "macho" room, decked out with sports memorabilia? Did they have a "girly" room with posters of the Jonas brothers and pink curtains?

All this proves is that women don't like rooms with nerdy stuff in it. They could have been given a survey on engineering or theater after going into the nerdy room and they could have disliked it more.
 
2009-12-17 11:39:40 AM  

The Icelander: This is a shiatty experiment. They had a "geeky" room and a neutral room. Did they have a "macho" room, decked out with sports memorabilia? Did they have a "girly" room with posters of the Jonas brothers and pink curtains?


Sorry, that took me in a different direction than your thesis.
 
2009-12-17 11:47:43 AM  
In follow-up tests, a total of 215 students were asked to imagine they were joining either a geekily decorated or a neutrally decorated company after graduation. For every possible scenario, women preferred the non-geeky space.

So let me get this straight: women have better taste than men, therefore Star Trek is to blame for the dearth of female computer scientists. That's some good scholarship, Lou.
 
2009-12-17 11:51:22 AM  

The Icelander: Maybe it's because Asperger's is ten times more prevalent in women than in men.


Eh? Citation needed.
 
2009-12-17 12:08:17 PM  
Talon: Eh? Citation needed.

Citation provided: (^) "Recent research establishes the prevalence of Asperger's Syndrome as approximately 1 in 300, affecting boys to girls with a ratio of 10:1 (6)."
 
2009-12-17 12:17:38 PM  
There were several women in my CS classes....most of them were Asian. And there's *certainly* nothing wrong with that.


/giggity
 
2009-12-17 01:17:38 PM  
whut?
http://tinyurl.com/ybj3a9t
(copy and paste, NSFW)
 
2009-12-17 01:19:23 PM  
Didn't Yeoman Rand end up turning tricks?
 
2009-12-17 01:19:31 PM  
There were 4 women and 20 men in my integral calculus class.

Just sayin'...
 
2009-12-17 01:19:54 PM  

Kasira: No, the thing that stopped me from finishing my CS degree was the realization that I could get a business degree, and make twice as much for half the work.


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and live half as long.....
 
2009-12-17 01:20:14 PM  
If women start becoming computer scientists, who's going to cut our hair?
 
2009-12-17 01:20:17 PM  
I blame Star Trek for lots of things, but I don't think it has any effect on women in IT/CS.
 
2009-12-17 01:20:22 PM  

Snarfangel: Come on, if there is one thing Star Trek has taught me, it's that there are plenty of jobs for women in computer science, especially in speech synthesis.

/Did any of the computers have male voices, other than androids like Data?


Male computer voices? I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that.
 
2009-12-17 01:20:45 PM  

The Icelander: Talon: Eh? Citation needed.

Citation provided: (^) "Recent research establishes the prevalence of Asperger's Syndrome as approximately 1 in 300, affecting boys to girls with a ratio of 10:1 (6)."


That is backwards of what you first said.
 
2009-12-17 01:20:51 PM  
Am I missing a joke here? That's a ridiculous assertion. Everything needs to be watered down to be more palatable to everyone? It's not that Star Trek turns women off to computer science, it's that women are typically raised to find Star Trek an uninteresting 'boy' thing. Just like guys are typically raised to find Barbies an uninteresting 'girl' thing.
 
2009-12-17 01:21:03 PM  
FTA: Women who spent time in the geeky room reported less interest in computer science than women who saw the neutral room. For male students, however, the room's décor made no difference.

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"Women quite often prefer pretty surroundings."
 
2009-12-17 01:21:08 PM  
And the downside is...?
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2009-12-17 01:22:27 PM  
""What this research shows is that the image of computer science - this geeky, masculine image - can make women feel like they don't belong," says lead author Sapna Cheryan of the University of Washington."

Well boo-farking-hoo. If feelings are what's keeping women back, then they have nobody but themselves to blame. "Oh no, the guy in the computer lab has a classic Transformers toy on his desk, I can't possibly work here!"

Besides, these geeky, masculine guys themselves feel like they don't belong.
 
2009-12-17 01:22:53 PM  
Leah Brahms?!?!

WTF, subby? Why not Carol Marcus?

Leah Brahms is a simpleton compared to Carol "I created a device that spontaneously creates life itself on an entire farking dead planet" Marcus.

What did Brahms do? Ooh. She made a better warp drive. Pffft!
 
2009-12-17 01:23:08 PM  

Quasar: Just like guys are typically raised to find Barbies an uninteresting 'girl' thing.


Stick some of the naughty bits on Barbie dolls and that would change mighty quick.
 
2009-12-17 01:23:21 PM  
Rand was at least a lieutenant commander by the end of the TOS movies, incidentally.

Janice Rand (new window)

Seems to me she was a perfect example of someone who made a career for herself, even if she wasn't super ambitious.
 
2009-12-17 01:23:25 PM  
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It doesn't matter who; you can program the holodeck to make them do things a chimp wouldn't do, even for a crate of bananas.

/Gorgor has entered the thread; please follow the flashing lines to the nearest exit.
 
2009-12-17 01:24:13 PM  
What the article says, but nobody is willing to admit.

girls don't go into geeky subject matter because they're snobbish socialites who don't want to debase themselves by rubbing elbows with nerds.
 
2009-12-17 01:24:33 PM  

Fap factor 9

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2009-12-17 01:25:38 PM  
The one thing keeping women from entering the IT field is the men in the ID field.

Star Trek has nothing to do with it, except that the sort of men interested in IT are also interested in Star Trek.
 
2009-12-17 01:25:40 PM  
This just in: most girls don't like nerds...

The ones that do, are awesome. Just remember, Geekettes: The odds are good, but the goods are odd.
 
2009-12-17 01:25:41 PM  

Kasira: No, the thing that stopped me from finishing my CS degree was the realization that I could get a business degree, and make twice as much for half the work.


Ouch...

/suddenly regrets major
//back to debugging code for overpaid PHBs I guess...
 
2009-12-17 01:26:34 PM  
Previous research has found that a person can get a good sense of what another individual is like just from spending a few minutes perusing that person's bedroom. Cheryan wondered if the same was true of classrooms.

When I do that they call it "stalking with breaking and entering" but if it is done for "research" it is perfectly fine.
 
2009-12-17 01:26:54 PM  

Snarfangel: Come on, if there is one thing Star Trek has taught me, it's that there are plenty of jobs for women in computer science, especially in speech synthesis.

/Did any of the computers have male voices, other than androids like Data?


Daystrom's M-5 and the Enterprise's computer from "Mirror, Mirror" come to mind.
 
2009-12-17 01:27:38 PM  
Sounds more like "stupid, geeky men stop women from becoming computer scientists."
 
2009-12-17 01:28:25 PM  
I blame Klingons
http://tinyurl.com/yapy652
(copy and paste, NSFW)
 
2009-12-17 01:28:26 PM  
Bullshiat.

I was "exposed" to TNG during my teenage years, and it definitely contributed to me becoming a CS nerd.

I mean, they built a frellin' huge ship just for the nerds!

Who's getting the big ships today? The military and everything that makes money (cruises, merchant navy).
Today's geeks get beat-up old tankers :-(

But in Star Trek there was a ship with the express purpose of driving the geeks where ever something interesting was happening.

Combine that with MacGuyver and seaQuest, voilà: instant nerd!
 
2009-12-17 01:28:36 PM  
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2009-12-17 01:29:14 PM  
Despite being a geek from day one (calculus was my favorite college course), I was never into geeky decorations, nor was I ever a fan of Star Trek. All my boyfriends were, though. In college, I think every guy who asked me out was a CS or engineering major. I'm not sure why my appeal was so, er, selective.
 
2009-12-17 01:29:17 PM  
You know, I was going to write out a long rebuttal to this article, but the walls in this place are just the most uninviting color of slightly off white, so I think I'm going to move.
 
2009-12-17 01:29:43 PM  
Sounds like a bunch of erroneous conclusions made to justify their grant money. Besides, everyone knows there's less women in IT because they're just not as smart as men. sheesh.
 
2009-12-17 01:29:45 PM  

hogans: Snarfangel: Come on, if there is one thing Star Trek has taught me, it's that there are plenty of jobs for women in computer science, especially in speech synthesis.

/Did any of the computers have male voices, other than androids like Data?

Daystrom's M-5 and the Enterprise's computer from "Mirror, Mirror" come to mind.


Nomad from "The Changeling" would also count, I'd think.
 
2009-12-17 01:29:46 PM  

Dances-With-Lobster: Sounds more like "stupid, geeky men stop women from becoming computer scientists."


No, it's "victimization-obsessed women conflate causation and correlation."
 
2009-12-17 01:29:48 PM  

Dances-With-Lobster: Sounds more like "stupid, geeky men stop women from becoming computer scientists."


Sound like an excuse to me. No one stopped these woman but themselves.

/Java Monkey
//rolling in money
///gym, 26 minutes
 
2009-12-17 01:29:58 PM  
Really? I thought that many women avoided IT/IS/CS because of the long hours and forced overtime which tend to conflict with one's ability to raise a family.
 
2009-12-17 01:30:01 PM  
If Star Trek kept you from doing anything, you didn't want to do it very badly.
 
2009-12-17 01:30:30 PM  
and all this time I just thought it was because women are shiatty at math.
 
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