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2009-12-17 12:05:31 AM
didn't we talk about this last night

Oh wait we did

Link (new window)
 
2009-12-17 12:07:40 AM
It's on right now, and Bart is dead. Feel bad, subby? Insulting a little dead cartoon kid.
 
2009-12-17 12:20:07 AM
It's really about 12, but whatever.
 
2009-12-17 01:04:33 AM
While not in its's glory days, the last few years have been rather good. IMHO it still has a lot more laughs than most "sit-coms"
 
2009-12-17 01:30:34 AM
This season has been much better, actually. They've gone back to telling pretty-good stories, rather than stringing random concepts together.... I actually think sitting thru the episodes doing commentary for the DVDs has benefited the writers.
 
2009-12-17 01:48:43 AM
I loved last Sunday's episode about Bart wanting a baby brother.

One of the best episodes for the Simpson's in a while imo.
 
2009-12-17 01:48:48 AM
IrateShadow: It's really about 12, but whatever.

More like 22, since shorts of the Simpsons appeared on the Tracy Ullman Show in 1987.


preppunk19: They've gone back to telling pretty-good stories, rather than stringing random concepts together

Yeah, that approach has been pretty well claimed and filed by The Family Guy.
 
2009-12-17 01:50:07 AM
missmarsha: didn't we talk about this last night

Oh wait we did

Link (new window)


You may have talked about it last night. I, however, was scrounging up 5$ to pay for dinner tonight.
 
2009-12-17 01:50:22 AM
Simpsons has gotten good again. It did fall in to a rut for a while, but the last 2-3 seasons have been good. It's cool to not like the Simpsons right now, so naturally, most farkers will make some snarky comment about it.
 
2009-12-17 01:55:30 AM
seabass242: It's cool to not like the Simpsons right now, so naturally, most farkers will make some snarky comment about it.

Actually, on fark it is currently cool to not like anything. Which is fine with me, as I don't.
 
2009-12-17 02:10:24 AM
oldebayer: seabass242: It's cool to not like the Simpsons right now, so naturally, most farkers will make some snarky comment about it.

Actually, on fark it is currently cool to not like anything. Which is fine with me, as I don't.


I'm gonna go pop in my copy of Ixnay on the Hombre.
 
2009-12-17 02:11:24 AM
oldebayer: seabass242: It's cool to not like the Simpsons right now, so naturally, most farkers will make some snarky comment about it.

Actually, on fark it is currently cool to not like anything. Which is fine with me, as I don't.


Since so many people here think it's cool to not like anything, it's no longer cool to not like anything. Now, only the truly cool actually like stuff. But that's only until everyone likes it, in which case it reverts back to not being cool. Liking something that is.
 
2009-12-17 02:13:35 AM
Watched it then.

Feeling old. Yada yada

/seriously, damnit
 
2009-12-17 02:29:01 AM
Evil Cat: Watched it then.

Feeling old. Yada yada

/seriously, damnit


Who didn't watch it then? I'm pretty sure that everyone here was watching it when it began, and even prior to that when it was on the Tracey Ullman show.

I mean, yeah.. given that almost everyone here has been watching it forever, someone who only recently started watching it would be an outcast and thus cool.. but still.
 
2009-12-17 02:37:57 AM
Tourney3p0

There are a lot of kids who wern't around then you know. They like Family Guy for some reason. Really why? I don't get a lot of the references and I was born in the early 80's.

I guess once you are past 25 you realize; hey I'm not young anymore cuase I remeber shait from 20 farking years ago like it was yesterday.

/haven't hit 30 yet. I dread that day. It will, of course, only get worse.
 
2009-12-17 02:41:38 AM
Although some might argue that the moment they started doing the "start with one plot then do a quick 180 into another, unrelated story" was the beginning of the end, I say the Bart versus the white dog episode was the tipping point.

I say kill The Simpsons and bring Futurama back.
 
2009-12-17 02:42:53 AM
The worst part about my generation is we are only in our mid 20's and are already nostalgic. If when I turn 40 I become nostalgic over the times I was nostalgic when I was in my 20's you all have permission to shoot me in the face.
 
2009-12-17 02:45:49 AM
Evil Cat: Tourney3p0

There are a lot of kids who wern't around then you know. They like Family Guy for some reason. Really why? I don't get a lot of the references and I was born in the early 80's.


I must be the exact same age as Seth McFarlane - there are times when Family Guy seems written specifically for me.

/born in 1969
 
2009-12-17 02:47:42 AM
Klippoklondike: The worst part about my generation is we are only in our mid 20's and are already nostalgic. If when I turn 40 I become nostalgic over the times I was nostalgic when I was in my 20's you all have permission to shoot me in the face.

Just wait till the "Rock" you listen to end up on the classic stations....
 
2009-12-17 02:53:13 AM
Evil Cat: Tourney3p0

There are a lot of kids who wern't around then you know. They like Family Guy for some reason. Really why? I don't get a lot of the references and I was born in the early 80's.

I guess once you are past 25 you realize; hey I'm not young anymore cuase I remeber shait from 20 farking years ago like it was yesterday.

/haven't hit 30 yet. I dread that day. It will, of course, only get worse.


STFU and GOML
 
2009-12-17 02:55:07 AM
tetzy: Although some might argue that the moment they started doing the "start with one plot then do a quick 180 into another, unrelated story" was the beginning of the end, I say the Bart versus the white dog episode was the tipping point.

I say kill The Simpsons and bring Futurama back.


I think every single thing you say is true. The Brawny paper towel episode was also especially offensive. After that, they started running side characters into the ground (Gil, Disco Stu, Cookie Kwan) and doing the incredibly lazy "hey, remember this classic Shakespeare/Dickens/Bible story or historical period? Well what if THE SIMPSONS lived there instead? We think it'd go a little something like this." The show used to have heart, now it's just a lazy collection of snark and sarcasm that I call snarkasm.
 
2009-12-17 03:00:41 AM
tetzy: Although some might argue that the moment they started doing the "start with one plot then do a quick 180 into another, unrelated story" was the beginning of the end, I say the Bart versus the white dog episode was the tipping point.

I say kill The Simpsons and bring Futurama back.


Leprechaun Jockeys.

That episode, along with the then-freshness of Family Guy season 1, began an 8 year "The Simpsons sucks" period for me.

Now, watching season 20 after the show went to hi-def, The Simpsons doesn't suck anymore.

Hell, I'd like to see 'em hurry up with the season 13-19 DVDs so I can see if I missed anything good.
 
2009-12-17 03:22:45 AM
AgentOrangeDrink: tetzy: Although some might argue that the moment they started doing the "start with one plot then do a quick 180 into another, unrelated story" was the beginning of the end, I say the Bart versus the white dog episode was the tipping point.

I say kill The Simpsons and bring Futurama back.

I think every single thing you say is true. The Brawny paper towel episode was also especially offensive. After that, they started running side characters into the ground (Gil, Disco Stu, Cookie Kwan) and doing the incredibly lazy "hey, remember this classic Shakespeare/Dickens/Bible story or historical period? Well what if THE SIMPSONS lived there instead? We think it'd go a little something like this." The show used to have heart, now it's just a lazy collection of snark and sarcasm that I call snarkasm.


Well, to be fair, they don't do those episodes more than once or twice a year. That's more of a Seth McFarlane thing now.

Last week's episode had a story that was small, simple and original. Bart "adopted" a younger brother. One of the best stories in the last decade. Keep the stories simple, somewhat reality based, and they'll be memorable.
 
Poe
2009-12-17 03:31:58 AM
I got a kick out of the most recent episode, just because they had on the Smothers Brothers, and I was the only one in my circle of friends who had any clue who they are.
 
2009-12-17 03:57:51 AM
I love the Simpsons. For me the all-time greatest is still Burns selling the factory to the Germans (get off my lawn)
It was the lemon tree episode where I first got a bad feeling. I know it wasn't so bad, but I hate "jokes" like "This whole raid was as useless as that yellow lemon-shaped rock over there. Wait a minute...there's a lemon behind that rock!" - and then it seemed that that formula (Setup - Confounded Expectation = "Joke") was suddenly getting beaten to death every episode...
Later episodes still brought the funny - Hank Scorpio was awesome, (duh.)
I teach animation, and Family Guy is the worst thing ever to happen to me in terms of students wanting to imitate it - Family Guy is lame enough without having to assist in making really bad imitations of it. The effect is much worse than it was with South Park. With South Park, I could say to students "I get that the animation is bad on purpose, but if your animation is going to be that bad, then your WRITING had better be top notch, that's why South Park works" But with Family Guy, I just don't know what to tell them.
/I know I know, you like Family Guy
 
2009-12-17 04:05:16 AM
FirstNationalBastard: tetzy: Although some might argue that the moment they started doing the "start with one plot then do a quick 180 into another, unrelated story" was the beginning of the end, I say the Bart versus the white dog episode was the tipping point.

I say kill The Simpsons and bring Futurama back.

Leprechaun Jockeys.

That episode, along with the then-freshness of Family Guy season 1, began an 8 year "The Simpsons sucks" period for me.

Now, watching season 20 after the show went to hi-def, The Simpsons doesn't suck anymore.

Hell, I'd like to see 'em hurry up with the season 13-19 DVDs so I can see if I missed anything good.


I'd say you definitely missed at least 25 great episodes from those seasons, and then another 25 are just good, most of the rest are just average or hit and miss (but still better than most any other crap on TV), with maybe a dozen truly awful episodes in the entire bunch. A lot of it seems better in retrospect, I didn't always appreciate them much when they first aired, but now they are hilarious on reruns. So if you enjoy some of the show now, and enjoyed it a lot back in its prime, I bet if you give those seasons a chance you'll find some genuine classics.
 
2009-12-17 05:28:28 AM
THE WORST SIMPSONS EPISODE IS STILL BETTER THAN THE BEST EPISODE OF 99 PERCENT OF WHATEVER PASSES FOR "COMEDY" ON TELEVISION THESE DAYS

It's scientific fact. Now run along and enjoy your dim-bulb fart and sex jokes on whatever Seth McFarlane is peddling these days. And get off my lawn.

/was there in '89
//still watching today
 
2009-12-17 06:19:18 AM
Klippoklondike: The worst part about my generation is we are only in our mid 20's and are already nostalgic.

Yes, you and every other generation since the beginning of time.
 
2009-12-17 06:22:49 AM
Like I said in another thread, as long as SNL is still on, they can't justifiably cancel the Simpsons.
 
2009-12-17 07:52:19 AM
The current and past few seasons have been pretty good.
 
2009-12-17 08:23:48 AM
Show means enough to me that I have the same tattoo Grandpa Simpson has. I haven't watched a new episode in probably about eight years.
 
2009-12-17 08:28:44 AM
It's like watching an dear old friend slip into demetia
/put it down
 
2009-12-17 08:36:53 AM
AgentOrangeDrink: tetzy: Although some might argue that the moment they started doing the "start with one plot then do a quick 180 into another, unrelated story" was the beginning of the end, I say the Bart versus the white dog episode was the tipping point.

I say kill The Simpsons and bring Futurama back.

I think every single thing you say is true. The Brawny paper towel episode was also especially offensive. After that, they started running side characters into the ground (Gil, Disco Stu, Cookie Kwan) and doing the incredibly lazy "hey, remember this classic Shakespeare/Dickens/Bible story or historical period? Well what if THE SIMPSONS lived there instead? We think it'd go a little something like this." The show used to have heart, now it's just a lazy collection of snark and sarcasm that I call snarkasm.


The problem with the Simpsons isn't the writing nowadays, it's the biatching and whining that makes it onto the show about how it's being ripped off when it was a parody/homage to other sitcoms. Okay, Family Guy shares a few aspects of the premise. So what? The Simpsons does the same damn thing. Where's all this biatching and whining come from?

And this biatching and whining within the show is what caused the show to start sucking in the first place. Remember that godawful 'worst episode ever' meme? If I want a bunch of Hollywood sinecures lecturing me about what I should find entertaining, then I'll ask them. But maybe they should have focused on writing a good show instead of selling a mediocre one that had some really good days. Then again, that's always been their problem. They're jealous because people wanted Family Guy back and gave up another eight years of in-joke lecturing.
 
2009-12-17 08:52:37 AM
For me, rock bottom was the episode where Homer makes the gossip website, then gets taken to some island. If you ask me, it's almost impressive to write an episode THAT BAD. From there though, it's only gone uphill, no matter how slowly it's gone
 
2009-12-17 08:59:42 AM
Evil Cat: Tourney3p0

There are a lot of kids who wern't around then you know. They like Family Guy for some reason. Really why? I don't get a lot of the references and I was born in the early 80's.

I guess once you are past 25 you realize; hey I'm not young anymore cuase I remeber shait from 20 farking years ago like it was yesterday.

/haven't hit 30 yet. I dread that day. It will, of course, only get worse.


Don't get all bent out of shape about turning a certain age. It's really not that bad. It's not like you suddenly start wearing slippers and pajamas more often.
 
2009-12-17 09:08:25 AM
Remember: You are Lisa Simpson.
 
2009-12-17 09:11:44 AM
ModernLuddite: Remember: You are Lisa Simpson.

This episode still makes me tear up.
 
2009-12-17 09:16:27 AM
mjgrazi23: For me, rock bottom was the episode where Homer makes the gossip website, then gets taken to some island. If you ask me, it's almost impressive to write an episode THAT BAD. From there though, it's only gone uphill, no matter how slowly it's gone

With Mr X and "The Prisoner" parody? I'd say it's pretty obvious you just didn't get any of the jokes. Good lord, man.

"Why did you think a giant bubble would stop him?"
"SHUT UP, that's why!"
 
2009-12-17 09:18:27 AM
stellarossa: Evil Cat: Tourney3p0

There are a lot of kids who wern't around then you know. They like Family Guy for some reason. Really why? I don't get a lot of the references and I was born in the early 80's.

I guess once you are past 25 you realize; hey I'm not young anymore cuase I remeber shait from 20 farking years ago like it was yesterday.

/haven't hit 30 yet. I dread that day. It will, of course, only get worse.

Don't get all bent out of shape about turning a certain age. It's really not that bad. It's not like you suddenly start wearing slippers and pajamas more often.



I used to be with-it, but then they changed what 'it' was. Now what's 'it' seems weird and scary. It will happen to you...!
 
2009-12-17 09:28:45 AM
mattso: THE WORST SIMPSONS EPISODE IS STILL BETTER THAN THE BEST EPISODE OF 99 PERCENT OF WHATEVER PASSES FOR "COMEDY" ON TELEVISION THESE DAYS

It's scientific fact. Now run along and enjoy your dim-bulb fart and sex jokes on whatever Seth McFarlane is peddling these days. And get off my lawn.

/was there in '89
//still watching today


This.

also, the Simpson's has been getting steadily better for the last 3-4 years, unlike these asshats:
www.starwarfigure.com
/hot like Lois in bondage gear
 
2009-12-17 10:16:36 AM
FirstNationalBastard: tetzy: Although some might argue that the moment they started doing the "start with one plot then do a quick 180 into another, unrelated story" was the beginning of the end, I say the Bart versus the white dog episode was the tipping point.

I say kill The Simpsons and bring Futurama back.

Leprechaun Jockeys.

That episode, along with the then-freshness of Family Guy season 1, began an 8 year "The Simpsons sucks" period for me.

Now, watching season 20 after the show went to hi-def, The Simpsons doesn't suck anymore.

Hell, I'd like to see 'em hurry up with the season 13-19 DVDs so I can see if I missed anything good.


As much as I beat on the second decade of the Simpsons, it was really seasons 11-12 and a smattering of 13 that made me quit watching. I'd catch a rerun now and then, and it would always be one of the awful ones. I would like to see what else was going on. However, every synopsis that starts with Homer and Marge have marital trouble definitely meant I wouldn't be tuning in.
 
2009-12-17 10:18:36 AM
mattso: THE WORST SIMPSONS EPISODE IS STILL BETTER THAN THE BEST EPISODE OF 99 PERCENT OF WHATEVER PASSES FOR "COMEDY" ON TELEVISION THESE DAYS

please stop this lazy argument. There's also plenty of Meh shows that are better than Simpsons now.



Rubber Biscuit: Last week's episode had a story that was small, simple and original. Bart "adopted" a younger brother. One of the best stories in the last decade.



I wouldn't go that far. It was pretty good, but I felt like a lot of the plot was cut out of it. I couldn't have been the only one who was under the impression that the brother only came to Bart out of some kind of huckster ploy that never really materialised for some reason. Then the kid was back in the orphanage for some unexplained reason. The End.

The Simpsons do still have funny moments occasionally, but they're very sporadic (even compared to the wildly inconsistent Mike Scully years) and the plots feel like they're more of an idea rather than a 3 act story.
 
2009-12-17 10:19:56 AM
tetzy: Although some might argue that the moment they started doing the "start with one plot then do a quick 180 into another, unrelated story" was the beginning of the end, I say the Bart versus the white dog episode was the tipping point.

I say kill The Simpsons and bring Futurama back.


Drunken TV Cowboy played by Dennis Weaver? Yeah - without doubt number one on my WORST EPISODE EVER list. That episode was so anti The Simpsons (on ANY level) that I swear it was written by someone who had never seen The Simpsons before, but had had the basic gist of the show explained to them by someone who was not very good at explaining things - and also THEY had no idea what The Simpsons was either, and had just gleaned their information from reading FARK for 6 months.
 
2009-12-17 10:29:36 AM
Fano: As much as I beat on the second decade of the Simpsons, it was really seasons 11-12 and a smattering of 13 that made me quit watching.

you're not missing much. Honestly, as bad as the Mike Scully years were, they at least had the occasional whole episode that was great (All of his Season 9 work, Mr. X, Worst Episode Ever) or at least partial episode (i.e. great first two acts, bad third or vice versa. See: Tomacco episode).

The show now is definitely more consistent.... but boring. A lot of episodes feel like retreads of past episodes (it doesn't help that there are some way too late in the game sequels to past episodes), that some characters are included only because salary dictates the necessity, and, again, that a lot of the show's plots feel more like ideas than actual stories. It feels like the writing process is a bunch of jokes made up and then fixed around an idea that came as an after thought.


frankly, I would take the Mike Scully years in that at least the few sprinklings of comedy would at least make it somewhat worth it to sift through the panda rapings. Now it just feels like the show's still around because of some "lol we've been around a long time!" running gag that's not really all that funny.


but I also though the Simpsons Movie was the best the show's been in years.
 
2009-12-17 10:32:08 AM
Melvin Coznowski: I love the Simpsons. For me the all-time greatest is still Burns selling the factory to the Germans (get off my lawn)
It was the lemon tree episode where I first got a bad feeling. I know it wasn't so bad, but I hate "jokes" like "This whole raid was as useless as that yellow lemon-shaped rock over there. Wait a minute...there's a lemon behind that rock!" - and then it seemed that that formula (Setup - Confounded Expectation = "Joke") was suddenly getting beaten to death every episode...
Later episodes still brought the funny - Hank Scorpio was awesome, (duh.)


Good god man, are you crazy? "Lemon of Troy" was one of the best episodes ever. From Milhouse's disguise kit, to Bart's spray paint rockets, to "Spring forth, burly protector", every scene was great.
 
2009-12-17 10:53:20 AM
bidiploid: Melvin Coznowski: I love the Simpsons. For me the all-time greatest is still Burns selling the factory to the Germans (get off my lawn)
It was the lemon tree episode where I first got a bad feeling. I know it wasn't so bad, but I hate "jokes" like "This whole raid was as useless as that yellow lemon-shaped rock over there. Wait a minute...there's a lemon behind that rock!" - and then it seemed that that formula (Setup - Confounded Expectation = "Joke") was suddenly getting beaten to death every episode...
Later episodes still brought the funny - Hank Scorpio was awesome, (duh.)

Good god man, are you crazy? "Lemon of Troy" was one of the best episodes ever. From Milhouse's disguise kit, to Bart's spray paint rockets, to "Spring forth, burly protector", every scene was great.


You got citric acid in my eye!
 
2009-12-17 10:55:45 AM
Simpson has been on TV longer that 20 years...

www.nndb.com
 
2009-12-17 11:14:09 AM
I dunno, I watched it last week (Bart adopted a brother) & thought it was still pretty funny.

I'm also entertained more by a "meh" Simpsons episode than most of the other things on TV. Your mileage may vary.
 
2009-12-17 11:35:50 AM
Love the Simpsons, Family Guy, Futurama, American Dad, etc. Hell, I even can tolerate the Cleveland Show. They all have their faults, the animation may suck, and some are better than others, but there's one thing they all have working in their favor: They're not Survivor, So You Think You Can Dance, Dollhouse, Ugly Betty, Desperate Housewives, anything on HGTV, etc.
 
2009-12-17 12:10:04 PM
ModernLuddite: Remember: You are Lisa Simpson.

That is still one of my favorite episodes
 
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