A crew was sent from Wangaratta, 55km away, but was not cleared to travel over the speed limit or with lights and sirens.

Most people I know would say fark regulations when a person's life could be at stake.

Maybe she just needed something harder in there?

Airfoilsguy: She should have been more careful

Why are you a wanted man? Do you have the death sentence in twelve systems.

Bad things happen when you do something that could result in your groin being penetrated by a fence post.

Don't do this if there is no ambulance service in your area.

Crikey!!

Wangaratta seemed too far away for an emergency job in Yarrawonga.

Is the Wangaratta ever too far away for an emergency job in the Yarrawonga?

/methinks not
//what marvellous names
///could be any place in upstate New York

tomcatadam: A crew was sent from Wangaratta, 55km away, but was not cleared to travel over the speed limit or with lights and sirens.

Most people I know would say fark regulations when a person's life is on the stake.

ftfy

Maybe Santa will bring her some jewelery for that new piercing.

tomcatadam: A crew was sent from Wangaratta, 55km away, but was not cleared to travel over the speed limit or with lights and sirens.

Most people I know would say fark regulations when a person's life could be at stake.

Why do they need to seek permission and from whom? Aren't those sort of decisions left up to the discretion of the dispatching hospital/ambulance crew?

tomcatadam: Most people I know would say fark regulations when a person's life could be at on the stake.

BleedPinstripes: tomcatadam: A crew was sent from Wangaratta, 55km away, but was not cleared to travel over the speed limit or with lights and sirens.

Most people I know would say fark regulations when a person's life could be at stake.

Why do they need to seek permission and from whom? Aren't those sort of decisions left up to the discretion of the dispatching hospital/ambulance crew?

Here in America we have these things called "Protocols". They are designed by people who hopefully know what they are doing, so that when an ambulance responds to a call, the crew has specific guidelines for anything that can happen, short of alien invasion. These protocols include, at least where I am a provider, responding to any scene that is not in the process of being secured by police with Lights and Sirens.

We also, here in America, have these things called "Mutual Aid Agreements". These are made under the authority of those we elect to lead us, so that when we respond to another Town, City, County, or State, allow us to respond with all the protocols that we have trained with, including using the Lights and Sirens on our ambulance.

So while no, it is not up to the ambulance crew or (at least here), dispatcher, someone who thinks of themselves are real important in big small town over there farked up really badly.

And you Obamatons want to adopt Great Britains healthcare system? This is exactly what your going to get.

BleedPinstripes: tomcatadam: Why do they need to seek permission and from whom? Aren't those sort of decisions left up to the discretion of the dispatching hospital/ambulance crew?

Of course not, it's up to the local death panel of course. In socialized systems, after extensive review, including assessment of age, political affiliation, and general "worth", a decision is rendered in up to ten (10) business days. Appeals are a rather drawn out process, but I suppose that's the price we pay to enjoy a low tax rate of 72%.

/Should know, I have a GED in Medicine.

Obligatory Obamatroll - lame.

simpsonfan: Wow. Man eating sharks, crocodiles, deadly spiders, poisonous toads, venomous birds, baby eating dingos, jellyfish, octopi, stingrays, snakes, a shiatload of plants that can fark you up, knifey-spooney games gone bad. Australia has it all...

And now we have fences to worry about.

This is what happens when you don't have the world's best health care at your disposal.

HTF is an emergency vehicle not allowed to let fly with the lights and sirens when responding to an emergency?

FARTNOISE FARTNOISE JUNIOR: And you Obamatons want to adopt Great Britains healthcare system? This is exactly what your going to get.

There are plenty of places in the States where aid cars can't run code unless they have a fireman on board.

But go ahead anyway, you're pretty funny. (j/k, stop)

At least she didn't get impaled at the base of the skull and have her body's mass rip her own head off.

*whimper*

simpsonfan: Wow. Man eating sharks, crocodiles, deadly spiders, poisonous toads, venomous birds, baby eating dingos, jellyfish, octopi, stingrays, snakes, a shiatload of plants that can fark you up, knifey-spooney games gone bad. Australia has it all...

Don't forget the fish, the snails and the motherfarking platypus.

/Come to Australia, you might accidentally get killed.
//The Brits sent their criminals here for a reason.

tomcatadam: A crew was sent from Wangaratta, 55km away, but was not cleared to travel over the speed limit or with lights and sirens.

Most people I know would say fark regulations when a person's life could be at stake.

And then the driver gets canned for exceeding the speed limit and violating orders, or gets sued if they hit somebody going at high speed against regulations.

For why good people don't do good things, check out this article:

http://www.statesman.com/search/content/news/stories/local/2009/07/26/0726baitc a r.html

FARTNOISE FARTNOISE JUNIOR: And you Obamatons want to adopt Great Britains healthcare system? This is exactly what your going to get.

That might have been a good troll, if only the story hadn't taken place in AUSTRALIA, dummy.

And also that whichever country you're in, the healthcare system has zero to nothing to do with the AMBULANCE system, which is either a separate private system, or part of the fire department.

But thanks for playing.

BleedPinstripes: tomcatadam: A crew was sent from Wangaratta, 55km away, but was not cleared to travel over the speed limit or with lights and sirens.

Most people I know would say fark regulations when a person's life could be at stake.

Why do they need to seek permission and from whom? Aren't those sort of decisions left up to the discretion of the dispatching hospital/ambulance crew?

Seriously, what the fark? Unless it's a routine transport, ambulances should always be able to respond with lights and sirens at the crew's discretion. Fark asking for permission.

I can see getting stuck by a barbed wire fence, but how does someone get impaled by a steel fence? Do Australians feel they don't have enough deadly things over there that they have to go inventing groin destroying fences just to add a bit of spice to life?

SecretAgentWoman: Impaled in the groin.

Yeah, I stopped reading there. For either a man or woman, that's one thing that has to be really really unpleasant to experience.

shadylookin: I can see getting stuck by a barbed wire fence, but how does someone get impaled by a steel fence? Do Australians feel they don't have enough deadly things over there that they have to go inventing groin destroying fences just to add a bit of spice to life?

I guess she was pole vaulting OVER the fence. Maybe she was escaping from a rampaging crocodile and there was a huge funnel web spider in the way, she leaped for the fence and landed on the fence post. And only then realized the nearest ambulance was 20 miles away over rough roads pitted with rabid wombats.

Wangaratta and Yarrawonga are things an Aussie might say when he's drunk.

Ms Broadbent travelled to Melbourne by air ambulance with a section of fence still lodged inside her.

I dunno, that's kinda hot.

Lynn!!!

shadylookin: I can see getting stuck by a barbed wire fence, but how does someone get impaled by a steel fence? Do Australians feel they don't have enough deadly things over there that they have to go inventing groin destroying fences just to add a bit of spice to life?

A guess would be Ms Broadbent was somewhat bent and attempted to climb over at a support post. Being bent, she slipped and straddled the post, giving her both extreme pain and best sex of her life.

How long was she there with NO pics?

People in this thread fail at reading comprehension.

Nowhere in the article does it say they did not consider it an emergency, nor do they explain why the ambulance was not cleared to use lights and sirens. In fact, it's quite scant on details in general. A rational person would wait for the promised review rather than making up all varieties of unsubstantiated scenarios and pointing fingers.

f4rmerbob: Why do they need to seek permission and from whom? Aren't those sort of decisions left up to the discretion of the dispatching hospital/ambulance crew?

Here in America we have these things called "Protocols". They are designed by people who hopefully know what they are doing, so that when an ambulance responds to a call, the crew has specific guidelines for anything that can happen, short of alien invasion. These protocols include, at least where I am a provider, responding to any scene that is not in the process of being secured by police with Lights and Sirens.

We also, here in America, have these things called "Mutual Aid Agreements". These are made under the authority of those we elect to lead us, so that when we respond to another Town, City, County, or State, allow us to respond with all the protocols that we have trained with, including using the Lights and Sirens on our ambulance.

So while no, it is not up to the ambulance crew or (at least here), dispatcher, someone who thinks of themselves are real important in big small town over there farked up really badly.

Protocols are a very location-specific thing. What may fly in your corner of the US might not work two counties over, much less on the other side of the world. I have worked in systems in the US where the standard response was non-emergency, and we only upgraded to lights and sirens when directed to do so by dispatch if they judged the severity of the call to be sufficiently high to warrant the increased risk. Some of the neighboring districts had similar protocols, and some responded lights and sirens to every call by default.

It's also interesting that you bring up mutual aid agreements, because if you don't have a mutual aid agreement it can get a little fuzzy running lights and sirens through someone else's district. Usually you have MOUs with the districts surrounding your own, but if you have to go unusually far outside of your normal response area for whatever reason, it's pretty common to ask permission to use lights and sirens. In a lot of parts of the US, emergency vehicle permits are issued by local authorities (city or country), so without an MOU you have no authority to use lights and sirens outside of your home locality.

On top of that, you do realize that New Zealand is not America right? As hard as it may be to believe, they might actually do things differently there.

The people responsible for this are really lucky the woman's too injured to track them down. People who prioritize protocol over basic human decency deserve everything the genuinely offended and the simply deranged can think of. In a decently-run universe, there'd be a special spot in hell for them, where they eternally dangle by an impalement and wait for a demon bureaucracy to clear an angel to come rescue them.

SecretAgentWoman: Impaled in the groin.

In the groin.

/aaahhhhh

Just...farking...OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

/I think the boys got scared reading that
//They're in my abdomen right now

UnoriginalNick: People in this thread fail at reading comprehension.
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On top of that, you do realize that New Zealand is not America right? As hard as it may be to believe, they might actually do things differently there.

Thanks for the information, but I think you failed to realize that American or otherwise, he's permitted to express his opinion. In fact, it seems to agree with the opinion of the article, and of the people involved, that rescue took too long, and that perhaps the crews shouldn't have been told to run without lights/sirens.

You failed to notice that they said "here in America" to indicate that the forthcoming facts may not apply to another part of the world. So you failed to comprehend the obvious.

He simply explained how there are systems set-up in America in an attempt to prevent this kind of thing, which you then agree with through your disagreement and say "but what if" and indicating that there wasn't an agreement in-place.

Well gee, Captain Obvious, you really REALLY think that might be the case? Perhaps it's best not to disagree and insult someone whose statement you're agreeing with.

Or were you recently unaware that New Zealand wasn't in America, and therefore trying to be enlightening, rather than rude?

You are an Asshat, and if you're now pompous enough to disagree with me while agreeing with me, then you are a Double asshat.

Anyone who thinks private healthcare is the best way to go it welcome to enjoy the wonders that is American Medical Response.

I work for a public fire/ambulance service. The next big city over has AMR, a private ambulance service. Horror stories like this one are all too common there.

The medics and EMTs do their best, but they are understaffed and overworked, and dispatched from a big call center hundreds of miles away. Average burnout time there is 3 years. But hey, it's profitable for the company!

Dear Everyone,

We don't all suck at our jobs.

Respectfully,

A Dispatcher