If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(ABC)   "I work at a call center, and I make $10 an hour," he said. "It's surreal. I feel like a loser." Said by a guy who owes $125k in student loans and ended up with a degree in theater. Theater? Really??   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 783
    More: Dumbass  
•       •       •

24612 clicks; posted to Main » on 16 Dec 2009 at 2:29 PM (4 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



783 Comments   (+0 »)
   

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | » | Last | Show all
 
2009-12-16 07:52:22 AM
FTFA: "Indeed, if the price of gas had grown as much as the cost of a bachelor's degree since 1980, drivers would be filling up today for about $7.50 per gallon."

Give it time...give it time...
 
2009-12-16 07:55:17 AM
Not everyone is dumb enough to work in business just because it pays well if you make it.Everything pays well if you make it.

Some of us don't want to waste our life doing what we hate just because it's easier to make good money right out of the gate.
 
2009-12-16 08:06:32 AM
doglover
Not everyone is dumb enough to work in business just because it pays well if you make it.Everything pays well if you make it.

Some of us don't want to waste our life doing what we hate just because it's easier to make good money right out of the gate.


All well and good but this guy, and many like him, wind up doing what they hate for shiatty money out of the gate and no future prospects.
 
2009-12-16 08:12:46 AM
friendinpa: doglover
Not everyone is dumb enough to work in business just because it pays well if you make it.Everything pays well if you make it.

Some of us don't want to waste our life doing what we hate just because it's easier to make good money right out of the gate.

All well and good but this guy, and many like him, wind up doing what they hate for shiatty money out of the gate and no future prospects.


The thing that gets me in this article is that the people biatching about getting a degree and not getting a job are people with degrees in things like THEATER...or human development? What kind of jobs are out there for "human development?" Development, as in children learning to read and shiat? Or is this less an education/medical thing and more like urban planning or something?

If you're gonna get a degree, get one in something like civil engineering. Or go for your JD (no, on second thought, we have ENOUGH lawyers in this country). Otherwise, stop whining if you can't find a job with your BS degree in Russian History or whatever these dumb kids are doing these days.
 
2009-12-16 08:16:53 AM
Some of us don't want to waste our life doing what we hate just because it's easier to make good money right out of the gate.

Right on...chase that dream.

But STFU if you chose poorly and pursued it even worse.
 
2009-12-16 08:30:46 AM
xanadian
The thing that gets me in this article is that the people biatching about getting a degree and not getting a job are people with degrees in things like THEATER...or human development? What kind of jobs are out there for "human development?" Development, as in children learning to read and shiat? Or is this less an education/medical thing and more like urban planning or something?

If you're gonna get a degree, get one in something like civil engineering. Or go for your JD (no, on second thought, we have ENOUGH lawyers in this country). Otherwise, stop whining if you can't find a job with your BS degree in Russian History or whatever these dumb kids are doing these days.


Agreed. Honestly I think that this is a primary reason why we should have a mandatory 1 or 2 year service after high school. Military, Peace Corps, Park Service, something that will force kids to have some responsibility and a chance to gain some maturity before deciding what track they want to put their life on.
 
2009-12-16 08:43:01 AM
What idiot would lend someone $125k to become a theater major?
 
2009-12-16 08:43:52 AM
"I work at a call center, and I make $10 an hour," he said. "It's surreal. I feel like a loser."

His feelings were right for once.
 
2009-12-16 08:44:37 AM
Hrm, I can see where these kids are coming from, however I bet you they haven't even looked at all the avenues they can take for employment and rather put their "resumes" on websites like Monster.com and went with the first thing that came up.

I, for one, highly recomment looking into local, state or federal gubberment jobs as they have excellent benefits and many entry level jobs will pay you while you train and only really ask for a college degree.

Of course, I dropped out of college after 2 years because my family couldn't pay anymore and I was tired of buulding more debt. 3 years later I'm making more than all 3 examples they give in the article for a County government.
/of course, those were a hard 3 years of hourly work and making the best of all oppourtunities to get to where I am at.
 
2009-12-16 08:45:34 AM
xanadian: What kind of jobs are out there for "human development?"

Boobie inspector... crappy pay, but the benefits ROCK

/That's my kind of human development.
 
2009-12-16 08:46:12 AM
EatHam: What idiot would lend someone $125k to become a theater major?

www.independent.co.uk
 
2009-12-16 08:49:56 AM
jehovahs witness protection: "I work at a call center, and I make $10 an hour," he said. "It's surreal. I feel like a loser."

His feelings were right for once.


Maybe if he put a little emotion in his statement, he'd be working in theater, not a call center.
 
2009-12-16 08:51:13 AM
friendinpa: ...kids to have some responsibility and a chance to gain some maturity before deciding what track they want to put their life on.

It is a little odd that we tell teenagers "Ok, you need to decide what you're going to do for the next SIXTY YEARS or so...NOW!"

I mean -- I think of myself at 18 and I realize I wouldn't let that guy decide what color to paint the garage, let alone choose a career.

How many people are out there like the guy in TFA who made a career choice that parallels the girl you met the other night who spends an hour every morning using makeup to cover her "Hanson 4EVER" tattoo?
 
2009-12-16 08:52:32 AM
friendinpa: All well and good but this guy, and many like him, wind up doing what they hate for shiatty money out of the gate and no future prospects.

That's his problem. I pretty much wound up doing what I wanted everytime I've tried. I don't see why I can't do what I want whenever I try next time too.
 
2009-12-16 08:56:11 AM
Lumox: I, for one, highly recomment looking into local, state or federal gubberment jobs as they have excellent benefits and many entry level jobs will pay you while you train and only really ask for a college degree.

Yup. Especially law enforcement-type jobs. US Customs (or whatever they call it now after Dubya redid everything) will hire you, as long as you're generally healthy and can shoot straight. And a bachelor's degree starts you off at ...GS-5? GS-7? I forget now. :-/

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I mean -- I think of myself at 18 and I realize I wouldn't let that guy decide what color to paint the garage, let alone choose a career.

Let's face it: 18-year-olds are dumb. They have under-developed brains. The science says so!

/was also pretty stupid at 18
 
2009-12-16 09:16:32 AM
EatHam: What idiot would lend someone $125k to become a theater major?

What idiot would lend someone $250K to buy a house based solely on "stated income"?

Oh, right.
 
2009-12-16 09:18:57 AM
I did a semester and a half of college, and it felt like a huge waste of time. I already had a developer job that I was working part time at. I decided to pitch college and go work full time for that company. I've been consistently employed, with a rising salary ever since. Going on 17 years now.

YMMV
 
2009-12-16 09:22:55 AM
"I would rather see a child go to a community college, knowing that they can go out there, get a job and not be crushed under the burden of a prestigious degree," she said.

Yes, because your only two choices are some expensive private school and community college.

How about going to a university near home and paying in-state tuition? Or getting an associate's degree and then job at a university and going for free? There are myriad ways to pay for your undergrad without killing yourself.

Am I supposed to feel bad because kids are too stupid to figure out that it's a bad deal to bury yourself for an undergrad degree that isn't going to provide you the means to pay back that debt?
 
2009-12-16 09:25:33 AM
Well I suppose it's comforting to know that there's someone who's an even bigger f*ck-up than me.
 
2009-12-16 09:26:30 AM
xanadian: Let's face it: 18-year-olds are dumb. They have under-developed brains.

I will have you know that my 19 year old is the smartest individual walking the face of the planet. Just ask him. He will be glad to tell you so.
 
2009-12-16 09:32:53 AM
make me some tea: EatHam: What idiot would lend someone $125k to become a theater major?

What idiot would lend someone $250K to buy a house based solely on "stated income"?

Oh, right.


Well, it'd be more directly comparable to lending $250k to someone who had stated their income and it was $10k/yr, and who also had a severe gambling problem, and had been in jail on and off for arson.
 
2009-12-16 09:34:25 AM
At least my philosophy degree gave me real world skills, such as writing ability, analytical thinking, and rolling a tight spliff that burns slow without going out.

Theater? Might as well smoke it.
 
2009-12-16 09:36:07 AM
Sanskrit. You're majoring in a 5,000 year old dead language?
www.zuguide.com
 
2009-12-16 10:09:29 AM
It's hard for me to have sympathy for these kids. I graduated in 1989 when the job market & economy were pretty much what they're like right now. I had a BS in English w/a teaching degree, only to find that a glut of teachers had developed in NJ during my time in college. But there were openings in Louisiana, so I spent some time out there until the market opened back up here.

These kids need to be more flexible. Stop whining about taking a call center job because it's the only thing you can find. You're 20 years old--get off your ass and move to where the jobs are. Even with a theater major, there's something out there somewhere. I did a quick Google search for stage manager jobs (usually what theater majors go for) and found hundreds. A dozen or so of those are on cruise ships. The jobs exist, but it's easier for these kids to whine.
 
2009-12-16 10:18:14 AM
I support Call Centre backend systems so I'm really getting a kick...
 
2009-12-16 10:27:31 AM
Dancin_In_Anson: xanadian: Let's face it: 18-year-olds are dumb. They have under-developed brains.

I will have you know that my 19 year old is the smartest individual walking the face of the planet. Just ask him. He will be glad to tell you so.


Bet he gets it from his father.
 
2009-12-16 10:29:59 AM
Do student loan companies check the major of their borrower? I highly doubt a Theater major should be taking out $125k in loans. What are the odds he makes it to broadway? I would assume once he is done with the call center, he will move into the exciting world of insurance sales like every other person with a useless degree.
 
2009-12-16 10:35:27 AM
Student loans absolutely do not check what major you have. In fact, they fall all over themselves to bend the rules to shovel you more money if they can find a way to do it.

// worked in a student loan office
// best how-to guide to not owing a crapton of cash I ever found.

hint: lots and lots of work study, and as few "supplemental" loans as possible. Of course that was 17 years ago now, when a bad debt load looked more like 12K a year, not 50K. (jebus h, how do they EVER think they're paying that back?)
 
2009-12-16 10:42:12 AM
Generation_D: Bet he gets it from his father.

No...he (as many of the young know everythings here on Fark) thinks I have no clue what I'm talking about.

He'll come around...as will you.
 
2009-12-16 10:47:21 AM
Guys, I got my bachelor's degree in General Studies and now all I can do is work in a call center for $10.08 an hour so customers suck.
 
2009-12-16 10:55:37 AM
JacksBlack: Sanskrit. You're majoring in a 5,000 year old dead language?
www.zuguide.com


Awesome.

/can you blow me where the pampers is?
 
2009-12-16 11:16:47 AM
Dancin_In_Anson: He'll come around...as will you.

I did.

/lol
 
2009-12-16 11:35:07 AM
OlafTheBent: I did.

/lol


At 18 or 19, I couldn't figure how my Old Man had lived as long as he had being as stupid as he was...Mind you, he had lived through the depression and survived WWII...

When I got to 24 with a kid on the ground while working in an entry level restaurant management job, he suddenly became one very smart individual.
 
2009-12-16 11:43:48 AM
Dancin_In_Anson: When I got to 24 with a kid on the ground while working in an entry level restaurant management job, he suddenly became one very smart individual.

... and don't you just love the eyeroll when you tell them that later on in life, they will realize than they knew next to nothing at 19.

/Saving them all up for a giant "I TOLD YOU SO..." when it finally dawns on them.
 
2009-12-16 11:56:40 AM
a bachelor's degree gets you GS-5. Some agencies will give you GS-7 if you have good grades- generally 3.75 for the last two years, every semester, or 3.8 overall (etc etc, but you get the idea).

As for me, I went to state school on scholarship, graduated with 15k in student loan debt that my parents promised to help pay for (they hadn't put anything else towards college for me, except helping to maintain a car).

then I decided to go to grad school. lets not even talk about my grad school debt.
 
2009-12-16 11:57:50 AM
OlafTheBent: Saving them all up for a giant "I TOLD YOU SO..." when it finally dawns on them.

Heh...My Dad said he was the same way...His Father survived the 1906 SF earthquake and was a machine gunner in WWI. He died in 1943 (Dad says quite possibly from injuries received in Europe). Dad was on a sub chaser running between Greenland and the US. I have a telegram that Dad got when they made port in Nova Scotia from his Mother asking him to come home as his Father was dying. His ship's commander allowed him to call home. His Mother said that his Father told her that he (my Dad) was on the adventure of a lifetime and that there was nothing he could fix by coming home.

That is delivering a life message...Thank God I didn't have to learn like that. Pop was relatively easy on me.
 
2009-12-16 12:01:24 PM
$125k in student loans is the only surreal part. Everything else is shockingly predictable.
 
2009-12-16 12:04:17 PM
I spent $125k on a law degree, and I think I got hosed on even that. A bachelor's degree? In theater?
 
2009-12-16 12:12:06 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: OlafTheBent: I did.

/lol

At 18 or 19, I couldn't figure how my Old Man had lived as long as he had being as stupid as he was...Mind you, he had lived through the depression and survived WWII...

When I got to 24 with a kid on the ground while working in an entry level restaurant management job, he suddenly became one very smart individual.


"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years. "

--Mark Twain
 
2009-12-16 12:12:38 PM
Nabb1: I spent $125k on a law degree, and I think I got hosed on even that. A bachelor's degree? In theater?

For only $125k. Yeah. That kid got assraped.
 
2009-12-16 12:36:30 PM
I like how every one of these sob stories about student debt includes some idiot who chose a useless major. Theater's a new one. Usually it's someone with a Masters in Social Work. Those folks don't make nearly enough money to cover the cost of their education.
 
2009-12-16 12:38:19 PM
I still can't fathom what being a theater major entails. He paid someone $125,000 for the privilege of prancing on a stage for four years?
 
2009-12-16 12:40:08 PM
Mr. Coffee Nerves: It is a little odd that we tell teenagers "Ok, you need to decide what you're going to do for the next SIXTY YEARS or so...NOW!"

When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years
Then they expect you to pick a career
When you can't really function you're so full of fear

A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
 
2009-12-16 12:42:12 PM
xanadian: For only $125k. Yeah. That kid got assraped.

Rape, ass or otherwise, implies lack of consent. This guy knowingly and willingly agreed to take out six digits worth of loans to acquire a non-tradable asset of dubious value.

College can be a perfectly wonderful financial proposition if you study something marketable and do well.

If you don't care about the financial benefits and instead study something you love, or simply want a place where you can party for five straight years, that's fine too, just don't complain about it being a lousy deal from a financial perspective.
 
2009-12-16 12:44:59 PM
PainInTheASP: "When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years. "

--Mark Twain


An undeniable truth of life.
 
2009-12-16 12:46:27 PM
brigid_fitch: A dozen or so of those are on cruise ships. The jobs exist, but it's easier for these kids to whine.

From the stories my high school band director told me about working on a cruise ship it sounds like the perfect place for a 20 year old. Living in tight quarters with other young people, traveling around tropical islands, having free room and board for several months out of the year.
 
2009-12-16 12:50:04 PM
xanadian: Nabb1: I spent $125k on a law degree, and I think I got hosed on even that. A bachelor's degree? In theater?

For only $125k. Yeah. That kid got assraped.



It sounds to me like he majored in partying. The article said "degrees in theater". I'm guessing he lived on those loans and had a *really* good time with the lack of responsibility.
 
2009-12-16 12:51:30 PM
Alfred said he owes more than $125,000 for his degrees in theater when he's not even working in that field.

I just looked at the tuition for Queens College, part of the City University of NY. He could have been an unemployed theater graduate for just $2300 per semester (for instate residents) or under $20,000 for a 4-year degree (housing costs not included).
 
2009-12-16 12:52:12 PM
If you take out $125,000 for a degree in theater...

I don't know. I can't even think of anything to say to that.
 
2009-12-16 12:53:47 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: PainInTheASP: "When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years. "

--Mark Twain

An undeniable truth of life.


If you had the pleasure of knowing my family ten years ago as well as today you would find they are the outlier that makes that undeniable truth quite deniable. Some people actually are stupid and they stay stupid until their stupid kills them (and for at least one of my parents, the stupid did result in an untimely death).

/I surely hope it's not genetic
 
Displayed 50 of 783 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | » | Last | Show all



This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report