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2009-12-15 11:46:47 PM  
Ah, the American Northeast.... the bastion of human understanding.

/trolls the dice
 
2009-12-16 12:09:06 AM  
Police allege she was yelling and taking photographs but would not go to her room when told to do so

YOUNG LADY I'M GOING TO COUNT TO THREE OR YOU'RE GETTING COUNTS OF RIOT AND RESISTING ARREST!

My favorite comment is the one where they guy asks why the college doesn't have a program to identify learning disabilities.

There's a simple answer: Its called "admissions"
 
2009-12-16 12:24:37 AM  

El Chode: Police allege she was yelling and taking photographs but would not go to her room when told to do so

YOUNG LADY I'M GOING TO COUNT TO THREE OR YOU'RE GETTING COUNTS OF RIOT AND RESISTING ARREST!


I am not sure why the US is not now considered a police state in poli sci terms.
 
2009-12-16 12:26:28 AM  
Let's bring in the Mass. Bus and collect all these morons and send them back to where they came from.

Hmm.
 
2009-12-16 12:28:19 AM  
Ha. Hesser. That figures.

You can take them out of the hood; but you can't take the hood out of them.

/dats da troof!
 
2009-12-16 12:28:44 AM  
Just another fine example of liberal institutions with all it's peace, love and understanding.

This is not isolated to Hesser and I feel bad for the school. Look around people, college campuses have become hot spots for violence.
- Harry, Atkinson


It turns out I was done with the comments after the first one. Thanks for your derp Mr. Harry, Atkinson.
 
2009-12-16 12:30:24 AM  
I noticed the students were all black

/runs
 
2009-12-16 12:30:24 AM  
I wonder if the race is ....let me further...yup, the usual suspects as usual!
 
2009-12-16 12:32:07 AM  
"three of them women"- Really? I give up, give me a hint.
 
2009-12-16 12:32:34 AM  
Normally, I'd not take much of a view one way or another. But I have to say, in terms of being able to accurately recall and report what may or may not have happened in the dorm, and explain it to the authorities, the Hesser students really aren't doing their classmates any favors with comments like this:

"Everyone is quick to down Hesser students and call them imature but profiling people on were they come from and what race they are is not too imature right please most of the people that commented on this page need to grow up and stop being so imature especially because they weren't even their!!!!
- Ams, Hesser College"


I mean, if you're trying to promote your fellow students as mature and intelligent; even if it is a school for students with learning disabilities, is it too difficult to run your letter through a spell- and grammar-checker before you post it?

As usual, there will be those who blindly side with the students; a tiny minority who are sure the cops checked some kind of budding student riot; and the truth is somewhere in between and we'll probably never find out what it was.
 
2009-12-16 12:33:56 AM  

Gyrfalcon: I mean, if you're trying to promote your fellow students as mature and intelligent; even if it is a school for students with learning disabilities, is it too difficult to run your letter through a spell- and grammar-checker before you post it?


Is it two muck to ax that studnets just type and spel right w/o having two use a speel cheker?
 
2009-12-16 12:35:02 AM  
Put your derp up on my derp, when I derp you derp we derp.
 
2009-12-16 12:35:32 AM  
img.youtube.com

wanted for questioning
 
2009-12-16 12:35:43 AM  
DUKE SUCKS
 
2009-12-16 12:35:47 AM  
viva manchvegas!
 
2009-12-16 12:38:27 AM  
Sigh..here we go again. Not defending what happened, because i wasn't there, but as a police officer, I can say that dealing with a large group such as this, you have to go in hard and take control quickly. If that means some people get pushed or shoved out of the way, that's what you do. Hurt feelings don't matter, and as to the "level of force" it remains pretty much a constant in this type of situation. With that large of a crowd, and that few of police officers, you really cant afford to "ask nicely". First of all, they won't listen to you, and continue to fight and be stupid. They won't get out of your way, they want to stand there and argue with you, and stop you from doing your job. Hence the "obstruction" charges. In a nutshell, in this situation, you have a large group of youths who are fighting and angry, and as a police officer, you cant stand out front, and be polite. You do what you have to do within reason to end the situation and restore order. If you are a bystander, and you want to start screaming at the police who are trying to gain control of the situation, have at it. You're gonna end up getting thumped, arrested or both.
 
2009-12-16 12:38:28 AM  
Is this a repeat?
www.andyfilm.com
 
2009-12-16 12:41:03 AM  
Wasn't really a brawl. A scuffle maybe. Perhaps even a tiff.
 
2009-12-16 12:41:37 AM  
thats really gonna hurt the drumline
 
2009-12-16 12:41:39 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Sigh..here we go again. Not defending what happened, because i wasn't there, but as a police officer, I can say that dealing with a large group such as this, you have to go in hard and take control quickly. If that means some people get pushed or shoved out of the way, that's what you do. Hurt feelings don't matter, and as to the "level of force" it remains pretty much a constant in this type of situation. With that large of a crowd, and that few of police officers, you really cant afford to "ask nicely". First of all, they won't listen to you, and continue to fight and be stupid. They won't get out of your way, they want to stand there and argue with you, and stop you from doing your job. Hence the "obstruction" charges. In a nutshell, in this situation, you have a large group of youths who are fighting and angry, and as a police officer, you cant stand out front, and be polite. You do what you have to do within reason to end the situation and restore order. If you are a bystander, and you want to start screaming at the police who are trying to gain control of the situation, have at it. You're gonna end up getting thumped, arrested or both.


Fascist Pig.

/Why not just break out the pepper spray and canisters of CS on everybody?
 
2009-12-16 12:42:28 AM  
Since when did NH let black people in?

/joins UNCPWAD for drinks & flamewar observation
 
2009-12-16 12:42:32 AM  

Solty Dog: Wasn't really a brawl. A scuffle maybe. Perhaps even a tiff.


Could you describe the ruckus?
 
2009-12-16 12:42:40 AM  
Lets see, what do all 6 have in common (other than being gutter trash). *looks at mug shots*


ohhhh it's alllll clear now.
 
2009-12-16 12:43:03 AM  
I love how stuff like this draws out the racists.
 
2009-12-16 12:43:16 AM  

Solty Dog: Wasn't really a brawl. A scuffle maybe. Perhaps even a tiff.


In a way I hope you were trying to quote Yellowbeard just because that movie doesn't get a tenth as much recognition as it deserves. But that was so far off...I may be reaching.
 
2009-12-16 12:43:18 AM  
I didnt know Hesser had dorms.

It is a crappy diploma mill up here. Worse than a community college.

Posts from Hesser students on the articles website made me LOL.
 
2009-12-16 12:44:14 AM  
Stay for the flame war? For the love of English spelling and grammar, I'm getting the fark away from that flame war.
 
2009-12-16 12:47:30 AM  
It's all fun and games till people get black eyes and fat lips...ooooh, ummmm
 
2009-12-16 12:48:01 AM  
FTF artikal comennts:

When i signed up for classes it was from an air phone coming back from Israel. They made me take Wonderlic when I arrived. I answered 37 questions right and was worried that i may not get in. The admissions person told me I only needed 11 and I could retake the test as many times as I needed. The school has no requirements. Any idiot could pass that test.
- Andrew, Dunbarton


The Wonderlic? I thought that was something only the NFL did.

Also- it seems this collidge educates some of our finest in law enforcement:
as a student here at Hesser College i am sorry to say to all of the people who say this is a trash school, it isnt it is a school where students that have learning proplems can get a higher education and have the help they need. it also for people that cant aford to go to college like myself. what happened last night was just a mistake poeple make mistakes you arent humen in less you make mistakes, peolpe make bad mistake and they have to pay the price for there mistake. it dosent matter where you are from what your history is this could have happened anywhere in the country so people if you think this is a bad school then dot come here i has a criminal justice student love all of my criminal justice teachers they have spent time int he field and share there tips of the trade to there students and everything but Hesser College is not a bad school
- beth, MAnchester


Poe's law? The real thing? I just can't tell.
 
2009-12-16 12:48:59 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: I am not sure why the US is not now considered a police state in poli sci terms.


shh... you'll scare the sheep.
 
2009-12-16 12:49:07 AM  
Clicked for the comments, stayed for the win. Lots of stupid there.
 
2009-12-16 12:49:15 AM  

Poopington: Solty Dog: Wasn't really a brawl. A scuffle maybe. Perhaps even a tiff.

In a way I hope you were trying to quote Yellowbeard just because that movie doesn't get a tenth as much recognition as it deserves. But that was so far off...I may be reaching.


That is what I thinking. I just couldn't remember the actual quote.
 
2009-12-16 12:51:18 AM  
As a native of Randolph, MA, I want to give big ups to my peeps for making it big.
 
2009-12-16 12:54:10 AM  
About the Flame war;
werst spelin eye've red en a laung tyme.
Really? College students?

About TFA;
Me being a typical racist (black) man, the perps look like usual scream in the cops face about nothing important twatwaffles who need to grow the fark up.

My bet is we will see most of them in the Smoking Gun round up rather soon.
 
2009-12-16 12:54:35 AM  
Stay classy, Hesser.
- David Goss, Manchester
 
2009-12-16 12:56:13 AM  
Someone needs to throw in a Beek for the unnamed college correspondent who cracked the cop with a "place of higher learning" blast...

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2009-12-16 12:57:19 AM  
"Everyone is quick to down Hesser students and call them imature but profiling people on were they come from and what race they are is not too imature right please most of the people that commented on this page need to grow up and stop being so imature especially because they weren't even their!!!!
- Ams, Hesser College"

/Beyond the grammar mistakes, this guy is full of shiat. I grew up, and was a police officer in a big city. Anytime you have a large group of minority youths in a small place, (rap concert, movie release, rented hall) or just in a large group, odds are that there is gonna be a fight, or mob action. So yes, I can say that minorities seem to have a harder time controlling their emotions statistically vs whites. I saw it for years, and continue to see it. It's just that nobody wants to admit it. There was a local movie theater that had like six movies showing at once. Whenever there was a "black" movie released, the owners would hire extra off duty cops to manage the trouble. Why would the owners think this was needed? They learned from seeing their theaters get ripped up, and employees injured. So..they did what they had to do. There are a few halls in the city that would rent themselves for a night to whoever needed a place to have whatever kind of party that they needed to have. Whenever the blacks would show up for a party, there would always be a gang related fight, the place would get trashed, and the cops would have to come down in force and bust heads. They stopped renting the halls out.

/Am i racist? I don't know what that word really means. I learn what i know from seeing it first hand, and that is really the best teacher. Do cops really profile black people? Of course they do. Where do you think the inner city violence and drugs, prostitution are coming from? Who is doing the gang activity? If i see a car with 3 white guys in it, another with 3 black guys in it, and another with 3 black girls in it, which am i going to pull over with probable cause? Which do you think will have the drugs, or the guns, or the people with no insurance, or weapons? Which do you think would have any or all of these? Be honest. As a police officer, your job is to get the guns, drugs, and people with warrants off the street, along with responding to calls. So, knowing that, you are going to pick the car with the highest probability of those types of offenses. You aren't going to look for a probable cause stop on a little old lady going the speed limit.
 
2009-12-16 12:57:27 AM  
Even money this shiat started because somebody stepped on somebody's sneaker, dissed somebody and their boys jumped in or looked at somebody's girl wrong. Every farking time....

Normally, I'd RAGE over the fact that somebody was arrested for videotaping the police, but when you actively disrupt police trying to diffuse a bad situation, block access routes where injured people are being treated and resist arrest, my sympathy goes away quickly.

There are PLENTY of dumbass, ignorant boy-men on college campuses of all races, colors and creed that just love causing problems.
 
2009-12-16 12:57:59 AM  
Those comments. Oh god, those comments. Maybe there are just a bunch of 12-year-olds around posing as college students? I weep for the future.
 
2009-12-16 12:58:11 AM  
Flame war? I, for one, predict a well-reasoned discussion about the pertinent facts. Certainly nobody will bring up racial divides, mistrust of police, or opinions regarding college students deserving beatings.
 
2009-12-16 12:58:22 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Sigh..here we go again. Not defending what happened, because i wasn't there, but as a police officer, I can say that dealing with a large group such as this, you have to go in hard and take control quickly. If that means some people get pushed or shoved out of the way, that's what you do. Hurt feelings don't matter, and as to the "level of force" it remains pretty much a constant in this type of situation. With that large of a crowd, and that few of police officers, you really cant afford to "ask nicely". First of all, they won't listen to you, and continue to fight and be stupid. They won't get out of your way, they want to stand there and argue with you, and stop you from doing your job. Hence the "obstruction" charges. In a nutshell, in this situation, you have a large group of youths who are fighting and angry, and as a police officer, you cant stand out front, and be polite. You do what you have to do within reason to end the situation and restore order. If you are a bystander, and you want to start screaming at the police who are trying to gain control of the situation, have at it. You're gonna end up getting thumped, arrested or both.


Yeah well, who cares what you think, pig? When you're marched up against the wall with an apple in your mouth and a firing squad facing you, your tired grunts will mean nothing.

/Just doing what I can for civil discourse...
 
2009-12-16 01:00:30 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Sigh..here we go again. Not defending what happened, because i wasn't there, but as a police officer, I can say that dealing with a large group such as this, you have to go in hard and take control quickly. If that means some people get pushed or shoved out of the way, that's what you do. Hurt feelings don't matter, and as to the "level of force" it remains pretty much a constant in this type of situation. With that large of a crowd, and that few of police officers, you really cant afford to "ask nicely". First of all, they won't listen to you, and continue to fight and be stupid. They won't get out of your way, they want to stand there and argue with you, and stop you from doing your job. Hence the "obstruction" charges. In a nutshell, in this situation, you have a large group of youths who are fighting and angry, and as a police officer, you cant stand out front, and be polite. You do what you have to do within reason to end the situation and restore order. If you are a bystander, and you want to start screaming at the police who are trying to gain control of the situation, have at it. You're gonna end up getting thumped, arrested or both.



Throwing gas on a flame is a easy way to put out a fire.

How about dumping the bullshiat resisting charges since you went in aggressively and deliberately antagonized people in order to maintain control? I don't have a problem, per se, with the behavior you describe, but I do have a problem with the fact that you create the situation and then punish people for reacting. That, is bullshiat.
 
2009-12-16 01:02:11 AM  

Excen: Bit'O'Gristle: Sigh..here we go again. Not defending what happened, because i wasn't there, but as a police officer, I can say that dealing with a large group such as this, you have to go in hard and take control quickly. If that means some people get pushed or shoved out of the way, that's what you do. Hurt feelings don't matter, and as to the "level of force" it remains pretty much a constant in this type of situation. With that large of a crowd, and that few of police officers, you really cant afford to "ask nicely". First of all, they won't listen to you, and continue to fight and be stupid. They won't get out of your way, they want to stand there and argue with you, and stop you from doing your job. Hence the "obstruction" charges. In a nutshell, in this situation, you have a large group of youths who are fighting and angry, and as a police officer, you cant stand out front, and be polite. You do what you have to do within reason to end the situation and restore order. If you are a bystander, and you want to start screaming at the police who are trying to gain control of the situation, have at it. You're gonna end up getting thumped, arrested or both.

Fascist Pig.

/Why not just break out the pepper spray and canisters of CS on everybody?


Get back to me when you've done the job yourself. Until then, you are an ignorant troll.
 
2009-12-16 01:04:14 AM  

Solty Dog: Wasn't really a brawl. A scuffle maybe. Perhaps even a tiff.


YAY!!!!

/Has a cute earing
 
2009-12-16 01:04:20 AM  
I don't get. I really don't. Why stay? The cops show up and tell you to leave so why stay? You ABSOLUTELY HAVE to stay and watch two retards fight? Really? Why? Watch it on youtube tomorrow. I just cannot comprehend it.

/The stupid, it hurts
 
2009-12-16 01:04:36 AM  

Devin172: Throwing gas on a flame is a easy way to put out a fire.

How about dumping the bullshiat resisting charges since you went in aggressively and deliberately antagonized people in order to maintain control? I don't have a problem, per se, with the behavior you describe, but I do have a problem with the fact that you create the situation and then punish people for reacting. That, is bullshiat.


Don't feed the swine. He's trolling, like a good little jackbooted thug.

/The only difference between organized crime and the police is a government mandate
 
2009-12-16 01:05:18 AM  

Devin172: Bit'O'Gristle: Sigh..here we go again. Not defending what happened, because i wasn't there, but as a police officer, I can say that dealing with a large group such as this, you have to go in hard and take control quickly. If that means some people get pushed or shoved out of the way, that's what you do. Hurt feelings don't matter, and as to the "level of force" it remains pretty much a constant in this type of situation. With that large of a crowd, and that few of police officers, you really cant afford to "ask nicely". First of all, they won't listen to you, and continue to fight and be stupid. They won't get out of your way, they want to stand there and argue with you, and stop you from doing your job. Hence the "obstruction" charges. In a nutshell, in this situation, you have a large group of youths who are fighting and angry, and as a police officer, you cant stand out front, and be polite. You do what you have to do within reason to end the situation and restore order. If you are a bystander, and you want to start screaming at the police who are trying to gain control of the situation, have at it. You're gonna end up getting thumped, arrested or both.


Throwing gas on a flame is a easy way to put out a fire.

How about dumping the bullshiat resisting charges since you went in aggressively and deliberately antagonized people in order to maintain control? I don't have a problem, per se, with the behavior you describe, but I do have a problem with the fact that you create the situation and then punish people for reacting. That, is bullshiat.


/I see what you are saying, but my point was, you don't have time, or cannot act polite. Nobody listens to you. So you can't be nice. And for the charges, I wasn't there so i can't really say if they deserved it or not. I'm just trying to tell people how it has to go down. But i see and agree with some of what you are saying.
 
2009-12-16 01:05:50 AM  

Poopington: Solty Dog: Wasn't really a brawl. A scuffle maybe. Perhaps even a tiff.

In a way I hope you were trying to quote Yellowbeard just because that movie doesn't get a tenth as much recognition as it deserves. But that was so far off...I may be reaching.


I think it's:
Pew: "Sounds as though there was a bit of a squabble"
Moon: "Squabble? This ones got a sword in him"
Pew: "Must have been more of a tiff, then"

taptap taptap

Pew: "Mr. Moooon!"
 
2009-12-16 01:07:15 AM  
as a student here at Hesser College i am sorry to say to all of the people who say this is a trash school, it isnt it is a school where students that have learning proplems can get a higher education and have the help they need. it also for people that cant aford to go to college like myself. what happened last night was just a mistake poeple make mistakes you arent humen in less you make mistakes, peolpe make bad mistake and they have to pay the price for there mistake. it dosent matter where you are from what your history is this could have happened anywhere in the country so people if you think this is a bad school then dot come here i has a criminal justice student love all of my criminal justice teachers they have spent time int he field and share there tips of the trade to there students and everything but Hesser College is not a bad school
- beth, MAnchester


In the words of Ron White, you can't fix stupid. There's not a pill you can take; there's not a class you can go to. Stupid is forever.
 
2009-12-16 01:08:15 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: If i see a car with 3 white guys in it, another with 3 black guys in it, and another with 3 black girls in it, which am i going to pull over with probable cause? Which do you think will have the drugs, or the guns, or the people with no insurance, or weapons?


The only problem is that profiling tends to be self-reinforcing. That is, you find crime where you look for it. The GAO's investigation of the US Customs Service bears this out.

Customs was sued for discrimination in its screenings. Black women were selected for close inspection 9 times as often as white women. But you know what GAO discovered?

Turns out that black women were NOT 9 times as likely to be carrying contraband. They weren't 5 times as likely or twice as likely. They weren't even AS likely. Black women were actually only HALF as likely as white women to be in possession of drugs and other items being sought by Customs.

That isn't to say your observations on large gatherings of black youths is inaccurate. There is a definite problem there. I just wanted to point out that certain kinds of profiling are actually counterproductive.
 
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