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(The New York Times)   Gang violence is on the rise in Nebraska. It just happens to be on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. Yes, I said Indian Reservation. Sioux me   (nytimes.com) divider line 105
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2009-12-14 01:22:09 PM
Huron trouble now, subby.

+1
 
2009-12-14 01:29:38 PM
You can tell this is a pretty limited phenomenon once you Chippewa at the layer of fear-mongering.
 
2009-12-14 01:32:04 PM
Oh commodity cheeses rice!
 
2009-12-14 01:32:35 PM
Wrong state, submitter
 
2009-12-14 01:33:50 PM
Did you hear the one about the Jewish/Indian restaurant? It's called "So Sioux Me."
 
2009-12-14 01:34:01 PM
Isn't the politically correct term "Injuns"?
 
2009-12-14 01:34:29 PM
I'm from Cheyenne River Sioux Reservation in South Dakota and gang violence has been a problem there and moreso down on Pine Ridge for about 20 years.

This is no surprise.
 
2009-12-14 01:34:47 PM
Um, subby. Pine Ridge is in South Dakota and yes it is about as close to a 3rd world country as you can get. This has been the case for a long while in Pine Ridge and TFA is nothing new.

Traveling through Pine Ridge? Keep a loaded gun within arms reach at all times and be ready to use it. If someone is standing in the middle of the road to get you to stop, floor it and they will probably jump out of the way in time. Pine Ridge makes Detroit look safe. Not sure if it is as bad as it used to be, but still not that good.
 
2009-12-14 01:35:57 PM
The bar I work at just did a benefit for the kids of the reservation. I think it did well. I guess its supposed to be the poorest area of the country. My point? Lash Larue sang and he is Fing amazing. There is a cd out by local musicians called Pine Ridge christmas or something like that. Its good listening.
 
2009-12-14 01:36:15 PM
It's starting to turn cold out there and as you know kids act out much more aggressively when they're cold. Maybe if we handed out some government blankets to the kids there they'd feel better.
 
2009-12-14 01:38:03 PM
FTFA: One 15-year-old member was mauled by rivals

So their rivals are bears?
 
2009-12-14 01:42:01 PM
http://worldsofwayne.libsyn.com/
 
2009-12-14 01:42:46 PM
sboyle1020: FTFA: One 15-year-old member was mauled by rivals

So their rivals are bears?


Doesn't make any sense. Their rivals should be the Cowboys.
 
2009-12-14 01:42:46 PM
Crosshair: Um, subby. Pine Ridge is in South Dakota and yes it is about as close to a 3rd world country as you can get. This has been the case for a long while in Pine Ridge and TFA is nothing new.

Traveling through Pine Ridge? Keep a loaded gun within arms reach at all times and be ready to use it. If someone is standing in the middle of the road to get you to stop, floor it and they will probably jump out of the way in time. Pine Ridge makes Detroit look safe. Not sure if it is as bad as it used to be, but still not that good.


This!
/been to many rez in my day.
//although I prefer the term concentration camps.
///Yeah, I'm native, btw.
 
2009-12-14 01:42:47 PM
I always knew Nebraska was a real Red state.
 
2009-12-14 01:43:30 PM
Crosshair: Um, subby. Pine Ridge is in South Dakota and yes it is about as close to a 3rd world country as you can get. This has been the case for a long while in Pine Ridge and TFA is nothing new.

Spent lots of time out there. It pretty much is a third world country.

Traveling through Pine Ridge? Keep a loaded gun within arms reach at all times and be ready to use it.

No reason to be a chickenshiat, though.
 
2009-12-14 01:43:50 PM
I think this is the third time in the past couple months they have been talking about gangs on the res, but thats what happens when upscale housing is considered leftover FEMA trailers from Katrina
 
2009-12-14 01:47:23 PM
What an American Indian gang banger with gang tattos might look like

farm4.static.flickr.com
 
DVD
2009-12-14 01:47:45 PM
Reservation gangs have been in vogue for around 20 years, unfortunately. With all the shooting, drugs, sadness, ruined lives, etc that go with gang culture.
 
2009-12-14 01:47:56 PM
Amazing pics of Pine Ridge.

Link (new window)
 
2009-12-14 01:50:09 PM
Inuit, Subby, you Dene Navajo-ld on reality. It's Seminole that you understand that it is the Haida hypocracy to not Apache things up with the native population. You're lucky that there aren't Mo hawk's amongst the natives, or they might Comanche with a Klamath Black Foot to the face.

Then you'd be completely Pawnee'd.
 
2009-12-14 01:50:23 PM
The bar I work at just did a benefit for the kids of the reservation.

I think it's great that your workplace did something for these people, but charity has been giving to situations like this forever and it never seems to go any good. The problems seem to be cultural, and the ability to change robbed by substance abuse. I'm getting really cynical about the ability to help anymore.
 
2009-12-14 01:50:28 PM
What are their gang colors?

John Deer Green?
 
2009-12-14 01:52:26 PM
Thank you quetzalia! Hopefully we are able to give the kids some kind of christmas.
 
2009-12-14 01:54:07 PM
wicked-sprite I know what you are saying, but its for the kids. Oh and the music was really good. Did I say that already?
 
2009-12-14 01:55:42 PM
Erie that chronically poor youth would band together into gangs. So lets make fun of them. It is Fark after all.
 
2009-12-14 01:56:22 PM
clovis69: I'm from Cheyenne River Sioux Reservation in South Dakota and gang violence has been a problem there and moreso down on Pine Ridge for about 20 years.

This is no surprise.


Unemployment obviously plays a huge roll in incubating gang culture and violence. What's your perspective on what the path out might look like?

BTW- Does your handle refer to your geographic location or your genetic history? There's some interesting research around Clovis arrowheads seems to indicate that early migration was a much more complicated affair than previously thought.
 
2009-12-14 01:56:27 PM
hasty ambush: What an American Indian gang banger with gang tattos might look like

Colors, not tatoos.
 
2009-12-14 01:56:55 PM
wicked_sprite: The bar I work at just did a benefit for the kids of the reservation.

I think it's great that your workplace did something for these people, but charity has been giving to situations like this forever and it never seems to go any good. The problems seem to be cultural, and the ability to change robbed by substance abuse. I'm getting really cynical about the ability to help anymore.


To a certian degree I feel the res life style is self selecting. I work with a few natives whose families left the res. They tend to view the reservations as trailer parks, nothing good comes of living there.

Of course the problem for the kids is, it is kind of like the inner city. The local educational system will never give most of them the means to escape the res.
 
2009-12-14 01:57:02 PM
I am a Sioux Chief walking, psychopath talking
King of my steppe just a gangster stalking
Living life like a firecracker quick is my fuse
Then dead as a deathpack the feathers I choose
Hawk or Eagle, Cuz or Blood, it just don't matter
Suckers dive for your life when my bow and arrow scatters
We gangs of Pine Ridge will never die - just multiply

Feathers
 
2009-12-14 02:00:06 PM
This is crappier than Dances with Wolves
 
2009-12-14 02:04:03 PM
The reservation system is a failed experiment. Get rid of it, eliminate the BIA, and treat them like any other citizen.
 
2009-12-14 02:04:28 PM
Wow subby, you farking miss a "Suh" reference? The best defensive player in college football? That guy?
/Bitter.
 
2009-12-14 02:04:45 PM
Why the tribal behavior?
 
2009-12-14 02:06:13 PM
PaisleyHunter wicked-sprite I know what you are saying, but its for the kids. Oh and the music was really good. Did I say that already?

Yes, toys for the kids over the Christmas may not solve their larger life problems, but it certainly makes for a better holiday. That, and any excuse for great music is a good thing. Glad things went so well!
 
2009-12-14 02:06:39 PM
FTA:: Compared with their urban models, they are more likely to fight with fists or clubs than semiautomatic pistols.

*yawn*

Amateurs.
 
2009-12-14 02:06:50 PM
There's a res in WI called Lac Du Flambeau.
It's been like this for years butt, maybe not quite as bad.
I believe that tourism has a hand(in peoples' pockets) in lessening all this as, they have a lot of sucker seniors playing the slots, etc.
They have more violence in the tribal govt than in the streets.
The big tribal cheese is a mafia type and, strannnnnge things happen to those who oppose him.
 
2009-12-14 02:11:11 PM
quetzalia: Amazing pics of Pine Ridge.

Link (new window)


Hey thanks, now I'm gonna waste time looking at all his other photography, good stuff
 
2009-12-14 02:11:29 PM
joshua4: FTA:: Compared with their urban models, they are more likely to fight with fists or clubs than semiautomatic pistols.

*yawn*

Amateurs.


Bows and arrrows?

/ducks
 
2009-12-14 02:11:45 PM
give me doughnuts: The reservation system is a failed experiment. Get rid of it, eliminate the BIA, pay what the BIA has stolen and treat them like any other citizen.

Edited for an ethical viewpoint.
 
2009-12-14 02:15:01 PM
HZS9PK: Isn't the politically correct term "Injuns"?

Not today, but political correctness is a moving target. In a few decades, who knows?
 
2009-12-14 02:20:57 PM
One of my roommates durring college grew up on the Navajo res in North West New Mexico. From the stories he'd tell, it sounded a lot like the one in this article.

He always said it's not so much that it's hard for kids to get the means to leave the res. Most of them get free (or damn near) college education and living assistance durring college. However the biggest problem is that if you leave the res after you're done with college, you're more or less shunned by the entire community. All your friends, family... the people you've lived with and grown up with your entire life, they almost consider you a traitor for leaving.

So generally what happens is you end up moving back to the res after college, but there are few, if any good jobs there for a college educated person, so their quality of life never improves and the cycle just continues.
 
2009-12-14 02:24:26 PM
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Apparently the people who run this site are Indian Givers.
 
2009-12-14 02:28:04 PM
unyon:

Unemployment obviously plays a huge roll in incubating gang culture and violence. What's your perspective on what the path out might look like?

BTW- Does your handle refer to your geographic location or your genetic history? There's some interesting research around Clovis arrowheads seems to indicate that early migration was a much more complicated affair than previously thought.


Unemployment isn't the issue from my experience, its the broken families. Mom and Dad aren't home, Grandma can't relate to them and there is no reason to do anything but get high and wait for a check to come.

I don't have a cure for it, making the reservation dry won't help, Pine Ridge is dry but that obviously doesn't make it work.

As for my handle...my name is Clovis. And yes, the migration to the Americas and in the Americas is interesting and pretty darned complex.
 
2009-12-14 02:30:10 PM
2wolves: give me doughnuts: The reservation system is a failed experiment. Get rid of it, eliminate the BIA, pay what the BIA has stolen and treat them like any other citizen.

Edited for an ethical viewpoint.


Pay them for what the Interior Department mismanaged, give them title to the Federal land on Reservations and end the reservation system.
 
2009-12-14 02:32:25 PM
quetzalia: Amazing pics of Pine Ridge.

Link (new window)


Thanks for the link. There's some truly astonishing images there.
 
2009-12-14 02:32:33 PM
I am Sioux, and from this reservation, although it's in SD and it's in Shannon county, which is the poorest county in the united states, alcoholics and crazies (my people, yay!) will kill you for $2.
 
2009-12-14 02:36:33 PM
Article is gone. Indian giver.
 
2009-12-14 02:37:23 PM
Crosshair: Um, subby. Pine Ridge is in South Dakota

Well to be fair there is a tiny part of the res in Nebraska, a little town on the NE side of the border. I driven through it a dozen times but I can't remember the name.

Having been to both Pembroke Township, IL and Pine Ridge, I'm giving the poor-as-dirt award to Pembroke.
 
2009-12-14 02:37:26 PM
Non-civilized folk showing tribal behavior? Say it isn't so!

.1/16th Cherokee.
 
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