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2009-12-15 02:21:42 PM  
Baby Diego:ninjakirby: Waste your energy jerking off, it's more productive.

and this is different than what you've always been doing, how?

maybe you and guyinjeep can assist each other? make it more interesting...

btw, i'd just like to add i normally do not condone using ignore, however recently i've been convinced to start a club for pretty little hate machines

if you'd like to join, let me know and i'll add you to the list

in the mean time, i thoroughly enjoy hearing anyones perspective even if they completely disagree with me (for the record)
 
2009-12-15 02:25:14 PM  
I drunk what

One wonders why you'd bother hitting the quote button on my post if you're just going to reply to the person I was quoting...
 
2009-12-15 02:35:36 PM  
I drunk what: -to never be satisfied with the answers we have and to constantly seek them elsewhere-

But why? Why should we be satisfied with what we know? Why not learn more?

I mean, what else could you possibly do with your life that doesn't boil down to acquiring new knowledge, new experience? You have a limited lifespan- whether you actually believe you have a soul that will live forever, your time here, in this life, stretches a few decades, if you're lucky.

I'm pointing this out because you listed off milestones in exploration and science and asked, over and over, if we found the answers we sought, which seemed to imply a futility in the process.

I drunk what: i see. and travelling at warp 9 how long would it take us?

Warp 9 is 834 times the speed of light, so the travel time would be about 15.8 million years, give or take a few hundred thousand years millenia. Also, it might not be there anymore.
 
2009-12-15 02:42:46 PM  
Infinite Monkey: But why? Why should we be satisfied with what we know? Why not learn more?

To this is added another form of temptation more manifoldly dangerous. For besides that concupiscence of the flesh which consisteth in the delight of all senses and pleasures, wherein its slaves, who go far from Thee, waste and perish, the soul hath, through the same senses of the body, a certain vain and curious desire, veiled under the title of knowledge and learning, not of delighting in the flesh, but of making experiments through the flesh. The seat whereof being in the appetite of knowledge, and sight being the sense chiefly used for attaining knowledge, it is in Divine language called The lust of the eyes. For, to see, belongeth properly to the eyes; yet we use this word of the other senses also, when we employ them in seeking knowledge. For we do not say, hark how it flashes, or smell how it glows, or taste how it shines, or feel how it gleams; for all these are said to be seen. And yet we say not only, see how it shineth, which the eyes alone can perceive; but also, see how it soundeth, see how it smelleth, see how it tasteth, see how hard it is. And so the general experience of the senses, as was said, is called The lust of the eyes, because the office of seeing, wherein the eyes hold the prerogative, the other senses by way of similitude take to themselves, when they make search after any knowledge.

But by this may more evidently be discerned, wherein pleasure and wherein curiosity is the object of the senses; for pleasure seeketh objects beautiful, melodious, fragrant, savoury, soft; but curiosity, for trial's sake, the contrary as well, not for the sake of suffering annoyance, but out of the lust of making trial and knowing them. For what pleasure hath it, to see in a mangled carcase what will make you shudder? and yet if it be lying near, they flock thither, to be made sad, and to turn pale. Even in sleep they are afraid to see it. As if when awake, any one forced them to see it, or any report of its beauty drew them thither! Thus also in the other senses, which it were long to go through. From this disease of curiosity are all those strange sights exhibited in the theatre. Hence men go on to search out the hidden powers of nature (which is besides our end), which to know profits not, and wherein men desire nothing but to know.


~ Confessions, Augustine of Hippo
 
2009-12-15 02:44:37 PM  
Baby Diego: Make what you will of it.

well that is kinda the point now isn't it?

/also thanks for providing a theme song while reading your post
//now please shut it off
///frick

Baby Diego: RIGHT NOW

www.mikekloc.com

thanks you for your support
 
2009-12-15 02:48:36 PM  
Baby Diego: One wonders why you'd bother hitting the quote button on my post if you're just going to reply to the person I was quoting...

One's Answer:

its your fault, i wouldn't have seen such a waste of text if you hadn't quoted it :P
 
2009-12-15 02:48:46 PM  
Urinal Gum: For every banana out there, there is a pomegranate. Have you ever tried to eat one of those farkers? God is a sadistic entity.


The pomegranates this fall had a little panphlet beside them on how to eat a pomgranate. They actually had a little girl taking a spoonful of them out of a bowl to eat. Who the hell eats a spoonful at a time and is she actually eating the seed itself? Who has teeth that strong to crunch those farkers?
 
2009-12-15 02:55:18 PM  
Infinite Monkey: I mean, what else could you possibly do with your life that doesn't boil down to acquiring new knowledge, new experience?

um, how about applying that knowledge in a wise and meaningful manner for starts?

is the point of life simply to acquire knowledge?

He who has the giganticest cauliflower wins?

Infinite Monkey: Also, it might not be there anymore.

is that a yes or no, on the sandwiches?

Infinite Monkey: give or take a few hundred thousand years millenia

*plugs that into calculator*

"BOOBIES" ?! What the fark?
 
2009-12-15 02:57:17 PM  
abb3w: FloydA: "He" isn't a person, but a congeries of operators who all share the twinned goals of (A) making fundamentalist Christianism look bad by association with him and (B) infuriating normal people into participating in flamewars, which increase page hits, which therefore increase the site stats, which allows Fark to charge more for ads.
gshepnyc: It never occured to me that Bevets was not a single person.

Sigh. It's one person. He's not that hard to track down, if you care. Despite his stances on evolution, global warming, and abortion, he's a decent human being. He just really takes Biblical Inerrancy as his supreme philosophical assumption, and will abandon just about any other premise before giving that up.

Being crazy doesn't make you a bad person.


Bad, no. Intolerable, yes!

Basically you are telling us what we already knew, Bevets is willfully ignorant, and refuses to adjust to the realities of the world, and instead prefers to be coddled by lies and misinformation that make him feel better about his shiatty existence in this world.

Some people can bravely handle the realities of life, others have to cravenly hide under the rug of faith.
 
2009-12-15 03:19:42 PM  
I drunk what: um, how about applying that knowledge in a wise and meaningful manner for starts?

is the point of life simply to acquire knowledge?

He who has the giganticest cauliflower wins?


I'd say there is also a deep responsibility to pass on knowledge and experience to those that follow, of course. Experience that is lost when your brain rots is lost forever.

Not everyone gets a chance to really pursue such things, of course, and that's what's truly sad.

Of course, the "point" of life is up to whoever's living it. I'm sure there are people who are perfectly happy not learning a thing about the world around them. There are certainly times in my life where I'd really just like to sit on a patio and drink beer.

But it seems to me that as soon as you're not seeking more and better answers, you've died. Your heart may beat, your blood may flow, but your life is over.
 
2009-12-15 03:23:02 PM  
meekychuppet: The thing about B-Moive and Bananaman is that they they either get away with this shiat or they force academics to waste their time debunking this crap.

The solution is to ensure schools teach kids to reason so that they don't fall for this crap. I don't see that happening soon.


The Christians would probably start another Crusade if there was even a hint that their children would have to take logic and reasoning classes.

A balloon can only hold so much hot air before it bursts.
 
2009-12-15 03:35:20 PM  
Dr. Mojo PhD: My understanding is that there is a bizarre hitch in American copyright laws involving the Library of Congress and submitting works to them, but that might just have to do with the implementation of the Bern Convention for international copyright disputes.

Speak to me. In my Eighteenth year as an employee of the Copyright Office.

The hitch of which you speak does not exist: submitting works to the US Copyright Office merely registers the existing common law copyright, which you already understand.

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions: thow[nospam-﹫-backwards]col*gov

(LibraryOfCongress.gov, geddit?)
 
2009-12-15 03:36:38 PM  
I drunk what: is it beautiful? perfect?

How can it be perfect when each one that has ever existed is different from all the others?
 
2009-12-15 03:56:29 PM  
GilRuiz1: I read that comment the other day, but I just didn't buy it.

So basically you read what you believe he meant into what he wrote. Good work.
 
2009-12-15 04:00:15 PM  
ninjakirby: So basically you read what you believe he meant into what he wrote. Good work.

Well, let's be fair, his stock in trade is being disingenuous, so it is his starting position when reading, as well.
 
2009-12-15 04:03:36 PM  
Infinite Monkey: But it seems to me that as soon as you're not seeking more and better answers, you've died. Your heart may beat, your blood may flow, but your life is over.

your words sound familiar to me

/i concur

Infinite Monkey: Experience that is lost when your brain rots is lost forever.

"...I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate..." ~R. Batty

Deucednuisance: How can it be perfect when each one that has ever existed is different from all the others?

www2.spsu.edu
 
2009-12-15 04:30:51 PM  
ninjakirby: GilRuiz1: I read that comment the other day, but I just didn't buy it.

So basically you read what you believe he meant into what he wrote. Good work.



"Mufasa's death is a terrible tragedy... but to lose Simba, who had barely begun to live? For me, it is a deep, personal loss."
i224.photobucket.com

/Poor Scar... he's so sad... so moved! :'-(
 
2009-12-15 04:34:53 PM  
GilRuiz1: /Poor Scar... he's so sad... so moved! :'-(

See? Toldja!
 
2009-12-15 04:41:04 PM  
GilRuiz1: Mufasa's death is a terrible tragedy... but to lose Simba, who had barely begun to live? For me, it is a deep, personal loss."

Lets see;
Setting, body language, intonation, context, word choice.
VS.
Word choice.


So, basically you read what you want to believe he meant into what he wrote. Good work.
 
2009-12-15 04:48:18 PM  
For anyone who hasn't been to The Onion yet today:

Sumerians Look On In Confusion As Christian God Creates World (new window)
 
2009-12-15 05:22:02 PM  
Baby Diego: There is neither 'forward' or 'backward' unless you are anthropomorphizing evolution.

Not completely true. The thermodynamic arrow of time provides "forward" and "backward" directions (which are just as reversible as the thermodynamic arrow of time...); what evolution lacks is a "higher" and "lower" metric.

clyph: The problem isn't faith vs. science - it's the dogmatic adherence to a brand of Christianity -- Biblical Literalism -- that has NOTHING to do with the actual teachings of Christ.

It has very little connection to his teachings, which is not the same thing as "nothing".

ninjakirby: But by this may more evidently be discerned, wherein pleasure and wherein curiosity is the object of the senses; for pleasure seeketh objects beautiful, melodious, fragrant, savoury, soft; but curiosity, for trial's sake, the contrary as well, not for the sake of suffering annoyance, but out of the lust of making trial and knowing them.

img266.imageshack.us

Wow... Mad Science has been around a lot longer than I thought.

soupgoblin: Basically you are telling us what we already knew

In a bit more precise terms.

soupgoblin: The Christians would probably start another Crusade if there was even a hint that their children would have to take logic and reasoning classes.

Hm. I wonder if there is any data specifically comparing position on Scripturel being Inerrant/Inspired/Fables versus mathematical training.
 
2009-12-15 05:25:52 PM  
blogs.amctv.com

I asked him if he did it, and he said "I shot the clerk."
I asked him again, and again he said "I shot the clerk."


Your Honour, no further questions.
 
2009-12-15 05:43:03 PM  
abb3w: It has very little connection to his teachings, which is not the same thing as "nothing".

and was all fulfilled?

/the suspense is keeling me
 
2009-12-15 05:54:48 PM  
abb3w: It has very little connection to his teachings, which is not the same thing as "nothing".

btw do you see any error in this logic (new window)?
 
2009-12-15 06:20:26 PM  
abb3w

Not completely true. The thermodynamic arrow of time provides "forward" and "backward" directions (which are just as reversible as the thermodynamic arrow of time...); what evolution lacks is a "higher" and "lower" metric.

I sort of considered taking it in that direction but elected not to. I do prefer your 'higher / lower' language, I must admit. It better addresses the point I was making.
 
2009-12-15 07:35:23 PM  
ninjakirby: I asked him if he did it, and he said "I shot the clerk."
I asked him again, and again he said "I shot the clerk."

Your Honour, no further questions.



Ha! Well played, ninjakirby, well played! Touché! I LOL'd.

i224.photobucket.com
 
2009-12-15 09:22:35 PM  
Infinite Monkey: Warp 9 is 834 times the speed of light, so the travel time would be about 15.8 million years, give or take a few hundred thousand years millenia. Also, it might not be there anymore.

Depends on your point of view. If you are the one traveling at "only" 1 light speed, the trip will take no time at all. But those you left behind get to sell all your stuff, because you've been gone for, like, evar!

/Einstein's Fear of Relatives
 
2009-12-16 01:14:45 PM  
Infinite Monkey: There are certainly times in my life where I'd really just like to sit on a patio and drink beer.

who says you can't do both?

/have your cake
//and eat it!

Infinite Monkey: Ah, but do they smell as sweet?

*golf clap*

Infinite Monkey: is your view of science and exploration concerned with finding specific answers to specific questions?

quit stealing my questions

Infinite Monkey: I'm pointing this out because you listed off milestones in exploration and science and asked, over and over, if we found the answers we sought, which seemed to imply a futility in the process.

actually I was attempting to probe a bit deeper into a particular individual and not so much a generalization of all Man

sometimes the same question produces different answers from different people

however, as for your futility observation, perhaps I am attempting to determine how effective it is to subscribe exclusively to a Scientismist point of view, when attempting to comtemplate Life (entirely)

you see when I say, Don't hammer you screws.

I also acknowledge that it is not physically impossible to do such a thing. You can (theoretically) drive screws into a wall by hammering them. However the process itself, is 'Doing it Wrong', and not the wisest nor most effective choice.

Yes you can get screws into a wall by hammering them, but I wouldn't hang any pictures on them, if I were you.

/nor would I search for a soul with a CAT scan
//or measure it with a ruler
 
2009-12-16 08:59:18 PM  
I drunk what: btw do you see any error in this logic (new window)?

Yes plenty. See a better analysis of the sermon on the mount here. (^)
 
2009-12-17 06:44:40 AM  
Hey, everyone! I just found IDW explaining his views in a video! (^)
 
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