Is it that f*cking hard to build bike lanes/paths?

Goddamn.

Cars and bikes sharing roundabouts? Holy crap, that sounds dangerous.

Boo-ya! Hometown makes Fark!
Wait until the little Sebastopol Road farkers start playing swing-about-the-roundabout and we'll see how many cyclists use that farking road.

Roads are for cars. They cost too much to maintain to be only used for bicycles.

its called a sidewalk. get those farkin bikes off the street! and stop letting your kids ride behind you.

/jackholes
//they do it just to give me aneurisms

j0ndas: Roads are for cars. They cost too much to maintain to be only used for bicycles.

An asphalt road surface would last about a billion years under bicycle-only wear.

ramen_for_all: its called a sidewalk. get those farkin bikes off the street! and stop letting your kids ride behind you.

Isn't that illegal there?

We have well over 100 miles of that ^{(^)} here in Vancouver. Works fine.

They're going through all that trouble just to fellate the egos of a handful of bicyclists?

If you can't drive with bicyclists then you are a bad driver.

/try cutting back on the caffeine, road rage.

ramen_for_all: its called a sidewalk. get those farkin bikes off the street! and stop letting your kids ride behind you.

Nope, I pay as much in taxes and reg as any full-time driver and use my truck far less. I'll take the road on my bike any time I please and there ain't a farking thing you're going to do about it.

So will the first fatality on this road be a single mother with six kids whose husband died in Iraq, a young child on their birthday or a local politician?

Invite the bikes, remove the stop signs, and turn off the lights. Sounds like a great idea.


/better schedule;e overtime at the local hospital.

The issue isn't cars and bikes traveling on the same road. The issue is cars and bikes traveling on the same road with on-street parking. On-street parking leaves the bike in a narrow precarious strip of no-man's land with hazards on both sides at all times.

Mark my words, this thread will have over 800, flame-waring posts.

I won't read them all, but if I did, I'd once again be shocked at how ignorant and self-centered car drivers can be when it comes to sharing the road.

My favorite ignorance-revealing comment will be, "fark bicyclists, they don't come to complete stops at stop signs! Outrage! Outrage!" while failing to recognize a one-ton steel box is much harder to slow/stop than a person on a bicycle and that the rules of the road should not be identical for both types of transportation, just because you once saw this guy on a bike blow through a red light.

Oh! Oh! Is this yet another thread where tax paying asshole drivers get all ticked off about tax paying asshole cyclists and vice versa?

For christ sakes, why is this a problem? If you don't like it, I'm sure you can take a detour. Do people have to biatch every time something new is tried out?

Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Why not just build some bike lanes?

Freak da Zilla: For christ sakes, why is this a problem? If you don't like it, I'm sure you can take a detour. Do people have to biatch every time something new is tried out?

Dude, come on, you've been a Farker for six years.

ramen_for_all: its called a sidewalk. get those farkin bikes off the street! and stop letting your kids ride behind you.

/jackholes
//they do it just to give me aneurisms

Its more dangerous to bike on the sidewalk than on the street.

/more unpredictable
//not to mention pedestrians

Crown_of_Shoes: I won't read them all, but if I did, I'd once again be shocked at how ignorant and self-centered car drivers can be when it comes to sharing the road.

There is a type of human being who thinks like this:

- If driving, they curse at the bikers and pedestrians.
- If biking, they curse at the drivers and pedestrians.
- If walking, they curse at the drivers and bikers.

There are a lot of 'em around.

I hate roundabouts.

Riding bikes around Salzburg I commonly ride in the street when there are no bike lanes. It's legal and commonplace. Drivers expect it.

Get with the program, America

Knucklepopper

Make sure we know which Fark article is the one where you get run off the road.

Regardless of who is right and who is wrong, the person on the bike is the one that gets hurt... and until bicycles pay comparable taxes (gas taxes) to cars to use them, then many drivers will always see bikes as "second-class road users".

I can't believe people with cars are actually complaining about taking a new side street to get to Safeway. It's not like driving another 45 or 90 seconds is going to matter.

I wish there was a picture of a car plowing into a bunch of dumbass bicyclists.

There are plenty of asshole cyclists who ride near the middle of the lane instead of along the side, and plenty of jackass drivers who have to drive on the wrong side of the road to avoid a cyclist riding a foot away from the curb (or parked cars, for that matter. Nothing irks me more than someone who dives over the yellow line to avoid the ever-dangerous parked car).

/Flame on.

Anyone who says that bikes should stay on the sidewalk needs to shut up. Go to any major city and see if you like the dumbasses riding on the sidewalk. I almost get run over about once a week by idiots who ride on the sidewalks.

Nakito: Crown_of_Shoes: I won't read them all, but if I did, I'd once again be shocked at how ignorant and self-centered car drivers can be when it comes to sharing the road.

There is a type of human being who thinks like this:

- If driving, they curse at the bikers and pedestrians.
- If biking, they curse at the drivers and pedestrians.
- If walking, they curse at the drivers and bikers.

There are a lot of 'em around.

Yes, but just one of these groups doesn't have the prerogative (car drivers) because

- They are complaining simply because they are inconvenienced
- They are capable of horribly mauling members of the other two categories.
- They use up far more resources than the others.
- They fail to see that members of the other two categories help reduce/prevent THEIR traffic.


FWIW, it's stupid that cars should ever be prohibited from passing bicyclists. It would just be nice if they sometimes gave a shiat in even the slightest.

BunkyBrewman: We're doing the same kind of thing here in Philadelphia. But, instead of those rules, the bike lanes are being carved out of many of the streets.

they're also trying to destroy bike riding on the sidewalks at the same time. Which makes me a very happy camper.

bravian:

Its more dangerous to bike on the sidewalk than on the street.

/more unpredictable
//not to mention pedestrians


No - Lets Mention the pedestrians. Because, around here, THEY don't use the sidewalks either. A sidewalk on either side of the road, and two fat-arsed mommas pushing baby carriages are thundering slowly down the middle of the street like bovine on the hoof.

Why not rip out the damned sidewalks, reclaim 10 feet of useable space, and create a second, fat lane of non-powered blacktop with a 3-foot grass divider to keep the cars and the people safely separate?

I still don't see why bike lanes aren't incorporated with the sidewalks rather than the roads. The speeds are never up to car speed on a bicycle not to mention the lack of a 3000 lb (light models) barrier between you and the other multi-thousand pound vehicles.

public roads are for the use of the public, all of the public, not just some self selected elite. That means everyone from kids playing ball, walkers, runner, bicyclists, mopeds, motorcycles, agricultural equipment, automobiles, up through the various weights and sizes of commercial trucks.

The only exceptions are roads built for a specific purpose, like the Interstates and some state built limited access highways, as well as some paths built just for pedestrians or just bicycles.

This means, or should mean, that everyone has to share.

/yeah 'should'. I know...

ibanezdude: Nothing irks me more than someone who dives over the yellow line to avoid the ever-dangerous parked car

yah, because nobody ever opens the door to get out of their parked car, mr. turd for brains.

/are you really this stupid in real life?

ramen_for_all: its called a sidewalk. get those farkin bikes off the street! and stop letting your kids ride behind you.

/jackholes
//they do it just to give me aneurisms

It's neither bikes nor cars that should stay off the road, it's you and your ilk.

EmmaLou: I don't mind bike riders on the road, however, they need to realize they're not cars. I'm not sure when it became all the rage to ride in the lanes and veer into the paths of cars on busy roads, but when I was a kid I was taught to ride on the side of the road and if I needed to go down another street I was told to stop and look both ways before crossing.

This is exactly the kind of boogey man shiat I'm talking about. Who honestly does this on a bike? I bike commute every day and I've never once seen a car have to "slam on its brakes" in order to avoid a bicyclist. Also, I love your logic: First, they are "not cars," then you give an example of something even cars are not permitted to do. So which is it? Should they demur to autos or are they behaving excessively, even for illustrious car standards?

BlippityBleep: I still don't see why bike lanes aren't incorporated with the sidewalks rather than the roads. The speeds are never up to car speed on a bicycle not to mention the lack of a 3000 lb (light models) barrier between you and the other multi-thousand pound vehicles.

Because turning vehicles don't expect things to come out of sidewalks at 15 mph. Turning vehicles are enough of a danger to bikes as is.

I agree that bikes on major roads are horrible. But in a city setting, biking in the street is by far the better option. I don't bike because I'm terrified enough based on them nearly hitting me while walking or driving, but they are, mostly, just normal traffic in a city setting.

BlippityBleep: I still don't see why bike lanes aren't incorporated with the sidewalks rather than the roads. The speeds are never up to car speed on a bicycle not to mention the lack of a 3000 lb (light models) barrier between you and the other multi-thousand pound vehicles.

Because while driving you are more likely to hit a cyclist using sidewalks (than roads) while making a right turn.

luckyeddie: I saw a roundabout that had cars, motor cycles, chariots, horses, panda bears, a fire engine, tea pots, a bus and large ducks on it.

Didn't look that dangerous.

Nobody will get that. Round these here parts them thar's called Merry-Go-Rounds.

Crown_of_Shoes: EmmaLou: I don't mind bike riders on the road, however, they need to realize they're not cars. I'm not sure when it became all the rage to ride in the lanes and veer into the paths of cars on busy roads, but when I was a kid I was taught to ride on the side of the road and if I needed to go down another street I was told to stop and look both ways before crossing.

This is exactly the kind of boogey man shiat I'm talking about. Who honestly does this on a bike? I bike commute every day and I've never once seen a car have to "slam on its brakes" in order to avoid a bicyclist. Also, I love your logic: First, they are "not cars," then you give an example of something even cars are not permitted to do. So which is it? Should they demur to autos or are they behaving excessively, even for illustrious car standards?

I've had this exact thing happen to me. I almost creamed junior and his date (who was riding on his handle bars) when they just swerved in front of me without checking the lane.

Then there are the douche cyclists that ride two abreast and won't get into single file for the second it would take to pass them and we could get on our merry way. Instead they sit there going 20 mph on a 45 mph street and derp derp derp their way along.

I ride a bike to commute regularly but lots of cyclists piss me off.

cryptozoophiliac: If you can't drive with bicyclists then you are a bad driver.

I say the same thing about cyclists.

Ablejack: BlippityBleep: I still don't see why bike lanes aren't incorporated with the sidewalks rather than the roads. The speeds are never up to car speed on a bicycle not to mention the lack of a 3000 lb (light models) barrier between you and the other multi-thousand pound vehicles.

Because while driving you are more likely to hit a cyclist using sidewalks (than roads) while making a right turn.

I didn't even think of that. I figured us pedestrians were more likely to throw out a clothes-line than motorists