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(CBS4Denver - KCNC)   Reporter is fired after writing a story critical of how Vail calculates snow totals. "Vail Resorts is a customer and this newpaper is a business, and we have to watch out for the bottom line."   (cbs4denver.com) divider line 121
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2009-12-13 08:33:05 AM
The reporter was fired? Does anyone on that idiotic paper know what their blind or brain-dead editor does for a living? Do they even have one? The "Fail" tag needs to go to the paper's CEO and the moranic editor (if he or she exists), not the reporter who was writing the truth (and by the way, finding interesting and newsworthy stories was his job, it's what you paid him to do).
 
2009-12-13 08:47:10 AM
Screw the facts, ma'am, there's money to be made!
 
2009-12-13 08:51:39 AM
The editor thinks the "fourth estate" is a 120 acre lot half way up the mountain.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2009-12-13 09:06:10 AM
A few weeks ago there was a story about inaccurate snow reporting in the Northeast. It ran on NPR and was mostly ignored. Ski slopes would consistently report more snow than nearby weather stations at the same elevation. The researcher said now that everybody on the slopes has a cell phone ski slopes' reports are more consistent with weather stations'.
 
2009-12-13 09:09:45 AM
... can't imagine why people have cancelled their newspaper subscriptions in droves.....
 
2009-12-13 09:11:14 AM
All resorts fudge the snowfall totals.

I used to think it was funny that The Canyons (aka Wolf Mt., Park West) started to receive a lot more snow after they were purchased by American Ski Co. in 1997. This was before the huge expansion. They lied about the totals and everybody knew it. It was that simple. They were selling real estate, not lift tickets, they had to create some hype. The Canyons is now the largest resort in Utah and American Ski Co is out of business.

/ skied 120 or so days a year until I ruined my spine in '03
// free your heel and your mind will follow.
/// If you care at all about powder skiing, you don't go to a resort anyway, so what's the big deal?
 
2009-12-13 09:24:29 AM
Newspapers were swimming in money for about 20 years, up until the dotcom crash of 2000/2001. This is the era in which most newspaper executives of now got their experience in print media management.

The result? 20% profit margins are unacceptable. Cut to the bone until you show double-digit gains over last year. Anything under 10% profit is considered a "bad year" and expect management changes throughout, including your publisher.

I've consulted with dozens of newspapers this past year and not a single one of them was unprofitable. They were all, however, not profitable as to their corporate expectations (not all the same company as well) and as such trimmed staff down to where taking vacation was damn near impossible for anyone.

Lack of advertising revenue won't kill newspapers, their skeleton crew staff minus 10% not giving a damn anymore will.
 
2009-12-13 09:28:00 AM
This is nothing new. Last winter Vail had a photographer suspended from his job after he took shots of a guy who was stuck hanging bare-assed in a lift mishap.
 
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2009-12-13 09:36:21 AM
"Advertisements... contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper."

- Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Nathaniel Macon, January 12, 1819
 
2009-12-13 09:37:35 AM
Rule #1, never piss off your advertisers.
 
2009-12-13 09:46:25 AM
In the 80's I worked for a small daily newspaper in Northern California. One of our reporters filed a story concerning a local chain of grocery stores that had altered all their meat scales to cheat customers. The publisher of my paper refused to run the story, because the owner of the chain was a friend, and a large advertiser so the reporter quit, went to a nearby larger paper and ran the story, to include our publisher's refusal to run the story. All employees at our newspaper considered her a hero.
 
2009-12-13 09:47:39 AM
2xhelix: This is nothing new. Last winter Vail had a photographer suspended while they investigated from his job after he took, then sold to TSG, shots of a guy who was stuck hanging bare-assed in a lift mishap, in violation of the company's policies.

FTFY, and added proper emphasis.

/Sounds like the reporter here was a serial fark-up
//And newspapers don't need much of an excuse to fire people these days
 
2009-12-13 09:48:35 AM
HectorSchwartz: All resorts fudge the snowfall totals.

I used to think it was funny that The Canyons (aka Wolf Mt., Park West) started to receive a lot more snow after they were purchased by American Ski Co. in 1997. This was before the huge expansion. They lied about the totals and everybody knew it. It was that simple. They were selling real estate, not lift tickets, they had to create some hype. The Canyons is now the largest resort in Utah and American Ski Co is out of business.

/ skied 120 or so days a year until I ruined my spine in '03
// free your heel and your mind will follow.
/// If you care at all about powder skiing, you don't go to a resort anyway, so what's the big deal?


Yay, a fellow pinhead. You meet them in the most unlikely places.
/ East coast freeheeler
 
2009-12-13 09:50:04 AM
I realize TFA was horribly written, but didn't anyone read beyond the first paragraph?

The guy was reusing quotes, not getting alternate points of view, but presenting the articles as investigative anyway. It's only touched on briefly, but you've got to know that there's more to the story here.

Surely Farkers should be the first to recognize that a superficial summary of something "reporter fired for pissing off advertiser!" are... well, superficial.
 
2009-12-13 09:50:42 AM
When I was a kid, the local ski slope had this one tree-mounted snow gun that was never repositioned. It just added inch after inch of man-made snow on this massive pile. Of course, that's where they measured their 'base.'
 
2009-12-13 09:50:51 AM

According to Berwyn, it is against company policy for a reporter to write a column that relates to their specific beat. Berwyn said he had done it several times, but this was the first time he had been reprimanded for doing so.


Hrrm. Interesting.
 
2009-12-13 09:51:01 AM
Jeff Gerstmann laughs at your shenanigans.
 
2009-12-13 09:53:08 AM
So it's news that the news is not news.
Meanwhile mock news shows and mock news sites are the only places to get actual news.
Good news Drew, you could be the next Hearst.
 
2009-12-13 09:53:14 AM
eddyatwork: Rule #1, never piss off your advertisers.

When your industry is near death, this is probably true.

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: In the 80's I worked for a small daily newspaper in Northern California. One of our reporters filed a story concerning a local chain of grocery stores that had altered all their meat scales to cheat customers. The publisher of my paper refused to run the story, because the owner of the chain was a friend, and a large advertiser so the reporter quit, went to a nearby larger paper and ran the story, to include our publisher's refusal to run the story. All employees at our newspaper considered her a hero.

But, see, this is where the writer and editor are both cowards. Most states have an agency that, you know, checks the accuracy of things like scales and pumps, just for that reason. Call up the state, get them involved, and you never have to publish it, unless they refuse to fix the problem, and the state isn't going to put them out of business for it. Just running a story to make them look bad without trying to work it behind-the-scenes first is cowardice. Not running it if they refuse to fix the problems is, too.
 
2009-12-13 09:53:31 AM
Don't forget this controversy is about snow. The resorts exaggerate snow fall?!! Oh my God! Perhaps the next story this courageous reporter will break is underage drinking. Eff'n hack.

...and as someone noted above, if this was such a problem, where was the paper's editor to pull it before being published?
 
2009-12-13 09:54:17 AM
We're probably not getting the whole story. I'll wait to read about it in Editor & Publisher.
 
2009-12-13 09:54:53 AM
UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: In the 80's I worked for a small daily newspaper in Northern California. One of our reporters filed a story concerning a local chain of grocery stores that had altered all their meat scales to cheat customers. The publisher of my paper refused to run the story, because the owner of the chain was a friend, and a large advertiser so the reporter quit, went to a nearby larger paper and ran the story, to include our publisher's refusal to run the story. All employees at our newspaper considered her a hero.

She was a hero. In this case the guy was fired after the story. I wonder if he would have taken the story somewhere else if they threatened him.
 
2009-12-13 09:55:05 AM
Pardon Me Sultan: The guy was reusing quotes, not getting alternate points of view, but presenting the articles as investigative anyway. It's only touched on briefly, but you've got to know that there's more to the story here.

That paragraph and the one I posted should have been the central theme of the article. The writer sounds like all he did was daydream about blow driers and strange weathergirl pussy all through journalism school.
 
2009-12-13 09:55:27 AM
Pardon Me Sultan: I realize TFA was horribly written, but didn't anyone read beyond the first paragraph?

The guy was reusing quotes, not getting alternate points of view, but presenting the articles as investigative anyway. It's only touched on briefly, but you've got to know that there's more to the story here.

Surely Farkers should be the first to recognize that a superficial summary of something "reporter fired for pissing off advertiser!" are... well, superficial.


Not really. There's one complaint - by the same advertiser that was pissed off at this guy - that the reporter used quotes, however he was never reprimanded for this. It also says he wrote on subjects covering his beat, but was never reprimanded for this.

I think when the CEO of a company calls to biatch at you, there's not much more to the story besides piss off advertiser=get fired.
 
2009-12-13 09:56:07 AM
This is why there are so few newspaper stories about automotive car dealership scams.

"The bank says you have to buy this credit life insurance policy from my wife."
 
2009-12-13 09:57:08 AM
in the wake of the Tiger scandal there has been a lot of navel gazing about the difference between traditional and new media. those in print jobs often talk about how they have to abide by certain journalistic principles which bloggers and TMZ can flout. these sorts of stories really undermine that position.

it's not about principles, it's about money.
 
2009-12-13 09:57:29 AM
thamike: Pardon Me Sultan: The guy was reusing quotes, not getting alternate points of view, but presenting the articles as investigative anyway. It's only touched on briefly, but you've got to know that there's more to the story here.

That paragraph and the one I posted should have been the central theme of the article. The writer sounds like all he did was daydream about blow driers and strange weathergirl pussy all through journalism school.


Not really. Did you see who made those allegations? The same company that is pissed off at this guy.

Sounds like they are trying to discredit him - to deflect attention from their questionable snow reporting tactics - and it's working, at least on some people.
 
2009-12-13 09:58:28 AM
hurdboy: But, see, this is where the writer and editor are both cowards. Most states have an agency that, you know, checks the accuracy of things like scales and pumps, just for that reason. Call up the state, get them involved, and you never have to publish it, unless they refuse to fix the problem, and the state isn't going to put them out of business for it. Just running a story to make them look bad without trying to work it behind-the-scenes first is cowardice. Not running it if they refuse to fix the problems is, too.

I apologize, my post was written badly. Our state bureau of weights and measures were the ones who contacted our reporter. So there was already an investigation filed, and completed, with penalties dished out. She reported it, and had her story withdrawn. Sorry for the confusion.
 
2009-12-13 09:59:32 AM
So, this isn't gonna turn into a Global Warming thread? Darn.
 
2009-12-13 09:59:39 AM
AlGore must be a customer to MSM.
 
2009-12-13 09:59:53 AM
What a shocker. Media is biased.
 
2009-12-13 10:00:21 AM
Pardon Me Sultan: The guy was reusing quotes, not getting alternate points of view, but presenting the articles as investigative anyway. It's only touched on briefly, but you've got to know that there's more to the story here.

FTFA:

"Vail Resorts said they had recently become concerned about a series of Berwyn's stories. Company officials said they frequently felt that Berwyn didn't seek their comment on stories that related to them. In one instance, Vail Resorts said Berwyn reused quotes from a story that ran six months earlier and were not accurate. "

It's not unusual to reuse quotes depending on the story and context. Often it can be used to bring background into a story when it's likely the reader won't have first-hand knowledge of ongoing events. But they should never be used unless it's made clear the quote is not a recent statement.

"'The snow is great,' Bob Jones said last winter." If you run that quote in a story that prints in record-breaking July heat, without the 'last winter' part it becomes quite confusing for the reader.

So the statement "He's reusing our quotes" is vague, but not completely without merit.
 
2009-12-13 10:00:24 AM
Pardon Me Sultan: I realize TFA was horribly written, but didn't anyone read beyond the first paragraph?

The guy was reusing quotes, not getting alternate points of view, but presenting the articles as investigative anyway. It's only touched on briefly, but you've got to know that there's more to the story here.

Surely Farkers should be the first to recognize that a superficial summary of something "reporter fired for pissing off advertiser!" are... well, superficial.


Well hello there Vail Resorts CEO Rob Katz, hope you enjoy your snow!
 
2009-12-13 10:01:39 AM
Kind of like the truth where Obama's Secretary of Health wrote papers advocating to children the benefits of fisting?!?
 
2009-12-13 10:02:20 AM
Wanted for questioning
s3.amazonaws.com
 
2009-12-13 10:03:35 AM
hurdboy: When your industry is near death, this is probably true.

I think the problem with the newspaper industry is the publisher. That really needs to get shaken up. They are Johnny-come-lately on every single journalistic business trend. There should be absolutely no competition for printed news. Instead of creating a new singular cultural identity and foothold, these idiots try to compete with the internet, radio, and television. It's really the main reason newspapers are failing. You can't get news out faster than the internet, so stop trying. The internet doesn't have to worry about embarrassing corrections. News papers are not supposed to be rush jobs. Stop competing with the shock value of radio and television. Newspapers are not supposed to be shocking, and could never be as visually stimulating as moving images with audio, so just f*cking quit competing with television. Newspapers need to readjust into a feature-oriented deep analysis model on a national level, and an Economist news brief model for local/regional.

/but I digress...
 
2009-12-13 10:04:08 AM
eddyatwork: Rule #1, never piss off your advertisers.

One of our papers caught some flak from an advertiser a year or two ago because we ran a syndicated auto review critical of a certain type of car right next to the guy's half-page pushing a sale on that particular model.

It was brought to our editor's attention and he basically had a "Meh..." type of attitude about it.

That dealership still advertises with us. We still run the syndicated auto column.

I was told, when I first started my job - No 'quid pro quo'... Ever... It's a slippery slope, and the minute you start doing that you're less a newspaper then you are an advertising flyer.
 
2009-12-13 10:06:21 AM
Mr_Master2: Not really. Did you see who made those allegations? The same company that is pissed off at this guy.

Sounds like they are trying to discredit him - to deflect attention from their questionable snow reporting tactics - and it's working, at least on some people.


I was talking about the writer of the article. The linked article.
 
2009-12-13 10:07:11 AM
DoughyGuy: I was told, when I first started my job - No 'quid pro quo'... Ever... It's a slippery slope, and the minute you start doing that you're less a newspaper then you are an advertising flyer.

Damn straight.
 
2009-12-13 10:08:24 AM
Nemo's Brother: AlGore must be a customer to MSM.

I spoke 7 seconds too soon.
 
2009-12-13 10:11:16 AM
hurdboy: eddyatwork:
UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: In the 80's I worked for a small daily newspaper in Northern California. One of our reporters filed a story concerning a local chain of grocery stores that had altered all their meat scales to cheat customers. The publisher of my paper refused to run the story, because the owner of the chain was a friend, and a large advertiser so the reporter quit, went to a nearby larger paper and ran the story, to include our publisher's refusal to run the story. All employees at our newspaper considered her a hero.

But, see, this is where the writer and editor are both cowards. Most states have an agency that, you know, checks the accuracy of things like scales and pumps, just for that reason. Call up the state, get them involved, and you never have to publish it, unless they refuse to fix the problem, and the state isn't going to put them out of business for it. Just running a story to make them look bad without trying to work it behind-the-scenes first is cowardice. Not running it if they refuse to fix the problems is, too.


That's crap. It's a reporter's job to TELL of cheating, not fix it. Chances are, a fix was a byproduct of the article -- and you don't know that the story didn't include comments from regulators. But the role of a reporter is to report the news, not MAKE it. I wish more would remember that.
 
2009-12-13 10:12:16 AM
Worried about the fricking snow and we've got people running the country advocating fisting. Everyone's enamored with Tiger's infidelities, but a Montana Senator promoted his mistress, took her traveling and gave her raises with OUR money and no one gives a sh*t.

At least Tiger used his money. Oh, but he doesn't deserve to be that rich, right? Farking sheeple.

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/12/merry-fist-mas-media-matters-no-we r e-not-finished-yet/
 
2009-12-13 10:12:39 AM
Fellows: Newspapers were swimming in money for about 20 years, up until the dotcom crash of 2000/2001. This is the era in which most newspaper executives of now got their experience in print media management.

The result? 20% profit margins are unacceptable. Cut to the bone until you show double-digit gains over last year. Anything under 10% profit is considered a "bad year" and expect management changes throughout, including your publisher.

I've consulted with dozens of newspapers this past year and not a single one of them was unprofitable. They were all, however, not profitable as to their corporate expectations (not all the same company as well) and as such trimmed staff down to where taking vacation was damn near impossible for anyone.

Lack of advertising revenue won't kill newspapers, their skeleton crew staff minus 10% not giving a damn anymore will.


I live in Baltimore and know several people who got axed by The Sun, so I totally understand. The best part was the week after the 60 people were laid off, Tribune asked the bankruptcy court for permission to pay millions of dollars in bonuses. Crooks.
 
2009-12-13 10:14:04 AM
hurdboy: But, see, this is where the writer and editor are both cowards. Most states have an agency that, you know, checks the accuracy of things like scales and pumps, just for that reason. Call up the state, get them involved, and you never have to publish it, unless they refuse to fix the problem, and the state isn't going to put them out of business for it. Just running a story to make them look bad without trying to work it behind-the-scenes first is cowardice. Not running it if they refuse to fix the problems is, too.

I completely disagree with this.
 
2009-12-13 10:14:19 AM
Alleyoop: So, this isn't gonna turn into a Global Warming thread? Darn.

That's so 2007 (NYTimes)
 
2009-12-13 10:14:41 AM
thamike: Mr_Master2: Not really. Did you see who made those allegations? The same company that is pissed off at this guy.

Sounds like they are trying to discredit him - to deflect attention from their questionable snow reporting tactics - and it's working, at least on some people.

I was talking about the writer of the article. The linked article.


I think the reason the writer of the linked article didn't make a bigger deal over the other allegations is because they simply are not important.

They are being made by the same company that is pissed off at the guy who exposed their snow reporting tactics. Again, they are a cheap attempt to discredit Bob Berwyn, and have to be taken with a grain of salt. The writer of the linked article included them, but stuck them in at the end.
 
2009-12-13 10:17:54 AM
Mr_Master2: I think the reason the writer of the linked article didn't make a bigger deal over the other allegations is because they simply are not important.

I would've spent more time on them instead of being redundant with what the resort's PR people were saying. But, that's just my angle.
 
2009-12-13 10:18:13 AM
An Arizona Republic reporter named Don Bolles was murdered by being blown up in his car. His murderers were Arizona's mafia-backed high and mighty including a sitting US senator.

The Republic refused to run the articles published by a national team of investigative reporters that found out who ordered the murder and who carried it out.

Newspapers start wars. They reinforce such wondrous civilized behavior like racism and other forms of intolerance. Worst of all, they sustain class warfare.
 
2009-12-13 10:20:09 AM
If you read the CBS writer's bio, you'll understand my criticism. He sounds like the journalistic equivalent of a cocky artisanal sous chef.
 
2009-12-13 10:24:55 AM
thamike: Mr_Master2: I think the reason the writer of the linked article didn't make a bigger deal over the other allegations is because they simply are not important.

I would've spent more time on them instead of being redundant with what the resort's PR people were saying. But, that's just my angle.


I think that the very end of TFA should have been expanded on, where Berwyn's publisher said he was fired for a history of infractions.

These "infractions" might have nothing to do with the ski company, or could be BS. However, it is odd to see one side of the story get 90% of the article, and the newspaper's side only gets the last two sentences.
 
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