Others were resentful at being dragooned into 'mentoring' weaker pupils.


how very 'Atlas Shrugged'.

Bright youngsters told inspectors they were forced to ask for harder work. Others were resentful at being dragooned into 'mentoring' weaker pupils.

I don't entirely believe the first sentence, but I can relate to the second. "Group exercises" were really "times when Kat did a bunch of work while everyone else whined about not understanding and/or drooled on themselves."

platkat: "Group exercises" were really "times when Kat did a bunch of work while everyone else whined about not understanding and/or drooled on themselves."

Sounds like college.

platkat: I don't entirely believe the first sentence, but I can relate to the second. "Group exercises" were really "times when Kat did a bunch of work while everyone else whined about not understanding and/or drooled on themselves."

For me, it was "where pixie did all the work for the group so she didn't end up with a crappy grade because the others couldn't spell, read, or comprehend basic English."

Nothing frustrated me more than group projects when I was in school.

Last One Left: Look, you're British, so scale it down a bit, all right?

OK, I want to work in a shoe shop, and discover shoes that no one's ever seen before...right there on the left.

Headline:Nanny State The Republican Party admits that it has a policy of not encouraging bright students in school because it makes them think they're smarter than other people and that's "elitism"

FTFY, Submitter.

I was bored to tears in regular school. Everything tended to be geared toward the slower students.

University wasn't much better, though I could at least pick a more challenging curriculum.

Then, several years later, I decided to enroll in a data processing curriculum in a local vocational-technical school, just to brush up a bit. That place was fantastic. Everybody progressed at their own pace, and there was plenty of individual attention. If you finished a semester-long course in a month, you could move to another course, catch up with the class, and move on. It was great ;)

platkat: Bright youngsters told inspectors they were forced to ask for harder work. Others were resentful at being dragooned into 'mentoring' weaker pupils.

I don't entirely believe the first sentence, but I can relate to the second. "Group exercises" were really "times when Kat did a bunch of work while everyone else whined about not understanding and/or drooled on themselves."

Oh, did you only have friends when Science Project time came around too?

I'm smarter than that!

/dragooned

Harrison Bergeron unavailable for comment.

imbrial: Eddie in the 2nd post, that's why I love fark

I thought he was in the space time continuum, possibly with a large chesterfield sofa?

Fart

What exactly is gifted education supposed to have that other students don't likewise deserve?

John Dewey: What exactly is gifted education supposed to have that other students don't likewise deserve?

All the gifts. I loved the gifts.

InsaneJelloTroll: A more advanced curriculum so the "gifted" students actually learn something?

What do you mean by more advanced?

Fell In Love With a Chair: it's that they can't even keep up with the normal shiat

I'd say this is a problem of the goal of the current curricula in place which stress breadth over depth.

Fell In Love With a Chair: The gift to the smarter students is that they don't have to sit in utter boredom

I would say that a great many students suffer from boredom because they are not begin engaged in what they are learning because they are being told what to learn and how to learn it.

Fell In Love With a Chair: More difficult/challenging

What is more difficult? What is more challenging? Are we talking amount of material covered or are we talking depth of understanding? Or are there other factors you would consider that make curricula more difficult/challenging?

The world needs ditch diggers too...

Sun God: What do you mean by asking that question? Believe it or not, there are dumb people in world, and people who are smarter than those dumb people. There is such a thing as asking a stupid question.

I don't disagree with the idea that there are people who are more intelligent in different areas than other people. I don't necessarily disagree that there are people able to assimilate and utilize knowledge with greater facility than others either.

What I disagree with is the idea that gifted kids deserve a different educational experience than everyone else. What's good for gifted kids is also good for everyone else. I would simply expect more depth from gifted kids than I would from normal kids. Or I would expect them to be able to draw more novel correlations between ideas. Or I would expect them to present their ideas in more creative ways.

But as for the curriculum and the pedagogical thought processes behind it shouldn't be any different.

I think schools should just teach, and if kids can't keep up, they should be taught the same stuff again, while the kids who got it should move ahead and learn more. Seems pretty simple to me. Of course, the kids who don't pick stuff up right away have parents who won't accept that their children aren't the top of the heap...but hey, fark them.

Imagine watching TV shows you've seen before and don't like. Imagine doing it for years. At some point, if you have any brains, you'll tune out.

That_Dude: Are you being obtuse or are you trying to make a point?

I'm not obtuse. And with the question I'm not trying to make a point. I'm simply asking the question so I know where whoever is posting is coming from. If I mean to make a point then I make it quite clear that I'm making a point, as I do here:John Dewey: What I disagree with is the idea that gifted kids deserve a different educational experience than everyone else.