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2003-03-29 12:13:57 PM  

not "loadedrevolver".

See only what you want. You stupid, blind, excitable, mommy's-hand-holdin'-little-biatch.

Firstly, coont, you should not have picked me to try to pick apart with your overly verbose and rhetorical moronocy in quoting the mainstrem media's input regarding both this military action and the comparative decadence of American government and these "evil" administrations in China, Iraq, etc. You should not have picked me, because I truly despise the ignorance and arrogance that you flaunt as redeeming qualities.
You are a sycophant. You clearly have delved no deeper into the influences of this war than the FoxNews shows which support your juvenile and simplistic view of the political situation.
My statements are readily verifiable, and I would be happy to provide you with all the supportive evidence your big, smelly twat of a mind can digest, and then some. Just because you see smart things that people right doesn't give you any excuse to try to dissect it, especially in an unmitigated, disorganized quasi-political tantrum in a public forum.
It is not my fault that Mary Jane Rotten Crotch won't lay her stinky pussy-smell on your under-developed man-stick, so don't bleed your undersexed angst on me, motherfarker. You are a retard, a boob, a pussy, and an idiot. You should NOT have attacked my statements the way you did. I will now make you miserable and angry and (with any good luck) contribute to your obviously oncoming suicide attempt. I will assault you on every thread I see you, just to remind you what a sorry, obnoxious, unjustified little blob of nothing you are. I like to hurt people's feelings. It makes me feel powerful and manly.
You have a lot of tough talk and impressive phraseology, but I am willing to bet that you took that whole tirade off of a Rage Against the Machine website. It just doesn't sound original, and shows no individual conceptualization. Monkey see, monkey do.
I will not get into a tit-for-tat with you. You obviously are short on tit. I will make it clear that most European nations have not made any attempt to show any financial, physical, or political support for America. I don't know where you get your information from. One shiatty source? The one you like? Moron.
I also noticed that you were on all night last night, but waited until I was gone for a couple of hours before pissing through your keyboard at me about what a fool you think I am. Well, that's very brave, little snatch. You talk really tough to the people who have gone to sleep.Blah.
If your little diatribe was meant to enlighten me to the foolishness of my opinion, you failed. If your intent was to create an active, aggressive, and virtually undetectable and indefensible enemy, congratulations lil' Dubya, you did it!

I'm watching you, you little, miserable snatch. Mind yourself. Think you know it all, but all you know is shiat.
2003-03-29 12:14:40 PM  
Sorry if the rest of Farkistan got caught in the crossfire.
2003-03-29 12:30:37 PM  
Darn. Nothing worse than a typo in an otherwise rock-solid tirade: "LOADEDEVOLVER"

L-O-A-D-E-D-E-V-O-L-V-E-R. not "loadedrevolver".

See, that just makes my point. Why do people only read (or see or hear) what they want? Don't they know that it is dangerous to be misinformed?

And, to everyone saying "why argue on the internet, it's stupid", I say that that is just another way of saying "I don't understand this stuff, so I'll make fun of it".

That is why Americans are feared and hated. We only see or hear what we want to. We are an immature society.

Go ahead, you trained apes, and tell me how wrong I am...I know you want to.
2003-03-29 12:39:32 PM  
-nothing good will come from this 'war'.

"it is the doom of men that they forget."
2003-03-29 12:46:22 PM  
U.S. commanders have ordered a pause of between four to six days in a northwards push toward Baghdad

Crap like this has Patton rolling over in his grave.
2003-03-29 12:50:51 PM  
-i've called him (vovak) out several times stebain...

i'm 39 and i will debate anyone on anything.

he is a bush clone.

-end of line.

2003-03-29 12:57:15 PM  
-come out vovak...i'm waiting...
2003-03-29 01:02:08 PM  
"saddam hussein? more like so damn insane!"

"hey you're just fanning the flames of hatred!"

2003-03-29 01:04:27 PM  
TommyymmoT: Before you mouth off about the National Guard, you should know something. My husband is in the National Guard and was called up to go to the Gulf. Now he's in Iraq helping fight a war.

He is with the 1-293rd of the 76th enhanced infantry brigade. And if you knew anything you would know that this brigade and several others like it are just as well trained as your active duty personel. They receive federal funding and the same training as active duty soldiers. As a matter of fact, all, if not most of the National Guardsmen who are deployed to the Gulf right now are part of these enhanced infantry brigades.

The enhance infantry brigades was Washington's answer to save money on military spending. Basically, give them the training, funds and equipment as active duty soliders without having to pay them the active duty pay. My husband wouldn't be over there if they weren't trained up for possible combat. And, my husband Unit was deployed to the Gulf BEFORE most reservists were even called up.

Additionally, most National Guardsmen do join during peace time just as reservists and active duty soldiers do. Guardsmen are fully aware of the state of our military in regards to strength and retention. Because we are stretched so thin, we have National Guard troops going to places like Bonsia, Afganistan, Iraq, etc. These soldiers who join the National Guard now they have a greater chance of being actived than in years past. It's no secret to these guys that they have just as much a chance fighting in a war as their active duty counter parts.

My point is they aren't just "cannon fodder" as you so nicely put it. They have the training and know what their job entales. They knew this going into when they signed up.

Most people who are in the National Guard have servered on active duty. Some will put in their 4 to 8 years in and will switch to the National Guard when they return home. Don't assume the guys in the Guard are a bunch of cherries and wetbacks who don't know what they are getting into. My husband is previous active and servered in the Gulf War. Even he, 5 years ago, said that if we were to go to war with Iraq, he would most likely be called up to go. He was right.

What is sad is that the National Guard is supposed to be for the defense of the country, not called up to fight wars, per say. With the exception of enhanced infantry brigades like the one my husband is in, other National Guard units cannot be called up on Federal orders without the approval of the Governor of that state, mostly because of the status they have for protecting the homeland.
2003-03-29 01:04:35 PM  
Let's play "we surrender" with Irakis and when they arrive, just shoot at them ;)
They read "Art of war", why shouldn't we ?
2003-03-29 01:06:35 PM  
-if i do not see you fully representing your views on the new american candidate board, mr. vovak...i will consider you to not be a viable contender in 2004.

-theodore william bauer.
2003-03-29 01:18:35 PM  

Reuters- "In one frontline infantry unit, for instance, soldiers have had their rations cut to one meal packet a day from three."

Isn't each MRE filled with something like 1,000,000 constipating calories though? ;)
2003-03-29 01:19:48 PM  
"Right there, the Americans got their first glimpse of a REAL war machine."-zipbeep

Have you ever served? I have and during wartime. We Americans have done more for the world than any nation on earth. We will continue to do so, with out the help of the cowardly germans, french, and canadians.

Goto a VFW and ask what they think of the french. Ask the Vietnam Vets how they feel about the frogs who started a war and bailed on it.

You know, with all my buddies coming back from Vietnam and some of the guys I knew who fought in Korea, the only ones who use the term "Have you ever served?" are the ones who were in the motor pool and served about 100 miles from any action.

Most of the guys who saw action, either tell great stories about it or never talk about it.
2003-03-29 01:22:38 PM  
Zipbeep, Leisure Suit Grub does not need a combover, because Leisure Suit Grub is entirely too SEXIFIED for that.

Leisure Suit Grub is, in fact, so SEXIFIED that Leisure Suit Grub may recite the Thunderbird saying at any time because it makes the ladies swoon.

And lastly, Leisure Suit Grub may refer to himself in the 3rd person at will because Leisure Suit Grub is sufficiently SEXIFIED to do so without looking lame like Dieon Sanders or Bob Dole when he does it.

2003-03-29 01:24:40 PM  
Vrax: You are refering to the oatmeal butt plug bars. :)
2003-03-29 01:30:04 PM  

That's right. I forgot that only one part of the MRE equation was the "solidifying agent". heh
2003-03-29 01:30:09 PM are so damned right on...i can't even say any more.

2003-03-29 01:30:27 PM  
The war is not on hold or pause. There is a lot of fighting going on all over the place including air strikes and cruise missle strikes. Soldiers need to be re supplied, no news here. This is the furthest inland campaign any marine unit has attempted, they are not able to be as self sufficient as the army is and need to be re supplied.

There is a battle plan but as it evolves, planners and strategists must adapt and adjust with unforeseen elements
as well as higher than expected resistance.

I'm not even close to being worried about the outcome of the campaign, I would not be suprised if the ground battle for Dadsbag didn't start till the end of April.
2003-03-29 01:34:37 PM  
ZipBeep: Most of the guys who saw action, either tell great stories about it or never talk about it.

So very true. Actually, the number of soldiers who actually saw combat, enough to earn a combat patch, is a smaller number than most people think. Those are just the guys who made it out alive and back home. The others who saw combat never made it home.

My dad servered with the Big Red One and the Americal division in Vietnam. He saw combat. He has two silver stars and a bronze star. He doesn't talk about it much. I know how he got the bronze star, but he refuses to say how he got the other two. The story for the bronze is pretty heroic in my opinion. Makes me wonder what he did to receive a silver star. Twice.

He's pretty humble about his expeience and doesn't talk about it much. Since my husband is over in the war, I know he's had more time to reflect on his past in combat. I know he doesn't say much, but he understands. He's just a man of few fews when it comes to war.
2003-03-29 01:37:21 PM  
Vrax: I actually like the cheese spread stuff out of the MREs. But the crackers they give you with them are horrid. Taste like crumbly cardboard.

My husband likes taking the dried fruit with him caus eyou can eat it and then drink water. Fills you stomach up when you can have to eat on the run.

Also, if you can get your hands of the Tabasco sauce bottles form the MREs, that shiat makes killer chili if you use them. The sauce in those bottles is like bottom of the barrel stuff and is like 10x hotter than the stuff you buy int he store. :)
2003-03-29 01:38:51 PM  
The reasons likely include both getting reinforcements in place (to save more US lives) and to give Saddam a chance to react (moving troops, using chemicals) in what would likely be a self-defeating way.

I give kudos to Bush here for the media battering he knows he will take for this while in reality it will likely result in saving American and British lives.
2003-03-29 01:45:01 PM  
what I don't understand is how anyonw on this board can accept the argument "I have served in the armed forces and thus my opinions are somehow more informed." You're a soldier, great. You're an important part of a society. But I think it's clear to all that staring down the sight of a rifle for prolonged periods of time tend to give one a very narrow perspective. I love soldiers. They have helped shaped history. They kill and die for what their superiors believe to be right, and that does take some guts. But balls doth not a justification make.
2003-03-29 02:18:12 PM  
i've liked every iranian i've met.
2003-03-29 02:22:47 PM  

Best Fark post on the war with Iraq that I've seen yet, and I think I've made some pretty good ones myself. ;)

Gee, Loaded, Zednaught makes a HUGE post loaded with FACTS and instead of refuting them with logic and your own facts, you launch into an equally huge post full of total BS, personal attacks and threats of "I'm watching you, you little, miserable snatch." You're a walking cliche, pal. It's obvious that your argument is weak and you're compensating for it by calling your opponent names and filling your post with unnecessarily complex diction. It just makes you look foolish.

I have family in USAF SOFs, flying the AC-130 gunships, the most deadly thing in the sky, probably over Iraq right now, although we never know for sure, of course. Most of the men in my family have served as officers in the Air Force, Navy, Marines. I gew up listening to war stories, from my grandfather's internment in a Nazi death camp after his bomber was shot down over occupied France, to Korea, Vietnam and the first Gulf War. I know what the stakes are. I know what war does to people. I also know that for eight years we had an administration (Clinton) that wouldn't even READ the daily reports sent to him from the Pentagon concerning world affairs, possible threats, etc. THAT was a scary farking time for people working in intel in this nation who knew that stuff was happening and knew that their Commander in Chief was busy keeping things low-key and "in control"-- he had a second term and a legacy to worry about, after all.

Now we have a president who LEADS. Fark the polls. Leaders don't follow the polls. They state their purpose, and if they're true leaders, the polls will follow them. Look at Tony Blair. Weeks ago, British support for the war was 38%. But he sticks to his guns, lays it all on the line, says support me or I leave, and last week support in his country shot up 15 points to 53%.

Regime-change has been the official U.S. policy in Iraq since the Clintons. "The 1995 Iraq Liberation Act, passed by the U.S. Congress and signed by then-President Bill Clinton, made it a matter of law that the United States supports "regime change," or the ouster of Saddam."

But this is all a huge, greedy conspiracy by Bush's dad, right? Maybe the Clintons were really part of the "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" all along. If you reply to my post with anything but cold, hard facts, like for example, proof that the Iraqi Liberation Act doesn't REALLY exist, I won't respond. I'll leave it to someone else to deal with your conspiracy bullshiat that you probably copy/pasted from Democractic Underground anyway.
2003-03-29 02:25:31 PM  
SenoreVurm: Perhaps you are taking it the wrong way. Soliders do have a better perspective on some things than perhaps someone who's not in the military. It's not arrogant stance by any means.

I do see a lot of people who dog the military and it's soldier or what they do without the slightest clue about what is involved or why. It's a damn if you do, damn if you don't situation. Either the soldier takes the tongue lashing or they stand up voice a alternate view of the picture. Either way they're screwed. They remain silent, they have to live with people spouting off false information and opinions about what they do and how they relate to the situation. If they say anything giving their insight, it's people such as yourself they have to deal with the come backs and pot shots. Just because you are once a soldier doesn't mean you are always a soldier. Those who have served do have a generally better insight, in general, on issues regarding politics that involve war, etc., because they've seen both the civilian and soldier sides of the issue.

Just something to think about is all.
2003-03-29 02:27:54 PM  
This is bullshiat.

Why not just nuke Baghdad and bring our boys home? Why worry about their civilians? An American life is way mroe precious than any damn Muslim or Arabian life. Look at all the great things America has produced - technology, culture, art, modern civilization, etc. What has Arabia produced? Nothing but camel dung and goat milk. It is very logical from a military point of view to nuke them all and reduce our casualties.

We will be fair with it because we are a loving nation. All it will tkae is to send over some ministers afterwards and spread Christianity to the survivors, so that they know there is still hope in life, after the radiation has settled, that Jesus Christ the Messiah will be there for them and loves them as his children.

// This has been a paid advertisement for Fox News.
2003-03-29 02:40:13 PM  
Shower_in_my_socks & Zednaught: Well done. It's nice to have people who can post facts and have a good solid debate on an issue. I get so tired of people bashing Bush, the administration and the war without a good solid stance to debate with. I so would like to hear something more than just the "Bush is a Nazi" or "Bush is evil" or "This is about oil" out of one of these anti-war lemmings. I'm all for opposing opinions. I just would rather see someone who takes a stance against this war have an opinion that isn't based on some rumor spin mill or their emotions. I can respect any opinion on a matter, in agreeement or not, that is well thought out, constructed and not pulled out of their ass on the fly.
2003-03-29 03:08:40 PM  
War Ref: Time out, that's a foul
Army Dude: But....
War Ref: That's a 4-6 day penalty. I'm sorry, them's the rules
2003-03-29 03:11:32 PM  

-it is really all about collectivism and individualism.

they exist in many forms...many ideologies.

it just so happens that the "right" have 'it'= (collectivist tendancies) in mega abundance over the "left". they do exist in the left, however.

-somebody better copy this shiat down....whooooo !
2003-03-29 03:12:19 PM  
Hey Loadinurmouth, Zednought's points were dead on but you come back with absolutely nothing. God how in the hell did you survive childhood. Somehow, someway, somebody should have kicked some sense, at the very least common sense, in that pussball head of your's. I guess all of the Iraqi's living elsewhere that are able to speak out are all lying. They tell of Saddam's killings, making and hiding WMDs, and repression. Right now he kills his own people. It is right their on TV. Their finding protective suits. What evidence do you need? Oh, I forgot you guys are farking robots and no evidence would be sufficent for you to admit your ignorance.
2003-03-29 03:17:53 PM  
For these kinds of debates, I always have a mental filter in place. Whenever I see "no blood for oil", "Dubya is trying to finish his dads work" or "Our president was never elected" I can with 95% accuracy dismiss the rest of that poster's arguments.
2003-03-29 03:24:43 PM  
You know Tor that is an excellent point. I just do not understand the concept of the so called caring from the left. Leave this monster in power and let him continue to kill his own or stop him and lose some but at least put an end to this regime. Go to Human Rights Watch or whatever and read. Is the point of the anti war person that their lives are more valuable than the Iraqi citizen?
2003-03-29 03:26:35 PM  
-'on the fly' ha ha. phoxxy. you are so right and so witty.

2003-03-29 03:29:16 PM  
I am worried this is going to get really ugly in the nexy couple of weeks, as in, this is when the goodies are all going to come flying out of the closet, and people are going to start dying in waves. If Saddamn uncorks WOMD anywhere near Baghdad (and I think he will) what are the chances that he's going to poison the water supply, accidentally, intentionally, whatever. 4.5 million people. Geez.
2003-03-29 03:34:34 PM  
But Faethe according to all of our lefties on here there is no proof that he has WMD's or that would ever be involved in any harm to America. Really, he is not that bad. We just need to believe.
2003-03-29 03:35:15 PM  
this is for you two...tor and benJaxBchFL:

"I just do not understand the concept of the so called caring from the left."

-i know you two don't understand it.

and for you to understand it would take something you do not yet posess.

knowing the difference between collectivism and individualism.

if you would not be asking that question.


-and lose the hate already.
2003-03-29 03:38:25 PM  
Another problem;

If saddam fires a WMD then the area where it came from, and about 2 miles around that area, are going to be bombed into the stone age. Which is a valid military manuever(manuver?), BUT what if the WMD are being launched from a crowded city i.e. baghdad?
2003-03-29 03:47:22 PM  
Bauer, dude, check yourself into a hospital. This is not Communist USA and is never going to be. People work harder than others and want compensation that reflects that. People that do not accept that fact and have the benefit of not working as hard. Obviously that is a very crude explanation but it is reality. And that "lose the hate" comment, yeah, listen everyone, listen, listen to Bauer, he has something to say that will give us world peace. See that is real ignorance. I mean do another hit of acid and light some herbal essence.
2003-03-29 03:47:52 PM  

Wow. I guess empty-headed drivel and pop psychobabble constitute a rational argument

2003-03-29 03:48:41 PM  

Regime-change has been the official U.S. policy in Iraq since the Clintons. "The 1995 Iraq Liberation Act, passed by the U.S. Congress and signed by then-President Bill Clinton, made it a matter of law that the United States supports "regime change," or the ouster of Saddam."

The highlighted text is the problem with this. We are supposed to be undertaking this invasion under the questionable standing authority offered by UN RES678. Regime change is not mentioned or authorized in any UN resolutions to this date. Now, Saddam's regime should go. However, our problem has been that we are operating on highly subjective legal ground. The "Iraqi Liberation Act" is, once again, nothing more than US policy. This is why the UN is important. It offers a framework for actually creating a system of international law agreed upon by the member states. Sure, like any relatively new and complex venture, it needs work, but how anyone can dismiss this as not being critically important is far beyond me.
2003-03-29 03:49:53 PM  
Tor, Bauer is a product of too many drugs.
2003-03-29 03:51:44 PM  
You guys do this in every farking war post. Isn't it getting a little old? None of you is going to change anyone's mind in the slightest.

Speaking of old, isn't that picture getting old?

Could we retire that along with the "All your base" crap?
2003-03-29 03:54:50 PM  
For these kinds of debates, I always have a mental filter in place. Whenever I see "no blood for oil", "Dubya is trying to finish his dads work" or "Our president was never elected" I can with 95% accuracy dismiss the rest of that poster's arguments.

You know, I do the same thing every time I see "leftie" or "hippie" or read somebody relating Iraq to 9/11. I think that you can dismiss those posts with 99% accuracy.
2003-03-29 03:55:23 PM  
If the U.N. wants to be signifcant to the U.S. then it needs an army to back up it's policies.

/ Gross over-application of Occam's Razor.
2003-03-29 03:56:10 PM  

Yeah for all are starting to analyze the anti-war people - so I'll pitch in my two

I can accept when people say they don't want war because war sucks, why the fark should we be in charge of rescuing the rest of the world, or geez this is a lot of money, and more, because war does suck, unquestionably...

I can't accept the tin-foil hat Bush Bashers, the conspiracy theorist, or the blood for oil people. Especially the oil people. That position demands that everyone else throw out every other position immediatley, in order to focus on the fact that every single on of our elected officials is engaged in a mutual conspiracy that somehow has been kept from the media, and is flourishing all by itself with no public support.

But people do and say these things, because it requires energy to think, which is one of the reasons why people read USA today. It's a lot easier to be angry and stupid.
2003-03-29 03:56:37 PM  
Vrax, ok, argument stated without all this other nonsense. I think it would have been great if the UN put some teeth in their resolutions. It was apparent that this time around they knew that the US could no longer wait on them. Why? Twin Towers, 3000 dead. That is why we are where we are. US probably would still be allowing Saddam to continue. But it is different now. The line in the sand has been crossed. Personally I think waiting for the UN is a mistake. The future is UN but they will have to get their act together. We cannot wait for terror especially if we are the target of it.
2003-03-29 04:00:24 PM  

Good point. While I beleive Saddam has given some indirect assistance to Al-Qeda, saying that they were in some way responsible for 9/11 is using fuzzy logic to say the least.
2003-03-29 04:01:07 PM  
When I see Zip I dismiss all of it. Zip where are the so called destroyed WMDs? Without getting into anything else, where are they?
2003-03-29 04:04:30 PM  
Follow the news today. Iraq and Al-Qeda are working out details of control in Iraq right now. I guess they all of sudden decided to cover each other's back. Of course, this friendship just started. These guys have had some involvement over the years.
2003-03-29 04:05:21 PM  
"they" being Iraq/Saddam

(Jesus Christ, this is the most I've posted in months)
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